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Why is 30 Meters Ignored?

Bill Osler (K0RGR) on August 29, 2004
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As a fan of digital modes, I have always wondered why the 30-meter band isn't covered with amateur digital QSOs from one end to the other.

Ok, there's no voice on this band. So?

Ok, there's a power limit on 30 meters. When was the last time you ran over 100 watts on PSK-31?

The propagation on this band is a cross between 20 and 40 meters. In the daytime, the skip is a bit longer than 40 so you can work most of the U.S.. At night, it is usually open for DX.

There is practically no QRM. There is much less thunderstorm static than on 40 or 80. And 30 is usually open all night, all year. The antennas are 20 feet shorter than for 40.

So why is it only used by a handful of CW folks and far fewer digital hams?

Why do PSKers beat their brains out fighting the South American SSB stations on 40 when 10.142.15(USB) is wide open? Why aren't the Pactor guys all over this band? What about those wide digital modes that you would never use on a crowded 40-meter band, like MT63?

I really don't get it.

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Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KA2DDX on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I don't know if it is ignored but I am surprised by the little activity there at times, on 30 meters. In all fairness, there are times when 30m is very active with cw and digital. A number of years ago, the ARRL was involved in a propagation study which concluded, among other things, that 10mhz was an extremely good band for propagation. At that time we did not have 30m. Personally, it's usually the first band I check when I get on the air. I've worked Antarctica a number of times on this band. Have also worked a number of new countries. I just have a dipole and run 100 watts. VK's and ZL's can often be heard on 30m early in the morning (7est). It's a great band. Like the man said, 100 watts goes a long ways, even at this point in the sunspot cycle. Try it.....
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by AE1X on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I think there are a number of reasons.

1.) There are many people that have older rigs that do not have 30mtrs. (i.e. I have a TT 574 (Digital Century 21)).

2.) Most amateurs today work phone modes. (There is plenty of DX to work on Phone.)

3.) No contesting is allowed.

4.) Digital modes are normally used on the excepted calling frequencies.

5.) Most amateurs are not actually equipped to run digital modes. (I'm not).

Please understand, this is only a sampling of the potential answers, should a poll be taken.

I would suggest that the author begin working 30mtrs and talking it up within his group. Use word of mouth to attract attention.

I work 30mtrs CW, but my power output is limited to ~125mW, ofcourse I'm a QRPp operator, from my Pixie2. My best DX to date has been with GA using Pixie.

Ken


 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by K4TBN on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
No matter how many times I call CQ on this band, I never get a response. Maybe it's time to change microphones.
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by K2WH on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I too have often wondered why 30 meters is a wasteland. Many times I have gone there trying to dig up some digital signals and have only heard some lone CW stuff. Where is the PSK, RTTY etc. I'll bet at night you could work the world on this band.

K2WH
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by WA2JJH on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Your right 30M is chopped liver.! I guess hams will stick with the PRE-WARC bands....80,40,20, (15 used to be hot!) and 10M.

The only times I have used the WARC bands, was when a QSO was being swamped with QRM and QSB.

I often QSY from 20M to 30M to finish a QSO.
Only half the time it works for me. DX forget it.

Many hams like myself started on the old cheap 20-80M tube rigs. The 3 bands provided enough action for me.

I remember when 15M cw and SSB, was almost as hot as 20M.

I remember the DX craze on 10M TOO. Everybody I knew had a moded. 11M rig for 10M.

We are creatures of habit. Many started with a 5 band 10-80M rig (yeasu FT-101, Kenwood TS-520)

Maybe we should give NCT's one band of HF phone.
200kc'S OF 15M, 17M, AND 30m Watch those bands fill up!

Use it or Mr Powell wil sell off the band
You would think 30m would be a DX DELIGHT!
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by WI4CW on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
There isn't a thing in the world wrong with 30m. There are nights when 30m flat rocks with activity. I don't really have a fancy setup either - with regard to being able to receive....

(Yes - 30m is one of my fav places to hang out and try to keep my copy speed (whatever that might be - LOL) up to snuff....

take care all.
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KB6NU on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I'm a CW guy, and while there's often a good amount of CW activity on 30m, a lot of times it's as quiet as a mouse. I almost never hear digital signals, though, and like K0RGR I wonder why that is. As he points out, it's a great band for both DX and domestic QSOs.

At one point, I was thinking about starting a 30-30 club, similar to the 10-10 Club to stimulate some activity on 30m. Whatsa, OMs?
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by WS4Y on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
30 meters is a joy to operate. In my log are
many 30 meter cw qsos. I hang out around 10110.
Now the county hunters are using 10114 so that
has added some activity. Just yesterday morning
at 12:36Z worked JJ2LPV. JA land coming through
like next door. An easy qso with 100 watts and a
dipole. I like contests but I don't get in very
many of them so when there is a contest going on
30 meters (and the other WARC bands) are a haven.
NO QRO, No SSB makes 30 meters unique. It is not
all bad that 30 meters is not all jammed up with
signals. I have never had a problem finding a qso
on 30 so I don't see a problem here. Too bad our
60 meter allocation could not have been under the
same terms.
73, Bill WS4Y
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by WA3SLN on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I think this is the greatest ham band ever but as they
say I'm from the old school. Got on the air in 1964 with a homebrew xmtr and a surplus receiver. Love CW
so 30 was made to order for me. I make over 1000 QSO's
a year on 30, have worked all the states and nearly 200 countries all with a TenTec Scout and a Inverted Vee so you see you don't have to spend big bucks to enjoy ham radio. I wouldn't mind seeing SSB on 30 as long as they had a separate allocation. I'm sure if the USA had a SSB allocation up the band most of the
DX SSB would move up also then the CW portion would be
a lot quieter during hours when the skip is long. Tks for reading and hope to CU on 30. Mike WA3SLN
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by NF6E on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I guess you could say 30m is ignored, but saying it's ignored implies that folks go out of there way not to operate there. I'm not sure that's the case.

There are fewer commercially available base antennas that cover 30m, which could be part of it. Sure, a 1/4 wave dipole would be under 30’ long and work OK, but wires aren't for everyone. One of the prerequisites of my last HF antenna purchase was 30m coverage (I bought a GAP Titan). And as was mentioned in another post, many older rigs in use today do not have 30m as part of the package.

No need to add phone to the band to increase activity. Just leave it as is please. It's a dandy little hunk of 100 KHz; like a knothole in a backyard fence that you sometimes peek through; often times seeing nothing, other times catching a glimpse of the unexpected.

See you on 30m!
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by K8FLY on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Well i would hardly say 30 mtrs is ignored , i have used this band quite often & find it to be an excellent band . it is loaded with dx lots of times at night , is an excellant place to work cw with contesting going on . yes it has its times when its busy & also slow , but so do the other bands , lots of times due to probagation being open to one area or another all bands have this. some may lack a proper antenna to get the full effect of this band . some sit & just listen , if you dont speak up , no one will know your there ha! i cant speak much on digital part of this , but when packet , amtor , rtty were popular there was plenty of activity . i used to do a lot of hf packet & used this band often . so if you feel its ignored , hang around for a while i think you will change your mind . listen to 40 mtrs on a week day , often times its dead as well . most are off working .
just one mans opinion Bill k8fly
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KZ1X on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Most people don't have effective, resonant antennas for this band. Then, only 1/2 of HF-active hams use CW or other digital modes. So right away, you're down to less than 1/4 of the eligible HF-active ham population on this band.

Me? I'm equipped for all digital modes, and I have a rotating, resonant dipole for 30m at 86 feet up!

So it's not really being ignored, so to speak. I'd say it's more like the satellites, kind of a semi-esoteric band/mode, or like 60 meters, an odd duck.
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KY6R on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
30 meters is my favorite band - have worked 161 entities in a little over a year using an 88' ladder line fed doublet up 50' - with a tuner of course. (See www.cebik.com for a discussion on "why 88'?".

It opens up earlier than 40M in the evening and stays open longer in the morning. It is one of the best bands to work during the grey line. Before I got into DX-ing I used 30M as my favorite QRP band - with my little SST transceiver.
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by ND5Y on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
One time on one of the digi mode email reflectors I told
everybody to stay on 20m and QRM eachother and stay off
of 30, 17 and 12 meters so I could have those bands all
to myself. It worked!

Actually I have worked quite a bit of PSK31, MFSK16,
MT63 and even Hellschreiber between 10135 - 10140 but
it seems like activity has decreased in the past 2 years
or so.

30m is a great band. Sometimes when the higher bands are
dead here 30m will be wide open. I will hear packet and
APRS stations from all over the country, not to mention
WWV and the Navy RTTY station. I never understood why
more people don't use 30, 17 and 12 meters for digital
modes.

Tom ND5Y
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by K1OU on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Does WB2WIK/6 work 30 meters?
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by N4QA on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I agree with those who have cited reasons dealing with rigs, antennas, schedules.
In my case, after 39 years of hamming, I finally have a decent QRP rig (IC-703..and, yes I had to replace the driver FET) and the AH-4 tuner connected to an 80-meters-long piece of cheap electric-fencewire suspended, at a height of 5 meters, between a mast and a locust tree. Can now make good contacts 160-10 meters just by pushing a few buttons.
Anyway, I'm glad that 30 meters is not so clogged as 40 often is.
It's nice to open up the receiver filters once in a while and have a nice leisurely chat with someone.
BTW, I was pretty much a CW-only man for about 35 years, but now also enjoy RTTY and PSK31 as well.
I even use that microphone thingy once in a blue moon :0)
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by K2ROK on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I know I am in the minority but I love to use the forgotten bands like 12 meters and 220 mHz. As soon as I get a wire up for 30 I will definately be there too.

There will be times when 10 meters is packed yet 12 and even 15 has nary a signal.
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by VE7ALQ on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I love using CW on 30 meters, and so do my friends. Even with my compromise ButterNut HF6V vertical and a 100 watt ICOM IC-706mkiig, I have no trouble working Cuba (from Vancouver), New Zealand, etc. These people were not worked by a "CQ DX" but just by a simple "CQ". Wish more people were there on CW. I am on 10.109 mHz and feel pretty lonely at times. If we don't use it, we'll lose it. (Same is true of my Morse skills)
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KT3K on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I use 30 meters all the time on cw. I have noticed digital traffic between 10.130 and 10.150, but normally not below 10.130.

It's not an ignored band though, and it's nice to have a place to go on cw where contesters don't take over the band. Although, I've noticed contesters on 30 who probably don't realize it's not appropriate there.

73
John
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by NI0C on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The 30m band is not a "wasteland," nor is it being ignored. It is in daily use by those of us who appreciate it as a 50 KHz sliver in one of the choicest parts of the HF spectrum. It's a good place to compete for DX because of the 200 watt power limit (here in the US.) There's lots of good QRP activity and friendly chats going on there too.

 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by N9AS on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KY6R

Thank you for ideas on 10 mhz ants.

Simpson 260

Art N9AS
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by W3TW on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Who says??? I called CQ the other nite on CW and had a nice qso with NA8M!!!

Call CQ and see what happens....
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by WN2A on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
30 Meters is hardly ignored! It is easily a favorite CW band, open to somewhere almost always. It could use the activity at the high end, especially with digital modes, but I called CQ (once) up around 10.140 and got an instant QSO just minutes ago.
Rig?? 15 watts CW 100% HB
QST Dec 1986 pg 19
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KG4MUW on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I just finished a QSO on 30M this morning, got another cup, and decided to check my email and see how much SPAM I have today. A quick look at this web site, and I discovered the band I was just working was being "ignored".

NI0C is absolutely correct. 30M is "not a wasteland". But I can't say that someone is not ignoring it. You may not get an answer if you call CQ once or twice. Sometimes it takes a little persistence. And you might wish to prepare to answer some of the less frequented modes. Weekday mornings are good, and after 2300Z. I find there is activity most anytime on weekends.

10.137 is a good place to find PSK or the less used modes, and low enough to get away from most of the packet and pactor stations that will crank up on top of your QSO. You will find HELL, THROB, MT63, MFSK, PSK63, and even CCW.

Hope to hear you on 30M.

73
Ken
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KY6R on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I forgot to mention - the Force-12 Sigma 40XK is also superb on 40 and 30 - especially for DX during the winter. So if you can't throw wire up 50' high, this is your "small / restricted" backyard solution. Put a steel pipe in a 5 gallon bucket of concrete and then slide the 40XK into that cemented "sleeve". Portable and removeable - for those who must sneak an antenna out in the yard at night when neighbors can't see it - hi hi.

I think 30M is the best band to try to achieve QRP WAS and QRP DXCC. You could work on WAS during the day and DXCC during the evening. You would be productive on 30M year round, and for all but maybe the hours in around noon time.
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by N0AH on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
It should be strictly a CW band. If you've ever been on a DX'pedition, you would understand. To those of us who truely appreciate the band, digital is just more QRM we have to dance around in making world wide contacts the way it should be done.
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by K1TN on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I remember, vaguely, when the three "WARC" bands were approved, in the mid-1970s. They were opened for use later, in stages. The ARRL was the driving force. The three new bands, at 10, 18, and 24 MHz, were designated "contest free." There was politics behind this, just to get us the new bands. Now, more than 20 years have passed, and a "30 Meter Contest" would be great fun. It would attact a lot of interest and activity.

I have worked more than 300 DXCC countries each on 40, 20, 15, and 10 meters (and 250 on 80 meters), and worked more than 100 on 30, 17, and 12 meters 10 years ago. The propagation possibilities on 30 Meters are fascinating. There's nothing like a weekend contest to reveal them. And there is nothing in the regulations to prevent a contest which, as Ed Tilton once wrote, is just "normal hamming speeded up."

Digital and phone operators need not apply. This would be CW only.

-- Jim Cain, K1TN/9

 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by WA0ZZG on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I believe 30m is an excellant narrow-mode band.
There is quite a bit of CW activity, but most of it
is above my speed. My CW ability is 'in between'.
I can do around 10-13 WPM. This is more than most
beginners, but less than most that use CW here.
I wish I had the time to devote to increasing my
speed and join in, but unfortunately do not. Those of
you that enjoy a casual chat on this band, back your
keyer speed down a little. You might snare some of
up less experienced. See you on the band.
Dave...
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by WIRELESS on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
30 meters isn't a good band to get to like since there are limitations that are not on other bands. Why work 30 and then have to change bands just to change activity because its not allowed on 30? 20 meters is more of a universal band for dx with none of the limits imposed on 30 and 40/75 works for local. In other words, why bother in the first place with 30?
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by W2RS on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I can't comment on the digital modes, since I'm not set up for them (maybe that's a comment in and of itself :-) ), but I've been active on 30-meter CW since the day it opened.

It's still my favorite HF band. A barefoot transceiver (in my case, an FT-102/FV-102DM at 150 W) and a wire antenna are all I need to work just about anyone I can hear. My 30-year-old amp very much appreciates the rest!

As with any HF band, activity varies with propagation, but when 30 is open for DX it can really hop. In the late afternoon and early evening local time, when I'm most often on, the lower 10-15 kHz are typically full of Europeans, often with stations from the Middle East, Africa and South America adding interest. When a rare DX station comes on, hundreds are often heard calling.

A bit higher in frequency, QRP stations are often heard, and most are in QSO -- a good sign!

As the sunspot cycle continues downward, activity will migrate downward from 20 CW. And, as several have already commented, it's a great place to go on weekends, if you're not in the contest-of-the-week and want a good hide-out.

CU on 30!

73,

Ray
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by N4KZ on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I don't know why 30m has never caught on with the digital folks. Over the years, I have made a few random RTTY and Pactor contacts on 30. And every time I had such a QSO, the other guy and I always wondered why more guys didn't work digital on 30m.

As for CW, I have worked a ton of DX over the years on 30m. The band rocks!

73, Dave, N4KZ
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by W4JFR on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Bill,
Shhh...articles like this will attract more and more operators to this wonderful, well-kept secret of a band. Why don't we just let sleeping dogs lie?

Seriously, you make some excellent points regarding the advantages of the 30M band -- all of the reasons why I enjoy it.
Jim, W4JFR
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KT0DD on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I Ignore 30M as I have absolutely no interest in CW, and there's no SSB allowed, so It's a wasted band to me. We need to get 60 meters opened up to VFO's and at least 200 watts. 73.
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by VE7ALQ on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Trouble with 20 meters (CW) is that the band is swamped full of California Kilowatts, who come in 20 over S9 here in Vancouver, Canada. Sure I find lots of activity, mostly U.S. and Californian on 20, but they usually aren't interested in a Rag Chew.

I prefer 30 meters (10.109 mHz) and 40 meters (7.040 mHz) to do my Rag Chewing on. I also collect quite a bit of DX if I stick to the bottom 5 kilohertz of these bands. I am even buying a CR-282 TXCO for my ICOM IC-706mkiig so that I can work right up to the band edge.

Below 40 meters is not possible, due to the efficiency (or lack thereof) on my ButterNut HF6V vertical. Heck I have the 160 meter resonator, and the HF6V resonates just fine on 160 - it just doesn't get out :(
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by WB2WIK on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I like 30m and use it pretty often. I don't find it particularly "empty," and it gets downright crowded during CW contest weekends, when non-contesting refugees flock to it!

30m's a great place to pick up new DX entities. I rarely have to call anyone twice, no matter where or how weak they are. It's a rare band in that many foreign stations are permitted to run more power than American hams!

WB2WIK/6

 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by G0GQK on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I've always thought of 30 metres as a good band, but as it has been suggested, it is not used often enough,in Europe it is very quiet. It has been suggested that this is perhaps because many do not have 30 metres in the rig, but this cannot be true when one considers the vast numbers of rigs sold since 1988, in the USA as well as Europe.

I used to use Pactor on this band when I could manage to get a reply. The operating conditions on 40 metres were horrendous, but it seems everybody liked the QRM, rather than the vast open spaces of 30 metres. The Australians and the French use the band to chat on, and they always have since it first opened. People have asked if it could be used for telephony rather than have it as wasted space, but the answer has always been, for CW only
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KB9YGD on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Nice Article Bill.Well I Agree With Most Of The other Posts Here.I Like 30 Meters Because It Is Not So Crowded As 20 Is.I Think 30 Is The Best Band For DX On CW For Many Reason`s.I Use 30 Meters For CW,PSK & RTTY With A 1/2 Wave Dipole & Like The Band A Lot.73,All ``THE REAL HAM ``
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by K0RS on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"30m is wasteland..."

Hmmm, is this another urban legend, like "Ham radio is dying?" Or maybe rather than an urban legend, it can become a self-fulfilling prophesy, given enough repetition.

I love guys who never operate 30 and never listen there, but have an opinion of what the band is or isn't good for. Reminds of the guys who can't copy CW pontificating about the death of CW.

I've got a couple of hundred countries (sorry, can't bring myself to call them 'entities') worked on 30. That would be difficult if there wasn't any activity on tne band. My friend just put up a simple loop for 30 and has worked about 65 countries in just a couple of weeks.

30 is open more than 20, especially as the sunspot cycle declines. It has interesting propagation paths, including nice long path openings. It isn't as subject to severe QRN as 40... nor the BCI or congestion. It doesn't shut down in daylight like lower frequencies.

30 has something for everyone (except of course for phone guys, heh heh). It's a great DX band, it's a refuge for QRP'ers, and a super ragchew band. County hunters are active constantly. If you can't work someone on 30 you better check your antenna.
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by K7NNG on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I for one find that it is a great band. I never have problems making contact. I spend a great deal of time on CW and sometimes its pretty much crowded, especially at night....so what's the deal???
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by N3ZKP on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KT0DD:

<< We need to get 60 meters opened up to VFO's and at least 200 watts. >>

You are living in a dream world. The 60m allocation, as has been said SO many times but some people seem to have a hard time understanding plain english, was granted to hams by NTIA, the agency that controls government allocations.

We MUST operate by NTIA's rules: 50w ERP, specific channels, USB only and specific frequency stability. We don't play their game, they take away the ball, the bat AND the playing field. It's that simple.

This is NOT going to change, so quit dreaming about it.
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by REMOVED_EX_W4RQ on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I like 30 meters a lot myself. I am a CW type & like to chase DX too. I use 100W & either a vertical or Carolina Windom & seem to het out just fine on 30. If 30M is open, I'm in there, working whatever I can hear (and that can hear my 100 watts & vertical -- HI!), including the DXPeditions as well as just casual DX QSO's.

I do a little contesting too. The fact that 30M is a no-contest band is fine with me. Personally I like it that 30 is not quite so crowded & one can enjoy a ragchew QSO more easily. Of course, when a major DXPedition shows up on 30, you could hardly call it "under-utilized" !!
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by AB3BK on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I don't know if you all are listening at the wrong time or what. 30m is open at night like 40 and 80. I work CW stations all over Europe on any given night, even in the summer.

Dave
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KT4XF on August 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I don't think 30 is ignored, it just hasn't been discovered yet! It's a paradise.. .. .. no SSB, no QRO, no stupid contests, no B/C carriers.. .. .. QSX 10.106
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KT0DD on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ouote:>
We MUST operate by NTIA's rules: 50w ERP, specific channels, USB only and specific frequency stability. We don't play their game, they take away the ball, the bat AND the playing field. It's that simple.

This is NOT going to change, so quit dreaming about it.


Hmmm... Last I heard, we were told to check back on it in a few years to see "How we behaved", and they would possibly reconsider, which is what the ARRL is going to do. They originally were going to give us bigger slice anyway. Of course, as usual on here, you're one of those thats probably a much bigger "Know it all" than I'll ever be, and you're right 110% of time. So I'm not worthy of my opinion. Ok Yep, I'm Dreaming, Thats all.

I wish the old CW curmudgeons would die off at a faster rate, so us SSB ops could get a Bandwidth appropriate allocation, instead of the sardine can we're in now.
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by NI0C on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"I wish the old CW curmudgeons would die off at a faster rate, so us SSB ops could get a Bandwidth appropriate allocation, instead of the sardine can we're in now."

What a tacky comment!

 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KA8VIT on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I don't know why the digitals are not there, but CW is alive and well on 30 meters.

As for no contests or voice.... even better !

As for power limitations... I never run more than 100 watts anyway, no need really.

72/73,

Bill KA8VIT


 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by N3ZKP on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<< Hmmm... Last I heard, we were told to check back on it in a few years to see "How we behaved", and they would possibly reconsider, which is what the ARRL is going to do. They originally were going to give us bigger slice anyway. Of course, as usual on here, you're one of those thats probably a much bigger "Know it all" than I'll ever be, and you're right 110% of time. So I'm not worthy of my opinion. Ok Yep, I'm Dreaming, Thats all. >>

Don't like the facts - attack the messenger. Great way to operate. But, then that's IS the way you operate. :)

NTIA was never going to give us a "bigger slice". The ARRL asked for more from the FCC and assumed we would get it. The allocations awere/are not the FCC's to authorise without NTIA permission and NTIA spoke. NTIA never even suggested that we would get more. What we were told was if we "behaved" ourselves we might get a few more allocations. Nothing else is going to change.

Dream all you want, but reality is much more satisfying. :)

Lon
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by N3ZKP on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KT0DD:

<< I wish the old CW curmudgeons would die off at a faster rate, so us SSB ops could get a Bandwidth appropriate allocation, instead of the sardine can we're in now. >>

Nice. You wish death on people so you can have a few more KCs of frequency space? Phone already has the largest "slice" of every band. (yea, I know, CW can operate anywhere but the CW ops generally stay out of the phone segments) You are another one of these "my mode is the only one that counts" crowd. You will notice that the CW ops don't want to ban phone. And no, I don't operate much CW.

Lon

 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by N2LJD on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Interesting cross-section here.

Have the appliance operators: 'can't buy a commercial 30M base antenna' - make one! 'Many older rigs don't have 30M' - modify it!

Then there's the contester v non-contester debate.

...and of course the CW operator versus phone operator debate, as so juvenilly postulated by KT0DD.

For my two cents, I like having a phone-free, contest-free band, and I believe a 50KHz slice isn't asking too much. I don't operate in contests as I've no desire to buy awards for myself, but more power to those who do, especially as the contesters are the driving force behind beter and better rigs and antennas.

CU / 30M
73
Joe
N2LJD
CW & PSK31
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by K5MDM on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
You said it yourself...NO Voice. Why not broaden it a little, and give us a good SSB spot. Thats where the action seems to be.
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by AC9TS on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I'm with Dave, WA0ZZG. QRS a bit and there may be some more interest. I have been trying to work on my speed in the 40M novice section. As I usually don't get a chance to operate until later in the evening, I am getting hit by the broadcasters. I've moved down the band (~ 7.040 to 7.050) and can copy some but not all of what's there. My ear isn't good enough yet to pull the code out of the QRM.

I will often take a listen on 30M but if all I hear are high speed CW, I have just moved on. Same as I do on 20 and 40. I know there are "suggested" slow speed calling freqs on each band but I'm not sure if there's one on 30M. If there is, I'll be there.

Tom - AC9TS
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by AE1X on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Remember 30mtrs is a shared band and we are the secondary user. This band is a digital only allocation for a reason.

I'm sorry to see the kind of juvenile response that I just read. This is just the kind of problem that has our service looking bad in everyone's eyes.

Amateur Radio should accomodate all interests within the framework provided.

We need people to populate all of our bands, so that those looking for awards, contest points, or just plain contacts have other stations to work. You can't have any of these activities without operators willing to participate.

We need operators to provide the venue for the learning experience to exist. The selfish behavior that I have seen for the last several years is totally out of character with what this service has stood for for some many years. We need to be gentlemen and ladies and work to improve all aspects of this great avocation rather than to bicker about what mode is best and where people should operate what mode. How are we going to attract and develop the next generation of amateurs to take our places when we finally are SK?

The best interest of amateur radio is served when we live TOGETHER and promote harmony! We either make the needed changes or the FCC will rid themselves our whining and juvenile behavior. There are plenty of interests out there that will gladly take our allocations and develop new services that will generate revenue. Then where will we be?

Ken
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by NJ0E on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
i don't find that 30m is ignored during evenings, but
i find activity a little thin on the ground when i've
tried to use it on weekend mornings.

until earlier this year, my primary rig was a kenwood
ts520; 80, 40, 20, 15, & 10. so there was no 30m
coverage (except on receive with the 'wwv' button
pushed).

last year, i built a ten-tec t-kit 1330 to provide me
with a 30 meter capability. i've enjoyed that alot.

this year i bought a second hand ten-tec omni 6, so
now enjoy all the warc bands.

as others have pointed out, many antennas available
on the amateur market still don't cover 30 meters.

contesters don't invest in 30 meter antennas, since
30m is a contest-free zone. and folks interested in
5 band dxcc and 5 band worked all states allocate
more of their time to other bands, since 30 meters
isn't one of the 5 bands. contesters and dxers
tend to be among the "big spenders" amongst radio
amateurs, so the manaufacturers tend to develop
products for those who are willing to pay.

even qrp'ers are also sometimes contesters, and
participate in spartan sprints, homebrewer sprints,
flight of the bumblebees, etc. of course, none of
these make use of 30m.

i'm not advocating change; i like having a refuge
to go sulk in when there's a contest going on that
i'm not interest in.

now if i could persuade dave benson to offer a
30m rockmite ...

73
scott nj0e
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by N1ZHE on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ignored? You may be right. Want to setup a sked with me for PSK31, RTTY, or what-have-you? Email me at david@n1zhe.org. I'll make sure you get a card from Maine for your troubles. As for PSK on 40 meters, I've never heard any. David, N1ZHE
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KB0GU on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I frequently (used to ) call on 30 using psk31. The contacts that I had were all very good quality. It seems this band is open more than 20 and as you would expect has propagation characteristics between 40 and 20. I especially like using 30 for psk31. Problem was I could make calls all day and get only a taker or two. So I have been concentrating more on 40 and 20 during the summer months and 40 and lower for winter. Guess I should at least try 30 every time I get on. I even posted to a psk group and that generated a little activity for a while then it just played out again. Anyway it is a great band for this digital mode!
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by W6TH on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I have always enjoyed the 30 meter band from the start. Good to get away from the ssb'ers. No digital for me, cw only. Plenty of dx and enjoy hearing the Europeans and Japanese at the same time of night. Would like to try a three way qso, Europe, USA and Japan. An amazing band.
.:
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by G0RTN on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Maybe its ignored in the States but not here in Eu. I used to work smallish pileups on it regularly when I was one of the few people to use it much from GI - I have one log record in the logs of 74 QSOs in an hour and ten minutes on a weekday evening in summer, all started from a CQ on 10.101 and someone obviously spotted me on packet. With 100W and a rather inefficient shortened vertical converted from a CB antenna I worked Antarctica, 9M8, BV, etc. I remember workign a fair few W stations on it as well!
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by N3ZKP on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<< NO Voice. Why not broaden it a little, and give us a good SSB spot. Thats where the action seems to be. >>

If my memory is correct, when 30m was allocated by the WARC officials (that's why it's called a WARC band) one of the conditions was CW/data only. The FCC doesn't have the authority to allow voice on 30m.

Yea gods, with all the spectrum space available for phone, a quiet respite for the CW ops is a good thing.

No, I don't operate CW.

 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by N3AIU on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

Given it's near-optimum location in the HF spectrum (in terms of DXing during the entire sunspot cycle), you would think that 30m would always be crowded. I have almost never heard 30m totally empty, but I've never heard it crowded like other bands, either. And yes, the other bands can be crowded even when there are no contests.

Could interference be part of the problem? Recall that amateurs are secondary users on this band. There is always a loud RTTY station near the middle of the band (commercial or government?). Sometimes there is another non-ham RTTY station in the DX window at the bottom of the band. Also, I often am plagued by lots of noise at the bottom of the band, and have not been able to determine whether it's local or global.

73, Nick N3AIU
 
CW death at a faster rate!!!  
by HERTZ on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

KT0DD wrote:

<< I wish the old CW curmudgeons would die off at a faster rate, so us SSB ops could get a Bandwidth appropriate allocation, instead of the sardine can we're in now. >>

Sorry to say so but this comment is just plain wrong. CW is not my cup of tea, but I very much respect the mode and wish CW operators the best in their endeavors.

Seriously, I much prefer SSB, RTTY and PSK31, but I am always very happy to hear many CW signals on the air. CW signals make me feel "at home" even when I'm not really interested in them... It's like having a loud, younger brother who makes a lot of "noise", ...when I hear him from a distance I know I got home.

Loud or not, I still love my brother and wish him the best.
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by WI2T on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Although I don't frequent the band, I have found it to be a very pleasing place to operate. Since November last year, I had made a decision to go 100% QRP/CW. With my HW-9, I have yet to have a CQ not answered on 30....and yet I haven't seen activity to the point that it is overwhelming like some of the other bands.
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by N7XB on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
As NJ0E notes, many digital ops may be chasing 5BDXCC and/or 5BWAS digital, and 30M is not one of the five bands permitted (a 30M endorsement is available for 5BDXCC, but not for 5BWAS).

For those into psk31, you might note that the PODXS 070 Club offers a "30/30M" endorsement for working 30 stations on 30M psk31.

see http://www.podxs.com/html/endorsements.html

With no contests, no SSB, no QRO (e.g., kilowatt RTTY), 30 meters is ideal for low power digital modes, especially psk31 (10.140).

Bruce N7XB



 
RE: CW death at a faster rate!!!  
by VE7ALQ on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Unlike KT0DD I am middle-aged (less than 50) and I _love_ to use CW with my modest station (ICOM IC-706 and HF6V vertical) CW gets through when Sideband can't. Anyways, for KT0DD's benefit there is PSK31 which doesn't require knowledge of Morse Code, and is even more conservative of spectrum and minimum QRO needed to establish a contact than CW.
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by K0RGR on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
OK, well, I figured that people to my south were hearing things better than I do up in Minnesota/auroral zone hell. And, my QTH is not particularly quiet, nor do I have a particularly god antenna currently for 30. However, I did operate 30 for many years from Central California, where I enjoyed all of those things, and also from southern Iowa, and I cannot say that I would ever call 30 meters 'busy' at any time in all those years.

I guess I would like to see more people use 30 as an alternative to 40 and sometimes 20 for digital modes. The region from 10.130-10.140 sounds pretty empty most of the time, and there are no SA phones there.

Right now, I'm on assignment in England for a couple weeks, and I may try to get on 30 from my hotel with QRP just to see what it sounds like, time permitting.

73
G/K0RGR

 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by N0TONE on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Sounds like the original poster hasn't gotten serious about antennas yet.

On 20 meters, you can do a lot with simple antennas. Atmospheric noise is low, and when the band is open, a few watts and an attic-mounted dipole nets DX.

On 40 meters, you can do a lot with simple antennas because most others on the band are serious - high antennas that are full-sized.

On 30 meters, there are a lot of hams who have yet to get serious. That means with simple antennas, you don't hear them well.

This is a band for which there's a great benefit to using directional receive antennas (small loops with preamps), just like 40 meters. A vertical or a directional array are good for transmit, and not very large.

For 30 meters, I can select from a dipole at 70 feet, a homebrew two-element Yagi at 45 feet, a full-sized vertical with quarter-wave radials at 20 feet and a rotatable terminated (unidirectional) loop, vertically polarized. My "weapon of choice" is usually the two element Yagi. On that antenna, I hear signals across the entire band, almost all the time.

In short, the band is not ignored by any means. However, most of the signals on the band are weaker (absence of commercially available beam antennas?), so you have to get more creative with your own antennas in order to hear what activity is there.

Not that you can't do OK with a modest antenna. But with a modest antenna, you'll be confined to working those stations who HAVE gotten a bit more serious about it.

73,

AM
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by G0RTN on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KT0DD - I'm 27 years old and have worked 95% CW since I was first licensed at the age of 14. I plan to be hanging around for the CW bands next 5 or 6 decades, so if you're waiting for me to die off, you'll be waiting a long time!

I do work SSB sometimes, it's great for keeping my French and German up to speed, and I'm sure you can work great DX on SSB especially if you have a kilowatt, a tower and a stack of land. But most of us of more modest means live in in the real world (especially here in a crowded country where we're living through a full scale property boom) where reality is bits of wire strung from blocks of flats and houses with no garden, planning restrictions, TVI, unsympathetic neighbours, etc. - and where I live I have something close to 50,000 neighbours within a mile radius. On CW I can work DX at night when I put my antennas out with 100W and wire antennas. On SSB I sometimes need to be S9+ to be heard through the QRM on 40m SSB, even in one-hop-skip range.

K0RGR - there's usually plenty of 30m activity here in Europe - 10.100-10.120 usually has lots of CW QSOs, and I'm told there's a reasonable amount of digimode activity on 10.140-10.150 (although I don't operate digimodes myself). I'm not sure how much activity there is on the 'official' QRP frequency, but plenty of QRP lads drop down to the bottom end of the band to work us QRO-types. I don't know where in G-land you're based but I live in Central London (about a mile from Marble Arch) and would be delighted to meet up for a few beers/coffees if you're in this part of the world.
 
30 M not ignored by me....!  
by VK2GWK on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
In Australia there are no special power restrictions and even phone is allowed on 30 M...... During the daytime there are a few regulars ragchewing.

I am a regular DX-er on 30 M and can be found almost any day around 10.108 MHz in CW with my single dipole at 60 ft. For a while I also CQ-ed in PSK31 around 10.142 and worked a few Europeans there. But that mode is really quiet on 30M :-( In CW I usually have a pile up in no time..... Lots of Europeans but once in while a stateside stations is QRV as well.
So: put up a simple dipole at least at 50 ft and start operating. I'll be happy to give you a new one on 30M.

 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KC7GNM on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
N1TN Said

"Digital and phone operators need not apply. This would be CW only"

Why not digital? It is allowed. I hate operating CW and just because you like it does not mean I have to operate it too.

73 de Greg
KC7GNM

 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KC7GNM on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Sorry meant K1TN

73 de Greg
KC7GNM
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by N6TZ on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
30 meters is not ignored at this shack! It is a great band, and about 50% of my activity is on it.
I use the shunt fed tower that has my 5 band beam on it. The tower looks like a 5/8 wave vertical and is a pile-up buster. About two weeks ago, worked as far as the signal can go around the world, Rodriques Island in the Indian Ocean. With a vertical you can't really claim to work "long path" very easily, but fully half way around the world is good enough. I use a folded dipole as a "low noise" receive only antenna when necessary.

Hal, N6TZ
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by K1ZF on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

Lets have some contests on thirty! Then, it won't be under used...

Gene K1ZF
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by WO5I on August 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
30 Meters is a GREAT DX band! In a little over 2 years, I've accumulated over 100 countries on 30 M(65 confirmed to date). It's usually open every evening to all corners of the globe.

I love the uncrowded nature of the band, but I agree more hams should use the band for all digital modes (which includes CW, btw!).
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by N5KBP on August 31, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
After reading this article this evening I fired up Mixw32 in PSK31 mode. The setup here is an Icom 746 with a very heavily modified (adding CAT control and a few switches) Rascal GLX interface driving an old SB-200 amp with a 220 ft dipole fed with ladderline out of an old Dentron super tuner. I called CQ for over 15 minutes on 10.142.15 and 10.137.15 for over 15 minutes each with 100 watts out. As expected I had no takers. I could copy many cw stations lower in the band so the band was not closed. The problem is nobody was listening. It is definately an underutilized band. What more can we do to spur interest in it for us digital guys?

Marty
N5KBP
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by S57LWE on August 31, 2004 Mail this to a friend!


My first QSO on 30m I made this year..(May 2004)
The good friend S57MYY give me the old CB (11-10m) 5/8 l vertical antenna - I remodeled this antenna for 28 mhz (have 2 ele. Qubical Quad 20-15-10m but still is in my garages..the tower is not ready jet)

When I put the antenna on small 30`fit mast I tried the antenna also on other band.
Hmm..the antenna work excellend whithout help of antenna tuner.. on 30m (1.2 - 1.3) on 20m have also nice swr 1.2 -1.5 (hi)

Since now I work approx. 35 dxcc :o)
Damage because we use only CW & digi mode on 30m (I like SSB mode)

CU on 30m Eric

PS.
Sorry my English is not 100% (HI)
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by LA3LMA on August 31, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I use 30 meter CW a lot, as much as possible in fact,
since it's not too crowded, and I usually get an answer when I call CQ. My favorite rig is FT-897 with a Buddipole portable antenna (but 30 is my favorite band even when I use the big club station with rotating antennas, FT-1000 etc.) The only reason
I don't use 30 more is that the buddipole doesn't resonate well on 30 when located on the balcony (probably due to parasittic resonance with a nearby gutter).

LA3LMA
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by NJ0E on August 31, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
AC9TS
-----

> I will often take a listen on 30M but if all I hear
> are high speed CW, I have just moved on. Same as I
> do on 20 and 40. I know there are "suggested" slow
> speed calling freqs on each band but I'm not sure
> if there's one on 30M. If there is, I'll be there.

tom,

most of the operators you hear on the 30m have
been active for many years, so most of the qsos
will seem somewhat fast to you at this point.

that can make things seem a little intimidating.

but that doesn't mean they wouldn't equally enjoy
a qso with you at whatever speed you're presently
capable of.

generally, the slower activity tends to be a little
higher in the band, and the dx pileups will be
close to the bottom. try sending a 'cq' yourself.
maybe in about the range 10115 - 10125 khz. don't
send faster than you can copy. the dx pileups will
be below 10115. and radioteletype, packet, psk31
and such will be above 10125 khz, for the most
part.

most cw ops are delighted to work newcomers to cw.

73
scott nj0e
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by N9QCI on August 31, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I had the same experience as N5KBP noted above. This thread got me interested in 30M PSK31 again, so I checked 30M at about 0100Z and didn't hear any PSK31 anywhere between 10137 and 10143. I called CQ a few times, but no replies....

But my log does show 3 PSK31 contacts back around April 01 of this year. It was Jim K9YKL that turned me on to 30M. I also had QSO's with IK2XZY and VE9DX on 30M on the same evening.... so there is actvity out there occasionally. Maybe we need (as suggested above) and "net" type thing, where PSK'ers get together on 30M a couple nights a week....

73
N9QCI
 
Something about 30m in EU...  
by OE5OHO on August 31, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
30m is a great band in many ways: 1st itīs mostly CW only, what a pleasure. 2nd itīs between 40m and 20m and offers good propagation around the year and sunspotcycle. 3rd there are not too many BKWTE (=big KIDS with tremendous equipment)and so itīs a nice band to chat or hunting DX even if you run QRP.
As others said "itīs quiet on 30m": at least in OE we have commercial QRM on the 10.100 side killing 1 to 1.5KHz and another 24h QRM source somewhere abt. 10.111 with 59++ QRM, eventually somewhere in between from time to time. The other parts are used in CW :-)
FYI: there is a nice beacon on 10144.0, DK0WCY - for further details go to http://www.dk0wcy.de - that supplies info on solar events and so on...
73 Oliver OE5OHO
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by K0AMZ on August 31, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I mainly operate SSB, but I feel 30 meters should remain digital. I'm starting to go to PSK-31 and the last thing I want is a SSB station operating 1KW and splashing across 6KC to talk to his friend across town. Leave it 100 watts and digital.
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KA8SYX on August 31, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I'd use 30M a lot more if I knew that I'd be welcome with my slow CW. I try 40M often but don't find much activity in the Tech portion, but cannot yet copy even 15wpm -- I therefore stay away from below 7.1

Haven't got a PC at home, so digital modes are out for the foreseeable future.

I work on improving my CW copying speed as often as possible, and would really dig 30M -- I guess I'm just apprehensive about getting "in over my head."

Is there room for us slow-pokes on 30? I'd just as soon rag-chew on CW, so it's not like I'm just in it for a name, signal report and QTH. Comments welcome.
73, Ray KA8SYX
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KB6NU on August 31, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
There are plenty of slower CW ops on 30m. I'd suggest hanging out around 10.118, which is the Fists (www.fists.org) frequency. Most of the Fists are slower speed ops, and those that aren't are more than happy to slow down (myself included).

Dan KB6NU
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by G3VGR on August 31, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ray, KA8SYX:
of course you're very welcome. Any reasonable operator (and that's 99% of 'em) will accommodate whatever speed you're comfortable with. If you have problems copying, just ask the other op to QRS. As the FISTS motto says "accuracy transcends speed".

Regarding the original thread, I operate a lot of 30M CW and there's plenty of activity, but on the odd occasions I want to use digital modes, I always seem to automatically go to 20M, so am quite unaware of what level of activity there really is on 30. Hence, I suspect it does need some promoting.
 
County Hunting  
by AD1C on August 31, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The CW county hunters have recently started using 10.114, in addition to the standard 20m (14.0565) and 40m (7.039) frequencies. 30m has been a ROUSING success. When 20 is too long, and 40 is too short, 30 can be the perfect compromise. I have worked out to MT and AZ in the late morning (11 a.m. local time).

N4CD has worked over 1000 counties on this band alone! This new activity has spurred me to to finally get WAS on this band.

73 - Jim AD1C
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by NJ0E on August 31, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KA8SYX
------

your post, together with that of AC9TS and WA0ZZG,
kind of bring it home to me that it's a little more
intimidating to get started in cw these days than
it was back in the mid-70's when i was getting my
feet wet.

back then, there were 100's of novices with no voice
privileges, until they could reach 13wpm proficiency.
so there was quite alot of 5-13 wpm activity in the
novice (now tech+) subbands.

on 30m most of the activity that you hear will be
operators who have been using cw for year, some for
many decades, and more than a few retired railroad
or maritime telegraph operators.

> I'd use 30M a lot more if I knew that I'd be
> welcome with my slow CW. I try 40M often but
> don't find much activity in the Tech portion,
> but cannot yet copy even 15wpm -- I therefore
> stay away from below 7.1

you don't have to stay above 7100 khz.

there is some slower activity, especially above
7040 up to maybe 7060 khz.

and you are absolutely welcome to operate on 30m
also. i suggest you call cq between say 10115 and
10125 khz. most cw ops are delighted to work
beginning cw ops.

jump in; the water's fine

73
scott nj0e
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KA2DDX on August 31, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Scott,

For you and all the other "slow" cw ops - I don't care how slow you are. If you hear me on, please give me a call. I'll be glad to qso you at any speed you are comfortable with. Please don't let your lack of speed keep you off the cw bands. Speed is a good thing to have but it is not nearly as relevant as most hams think. The key is to get on and operate at the speed you are comfortable with and don't worry about anything faster. Speed will come to you in time but the best thing to do is concentrate on a nice rhythm when you send and copy the other guy as well as you can. I've been down your road and know what it's like. My top speed years ago was 50 wpm. I could do it again with a little practice. It's not important compared with being able to qso at any speed with a nice rhythm, good copy, and patience for the other station. Your speed is just as important as mine or anyone else's. See ya on 30!
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by N5YPJ on September 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
When I hear another digital ham station operating on 30 I'll gladly QSO with him. Problem here is all I hear on this end are CW QSOs (I don't care for CW). Never hear any other digital mode being used by a ham station. We do have a VERY LOUD RTTY station around 10.130, obviously not an amateur. Try calling CQ on PSK31, maybe we'll bump into each other
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by KH6ES on September 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
30M isn't ignored. I've worked tons of stations with an SW30+ and a resonant dipole; usually I get the thing up around 33 feet using the armstrong launch method. This rig is around 1-3 watts output.

I'd hate to see contests here and as for SSB? It's too small a band--50khz. It's a secret place, still, as in: "30 meters IS what ham radio WAS."

The comments relating to cw speed here are worth listening to---this is a band with lots of experienced cw ops, so the speed is higher. So is the operating ability/procedure, et cetera. These are terrific ops. Having said that, I don't know one who wouldn't QRS and be happy to do so. Most of these ops are so quality, you needn't even ask; if you're sending at 10 wpm, they will answer at that speed.

73, WUØH
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by SP2XF on September 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Since I've started operating on WARC bands, the 30 M become my FAVOURITE. And for me, personally this is real magic band, like 6 M for other people. Of course I'm a CW fan.

At the moment I'm using IC 736 + Vertical Multibander antenna, but this month I'm going to put 2 slopers, especially for USA/VK and JA/LU directions + a vertical delta loop pointed to Africa...

If anyone would be interested in SKED, email please:
sp2xf@wp.pl

Ps.
I'm on the air only during the weekends..
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by K0RGR on September 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Tried my first HF operation from my hotel last night - sadly I have S6-8 noise level. I'm on the top floor of the hotel facing east. I heard a few signals on 20, a few UA's, and some loud RTTY and PSK signals, but nothing at all on 30.

I'll try to get out to a park and get a decent wire up in a tree this weekend.

G/K0RGR
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by W5LSD on September 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I'll be there with my microphone as soon as
this whole dumbdown thing gets the go ahead.
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by PE1NPG on September 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!


N0AH says: It should be strictly a CW band.
He has to work around the digital noise.
What nonsence :
PSK31 is less broad the a harded keyed CW Signal.
Its very efficient for DX work. (S/N ratio)
CW is just a mode, like PSK31 is.
PSK31 is great fun to work, specially for those who do not have CW knowledge.

Yes, I am a no-code supporter, and glad that the Dutch do not have a morse prof. test anymore.(Its 2004 peaople!)
CEPTI and CEPTII have become CEPT, so we all have the same rights. So please stay away from the very small part of the band that is used for PSK (3KHz?)


Jean-Pierre, PE1NPG, a HF PSK31 fan.
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by N5KBP on September 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Well this posting has had a very good effect. it's 01:02 UTC and the band is full of PSK sigs from 10.137 to 10.140 . I even hear a psk63 signal. I love it.

Marty
N5KBP
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by K8IAT on September 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I'm game!!

I work 20M and 40M digital modes(PSK, RTTY)and totally ignore 30-Meters. The reason is Antenna! I have a 5 element Tribander and a 80M Off-Center-Feed Dipole that operates 80 and 40 without a tuner.

I have a second radio so I will put up a 30-Meter Dipole and leave it set on 30 Meters.

Hope to here from you
K8IAT
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by VE7ALQ on September 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
You don't need to put up more antennas. Just shunt-feed your tower and/or use a tuner on your 80/40 dipole. If you are running the legal limit on 30 meters, you should be able to use the LDG "AT-100Pro" Automatic Tuner which sells for USD$219 from any number of US Vendors.

Be kind to your rig (and your neighbours). Always use an Antenna Tuner. Almost as important as a low-pass filter!
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by K0RGR on September 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Got a better wire out the window on Saturday night, and was amazed at the level of activity on 30 over here. CW signals all over the band from Europe, Asia, and Africa in spite of S6 noise levels. Worked some DX with my FT-817 running on internal batteries at 2 watts. There were some contests going on, and I think that chased more people up to 30. I did not hear any digital stuff on 30 at all, however.

G/K0RGR
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by K5PSH on September 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
been reviewing the topic--here in the south/southwest 30m is a bit underutilized during day hours--at night it's another story--let's all(who are similarly interested)make a special effort to work the band at all hours--

as for slow code, DON'T (emhpasis only)let that stop you--like most cw ops, i'll talk to you at whatever speed you like--a "qrs pse" will afford you a comfortable copy speed--if you hear K5PSH on 30m, call please--i'll be happy to qso--73 -- jerry
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by AD4OS on September 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Shhhhh! I like it quiet. It can be very relaxing and QRM free.
 
RE: Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by VE7ALQ on September 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Shhhh! I like it quiet. It can be very relaxing and QRM-free.


Ever tried listening to your dummy load?
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by K9YEQ on September 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I use 30 meters for QRP, and it is one of my favorite bands. The power restrictions, light use, make it ideal for me.
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by OK1RR on September 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I don't think that 30 m band is ignored. There is a lot of activity and I highly appreciate this mand as CW only edge. Frequencies of about 10 MHz seems the best for DXing, there are also not so many poor operating habits like we can see daily on other bands. Anyway, I'm awaiting my country #300 very soon.
 
Why is 30 Meters Ignored?  
by AE6RO on March 25, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Well I tried repeatedly to get an answer from my CQs and I couldn't find ANYBODY to talk to.
Not only that but it went dead after eight p.m. or so.
It just doesn't pay to have a dedicated 30 meter antenna so I took mine down.
Not only that, hams are secondary users, not primary and nowadays one has to wonder who those primary users really are.
 
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