'Public Service' Begins at Home
Bill Crowell (N6AYJ)
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The best way for hams to provide a public service is to do as follows, and in the following order of importance:
1. Be a good parent to your kids so they won't grow up to be all screwed up and become public charges.
2. Work hard in order to earn a good living so your family can worry about other things, such as pursuing their personal interests and furthering their education, again so they won't become public charges.
3. Pay your taxes. Uncle Sam needs the money to pay all those public charges!
4. Be an “elmer” to a kid who's interested in radio.
5. After you have done all (4) above, then and only then do you have the right to perform any traditional "public service" work and to believe that you are thereby actually helping anybody.
I know, I know, I am going overboard on this. Obviously, the people who provided communications for hurricane Charlie, for example, performed a valid public service, even if they didn't do 1 through 4, above. I guess I am speaking mostly rhetorically.
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by K0BG on September 13, 2004
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Actually, I think it goes like this: 1). Watch out for your own health and welfare. 2). Watch out for your family's health and welfare. 3). If you have time left, watch out for others. 4). When you don't know what to do, go back to rule one.
Alan, KØBG
www.k0bg.com
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by AD6WL on September 13, 2004
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I agree with some of your opinions but not all.
1. Yes, you should be a good parent but not just for the reason that you stated; not even primarily for the reason that you stated. You should be a good parent so that your children will grow up to be good citizens and decent people.
2. Agreed.
3. Uncle Sam has never given me a choice in this matter, but I agree with your comment here.
4. I would definitely encourage all hams to become elmers. But it doesn’t have to be to a kid; it can be to anyone of any age. I have noticed that a lot newer hams have gotten into ham radio at a later age in life. This was certainly the case with me.
5. I disagree. You can get involved in public service immediately without first having elmered anyone. Some hams get their license just to get involved in public service.
You general comments and train of thought are very good and I must agree with your basic principles.
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by NI0C on September 13, 2004
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"Uncle Sam needs the money to pay all those public charges!"
The list of the biggest and most needy public charges wpuld naturally include Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, and Halliburton.
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by WD0M on September 13, 2004
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by NI0C on September 13, 2004 "Uncle Sam needs the money to pay all those public charges!"
"The list of the biggest and most needy public charges wpuld naturally include Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, and Halliburton."
Companies which in turn provide jobs to US citizens who are then able to follow all the other suggested rules cited above.....
73,
Joe
WDØM
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by NI0C on September 13, 2004
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Companies who lobby the government for contracts and profit from needless warfare, thereby decreasing tax money available for productive needs of citizens. Companies who preach about "ethics," and routinely violate ethical and moral principles.
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by KC8VWM on September 13, 2004
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"4. Be an “elmer” to a kid who's interested in radio."
There was a time of innocence when we all lived in Mayberry and "elmering" a child was considered to be an acceptable practice.
Today, we live in a world of internet stalkers, child predators, missing childen etc.
Any older adult seen now seen in the company of another persons child, regardless of the intent is now considered to be a suspicious activity.
I am not trying to discourage elmering, I am only stating the reality of why we see a reduction in these activities and why it has changed.
When I was 11 years old it, I was riding my bike and saw these large antennas on a house. I knocked at the door and the ham was very gracious and I visited the neighbors ham shack. It was considered okay for me to go over to the mans house at the time.
Today, a person is most likey to get questioned by Police at the request of the parents for engaging in a "personal visit activity" from a youngster in the confines of the person's home.
To tell you the truth, I am a little uneasy about the prospect of inviting a neighbors kid into my home to see my ham shack.
73
Charles - KC8VWM
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by W5HTW on September 13, 2004
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How true of the times in which we live. Any adult spending time with a non-relative child is automatically suspect, and sometimes with relatives as well. And children, sadly, have learned this, and if they get angry at an innocent adult, they make up a story of abuse or molestation, and the adult goes to prison. In fact, inviting a child into a house where both partners in a marriage are present, is no guarantee there won't be trouble. Even a nosy neighbor might make a complaint.
Nothing wrong with assisting a child in learning about ham radio, but it is best done in public, and in groups, like in a club. In the home it can be a dangerous situation. Of course, it is also true that some hams might actually be a molester.
But to the main thrust of the posting, I tend to agree also. Handling one's own responsibilities should be a priority, from raising the kids to putting food on the table, a roof over the head, and managing health care. It has nothing to do with ham radio. It has to do with living responsibly.
I'm thankful for the large corporations that hire thousands, or even just hundreds, of people. Having had to work all my life, I'm glad there was a place to work. Had I been anti-business, I probably could have survived on collecting tin cans and living on the beach, but it would not have been a healthy or rewarding life. And probably not a long one.
The smaller companies can not invest billions of dollars in new drugs, new energy, new techniques in cars, broadcasting, aviation, medicine, and thousands of other areas, so I'm thankful some companies can lead the pack into the future, and have been doing so for many years. I wish them well.
Ed
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by WD0M on September 13, 2004
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by NI0C on September 13, 2004
"Companies who lobby the government for contracts and profit from needless warfare, thereby decreasing tax money available for productive needs of citizens. Companies who preach about "ethics," and routinely violate ethical and moral principles."
[On soap box]
Actually, it's the other way around - the Government is authorized to enter contracts, and solicits companies to provide services for the citizens of our country. I don't know many companies who "preach ethics" except internally, but the US Government places ethics clauses in the contracts it awards, requiring accountability.
Violators of ethical and moral requirements in their US Government contracts are oft times required to publicize their failure, and "preach" to the public that they are attempting to abide by accepted moral and ethical principles in the future. Should you know of a company that "routinely violate(s) ethical and moral principles", please report them to the appropriate US Government contracting officer. There are penalties associated with violating a requirement of their contracts.
It would seem that you agree that there is, at times, a requirement for warfare, since you decry "needless" warfare"....and those who serve in the US military are assuredly on your side.
Profiting is a basic tenet of capitalism, and without it, we wouldn't have many companies in existence to provide jobs for you, me and our families. Boeing builds military aircraft, but their prime source of income is commercial airliners. Thank goodness they are capable of doing both, while providing incomes to support a large section of the US population, in virtually every state in the union.
[End of soap box}
73,
Joe
WDØM
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by NI0C on September 13, 2004
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Quoting WD0M:
"Actually, it's the other way around - the Government is authorized to enter contracts, and solicits companies to provide services for the citizens of our country."
That's what the contractors want us to believe, but the solicitation most assuredly is bi-directional. I worked at McDonnell-Douglas (now owned by Boeing) for fifteen years.
"I don't know many companies who "preach ethics" except internally ... "
Several years ago, Lockheed-Martin offered its "Ethics Challenge" game (the same one that they used in their in-house training) to engineering schools for use in the classroom. I got a chance to review this game as well as the Boeing code of ethics. I published my results in the Bulletin of Science, Technology & Society (Sage Publications). An abstract (and possibly the full article) is available at:
http://bst.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/20/6/441
The moral and ethical groundrules established by the government and the companies themselves are contained in an extremely narrow framework. I address this in my article also.
Joe, we obviously disagree on some issues; however I want to thank you for being most cordial.
73 to you also,
Chuck NI0C
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by WD0M on September 13, 2004
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Quote NIØC: "That's what the contractors want us to believe, but the solicitation most assuredly is bi-directional. I worked at McDonnell-Douglas (now owned by Boeing) for fifteen years."
WDØM's response: Most solicitations/request for proposals offer the interested contractors the opportunity to provide comments/ask questions before the final release. Before that happens, all comments/questions/modifications to be made are again provided to all interested parties. There are times when the Government requiring agencies do not have all the information to guarantee a successful product/service, and contractor opinions are sought - and that is a good thing. Self-serving advice from contractors is disregarded, as it should be.
I've been deeply involved in the past - my background is that of a government contracting officer. I'm a retired USAF colonel, and served as director of contracting for one of the USAF's major commands, served as Chairman of the Joint Acquisition Control Board of Europe, and as Deputy Director of Security Assistance for the US Pacific Command - you knew that eventually we'd both disclose our backgrounds ;-)
I've personally investigated Boeing/McDonald Douglas and Lockheed/Martin for expenditures inappropriate to their contracts, and reported those issues to the Secretary of the Air Force. Appropriate action was taken.
WDØM: "I don't know many companies who "preach ethics" except internally ... "
NIØC observes: "Several years ago, Lockheed-Martin offered its "Ethics Challenge" game (the same one that they used in their in-house training) to engineering schools for use in the classroom. I got a chance to review this game as well as the Boeing code of ethics. I published my results in the Bulletin of Science, Technology & Society (Sage Publications). An abstract (and possibly the full article) is available at:
http://bst.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/20/6/441
The moral and ethical groundrules established by the government and the companies themselves are contained in an extremely narrow framework. I address this in my article also."
WDØM replies: Certainly ethics and morality as observed by the contractor are contained within a narrow set of regulations/rules. As well, a corporation is only as ethically and morally abiding as is the senior management. Sadly, we've seen all too many cases of that in the recent past.
In summation, I'd simply say that "ethics, morality and integrity are what you do when no one is looking."
NIØC says: "Joe, we obviously disagree on some issues; however I want to thank you for being most cordial."
And WDØM agrees: Chuck, you're a gentleman - I appreciate the exchange, and value your ideas. Thanks for sharing them....
73,
Joe
WDØM
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by K2WH on September 13, 2004
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Hey, how come this radical anarchist keeps getting posting time when the articles I have submitted months ago are put in the round file?
K2WH
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by KY1V on September 13, 2004
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"Hey, how come this radical anarchist keeps getting posting time when the articles I have submitted months ago are put in the round file?
K2WH"
ROFL <rolling on the floor laughing>
This is the funniest post I have read in months.
Thanks for the laugh K2WH...I owe you one!
David ~ KY1V
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by KB9YZL on September 14, 2004
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Ok.....Now I'm confused!
What bearing does a referral to "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NoCode/" have on this thread?
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by OLDFART13 on September 14, 2004
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What does this diatribe of politics, government, lobbying, contracts, capitalism, and anarchist have to do with this thread?
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by KE4MOB on September 14, 2004
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I'm always humored by hams with backup batteries for their radios, complete "go" kits, spare fuel for their vehicle, and then you ask the question: "How's your family going to cope while you're gone?" The result is usually a blank stare...as the ham has totally prepared to use his/her radio in a disaster, but has left the family to their own devices. Oops!!
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by KE4ZHN on September 14, 2004
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Bill forgot to add one. Leave your orange vest and flashing yellow light at home!
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by K3UOD on September 14, 2004
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KE4MOB -
All that stuff is so you can help people in other localities when disaster strikes them. When your own family or neighborhood is hit, you take care of your own.
73, Jerry
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by AB5XZ on September 14, 2004
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4. Be an “elmer” to a kid who's interested in radio.
Change 'kid' to 'person'. Adults need "elmering" too.
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by KB9YZL on September 14, 2004
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OLDFART; ……Thanks for the clarification!
I get it now!
You figured that since everyone else seemed to be “off topic”, you might as well be too!
Seriously though……, this whole “Code” thing is kinda threadbare. You need to branch into other off-topic areas; just in the interest of readability. For example;…. Can you offer any tune-up tips for a ’79 Honda 750?
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
“Appliance Operator”
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by KB9YZL on September 14, 2004
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GHOSTRIDERHF;
Hmmmm……....Why does your trite, superficial comment not surprise me?
Oh!…., I know!………It’s because it’s exactly what I would have expected from you!
Have a Great Day!
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
“Appliance Operator”
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by AE6IP on September 15, 2004
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> Can you offer any tune-up tips for a ’79 Honda 750?
trade it in on a goldwing
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by AB0ZE on September 15, 2004
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Amen to this article.
1. God.
2. Country.
3. Family.
4. Others.
5. Job.
6. Self.
Except in unusual circumstances, Ham Radio is #6, much as we'd like to think it wasn't. Is the reason I don't have much of a shack these days.
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by AB2RC on September 15, 2004
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KB9YZL Asks --
"Ok.....Now I'm confused!
What bearing does a referral to "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NoCode/" have on this thread?"
Don't you know that it is an unwritten law that all topics on eHam must eventually devolve into a code/nocode debate?
Alex / AB2RC
I don't do code -- or Windows
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by OLDFART13 on September 15, 2004
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No Carroll, I was just wondering why you don't care how off topic a thread goes but if any mention of code comes up then you all of the sudden posting likes it's going out of style.
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by KB9YZL on September 16, 2004
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OLDFART;
Since when does a single two sentence post constitute “…posting like it’s going out of style”?..................
Well………since you asked the question, I suppose it would be only common courtesy to answer you.
I was absolutely serious when I inquired about the relevance of your post. It’s true that there are many off-topic posts on this thread; but if you read the whole thing, you can at least see why the off topic discussions developed. Your post, on the other hand, came from “somewhere out of the blue”.
You had the opportunity to explain why you thought you post was relevant to the discussion, but you chose to answer as you did: I therefore gave your reply the amount of serious consideration it merited:……….None!
I should probably remind you here that the reason our opinions on Morse Code differ is not that I have any objection to the use of Code. Hell….I don’t even care if it’s retained as a testing element! The fact of the matter is that I don’t care about Code at all. Morse Code and HF Operation have no bearing on what I do! As a consequence, I find your “Code Makes The Man” philosophy simplistic and a bit insulting.
When is your viewpoint going to mature to point where you can accept that there are people involved with the ARS who do not share your interests, and do not merit your criticisms?.........Or failing that, at least observe that here in The United States of America, people have the right to pursue there own interests and affairs without harassment?
Some people tell me that I should ignore your “contributions”, and not ‘rise to your bait”…………The problem is that I’ve never been a passive person, and if, for example, I heard a politician spouting nonsense and dogma, I would certainly make it a point to vote against him at the next opportunity. Here on this forum, that option is not available, and the only way to counter nonsense and dogma is to comment on it.
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
“Appliance Operator”
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by OLDFART13 on September 16, 2004
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Carroll, you couldn't ignore me if you tried. You have nothing say on any issue unless it is code related. You have a webcrawler that constantly searches for anything that has to do with code and then when you find it and put your two cents in.
I have never seen a post of yours that didn't have to do with code. That is your only issue and all you care about. You are so transparent in your deep desire to get your free, no work required, upgrade to General class. You claim otherwise but it is obvious by your posts over the past year what you are looking and praying for. If the ARRL plan was to pass and you get your cracker jacks General class license you will then have to start crying about how we need to eliminate all real exams for Extra, all the while claiming you have no personal interest in this matter. But we know better don't we?
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by OLDFART13 on September 16, 2004
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by KB9YZL on September 16, 2004
OLDFART;
....I therefore gave your reply the amount of serious consideration it merited:……….None!...
If that is what you consider no reply then you could fill volumes with a reply.
If you wish to see what my post has to do with this thread then you would have to follow the link. I could just tell you; like you were told the answers for your tech license exam, but what would you get out of that? NOTHING!
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by NN6EE on September 16, 2004
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CODE?
Did somebody mention CODE out here???
OH OH!
Quick bring out the fire extingushers!!!
Jim/ee :-))
PS, Let the youngsters do the public-service routine as we OLD FARTS don't have any spare time being retired!!!
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by KB9YZL on September 16, 2004
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OLDFART;
Well…., you’re 100% correct on a couple of points:
1) Yes, I have frequently commented on the “Code – No Code” issue. I do so because I find some of the arguments so incredibly anal! This is particularly true of those arguments that presume to group all “Non-Code” licensees into one category for the purpose of issuing generalized insults. I will freely admit that there is an ineradicable flaw in my character that makes it impossible for me to suffer fools in silence and/or inaction.
2) True……, I couldn’t possibly ignore your posts without developing a nervous twitch. This is because your posts so perfectly typify what I was talking about in “Point 1”.
If you truly believe that I “….have nothing say on any issue unless it is code related”, then you need to spend a bit more time reading, and a bit less talking. Simply go to the “Forums” menu, and do a search on my callsign. (I could tell you the step-by-step procedure for doing that; but what would you learn from that?)
If that’s too much work, (or as you would put it, if you’re too lazy) then just look at a few recent articles; “Amateur Radio Operators Shine in Crises”, “Think BEFORE you SPEAK or WRITE”, and “RCEMHS Participates in Disaster Drill”. You will find that I actually have written a word or two that didn’t relate to your beloved “Code/No Code” issue.
There is one thing in this “difference of opinion” that gives me a lot of personal pleasure:…….The knowledge that you and I will NEVER run into each other on the air. That’s because I will NEVER be found on the HF Bands. If today, the FCC gave all “Extra” Privileges to everyone with a driver’s license, I would still have no reason to leave the VHF/UHF environment.
Now……..You can choose to disbelieve my statements; that’s your prerogative. Just don’t think that the act of disagreeing makes your opinion correct: You still have to prove your point,……..and that’s something you will NEVER be able to do!
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
“Appliance Operator”
P.S.
Seriously though……..This habit you have of repeating the same thing over and over until you’ve convinced yourself of it’s veracity needs to be looked at carefully……..you’re starting to sound like Marty.
KLC
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by OLDFART13 on September 16, 2004
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Carroll, you have said a lot of thing about me but comparing me to Marty is just going too far. I refuse to accept such an insult, especially from you. You have gone way too far. You have crossed the line.
You may have posted on other items, but it was probably to uninteresting to read. You do jump in any time the word code comes up; even when it is just part of the url and not mentioned as a subject or even talked about. But you seem to make it an issue. My guess is if someone else posted this you would quietly let it go or probably not even notice it, but if Oldfart posted something and the word code is in it well damn you must retort.
As far as me repeating myself ad nauseum: I notice that you do the same thing. You have repeatedly stated how you will not operate HF and don’t care about code blah blah blah. I again state that I don’t believe you; you will be jumping up and down, breaking doors and be first in line to get your no-code HF license. I could be wrong but that is my opinion. You have left me with that feeling by your postings on other threads.
As for help on how to do a simple search….yawn… yes please come and show me how to do it. Also, come by and show or at least tell me step-by-step in great detail how to mow my lawn; do I need a mower, can I use scissors or should I hire someone? My guess is that you will actually answer this one.
Now I have to quote the next comment and redirect it to you:
“Now……..You can choose to disbelieve my statements; that’s your prerogative. Just don’t think that the act of disagreeing makes your opinion correct: You still have to prove your point,……..and that’s something you will NEVER be able to do!”
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by OLDFART13 on September 16, 2004
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by KB9YZL on September 14, 2004
OLDFART...
Can you offer any tune-up tips for a ’79 Honda 750?...
No I can't. Try google.
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by KB9YZL on September 16, 2004
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OLDFART;
OH, GIVE IT A REST!!! You reserve the right to tell people you don’t even know that they are “Lazy” and “Liars”, but if someone points out that your tactics are similar to some of the other “pains” on this site, you get all pissy.
If you don’t like that comparison, then stop living the stereotype! In spite of the crap you pen, you can’t conceal the fact that you are not unintelligent. Why do you persist in acting the fool?
Now, I’m going to give you your big chance;………Make a Convert of me! Tell me what it is about “HF Privileges” that is supposed to be so great! Because I don’t see it!
Is it randomly talking to people somewhere else in the world?…….Nope;…. Why not just dial the phone at random, hoping for an interesting conversation?
Is it Contests?…..Please! Rapping out CQ hundreds of time an hour, and counting the number of responses you get? Watching bumpers rust sounds more interesting!
Is it mindless ragchewing about nothing in particular?………NO!
Come on OLDFART, enlighten me! Give me your superior insight! You’re so High, Mighty, and Pompous in your zeal for the “True Faith”! …..Give me your superior insight! Just what am I supposed to be so anxious for? Crack open the golden gate, and give me a glimpse of the Promised Land, so that I’ll finally understand what I’m missing out on! Show me what I am supposed to be so desperate to attain!
I’m willing to bet you can’t………..Because it looks to me like the only thing HF offers is the opportunity to chat with a bunch of guys like yourself: Talk about a negative selling point!
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
“Appliance Operator”
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by OLDFART13 on September 16, 2004
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by KB9YZL on September 16, 2004
OLDFART; OH, GIVE IT A REST!!! You reserve the right to tell people you don’t even know that they are “Lazy” and “Liars”, but if someone points out that your tactics are similar to some of the other “pains” on this site, you get all pissy.
I did a search on this page and not once did I or anyone else except for you use the words "Lazy" or "Liars." These are your words not mine.
I will not try to convert you to HF. You are an experienced operator and you know what is there. My guess is that you have spent some time listening there and reading about it. You are well aware of the different activities on HF and you know if you want to get on HF or not.
I will spend my time introducing new folks, including my 10-year-old granddaughter, to ham radio. I am not making converts, selling or recruiting people to ham radio. I introduce it to them and some get involved and others don't. I know that twice a year I have some kids in the shack and let them operate some HF; it's called Kids day. Some are interested now and studying for their license while others may get involved later in life.
The fun continues.
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by KB9YZL on September 16, 2004
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By OLDFART: “I did a search on this page and not once did I or anyone else except for you use the words "Lazy" or "Liars." These are your words not mine.”
Nice Try!..........Do a somewhat broader search on your own writings over the past 12 months, and see what tumbles out!
It’s interesting that one moment you’re telling me that I will be “….jumping up and down, breaking doors (to) be first in line to get your no-code HF license”, and the next moment you can’t even tell me what’s so great about HF! ..... An Evangelist for the “True Faith” should be able to do better!
I’ll try just once more to make my case clear to you, and then I’m done. If this fails to make it through, I’ll place you in the category of people I don’t respond to (as I did with Marty). To be absolutely truthful, it pains me a bit, because I can usually at least make my position understood to people of other viewpoints.
OK…..Here it is one last time: I secured an ARS license because I needed the mobile communications capability afforded by the VHF/UHF equipment that was currently on the market at that time. Once into the ARS, I developed a budding interest in Fast Scan TV. That’s it! Those are my interest areas! As a kid, I never fantasized about talking to anyone in the Balkans, and antennas the size of a house are of no particular interest to me.
I became sensitized to the “Code/No Code” issue only because from the very first week I had my license, I found myself on the receiving end of insults and derision relating to my NCT status. As you may have already observed, I’m not the sort to take a poke in the mouth, without poking back!
Now…., if after this final try, you still choose to cling to your previous prejudices, then we are done talking……..And I’ll deal with the nervous twitch that your postings cause me as best I can!.
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
“Appliance Operator”
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by OLDFART13 on September 16, 2004
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Carroll, I didn't even read your reply; I just seen that you posted it. I could care less about you and your lame ass responses. You mean nothing to me. You are a broken record that keeps playing the same old crappy ass country song that I never wanted to hear in the first place. I can only think of one other person that I would hate reading from more than you on this site and you may guess who it is. If you have any sense at all you haven’t even read this far. Please respond and prove my point.
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by WA2JJH on September 17, 2004
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My EMT trainig also had a protocol
1)Who comes first.....you
2)Second your partner
3)The patient
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by N6AYJ on September 19, 2004
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Yeah, K2WH, you're The Man. That was pretty funny.
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by KB8UFF on September 19, 2004
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Hey Billy!
Wow, what a firestorm you started. You should have known that such a radical view would result in the ususal bickering, name calling and death threats.
How could you have possibly suggested that hams put their families first when you KNOW some of them have Ten-Tecs and Collins rigs? Are you suggesting that those priceless pieces come second to their families?
And bring new blood into the hobby? BLASPHEMY!
You should also know that it is also always the other person's job to pay taxes, not ours.
You irreverant trouble maker you!
Don't you have better things to do than to post your twisted views here for all of us to read and comment on? Honestly, Billy, sometimes I think you make this stuff up and post it here just to get people at each other's throats.
Come on, fess up, you don't really believe all that stuff you wrote do you? How can you be a REAL HAM with an attitude like that?
Cheers!!
Mark
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by KB8UFF on September 19, 2004
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Your point is well taken but there are other ways.
Get your own kids interested. Talk to your local school's science teachers. Write a letter to your newspaper. Have your club sponsor tech classes aimed at the younger side. When around children, promote our hobby by sharing the positive aspects of it with them in an interesting upbeat manner.
All the above took about 5 minutes of thought. Just think at what a concerted effort would do.
My 11 year old is half way through her tech class. Yesterday she went on a fox hunt with me. She has already made new friends at our club house, and she doesn't even have her license yet. She went with me to an Operation Care event where we were listening to the Hurricane Net on 20 meters. She got to listen to people in the middle of a hurricane as it happened. She had the opportunity to go up into the control deck of a C-5 Galaxy and sit in the 'driver's seat' at an Air Fair our ARES group worked at. We will be having a third party kids net for the students of the class to participate in. There is now talk of the kids forming a 'Kids Auxillary' at the club.
I consider this a good start. Yes, it is work, but we owe it to our families and to our hobby.
73,
Mark
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by KB8UFF on September 19, 2004
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My apologies,
The post above should have started:
In response to:
"4. Be an “elmer” to a kid who's interested in radio."
There was a time of innocence when we all lived in Mayberry and "elmering" a child was considered to be an acceptable practice.
Today, we live in a world of internet stalkers, child predators, missing childen etc.
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Mark
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