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Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure

David Kopacz (KY1V) on September 9, 2004
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For the past year I have experienced a ticking or popping sound on all bands from 20 meters through 6 meters. These annoying noise could be heard equally as well on my FT-1000MP Mark V, IC-756ProII and TS-2000 receivers. The noise varied in signal strength depending on frequency and atmospheric conditions. Sometimes I could hear it on 20 meters and other times barely at all. It was always present on 10 meters and 6 meters. Recently, I bought a new Icom IC-7800 and the noise persisted with no help from the noise blanker or DSP noise reduction. It seemed nothing could eliminate this noise. I was determined to find the source and eliminate it myself.

I had taken many steps in attempting to isolate this problem. I won't bore you with all of the details, however, I will share with you the most recent steps taken to isolate the problem and my findings, which are extraordinary.

After shutting down the power to EVERY breaker in my home EXCEPT the dedicated circuits with isolated grounds that power my transceivers, I finally came to the conclusion that the interference was not being generated by any device in my home. In fact, I even removed the batteries from every device in my home including battery operated sprinkler timers outside my home. Having four young children, I can assure you that is a lot of batteries.

It was a very frustrating and time consuming process, and it certainly didn't make my wife or children very happy while power was being shut off and restored throughout the home. I did try to do most of this testing while they were out of the house, but the length of time that it took to isolate this issue was significant.

After discovering that not a single electrical device in my home was causing this extremely annoying noise, I decided it must be an electrical problem somewhere else and the electric company seemed like the most likely source.

I had recently purchased an M2 6M5X yagi for 50Mhz and found that when I pointed the yagi northeast towards Europe, the noise was strongest. I finally had something to work with, a direction! Interestingly, this direction was pointing exactly at my GAP vertical 100 yards away.

Fortunately, during our last trip to Dayton, we purchased my oldest son an Icom IC-R3 receiver which would make an excellent noise tracking receiver in AM mode.

First, I set the IC-R3 to 28.5Mhz, where the noise was the strongest on my transceivers, then selected the AM mode. I could not hear the noise! Wow, was I disappointed. I knew the noise was there and I knew what direction it was coming from so I preceded to walk out toward the GAP antenna, following the direction my 50Mhz beam was pointing. Upon arrival at the GAP, still nothing! I couldn't believe my ears. I simply could not hear the noise! I went back to the shack, turned on the receiver and sure enough. TICK TICK TICK!

Now I was angry. I went back out to the GAP and the walked toward the back corner of my property, another 50 yards or so beyond the gap. VIOLA! I could hear a very faint tick tick tick in the background. I went into my neighbors yard, with permission of course, and proceeded toward the road and the telephone poles. TICK TICK TICK. The noise grew louder. As I walked further down the street under the power lines, the signal became even stronger. TICK TICK TICK POP.

After walking up and down the road, I discovered the noise was strongest near two power poles each of which were in front of a home. TICK TICK POP TICK. The signal was S9 and I was happy. Up upon the power poles were a couple of insulators that looked very old and a transformer that I was sure to be the source of my noise.

I was elated. Now all I had to do was write a letter to the power company, quote a few FCC rules and regulations and ask them to come out and begin replacing equipment until the problem was solved.

Before I wrote the letter, I decided to first review the ARRL website on electrical interference and hopefully find some advice about how to best word the letter in order to obtain the best response. Sure enough, the ARRL had a an entire section devoted to resolving interference problems including a section on dealing with power line interference and the utility company.

I eagerly read all of the information. I was amazed. I had been a ham for 29 years and had resolved several interference problems both caused by my station and caused by other electrical equipment and I was still able to learn much from the information provided on the ARRL website. In fact, it was simply cool that the Internet has enabled us to have quick convenient access to such information in the first place. I read on!

Finally, after reading the entire section on power line interference, it dawned on me that I really hadn't done my homework after all and I was not ready to call or write the local utility to file a complaint. In fact, it is a good thing I had not because I would have certainly wasted their time.

Based upon the information provided by the ARRL I realized that I hadn't really isolated the problem and I could do more before calling in people whom probably had less experience in locating noise interference than have I. The most important thing I had forgotten was to increase the frequency of the receiver as I got closer the source of the interference. I simply isolated it to an area near two utility poles while listening on 28Mhz. According to the ARRL website, I could have isolated it much closer to the source by increasing the frequency of the receiver until the noise disappeared each time I got to the point where the signal was strongest. So, I trekked on.

I continued to increase the frequency, first 50Mhz, then 100Mhz, 150Mhz and 200Mhz, each time getting closer and closer to the source until I was standing in between two homes along the chain link fence that separates them. What now, I thought. Well, first step was to gain the permission of both homeowners to walk around their homes with my handheld receiver in order to figure out from which home the interference was originating.

Fortunately, after introducing myself and explaining why I was there, both homeowners were pleased to permit me access to their yards in order to walk around with my handheld receiver and find the source of the noise. Could you imagine their response if they came outside and saw some stranger walking around with a receiver? These were older people and they may have just called the police.

Nevertheless, I walked around both homes slowly increasing the frequency on the receiver until I narrowed down the signal to the corner of one home, not far from the fence that separated them.

VIOLA! Now I am getting somewhere. I proceeded to knock on the door of the home where the interference was emanating. The older gentlemen was actually outside on his back porch drinking some tea. After his dog alerted him that I was there, he approached and asked if I had any luck finding the signal that was causing my problem. I said "Yes sir, I have. It is coming from your home!" He stared at me with a puzzled look on his face and replied, "Are you sure?". I informed him that I was most certain and I knew it was coming from the back corner of his house, which happened to be his bedroom.

We discussed the matter in some detail and I explained to him how I had purchased this new $10,000 radio and I was very anxious to find and isolate this noise source. I told him it was so important to me that once we discovered which device in his home that was causing the problem, I would happily pay to fix or replace the device. After all, it isn't bothering my neighbor, is it?

He agreed and let me into his home. I walked around a bit with the receiver in my hand and the gentlemen following me. TICK TICK TICK. The sound grew louder as we approached the back of the house. He began to explain to me all the devices he had plugged in. I explained the fastest way to isolate the problem was to start unplugging them until we discovered which one was making the noise. He agreed and began unplugging devices as quickly as he could. TICK TICK TICK, the noise persisted.

First the computer was shut down, then the printer and the fax, then the paper shredder, the clocks and so on. We unplugged everything in his office to no avail and then proceeded to the bedroom. On the way, in the hall, the sound grew TICK TICK TICK. Maybe it is the attic fan I saw from outside the house. It was on the end of the house just above the bedroom window. Up to the attic I proceeded, hot as can be, I made my way to the back of the attic and unplugged the fan. TICK TICK TICK! I was growing weary.

We then proceeded into the bedroom and began unplugging devices, one at a time, the clock radio, the fan, the phone and answering machine. As we unplugged each device and plugged it back in, the noise persisted. TICK TICK TICK. I asked him, "Did you unplug everything?" "Yes", he replied. I asked him to unplug the entire power strip from the wall.

VOILA! The ticking stopped. Unbelievable. A power strip, I thought? How could this be. Nevertheless, plugging the power strip back in restored the noise. TICK TICK TICK. I said, "Wow, that is simple to fix. I have a spare power strip at home. I will be right back". I quickly ran home, obtained a brand new power strip and rushed back to my neighbors house to plug it in.

We plugged in the new power strip and plugged in all the devices. I turned on the receiver. TICK TICK TICK!. Oh no, I thought to myself. This can't be happening.

I finally asked if he would unplug all the devices and plug them into the power strip one at a time. So he did. With just the power strip plugged in, the noise was gone. Then the clock. NOTHING. Then the phone. NOTHING. Then the answering machine. NOTHING. Then an unknown plug. TICK TICK TICK.

"What's that?" I exclaimed abruptly.

He replied, "That's my wife's electric blanket". "Did you unplug it before", I asked. "Yes" he replied, "but there are two plugs, one for each side and I unplugged only one at a time".

We had finally isolated the cause. My neighbor, 300+ yards away is causing severe interference to my receiver with an electric blanket. Wow, after all these months, I finally found the the source of my noise interference.

The man was amazed. In fact, he said he would leave them unplugged until his wife returned and he discussed the matter with her. I offered to buy them a new one, although I could not assure him it would not cause the same problem. He said he hated the thing anyway and proceeded to tell me his theory that all women were reptiles and they couldn't decide if they were too hot or too cool.

Nevertheless, he agreed to leave it unplugged until we found a final resolution. I told him I would check with the ARRL to see if some ferrites or chokes could help or if the blanket needed to be replaced. I would hate to ask someone to throw away their favorite blanket, but I think they may agree if it is necessary.

I wrote an email to the ARRL describing my situation. They responded that it was a known problem and the blanket had been recalled by the manufacturer. I believe they said it was a fire hazard. The ARRL even sent me a link to a page that had audio recordings of the noise. Amazingly, the sounds were identical. The web pages is at http://ve3hls.tripod.com/noise/rfihome.html

David ~ KY1V

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Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by KE2IV on September 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Great detective work and great writing!

I hope your neighbor(s) will stay with you as you try to finally resolve the problem.

Or, perhaps you could buy them a condo in FL for the winter months when they (she) "need" the electric blanket?

I hear you can get a Miami condo cheap these days!

73,
George
KE2IV
 
RE: Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by K2WH on September 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This is a very common and well known problem. I just performed the same hunt and found the same thing. A no name electric blanket, plugged in but not on in a neighbors house about 400 feet away. Lots of these blankets are coming out of China. For more information about noise sources and a site that could help you identify your particular noise please go to this site.

http://www.ve3hls.com/noise/rfihome.html

K2WH
 
Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by K9OHI on September 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
David,

Now that was a thoroughly enjoyable and informative article!

Thanks.

73 de Tom
 
Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by N4ZOU on September 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I had power line interference myself and found it was a power line transformer that had some sort of mounting problem. As the wires between that pole and two adjacent poles moved around from wind or large vehicles passing near them you could look up and see a high voltage spark at the top on an insulator and hear it in the scanner I was using to locate the source. Pretty easy to find that one! I called the power company to report it and they said they would check it out but three weeks later the mounting bolts finally gave up and the power pole transformer fell to the ground! It was so old it had PCB's in the cooling oil. They ended up digging up a yard and part of the street to remove the PCB contamination. They had that road blocked for several hours until the clean up and repair was done and was single lane traffic until the road department fixed the road two days later. It became a huge problem for several days. Even the people living in the house where the power company dug up there yard had to live in a motel room for several days at the power company's expence.
 
RE: Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by WB2WIK on September 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Good job!

I had a fairly similar experience "finding" my neighbor's fishtank heater. It was thermostatically operated and always plugged in, but would cycle on and off. It went crazy and started cycling rapidly and continuously, driving me nuts on several bands.

When I found it (using a hand held AM BCB radio) and unplugged it, the silence was deafening. I offered to buy the neighbor a new heater, but he bought it himself.

Lots of stuff blamed on power lines is really generated residentially, and maybe carried by power lines to spread the noise around. If we all had time to troubleshoot our neighborhoods this thoroughly, and did so daily, I wonder if the overall noise levels on the bands would drop? Then, we could save a few bucks by turning our amplifiers off!

WB2WIK/6
 
RE: Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by W2DUG on September 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I guess you didn't read

"Electric Blanket Interference"
posted by Mike Higgins - K6AER on May 15, 2004

That might have saved you some serious effort...instead of probing with a receiver, you could have asked your neighbors if they use electric blankets!

That thread along with your experience reinforces how common this problem can be...knowing this, it also gives us a solid approach to starting an investigation to track down certain kinds of RFI if it should ever happen to us.

(I like the pun in your title.)
 
Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by KY1V on September 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

"Electric Blanket Interference"
posted by Mike Higgins - K6AER on May 15, 2004


I completely missed that article...too bad!

This issue kicked my butt for days on end. I must admit...I did eliminate some less aggravating sources of noise emanating from my own home. I guess it wasn't a lost cause after all and I did learn a few things about locating interference sources.

David ~ KY1V
 
Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by W4AMP on September 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Good story, you even passed on the chance for another gratuitous slam on Martii.
 
RE: Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by AH6RR on September 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Glad you found it. I helped a fellow ham Shel KH6HH find a very bothersom noise source on 20 meters at his QTH it was 10db over S9. I brought my mobile over and we started driving around his neighborhood we found a 60db over 9 signal comming from we guessed 1 of 3 houses. 2 of the houses had people home after asking to shut the power off to find if it was comming from thier homes (Very funny looks indeed) they agreed, nothing it was still there. Well at least we had it narrowed down to one house. Shel went over later that day and the owner did not belive it at all and asked Shel to leave. So after placing a call to the local power company they went to the house and told the owner that he had a device that was transmitting an illegal signal and could be facing a fine. So the owner agreed to let the power company look for it. They found the cffending device a cordless drill battery charger. So after 2 months of a 10 over 9 noise Shel was able to work 20 again. Too bad we never found out what brand it was we could have bought some to make some 20 meter qrp cw transmitters hi hi.
Thanks for the Blanket story glad we dont need them here in Hawaii.
Roland AH6RR
 
RE: Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by W8EMX on September 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I had a similar experience hunting down a noise source that, for me was S9+40db on 10 meters through 75 meters. It turned out to be a Black and Decker Cordles drill charger (The Fast Rate Charger) that i had in my storage building [Which is unfortunately directly under my antenna]. I unplugged the charger, and the noise is now completely gone. Now I only have to remember to plug the darn thing back in when i'm not on the air.

73's
Tucker
W8EMX
 
Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by NC0B on September 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This problem with a specific electric blanket came to my attention many months ago when the I read a short article in WorldRadio (ham radio newspaper) The RFI comes from the switching power supplies, which provide DC to heat the blanket. I lived with this RFI for months, and it ended up coming from MY house! The spectra of the noise is quite broad, and when I put my 20 meter yagi on my HP spectrum analyzer, one observed a pulsed broad spectrum RF envelope that covered from about 10 MHz to way into the VHF spectrum. The pulse occurs about once per second, and was about S9 on my receiver, depending on frequency. Rotating my yagi was of no value, since in my case the noise was right under the antenna. I could drive around in my mobile and hear the RFI for about 2 or 3 blocks, and I actually have heard the exact same RF spectra at many locations around Denver, as I would mobile around the city. I sent an e-mail to Riley Hollingsworth, but did not get a response back. We own two of these blankets, and know nothing about a recall. I doubt the manufacturer knows our address, or even cares. QST should publish a short article on the problem, as obviously it is widespread.
 
RE: Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by K2WH on September 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
It is widespread. To find out more if you electric blanket is part of a nation wide recall, just do a Google search on "Electric Blanket Recall" or some other similar wording and you will find many sources of information on this growing problem.

K2WH
 
Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by KE4ZHN on September 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Just when you thought BPL was the latest threat to amateur radio. We now have EBR. Electric blanket RFI! Good work David on tracking this nuisance down. I enjoyed your article.
 
RE: Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by WA6BPE on September 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
You paid $10,000 for an HF rig that has an inoperable noise blanker?

WWMD - What Would Martti Do?

 
RE: Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by KY1V on September 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

>>>You paid $10,000 for an HF rig that has an inoperable noise blanker?


Actually, I paid $10,600 for a radio that can be updated with new firmware.

Version 1.2 of the IC-7800 firmware has a very functional noise blanker.

;~)
 
RE: Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by K3QS on September 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Glad you had neighbors willing to cooperate. I have a local noise that tears up 160 thru 2 meters with S9 + 10 sig, and the neighbor says "that's your problem, not mine, and I'm not interested in your problems. Goodbye!"
 
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by W3DCG on September 12, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Great true story.
Kept me until the end.
Read like a suspense story.
I learned something too.

Well done! Thank you!
 
RE: Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by N4KRA on September 12, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Great account of your foxhunt.

My last noise maker foxhunt ended up being my son's (another ham) touch lite in his bedroom...Finally got him to try and operate with it on. He now keeps it unplugged and stored for when he moves out...It would come on when I transmitted and cause all sorts of noise in my receiver...

I have had other foxhunts in the past, but this was the first one at home itself...

We have mattress pad heaters, will just have to check them out also..

Thanks again for the great article
 
Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by KA2VTI on September 12, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Hello All,
Ehjoyed the story especially after living through a tough one myself this year. Seems a frying noise at 20 0ver 9 from 1 Mhz on up was destroying my ability to listen to all but the strongest signals on HF.
After verifying the noise was not in my home by running the rig on a battery and shutting off the main breaker I called upon the local power company.
After weeks of their searching and hardware tightening and changing, no luck. The noise was a random and most often heard in the early morning hours I asked them to attend a daily 6 am 75 meter schedule I keep to hear it first hand. They agreed hearing it, agreeing it to be 60hz based. Long story short they finally used an MFJ (of all companies)noise sniffer to determine a neighbor's home 400 feet away was the source. After 2 days of searching in the house they found an extra 2 year old basement refrigerator was the culprit! The company took weeks to get a service person out there that had a clue but they finally replaced the thermostat. Two weeks later the compressor went bad but at least the noise is gone! Happy Hunting and let's keep ALL the power companies on their toes now before BPL rears it's ugly head in our neighborhoods!!
 
RE: Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by N3ZKP on September 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<< Glad you had neighbors willing to cooperate. I have a local noise that tears up 160 thru 2 meters with S9 + 10 sig, and the neighbor says "that's your problem, not mine, and I'm not interested in your problems. Goodbye!" >>

With all due respect to your neighbor, it IS his problem and an email to the FCC will get him a letter telling him to fix it or pay the fine for causing the interference.

Lon
 
Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by K3RFI on September 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
That was a great story. One I'm all too familiar with.
Check out the information sheets available on my web site rfiservices.com.
They are very popular in the power industry and everyone is welcome to reproduce them as they wish.
Mike K3RFI
RFI Services
 
RE: Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by WA0DTH on September 30, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I currently am having problems with pulsing which is the strongest in the 20 meter band.
It is at a rate of 4 to 5 hz and is a sharp pulsing sound. It seems to be conducting through the AC wiring.
It gets real strong when I hold a portable Radio Shack AM SWL receiver near the wall switch in an adjacent bed room. I too have turned off everything in the house and its external for sure.
The 80 and 40 meter bands are ok but 20, 15, seem to be affected.
I will try some of your tips in tracking it down.
A foxhunt for sure. Any more ideas would be appriciated.
 
RE: Putting Noise to Bed -- Foxhunt Adventure  
by K8MHZ on May 8, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Is the wall switch a dimmer or have a light in it?

There are some of these switches that generate RFI.

The article was great.

73,

Mark K8MHZ
 
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