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Caught Between the CBers and the Cops

from Rick Kisséll, WB9GYT on August 15, 2004
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CAUGHT BETWEEN THE CBers AND THE COPS

I had just finished reading “Local Two Meter Repeater Becomes a Zoo” here on eham, when I noticed the Six Meter DX reflector showing east coast stations working Bermuda. So, I swing my beam due east, tune down to 50.099, and let out a “QRL? DE WB9GYT K”. I immediately hear “YES”, so tune down a few kHz, and again call “QRL?” several times.

Hearing nothing, I press the button on my keyer to send “CQ DX DE WB9GYT KN” a couple of times. After a few minutes, I hear “LID” and (from another station) “HI”. I continue CQing.

I again thought of the eHam article on 2m FM. Several of my fellow CW ops suggested retreating to CW, but even on CW, I’m finding self-appointed “cops” eager to tell others how to operate. The funny thing is, they never identify themselves.

Notice the very same thing on that thread: more than a few of those quickest to start bitching about CBisms on the ham bands refuse to sign their calls!

A few years ago, on 17m CW, after calling CQ DX for a few minutes, I heard “HI HI”. After sending “?”, I got an unsoliticted lecture on not sending CQ DX followed (at the end of my transmission) by “KN”. When I asked “WHY SHOULD I TAKE OPERATING ADVICE FROM SOMEONE WHO DOESN’T EVEN IDENTIFY HIMSELF?” the cop suddenly disappeared. I had similar experience (complete with foul on-the-air language from a local Extra class self-appointed cop) on 6m SSB.

KE4QDC, I can understand your frustration with CB-style operating on your repeater, but what N8MMZ, N8VUL, K9DI, KD4AC and others are saying is very true: When offering someone unsolicited advice, a polite tone of voice (very preferably used in private) and real discretion are required. That’s assuming the goal is to change behavior, not the pleasure of embarrassing someone on the air.

Take another look at that “Local Two Meter Repeater Becomes a Zoo” thread, this time noting how many spelling errors appear in the postings of the complainers! Now ask yourself how they would respond to having those spelling errors pointed out to them in public—yet that’s precisely what many of the complainers think we should do to those using CB slang on ham frequencies. Remember Mark Twain’s observation: “There’s nothing that so needs fixing as other people’s sins!”

The December, 1990 issue of QST carried yet another article on “Losing your Novice Accent.” If you feel that someone’s operating practices need improvement, if you’re sincerely trying to help them, but for some reason you can’t/won’t talk to them privately in a friendly way, then why not mail them a copy of that article?

If you can’t scrape up the courage to put your name and return address on the envelope, you could send it to them anonymously. Even that (though cowardly in my view) would be better than slamming someone on the air.

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Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by W8JI on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Rick,

It's a tough one isn't it?

People doing something silly or even something wrong don't like to be corrected, people correcting them don't like to give callsigns.

I think the whole problem goes back to the social changes we are going through. Years ago we used to be able to walk up to a student, a worker, or a peer and say "Hey, you can't do that like you are. You have to do it like this."

They'd generally say, "Ohh, OK. No problem" or explain why they thought the other way was OK.

In a minute or two, the issue would be resolved.

Today people's egos are so fragile that they can't take any form of critisism no matter how carefully put. The same learning curve that used to take two minutes now takes two months, and the entire burden of conveying how to do something correctly falls entirely on the person who knows how to do it right.

When I first got on the air, I had no idea how to operate. I did read the shortcuts, and so I did know the proper use of K KN AR SK and the rest, but I still had many areas where I was a LID. One day I checked into a conversation and said "I don't know who you all are but I just got a license and wanted to make a contact".

One station in the group pointed out in a very direct factual manner that it was rude and poor operating to break in without knowing who was in the conversation, especially when I didn't have anything to add.

Rather than whine and cry and write my mommy a letter asking for her support, I sucked it up and learned quickly that indeed, regardless of how I was told, I was wrong. I never called the guy a cop, I never blamed anyone but myself.

Try to help someone TODAY like that guy helped me today and more than half the people listening will put the blame on the guy trying to be helpful. It's the year 2000, and people today don't like to be told they have less than God-like perfection.

I know this suggestion isn't going to be popular, but what I have to say is this. Suck it up Rick. Don't waste space on E-Ham and other forums complaining about the guys who tipped you off about using bad protocol, even if they were not ID'ing.

It's faster and more efficient if we just shut up and learn, even if the critisism is offered in an inappropriate or "illegal" manner. I'd wager a good portion of the time if they had ID'ed, a long argument would have ensued instead of a brief exchange.

It really isn't that big a deal.

73 Tom
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KT0DD on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
As Tom / W8JI said, It's society in general today. I don't know how many times I've posted on here with what I thought was good basic comments, only to have my post attacked by the "Quote-masters" who behave as though they are still mentally stuck in junior high school debate class and never grew up.

With the acceptance of the liberal agenda in today's society, we are taught that it is more importamt not to say something for fear we may hurt someones feelings, than it is to tell the truth. The behavior of lying is insidiously re-inforced by this agenda.
(A lie of omission is still a lie!)

Anyway, just ignore them. You are not responsible for how someone else feels. It's their job to handle their own emotions in a healthy and responsible manner.
 
Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KY6R on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I was "admonished" this past Winter after being one of many calling a rare new one on 80M CW. This was one of those "once in a season" 80M path openings, so the pileup was building and the calling was getting pretty "fierce".

At first I thought "wow - 80M dx-ing has a different "culture" than the higher bands. Then I thought "no - I just happened to run into a crab".

Finally I decided to actually start really being a little more careful about how I call in a pileup and that this fellow's admonishment only served as the single most important reason to wrap up 80M DXCC and 5BDXCC.

With his "help" I made it. I took what seemed to be a lemon and made lemonade.
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KI9A on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Oh, great.
KT0DD wants to blame a political party for this.
NEWSFLASH! This started way before the 1990's. I saw it in the 1980's also.

Myself, at age 40, have a hard time dealing with idiots who want to push their views on me, but, I look at each moron first, then decide on how to handle it.

I have NEVER, in 27 years, been into an on the air aurgument. You guys have to understand the idiots are LOOKING for a fight. If you give them no fight, they get bored & leave. You can't handle matters on the air as you would face to face. Period.

If you flat-out don't pay attention to them, they will find something else to do. Don't even acknowlege them.

Liberal agenda...grow up, nothing ever stays the same.

73-Chuck KI9A
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KT0DD on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
And now we have a perfect example of the problem described in this topic, Thanks go to K9IA for giving us the example...
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KT0DD on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
OOPS... the above post should have read KI9A...Didn't have my glasses on. 73.
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by WIRELESS on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The arrogant and not so smart people on this earth can be easily identified; their mouth never stops running being critical of others.


 
Annoyances  
by KA4KOE on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
There was a cute saying I heard years ago in grammar school...went something like this...

"Those of you who think you know everything are annoying to those of us that do.."

I have been personally cussed out on 20m for politely asking a station to move when he was 2 KC from a special event operation.

Not only are there fragile (fra-ge-lay) egos out there, but there are those out there with a fragile grip on reality and sanity too. There are some really scary people out there.

P
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KI9A on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Hey genious, notice the difference between the INTERNET and the AIR?

I would NEVER have this discussion on the air. So, I am not the "perfect" example, as a matter of fact, I am the guy you relate yourself to as NOT BEING AFAID TO HURT SOMEONES FEELINGS, right? Hehe. Gotcha.

Looks like I touched a never, eh? It's sad when you need to blame society's woes on the so called "liberal" agenda, instead of accepting that nother ever stays the same. It isn't 1958 anymore, Ward Cleaver.

Right or wrong, society changes.

 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KI9A on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KT0DD, er, KD7EFQ says this in his post:

"With the acceptance of the liberal agenda in today's society, we are taught that it is more importamt not to say something for fear we may hurt someones feelings, than it is to tell the truth"

but gets on my butt for hurting his conservative leaning feelings? Hmm. Interesting.

I did indeed touch a nerve with him, so much so he was inclined to email me! I like it!

Chuck
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by G7HEU on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I think amateur radio is doomed. Just look at the posts above ( and this thread is very new).

So many people, so ready to fight and argue.

It sickens me.

Steve
M0HEU / G7HEU.
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KI9A on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Steve, I don't believe the hobby is doomed because of difference of opinions. The key is to keep ill will off of the airwaves. Keep it here--or keep it facce to face.

73-Chuck
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by OBSERVER11 on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
so why add to it?
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by G7HEU on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops Reply
by OBSERVER11 on August 15, 2004
so why add to it?


Who is that directed at?

What do you mean?

Who are you?



 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by WILLY on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

by W8JI on August 15, 2004

"...

I think the whole problem goes back to the social changes we are going through. "

Agreed.

Because fewer and fewer are willing to say,

...

" I never blamed anyone but myself. "


"Try to help someone TODAY like that guy helped me today and more than half the people listening will put the blame on the guy trying to be helpful. "

' What?!!? It can't be MY fault! So it MUST be YOUR fault!!! '


For some reason, they feel the need to defend, rather than listen and learn.
Taking the old adage that the best defense is a good offense to far, by applying in all cases, is not wise.
They don't seem to know this.


"It's the year 2000, and people today don't like to be told they have less than God-like perfection"

I tend to think the attitude comes from the way their parents treated them, which is so very different than from previous generations. Instead of understanding that children provide plenty of opportunities, through unacceptable behavior, to teach them - the parent responds by reinforcing the idea of perfection, by insisting that THEIR child COULDN'T have done anything wrong.
Viola` ! Creating another arrogant, non-listening, jerk.




 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by WILLY on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

by KI9A on August 15, 2004

"Hey genious, notice the difference between the INTERNET and the AIR?

I would NEVER have this discussion on the air. So, I am not the "perfect" example, as a matter of fact, I am the guy you relate yourself to as NOT BEING AFAID TO HURT SOMEONES FEELINGS, right? Hehe. Gotcha.

Looks like I touched a never, eh? It's sad when you need to blame society's woes on the so called "liberal" agenda, instead of accepting that nother ever stays the same. It isn't 1958 anymore, Ward Cleaver.

Right or wrong, society changes "


>g<
Reading along, coming down the list of posts, I almost replied to one, and am glad I didn't. Now I see your post here, in which you are replying to that particular post.

Your comments above, about his reply, hit the nail right on the head! I found it quite amusing.

Interestingly, I found that I agreed with much of KT0DD's original post, but not his subsequent comments about yours.

I whole heartedly support the concept that this is the internet, and not on-the-air. Even though I disagree with some of your points, I fully support your right to say them, here, not on-the-air.

It is good that eHam provides a place like this for discussions and points of view.





 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by WILLY on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

by G7HEU on August 15, 2004

"I think amateur radio is doomed. Just look at the posts above ( and this thread is very new). "

No.
The posts here are comments about amateur radio, not amateur radio.

As it was so clearly put previously, this is the internet, not amateur radio.



"So many people, so ready to fight and argue. "

There is some truth to this. However, the solution is to either ignore them, or go elsewhere. On-the-air this sort of conversation cannot be tolerated. That is because there is limited spectrum. Here - the internet - we can see that there is a simple solution. Just ignore posts you don't care for, go elsewhere, or possibly even create your own website. In other words, there is no limit to the available "spectrum" of options.

It takes some getting used to.


"It sickens me. "

Try to remember that there is - and should be - a different set of acceptable conversations, on the internet versus on-the-air. Each has it's own value.



 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KT0DD on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I guess this thread does represent society as a whole. As I look in my copy of the DSM IV, ( for those who don't know what a DSM IV is, it's the Bible / official manual for professional people in mental illness and Psychiatric disorders) About every illness & disorder from the neurotic to the charachter disordered is represented here on Eham. (Hey, I never claimed to be perfect!) We are all mentally ill to greater or lesser degree, so maybe we are doing some good for some future Psychiatrist and his thesis.

If I ever know of some college psych student looking for something to do a thesis on, the first thing I'm going to do is recommend he study E-HAM! LOL. 73.
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by K4JF on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This reminds me of the incident a few weeks ago when a guy got fighting angry because I told him he should slow down (below his 60+ mph) in a SCHOOL ZONE!!

Totally and completely in the wrong, but angry because somebody cares about the kids.
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by AE4X on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ignore 'em. Ignorance is bliss.
I've got to say though...I've never experienced anything like this. I hear all these stories of rudeness, etc. but I honestly have to say that I hear mostly good operating ...even on 2 meters around here.
Some of the monitoring cops do take themselves a little too seriously and need to get a life outside of radio. Just a hobby, folks!
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KB2YWZ on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Now, let me get this straight, if I say something and someone else "corrects" me, they are right and I am wrong. Just how do I know that they are right?
 
Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by N0MUD on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
One day on 10 meters I was trying to make a contact as was alot of other hams and I was using the last two letters of my call sign pronouncing it instead of UD I would use Uniform Delta and I would say that phrase several times trying to make contact. Well a very rude ham from some club in New Jersey chimed up with it is improper to use your last two letters of your call sign ie: Uniform Delta. I thanked him and continuned trying to make my contact and I never heard this cop ham telling off any of the other hams that they were wrong. Now I was taught by my elmer who was my Chief of Police. My Chief had me over to his home one day to work a contest, now without saying his call sign he is located in the book of Who's who and is well educated and well knowledgeably in Amateur Radio. Well he told me how to make contacts and I listened to him for a while and listened to other hams on the freq and they were all using the last two letters of the call sign and his last two letters was LF or as we said it on the freq Lima Fox, (yes I know Fox should be said Foxtrot) but we said Fox. Now I never ever heard anyone ever come up on freq and tell us we was using improper call signs.

Anyways I just changed freq's and continued to make my call out there to attempt to make contact with that far off contact and yes I continued to use the last two letters of my call sign: Uniform Delta and no one else ever came up on freq and told me I was wrong.

Even my friend here in Colorado Springs, CO who has been licensed since the 60's and an extra uses the last two letters of his call sign when he is trying to make a contact.

Now I am still a Tech Plus but I am studing the book to upgrade and I am still learning amateur radio and I know I will never know everything there is to know but someday I sure do hope to come close. I've been in the communication field since 1965 when I joined the US Navy and became a Navy Radioman and I am glad I did because I learned the code in the Navy radioman class A school.

If someone tells me I am wrong and in the same breath they tell me how to correct myself then I take it as a learning experiance but if they tell me I am wrong, make it a chewing out and make no suggestions on how to fix the problem then I take it with a grain of salt.

I am not a perfect ham and will never try to be one but I am always learning how to be a ham every day and if someone teaches me something new then I consider that day to be a good day. There is a right way and a wrong way to teach someone. It takes a good person to have the knowledge to be able to determine which way is right and wrong.

Hey have a great day. 73's Mike, N0mud
 
Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by G0GQK on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The big problem is that everyone believes they have a right to do anything they wish, despite the consequences. Do politicians ever apologise for wasting money. Do architects ever accept they design poor buildings ? Prisons are full of people who honestly believe they are innocent of committing crimes. Millions of car drivers break speed laws in Britain every day,despite heavy fines, they use phones while driving, despite heavy fines.

Most people believe they are always right, and you, mate, are always wrong. Get it !

 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by NL7W on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The first two commenters summed it up well: suck it up and move on. Further discussion of this topic seems pointless. 73, and see you on the air.
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KT0DD on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I just can't resist...

>Liberal agenda...grow up, nothing ever stays the same.

73-Chuck KI9A

For some reason the use of this term threatens you somehow...

Are you a member of Greenpeace? Sierra Club? Or better yet...

The Lambda or Rainbow amateur radio society? Hehe,
now I gotchya!
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by WB2WIK on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
WB9GYT, I guess all I can say (or write) is, "Why in the world would you follow a 'CQ' by 'KN?'" That makes zero sense to me. KN means that only one station should answer you. Isn't the point of a CQ to get as many answers as possible?

Before you complain about other operators' habits, you might want to inspect your own. I would fall over laughing if I heard someone call CQ followed by KN, but I probably wouldn't answer them.

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KI9A on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KD7EFQ (aka KT0DD) writes:

"The Lambda or Rainbow amateur radio society? Hehe,
now I gotchya! "

Nope, I belong to neither. But your true facist, racist, homo-phob colors where displayed but that piece! Nice job, Rush.

What exactaly do you have against fellow Hams that are of different colors, ect., Mr. M. Todd?

M.Todd,(what happened to your first name anyway??) go back & read your 1st post & explain to me how it is OK for you to speak your mind, but if I do, you respond with cheap shots? Hmmm.
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KT0DD on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Seems like you are the one who needs to grow up now. you have the choice to walk away and you do not take it. You only continue to discredit yourself and make yourself continue to look more foolish by running other people down. Continue it if you like. As for me its QRZ.com time.
 
Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by EXPRO on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Well I gotta say after looking at all the ham forums on the net and hearing going ons on the air its very plain to see that Ham radio is the leader for frultcakes, and nuts. Ya ask me a whole bunch of y'all are crazier than a shithouse rat. I sure as hell don't need a DSW or whatever the nuthouse bible is called to determine this. Christsakes get a life its only a past time and hobby. No wonder instead of getting quality coming into the hobby we have rif-raf you dudes are inviting the whole wagon train in.
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KT0DD on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
To KI9A
Ok Chuckie...
Cheap shot #1 from KI9A : Liberal agenda...grow up, nothing ever stays the same.

I guess we know who started with the "Cheap Shots" now don't we? If you didn't like the opinion, you didn't have to respond in the first place. As Ann Landers said often: Mind Your Own Business.

As far as ethnic groups, I have no problems, except with certain Arabic persuasions since Sept. 11.

On the Gay issue, well there's Leviticus, Romans and several other Bible chapters that explain why I have problem with it i believe it is wrong. But you've probably never cracked open a Bible. I'm finished now with your Childish game. Go find someone else to pick on.
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by WB9GYT on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
WB2WIK, I didn't send CQ followed by KN. If you bother to read my original post, you'll see I was calling CQ DX during an intercontinental 6m opening, and I didn't want replies from U.S. stations. I often wonder whether people bothering reading before responding.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank those that e-mailed me privately.

I wonder what the record is (measured in either time or posts) for an eham thread to degenerate into completely irrelevant political comments or gay-baiting. Upon returning to ham radio after an absence of 20 years, I was puzzled at how few young people had come into the hobby in recent decades, and why. That's no longer a mystery to me.

73,

Rick WB9GYT
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by W6TH on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

WB9GYT

Today I am your Elmer and want to inform you that should you call CQ and sign a KN, I also will not call you at any time.

Why? A simple sign that should be known.

The "KN" was and is used when working a DX station and turning it over to the DX indicates that he is still working the DX and none shall breakin and call or interfere with his present contact.

Even when calling CQ it is poor training to send the "AR" and then "K". Just a "K" is good enough as the "K" means an invitation to transmit.

Read a ARRL Amateur Handbook and you can become a A1 operator overnight.

73, W6TH
.:
 
Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by W4UDX on August 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
RUFF.... RUFF...., RUFF, RUFF, RUFF!

bark, bark, grrrrrr...

GRRRUFF, RUFF!

bark, BARK! BARK!

GRRRRRRR, RUFF!
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KD5DFM on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
With the acceptance of the liberal agenda in today's society

here we go again , of course the concervitives never do wrong huh , the world is made up by many people my friend , even some different that ours , and yes rush limbo is a blowhard fatso and liddy is a crook and a thief and olly knows all the best palces in iraq casue he was there in 82 selling toe missels and m16's to saddam and osama ;-) wake up and vote for the economy
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KD5DFM on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ignore 'em. Ignorance is bliss.
I've got to say though...I've never experienced

liveing is easy with eyes closed , misunderstanding all you see , more liberal thinking ;-P
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KD5DFM on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Now, let me get this straight, if I say something and someone else "corrects" me, they are right and I am wrong. Just how do I know that they are right?

A;) you'd be on the left like those crazy communist communes .
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KD5DFM on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"So many people, so ready to fight and argue. "


lets kiss and make up ;-)
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KD5DFM on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
>For some reason the use of this term threatens you >somehow...Are you a member of Greenpeace? Sierra >Club? Or better yet...The Lambda or Rainbow amateur >radio society? Hehe,now I gotchya!

so its OK to be prejudice tword other armatures in these organizations , or cause they are black or cause they are different than you I'm am neither of the above but a better person than you gotcha kd5dfm ;-) BTW FCC says everyone has a right on the radio and the American government say everyone has the same rights not to have your hatred .

 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KD5DFM on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Seems like you are the one who needs to grow up now. you have the choice to walk away and you do not take it

but its ok for you kt0dd ;-( . well the world acording to garp . and hey i have nothing my self against more arab dudes some of who are great amatures like the king of jordian once was . a few bad apples dont spoil a whole bunch . america is for all , and as long as you have those opinions you cheapen all that were lost in 911 . but maybe you lie to read nursery rhymes like your buddy the commander in chief who went awol in the national gaurd while others werre getting medals. and hey rush they dont just give those medals away dream on .
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by K6CS on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
To W6TH: I applaude you for your comments & look forward to a QSL someday. YOU sir, is what amature radio is all about. Email me sometime as I would enjoy an intelligent conversation without the code-nocode debate. I would be pleased to have you as an "Elmer." 73, Charlie KE6OUD
 
RE: CQ followed by KN  
by X-WB1AUW on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
“Hearing nothing, I press the button on my keyer to send “CQ DX DE WB9GYT KN” a couple of times.”
“A few years ago….I got an unsolicited lecture on not sending CQ DX followed (at the end of my transmission) by “KN”.”

I didn’t look up the use for KN. As a Novice, I learned it was to indicate you only wanted to hear from the station you indicated, excluding anyone that heard your signal except for the station you were in QSO with, or the station you had called.

So, it doesn’t seem appropriate to call CQ followed by KN.


“….I asked “WHY SHOULD I TAKE OPERATING ADVICE FROM SOMEONE WHO DOESN’T EVEN IDENTIFY HIMSELF?”

One time, I had difficulty copying a station’s call, that called me. At the end of a brief Q, the station gave me a signal report, 73, his call, and then disappeared, an op sent to me that the station had a 1X4 call, and then sent the call to me. I then saw I the reason why I got the response I did when I had queried the station if his call had ended as “RAS” or ‘RAD”, his call ended RASD

I had been so used to DX calls ending with either 2 or 3 letters, that I didn't believe what I had copied after the 3rd letter. I simply sent TU to the unidentified station; he never did ID.

If I had coped an attitude (about the other ham not sending his call), I would have had to get into a BIG pile-up to work S0RASD on that band again (first time they had been on in decades) (Yes, I did copy the call correctly, but tried to turn it into a 1X3 call)..

So, what you ran into was another ham using his time to help you, unlike the ones who sent LID and Hi Hi, to become a better ham.

I hear some DX stations indicate they don’t want USA calling, hear a USA op call them, and then hear someone send LID, or Hi HI. I understand why, especially when the USA op persists in calling, but don’t think the name calling and/or Hi helps. Sometimes some op sends no USA, or EU only (to the offending caller). They don’t send their call; I assume they don’t want to waste time sending their call as it doesn’t add useful information. But, coping an attitude because the op doesn’t send his call, doesn’t make sense to me.

I’ve never been on 6 meters, but it is my understanding there are many new (novice) ops on 6 (and 2 and 10 meters). You might consider that the strange actions you hear are simply from new/novice ops. With the old Novice ticket, and Novice sub bands, at least we expected, and knew the strange behavior was from “dumb-novices” (be kind to them, they are new and still learning to become better hams).

When I first got to use SSB, as a General (I skipped Tech because it didn’t get me more HF privileges), I got yelled at by a few cranky hams. I listened to what they said, and turned my VFO.
I still remember some op yelling at me on 10 meters that I should know if my SB220 was class A or AB on SSB!!! Some op yelled at me for signing /AG—I shouldn't use my new privileges until my new ticket arrived (took 6-8 weeks then).

I still remember some op yelling at 3y0c for handing out a few CW Qs in the 20 meter SSB portion of the band. I laughed; don’t think my vox tripped. It wouldn’t have mattered to me if the yeller had IDed.

Have FUN
Bob
 
RE: Cb'ers & Cops.  
by KT0DD on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

SHEESH...It Never stops...Reading comprehension is severely lacking in society as evidenced on here. In my original statement, I never directed anything to anyone in particular, Yet how quickly everyone comes out of the woodwork to tell me I'm wrong. Thank you. You just re-inforce my original statement by your actions.

This whole topic was about unwanted, unsolicited, corrections By the band cops. Now we must beware of the "Know it all" E-ham cops too.


 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by NE1RI on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
And since when did "liberal" become a dirty-word?
And further, what does this have to do with amateur radio?
73 de NE1RI
James
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RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops
Reply by KT0DD on August 15, 2004

Mail this to a friend!
I just can't resist...

>Liberal agenda...grow up, nothing ever stays the same.

73-Chuck KI9A

For some reason the use of this term threatens you somehow...

Are you a member of Greenpeace? Sierra Club? Or better yet...

The Lambda or Rainbow amateur radio society? Hehe,
now I gotchya!
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by WB2WIK on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I did read the article, and stand by my previous statement: One doesn't send "KN" at the end of a CQ.

In almost 40 years of actively operating mostly CW, I've never even heard this. A "KN" is a directed invitation to transmit precluding break-in stations.

Other than this, I have no issues with the article and hope it stimulates thought.

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by W6TH on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.

Call me anything you want, but please don't call me late for dinner.

Taking it on the chin is a sign of maturity.

Big change in life from the year 1900 till now the year 2004.

If you are the timid type, you are not made for the military.

Hey, mommy won't be there forever, go out and get a job.

P.S. Bad practice to call CQ DX, unless you can handle the pile up. Like calling CQ Contest over and over, doesn't make sense for 15 minutes and no call back.

Time marches on.
.:
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by N8VCL on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
N0MUD, review the subelement E2 group C section of the Element 4 question pool. "Everybody's doing it" doesn't make a behavior the right behavior.

fwiw
Scott
 
Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by W1CAR on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ok.. I'm a Control Operator on a seriously busy 2 meter repeater in the Northern Virginia area.

If I hear someone breaking FCC rules on frequency, I say something to them...and I don't care what my tone is or how they handle it. I'm responsible for their actions on our repeater, and I have zero tolerance for any amateur operator breaking the rules.

Unfortunately, despite many things being "against the rules," being a bad operator and displaying CB style etiquitte or the lack thereof is not illegal. When someone drops a "10-4" quite a bit on the air, or says "destinated" (which isn't a word) I tend to take them aside and speak to them either face to face, or via email. I never try to humiliate anyone over the air...that only makes quick enemies. There are many other things that happen that remind me of CBer style crap, and I just let it go, but if it starts to show new hams that it's ok to do it, then it becomes a problem and needs to be stopped in its tracks.

-Chad W1CAR
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by WIRELESS on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
And eHam continues to store this useless crap on their servers. eHam management must not read the junk on their own site very often.
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by W6TH on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!


It is very hard to elmer the new hams and have been trying without much luck.

Here is an exmple:

I have been having a sked with a ham who has returned back to ham radio. I now have his receiving speed up to 30 wpm. I have been trying for over six months to have him use "BCK" for back, but no he still insists on "BK" for back. When I hear "BK" I am ready grabbing my key ready to send, so have to catch myself. Another is he turns it over to me by saying "BK" to you or BTU, when all he has to say is "AR" and I will know he has ended his turn and to turn it over to me.

We ELMERS do try, but hang our heads in shame.

It is a fast moving world, yet I am able to keep up with it.

I find myself a total failure after 66 years of CW only whereby I cannot teach. Often go to bed at night and wonder where I have failed.

.:
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by K1KID on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
To Frank from Dallas!

You are obviously of the liberal persuasion. I can tell that you have attended liberal schools by your command of our native language. You do your arguments no favor with your poor english, run-on sentences, punctuation and spelling errors, and lack of continuity of thought.

At first I thought you were someone attempting to be a comedian. But sadly, I now believe you were trying to be serious. Too bad the "no child left behind" philosophy didn't come soon enough for your benifit.

I didn't reference your call in order to minimize your embarrasment.
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by WIRELESS on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
w6th,

Are you for real? I wouldn't loose 1 ms of sleep over what others can't seem to learn or do. That's their problem not yours. Ease up a little, you will live longer.
 
CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by K4RAF on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
CB'ing on ham bands has become a "sport" & it isn't CB'ers doing it! Where is the "sport" of prerecording everything but the other guys callsigns?

My opinion is that these endless contests have given a breeding ground to this kind of rudeness. There is no skill in using voice keyers to contest while ignoring frequencies are already in use.

Now contests go till 8PM on Sunday, are spread all over the band & attracts some of the rudest operators I have ever witnessed in my 22 years as a ham.

As witnessed by many this weekend, the "ARRL MD/DC 'QSO Party'" brought on some very anxious moments for those engaged in regular QSO's on 40 & 75 meters.

Contests really need to be:

- Limited to a defined band window (say upper 50KHz of 40M, 75KHz on 75M, etc.) so as not to totally tear up everyone else's use of the remaining band. Give us some refuge!

- Should NOT start on Friday night or Saturday morning & end on Sunday at 8PM. Limits of ~24 hours or so to minimize the disruption of the majority trying to use the band normally & not in the contest. Ending at 8PM Sunday is a very selfish intent & clearly shows no consideration or regard.

- Mandate 3KHz seperation, or use of preset channels within that window because these morons move within 300Hz & crank up their voice keyers calling "CQ Contest..." without listening for more than 3.24 nanoseconds, IF they even bother at all to ask if the frequency is in use...

Amateur radio is supposed to be about quality friendships & technical excellence, not a score tally. What actual real value do contests offer?

NONE, IMHO...

Thank you ARRL for breeding a decline in civility on the air. Seems ARRL contests promote no consideration for anyone other than the contesters.

I'll be damned if I will yield my enjoyment to any voice keyer multiplier monkeys.
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by K2WH on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Uhh..... What was the question?

K2WH
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by W6TH on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!


W4RAF, You are not alone.

What actual real value do contests offer?

QSL cards for the Honer Roll and all contests are centered around the ARRL. These contests are for keeping the ARRL in business as to WAS, WAC, DXCC, Blaa, Blaa.
You know, all this kid stuff to note in the QST mags.

Hey! Can't be bad if the ARRL says its good. Can you imagine that it will take one whole weekend to make WAC and as much as two weeks to make WAS. You can make DXCC all bands in about six months, even without cheating. Now that is something.

There you go; although not to my liking either, but as the saying goes: Better keep the ARRL as it is better than not to have representation.

I have for many years enjoyed the ARRL magazine publications.

.:
 
Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by WA2JJH on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
beer!
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by WB2WIK on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
W6TH, what contests offer is fun for the participants. I couldn't care less about awards; contesting is a sport, like baseball or tennis, deep sea fishing or whatever. It's an adrenaline rush, and those who don't get it probably never will.

Contesting's "contributions" to the rest of the ham radio community include:

-Providing new stuff for others (non-contesters) to work; even if the contesters aren't award-chasers, many hams are and if not for contesters the "others" would be waiting an awfully long time to work new stuff.

-Providing what are usually the biggest signals on the bands, so even teeny, tiny pip-squeak stations have somebody to work. I've seen many "minimalist" stations who can call CQ daily 'til the cows come home and raise absolutely nobody, but during a contest, they'll make 100 contacts and it's like they just invented the wheel.

-Providing great operating practice and experience for all participants. I'd chose any one of the top 500 contesters in the world to handle my emergency traffic if I had any, over *any* Emcomm guy if he's not a contester. No comparison in who can get the job done faster, more efficiently, with fewer fills.

-Making the bands sound full enough to justify continued amateur radio allocations. Propagation can be lousy, with R3 level radio blackouts, but a contest comes along and the bands are full of signals, anyway. Five minutes before the contest, there was dead silence. Five seconds into the contest, there are no clear frequencies. I would only want my representatives in Congress or any FCC commissioners to listen to the bands during contest weekends.

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by W6TH on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!


WB2WIK Steve,

A point is missing and I believe the point is the continuance, keep in existance and prolong contests week after week, seems there is no let up.

Yes, the operators are at the very best and I was not talking about the operators. I can't imagine why you brought the subject of the DX operators as nothing was mentioned previously.

Would it not be better to have more activity of DX operators during the week plus weekends than to take a whole weekend as a contest. Such as prior to the WARC bands?

It was that way and just as much fun, maybe more so.

W6TH

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RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by WB2WIK on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
W6TH, where did I mention anything about DX or DX operators? You lost me with that one.

I just think contests are part of ham radio heritage. Contesting began, in America anyway, in the 1930s, and it's been a blossoming part of the hobby ever since. I enjoy them when I choose to participate, and can easily ignore them when I don't.

Yes, I do use the WARC bands, and VHF bands, as well as alternative modes. There isn't any contest that populates both phone and CW on all bands at once.

I see you are retired from SSME program...was that at Rocketdyne here in Canoga Park?

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by W6TH on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!


WB2WIK,

One more note of information and that is to get back to the search and seize method of working dx. That made the bands full 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Now is 24 hours on weekend.

Yes, the Space Shuttle Main Engines (SSME) at Rocketdyne in Canoga Park. Retired 19 years now and another thing of fame, been ham for 66 years.

73 Steve from W6TH. Also, if you go back east, give my regards to old Broadway and remember me to Herald Square.

W6TH

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RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by W2ENY on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I personally would value power output limitations myself. The sport of contesting with multi-kilowatts is about the same as paying $10k to go on a canned hunt. No pun intended on $10k for the new Icom. I'd like to see more practical (power) levels used to let the overcrowding subside. I am a contester that usually operates QRP or 100W level, I've done pretty well over the years as a sport. But the multi-K approach with over and over voice keyed messages kind of borders on the edge of what is a 'sport'.

In a canned hunt, where is the sport in shooting an animal when two people are holding it down. Try QRP, even in a canned hunt, it would be like shooting a bow and arrow.

Riley sends letters for playing taped clips, why is contesting diffent? Cause it's sponsored?

While on the subject of voice clips, how about implementing a max number of "retries" when holding a frequency? How about 25? After 25, QSY? If 25 isn't enuf, where is the agreement? 2500? After 2500, are you still competing?

Ask yourself, what's the goal, holding a frequency, winning or sport?

Regards,
Bob
 
RE: Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by W1BAK on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
When you hide behind an anonymous ID so that you can make crass comments that you wouldn't use in front of your Mom, I classify you as a coward, a trouble-maker and (Let me quote my Mom) "a pimple on the ass of progress".
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by K4RAF on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"Making the bands sound full enough to justify continued amateur radio allocations."

What I hear wouldn't justify anything but FCC NAL violation letters for broadcasting, intentional interference & outright jamming...

Full of 'it' maybe...

You are kidding right?
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by W6TH on August 16, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

CB'ers and Cops. Some Humor



A Highway Patrolman pulled a car over and told the driver that because
he had been wearing his seat belt, he had just won $5,000 in the
statewide safety competition.

"What are you going to do with the money?" asked the policeman.

"Well, I guess I'm going to get a driver's license," he answered.

"Oh, don't listen to him," yelled a woman in the passenger seat. "He's a
smart aleck when he's drunk."

This woke up the guy in the back-seat, who took one look at the cop and
moaned," I knew we wouldn't get far in a stolen car."

At that moment, there was a knock from the trunk and a voice said, in
Spanish, "Are we over the border yet?"

.
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by NN6EE on August 17, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Don't worry WIK, W6TH seems to be a doughty ol'fool who says everybody else is WRONG except himself and that he is a "Radio-God"/Radio-Cop!!!

In my 42 years as a Ham I've NEVER run into somelike that who is as ARROGANT as he portrays himself!!!

The "TH's" of the world are those on 75 phone who should go to bed at a earlier hour so their bodies can re-adjust to (hopefully) a new day!!!

Jim/ee :-)))
 
Its that time again....  
by KA4KOE on August 17, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Too much bickering going on. You guys need to join me for a good stout here on River Street in Savannah, Georgia.
 
RE: Its that time again....  
by N8CPA on August 18, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Throw in a bucket of oysters and you got a deal! I love Savannah!
 
RE: Its that time again....  
by K4JSR on August 18, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"Uhh..... What was the question?
K2WH"

The question is, "were they dudes?".

The answer after I recover from KOE's
beer-bust in Savannah. :-p

73, (hic!) Cal K4JSR
Beergut, Ga.
 
Its a deal CPA  
by KA4KOE on August 18, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
You show up here on a weekend, gimme some advance notice, and its a deal. I'll invite Cal JSR and Mike JJH too.

And if its warm, we'll head to Tybee. Bring your wife/girlfriend/passing fancy(fanny).

Promise.

PHILIP
 
RE: Its a deal CPA  
by WILLY on August 18, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
by W2ENY on August 16, 2004

"I personally would value power output limitations myself. The sport of contesting with multi-kilowatts is about the same as paying $10k to go on a canned hunt. No pun intended on $10k for the new Icom. I'd like to see more practical (power) levels used to let the overcrowding subside. I am a contester that usually operates QRP or 100W level, I've done pretty well over the years as a sport. But the multi-K approach with over and over voice keyed messages kind of borders on the edge of what is a 'sport'. "

You demean your point when you make an assumptive statement without backing it up.
Why are we to assume that there stations using far in excess of the legal limit?
Is this a proven fact? And if so, why are they not cited?


"In a canned hunt, where is the sport in shooting an animal when two people are holding it down. Try QRP, even in a canned hunt, it would be like shooting a bow and arrow. ... "

This is a poor analogy.
First, you've asked where is the sport in something in which there is no sport. That doesn't prove a point.
It is circular.

Next, there is a contradiction of terms. Hunting is implied by the use of the word hunt. But then something else is described in the same sentence - shooting an animal when it is held down. Perhaps you have never been hunting. Let me assure you that what that sentence describes is not hunting. Hunting IS a sport, enjoyed by many.
Please don't bring up hunting unless you are familiar with it. Maybe you'd like to call whatever it is you are talking about a 'canned shooting' or something.
 
RE: sportsman  
by AE6IP on August 18, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
> Hunting IS a sport, enjoyed by many.

Hunting is many things. Sport's not one of them. While there are plenty of rules, there's no real competition.

You want competition? Hunt Kodiak with a Bowie knife.

 
RE: sportsman  
by WILLY on August 18, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
by AE6IP on August 18, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

"
> Hunting IS a sport, enjoyed by many.

Hunting is many things. Sport's not one of them. "

Of course it is.


"While there are plenty of rules, there's no real competition. "

Then you obviously are not familiar with it.
Unless you are trying to compare it to competition against another human being. That is a completely different sort of competition.


"You want competition? "

Against other people? Not really. I find it boring.
I'd sooner compete against myself.


"Hunt Kodiak with a Bowie knife"

That would not be competition. That would be stupid.
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by W6TH on August 18, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

Welcome to EHAM boy.


NN6EE
NN6EE was not found in the QRZ.com database.



Another loser.




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RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by W6TH on August 18, 2004 Mail this to a friend!





Vanity License - NN6EE - DAVIS, JAMES H




My but you catch on fast. Your nasty attitude will get you no-where.



.:



 
RE: Its that time again....  
by W6TH on August 18, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
by KA4KOE on August 17, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Too much bickering going on. You guys need to join me for a good stout here on River Street in Savannah, Georgia.



You buying?



.:
 
RE: Its that time again....  
by W6TH on August 18, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Sorry, but he is ligit as you can read.


DAVIS, JAMES H, NN6EE (Advanced)
3174 SAN RAMON RD
CONCORD, CA 94519
Previous call sign: W6IBD
Licensee ID: L00280213
FRN: 0003827664
Issue Date: Jul 03, 2001
Expire Date: Jul 03, 2011
Date of last Change: Jul 03, 2001 (License Issued)


.:
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by KI9A on August 18, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K4RAF---

Will all NON contesters agree to stay off of the "contest" part of the bands, if there is indeed a non contest zone? Including skeds, DXers, nets & 2 old farts talking about the latest surgery they had? Just wondering..but, I'd be willing to be you just want contesters to be limited...am I wrong?
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by W6TH on August 18, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
jim NN6EE


Jim, this is:
MY OATH TO YOU...
When you are sad..... I will dry your tears.
When you are scared..... I will comfort your fears.
When you are confused..... I will help you cope.
And when you are lost..... And can't see the light.
I shall be your beacon..... Shining ever so bright.
This is my oath..... I pledge till the end.
Why you may ask?..... Because you're my friend.


73, W6TH.
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by KA4KOE on August 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
W6TH:

Absolutely. You show up, I buy you a beer.
 
Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by KE4ZHN on August 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The best way to handle an encounter with a malcontent, is to simply ignore them. No amount of rebuttal will ever make things better...it will only degrade from there. Same goes for jammers...the more you say about them or to them, the longer they will stay around just because your giving them the satisfaction/attention they so desperatly seek.

As for cb type people on 2 mtrs. The wonderful thing about 2 mtrs. is, its a huge band with 4 mhz of room to operate in. Use the VFO, forget the "good buddies" on the repeaters and use a different one, or try simplex. People nowadays have the "I can do no wrong" attitude so if you choose to try to elmer them in a friendly manner, youll either get a person who will listen, or one who will tell you where to go...and what to do when you get there.

Better to grow a thick skin and let it roll off your back. Its just not worth being frustrated because some self appointed frequency cop is trying to make a fool out of you. Funny thing you mentioned in your article about the cops not identifying. They try to preach so called good amateur practice...yet flagrantly break the rules themselves by not identifying.
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by W6TH on August 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KA4KOE

My favorite stout with the thingamajig that makes it look like right out of the keg. I'll take that offer, thanks.


KE4ZHN

You have that in tune and I found for every enemy comes along a friend. No losers.

People have a right to do what they want. I may not approve of what they are doing, but is really none of my business.

I don't believe folks should have to pay for a marriage license, but the law says someone is in need of that money.



Each of us for our own responsibility and our right to do so. As long as it does not interfere with others.

Many don't know the difference of free speech and the truth. When it is the truth, its twisted to freedom of speech.

73 Fellow hams. W6TH

 
Beer  
by KA4KOE on August 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/08/18/bear.beer.reut/index.html

Cal showed me this.
 
RE: Beer  
by W6TH on August 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!


Reminds me of when I was 21. Irish bear and thought he was at the pub.
.:
 
Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by N9NWO on August 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
We are seeing an increase in vigilantism across the country. It is in response to those who basically are so self centered that they violate everyone's rights.

There was a case in Ohio were there was peeping Tom who was caught outside a 5 year old girl's windown with his pants down. The mother and friends beat him then "raped" him using tree branch.

We had a situation in my area where one driver became enraged over the bad driving of another. He forced the bad driver off the road and then just would not back off (road rage is vigilantism). The bad driver was so threatened that he pulled a weapon to defend himself and wound up killing the "vigilante".

I recently had a case were my call was very close to what a fellow ham (female) call was. Several hams on the repeater, in mob mentality, basically pushed her into confronting me. She accused me of "stealing" her call. No amount of reasoning was of any use. Her mind was made up, she was judge, jury and executioner.

The funny thing was that back in the early '80s I was issued a license (under the Call KA9UHU) which I had not earned (failed the exam). I immediately contacted the FCC and returned the license. I have been involved in ham radio since 1959 and know my responsibilities. But it does anger me to be treated such by an vigilante with a self rightous attitude!!!

Greg Dean
N9NWO/AAV5ZO/DA4NWO

 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by K4RAF on August 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"I'd be willing to bet you just want contesters to be limited...am I wrong?"

Yes, indeed you are wrong.

Restricting "normal use" is not needed, we just need some refuge from the unbridled chaos & that is what most contests are...
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by KI9A on August 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K4RAF-

There are only a couple of contests each year that load the bands up. These are:

1) November SS. 30 hours long.
2) WPX SSB. 48 hours long.
3) CQWW SSB. 48 hours long.
4) Field Day. 24 hours long.
5) ARRL DX SSB. 48 hours.

These, indeed, load the bands up. They are very popular. There are others that happen most weekends, but, the participation is way smaller. Some are band exclusive (160 or 10).

This adds up to 198 hours per YEAR, out of 8,760 total hours per year, or just over 2% of the total time you can operate. In other words, you have 8562 hours per yaer to operate. And that is not enough??

I also earned my ticket. Operating contests is what I enjoy. It isn't illegal. I will continue to do it.

73,
Chuck
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by W6TH on August 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!


KI9A

Now Chuck, explain to me what is the purpose of these contests?

Surely it isn't an education.

Surely we all do not get knowledge.

Just what do you get out of it? Your name in QST or are you out for fame and fortune.

Say agaain: What is the real purpose

.: W6TH
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by KI9A on August 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
W6TH:

Well, what is your purpose in ham radio?? Is there real purpose in talking about your latest ache,pain, or surgery? Oh...what is the purpose of transmitting PG (or even R ) rated pictures via SSTV on 14.230??

Is there "purpose" in chasing DX? Is there "purpose" in the 75 meter nightly nets?

I've been a ham since I was 12 years old, some 26 years ago. I have taught license classes, been a VE for over 10 years. I sure as heck don't recall anything about "purpose" in the rulebook. Can you please direct me to that part??

Now, if you want to talk about how contesting increases operator skills as far as making contacts in a quick fashion, & recieving the reports accuratly, such as during a severe WX net, or how contesting has produced many technical advances ( yeah, the Icom 7800 was really designed for ragchewers!), we can piss and moan back and forth for weeks.

When I contest, I ALWAYS ask if the freq is in use. I ALWAYS stay away from known net freqs, & I ALWAYS move if someone tells me a sked, or net is about to start (as long as they are decent about it), and that usually nets me a few contacts in the log for my being s decent ham. Our real purpose in this hobby is to have FUN, whether it is contests, ragchewing, CW,SSB, PSK, RTTY, SSTV, or smoke signals. this should not be you vs me, hell man, this is US. WE are hams.

I noticed you didn't even sign your name...

What is your "purpose"?

Chuck
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by KI9A on August 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
W6TH - Vito-
I just copied this from your QRZ.com profile:

"Operated the fixed radio station JGTA in New Delhi, India. I was also a radio operator for the 5307th infantry task force in Burma, known as Gallahad, also Merrill's Marauder's. I was also with the 14th, 22nd and 50th Chinese infantry division's in the China, Burma, India theater (CBI) during WW2. Two battlestars and one campaign.

For Those That Fought For It, Freedom Has A Taste And A Meaning, The Protected Will Never Know."

Very impressive, I very much respect the last line.

You WW2 vets need to know my generation was born some 20 years after the war, & many,many of us are greatful for the sacrifices you guys made back then.

Whether you hate contests, & I love them, it is a VERY small squabble in the grand scheme of life---when compared to the early 1940's in the part of the world you were in.

73- Chuck KI9A
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by W6TH on August 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KI9A
Chuck

Well contests don't do anything for me and I do not have a dislike for contest. I get more knowledge from EHAM than I do from ham radio.

So your real purpose in this hobby is to have FUN. Well now you answered my question, fun it is.

I usually don't sign my name too often as I believe my call tells who I am.

Thanks for your reply Chuck.

.: 73, Vito W6TH
 
Caught Between the CBers and the Cops  
by HAMDUDE on August 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This thread reminds me of 14.313
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by K4RAF on August 20, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"what is the purpose of transmitting PG (or even R ) rated pictures via SSTV on 14.230??"

To make OFs redfaced over "the children" & all that. Amazing how FAX speed radio pictures are corrupting the X-Box generation...

"I also earned my ticket. Operating contests is what I enjoy. It isn't illegal. I will continue to do it."

Never said it should be outlawed, just "contained" so those who are not in the contest are not impeded from enjoying themselves as well. That is what is missing, respect for others' enjoyment. It is amazing how many weekends are consumed with trying to maintain a conversation on a mere 3KHz without having to use a steering wheel to enforce a "no-fly zone"...
 
RE: CB'er Contesting is a Breeding Ground  
by N5NW on August 25, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Why I contest
by N5NW/8

1. I contest to find my station's weaknesses. Largely I do domestic contests, like NAQP. Helps me improve my station. It is a time when stations are active from all over, on four or five weekends a year (for me). I can find holes in my antenna setup, improve my signal (I run barefoot), learn propogation at different times of day to different areas, etc. Learning propagation is like the captain of a sailing ship learning to read the wind by looking at the sea. My primary interest is emergency communications, and contesting helps me improve my station's emergency communications ability, and my endurance at the microphone/key/computer.

2. Fun. Definitely the Fun.

3. CW skill. It helps those of us without a whole lot of time (I do work full time, and have a young family on top) keep our proficiency up. Pre-contester me was good up to about 17 wpm. Now comfortable at 25 wpm.

4. People actually want a contact. On non-contest weekends (roughly 46 weekends a year for me) I can sit around a band and call CQ for hours without an answer. Mode doesn't matter. On a contest, if I get more than 10 minutes without a reply, I'm off to find more contacts in a different place. Sure, the contacts are quick -- but quick contacts are better than no contacts.

5. Casual "rag-chew" nets sort of bore me. I really don't see the value of investing several thousand dollars in equipment so I can talk to the same four or five guys every night. I have unlimited local and long distance telephone at $60.00 per month for that. At $60 per month, or $720 per year, that's 15 years of service for what I've invested in my station, not counting the power to run it. Echolink is cheaper than that ...

Contesting isn't everyone's cup of tea. Neither is homebrew, or DXing, or ragchewing, or satelite, or QRP, or (fill in the blank). Thankfully, there is room for all of it in our service.

de N5NW (Marty)
Bellbrook, Ohio

 
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