How 'Cold' is VOIP?
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In this past time, I've left behind my small radio activity, maybe as most of the people due to lack of time, maybe due to computer technology and so many times I've told myself that VOIP (and I talk about Echolink, Skype or whatever) could give to me what I probably searched for: the possibility to talk with the world (and in my personal purpose the possibility to talk with the US).
So I started to install all the software I needed. First I've been impressed with the quality of Echolink. Then it was the time of Skype, and its good peer-to-peer software; by just having a high bandwidth connection and a click I could meet everyone in the US.
But something maybe has happened or maybe I've just realized that I can't have what I like. Every time I search for someone to talk with, just to have a chat about computers, radio or whatever seems so hard to find someone available. It seems to me that everyone is laying low behind a monitor. I can't improve my English either just because I can't find anyone to talk with and if I get an "Internet call" the most of the times is about sex (and I don't need that of course).
I'm sure that Echolink or other VOIP software are precious if integrated in an emergency communication system or to link where radio can't be, but after spending many hours using them I even think VOIP is a "cold" tool. That's my opinion obviously.
So I really hope that the country where I live will release the possibility to use HF spectrum to Class B license so that I can try to search for someone who really wants to get in touch just not to give a signal report but to have a real warm contact.
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by LNXAUTHOR on October 17, 2004
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- i'm terribly sorry that this has been your experience... VOIP is a great tool, but i don't consider it to be ham radio...
- as strictly defined, it is an inexpensive way to communicate by voice via the Internet, i.e., cheap telephony...
- amateur radio communication via HF is a lot different, and there are many hundreds of thousands of great operators to talk to...
- i hope you have the inclination and motivation to work on upgrading your license - it's certainly worth the effort...
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by KX8N on October 17, 2004
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"So I really hope that the country where I live will release the possibility to use HF spectrum to Class B license so that I can try to search for someone who really wants to get in touch just not to give a signal report but to have a real warm contact."
Is there a reason you can't upgrade so you can talk to the kind of people you want to talk to?
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by K2CBM on October 17, 2004
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The only time I have used Echolink is when my HF antennas are down during a hurricane. I think VOIP serves a useful way to communicate if a ham has antenna restrictions but I agree, it is not radio communication.
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by W5GNB on October 17, 2004
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Your experience on EchoLink or Skype seem to be rare when compared to the experiences I have had. I find the NEW modes of ham radio to be very friendly and the croud I have run into have all been very good people.
I see the EchoLink as the newcommers way of ham radio. The kids of today have grown up with computers so it is only natural that they would incorporate thier interests into the hobby.
One of the BIG problems with our local ham club here is that it if FILLED with a bunch of OLD geezers that think ham radio should remain in the 1940's! They also seem to think that everyone should adhere to the OLD ways and they appear to NOT be interested in promoting the new modes of operating. It seems that the EGO trip of being smarter than the next guy is thier only adjenda for thier type of Ham Radio.
I first experienced this attitude when Packet first appeared as a new mode some years ago, there were SOSOPS on that system that thought they should dictate HOW one should use PACKET. This attitude greatly divided the users of PACKET and caused many unfriendly situations.
As for EchoLink not being Ham radio, I don't see it as being any different than Packet, RTTY, PSK31, Etc.
In my case, I run my own Wireless internet node. I live WAY out in the country and wireless is my only means to the internet. By being Wireless, I am connecting via RADIO so in my case it is REAL HAM RADIO since my system operates in the 13cm ham bands.
I also operate HIGH speed CW on the HF bands with an EXTRA class licence that I obtained back when there was a REAL 20-wpm cw test in front of an FCC inspector.
Now, lets hear an arguement for this one!!!!
73's and Happy Hamming!
Gary - W5GNB
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by KG4YJR on October 17, 2004
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If you (the author) haven't noticed, try to make sure you are linking to U.S.A. repeaters at the right time for the specific time zone you are trying to reach. I've had many conversations on my ride home from work with people from Germany and England around 15:30 ET = -5:00 UTC (approximate vs. ET/EDST) my time which is approximately 6 hours behind you in Italy.
73
Dave
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NOT AS BAD AS IT LOOKS :)
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by KB7LYM on October 17, 2004
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I read your story careful and must say it was a sad story.
It reminded me when I was reporter for the Krako Gazette and
met an old Hamradio Operator who was talking to me from a park bench
in downtown LA. He was crying. I asked him if everything was ok and
he said, I am fine sir. I am 99 years old and an extra class Hamradio Operator
His call as I remembered was something like KB6 ------ ????
Then he started to talk ...... Did I tell you Sir that I am married to a 27 year
old beautiful woman that will expect our child in the next few months ?
Did I tell you that she cooks Gourmet meals everyday ? Did I tell
you that in the evening after I finish my 20 or 40 meter connection we
dance and then make love again ? Did I tell you that in the morning after
a delightful breakfast we once again embrace each other and make love again ?
Yes Sir we Dance, eat fine meals, make love and talk on the radio.
I asked him ... But why are you crying for ???
He replied..... I forgot where I live
73 May all your problems be as big as KB6 -------- !!!
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by KE4PJW on October 17, 2004
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Had one of the most enjoyable conversations, via IRLP last night, I have ever had on radio. W4WWM, Will in Alabama dropped into a QSO I was having with a station in MA on the Western Reflector (9250). I had mentioned EchoIRLP to the MA station, then Will dropped in to give a little information about that software. To carry on the conversation, we both disconnected from the reflector and I connected directly to his repeater. We must have carried on for over an hour about Linux, IRLP, Echolink and EchoIRLP. It was a very enjoyable coverstation.
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by VE1SMC on October 17, 2004
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Just think of the VOIP as this, eventually us amatures will be getting to an age that we will be going to a senior's complex to live the rest of our lives until we pass. In some place we can't use the radio divices because they can interfeer with savistacated equipmentat at some of these places. Also I don't think they will allow you to hook up a tower for you to enjoy this, but with the VOIP such as Echolink you can communicate with the rest of the world with your personal computer.
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by GHOSTRIDERHF on October 17, 2004
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Well here we go again -- another TROLL article
at least the great part is that we should have another two more years of the "Is Echolink actuallu ham?" and "Code vs. No-code" since the FCC just announced that they will not be ready to make any type of license structure change recommendations until October 2006.
So another two more years of the same ol' articles as we are getting now ...
Whatever happened to the good articles people use to write?
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by K2WH on October 17, 2004
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Before you read the following, you need to be in a suspicious mood.......... Don't trust anyone.
All this so called Voip or Voice over the internet was quietly started with the FCC looking the other way ignoring the protestations of the phone companies. The FCC has long range plans.
The FCC therefore, allows VOIP to continue and grow. The reason? The FCC plans to quietly disband amateur radio altogether and we will be communicating with each other via the internet and the internet will be provided by BPL to many locations. It will grow like a cancer stiking down traditional radio communications everywhere it is installed.
Think about it, it dovetails perfectly. As BPL invades, more and more hams will switch to VOIP over the internet and probably via BPL because BPL will not allow real radio to function properly.
So, all those wishing for the demise of BPL are really shooting themselves in the foot because we will all be using the very medium we so desperately want to eliminate.
BPL will be the wave of the future and the new Ham Radio er... Ham Wire.......... or something like that. Think about it. I smell consipiracy here. Black helicopters anyone?
K2WH
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by KB2HSH on October 17, 2004
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K2WH:
I agree...althogh I'm not totally convinced that I need to start looking over my shoulder....yet. So, Michael Powell, George Bush's FCC Lapdog approved BPL. OK...all hell will break loose soon. This is a given. Those of us with a brain realize the problems ahead. The idiots that can't are being silenced with "hush hush" money. (Think about it...how "brilliant" is it to implement "broadband" with lines that are normally set fo 60 Hz?) From what I've read, experimented with, and asked around about...PSK-31 seems to work very well in high noise environments. I'm sure that once some more R&D and digital expermentation is performed, this mode will develop into something even MORE powerful than what it is now.
As far as you, Fabrizio...you should really grow up, and stop adding to the "flamebait"......
My $.02
John
HSH
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by K1CJS on October 17, 2004
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Hey E-ham--where are the RADIO articles? I thought this was e-ham, not e-everything-except-ham! :-)
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by KB9YUR on October 17, 2004
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Maybe VOIP has specific merits in certain situations, but where is the thrill and challenge
with talking to someone over the Internet ?!? During the last VHF contest, I decided to
do another field day by using my FT-290RII 2m QRP (2.5w) radio, KB6KQ.com horizontal
loop antenna and a solar panel to power the radio. After some local contacts, I was
rewarded with a QSO about 100-120 miles in another state. While I was making
the contact at a local forest preserve, some curious teens walked over asked what
I was doing. After explaining briefly what Amateur Radio was and how I was making
the contacts with the help of power from the solar panel, one of the teens said "Hey,
that's cool since we can't do that with our computer when there's no power or the battery
is dead". Whether there were any 'converts' made that day, I'll probably never know.
But, I certainly had FUN that afternoon and hopefully got some teens thinking about
becoming Hams.
George ...
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by K0RFD on October 17, 2004
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VOIP isn't radio.
So if you have problems with VOIP, find a nice VOIP forum to post to.
Too bad the people who run this site didn't tell you the same thing.
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by K0RGR on October 17, 2004
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Echolink and IRLP are intended to connect hams to hams, and in the case of IRLP, ham stations to ham stations. Skype is to connect telephones to telephones.
If you are using Echolink with no radios on either end, you are at least still talking to other hams. I don't agree with this use of the program, it's intended to connect radio stations, but it's not the same as a general public telephone system. Try connecting to the stations with a -R at the end of the callsign.
IRLP is a linked repeater system. Perhaps it would be more to your liking.
You will have a hard time finding what you want on HF, too.
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by K0RGR on October 17, 2004
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Echolink and IRLP are intended to connect hams to hams, and in the case of IRLP, ham stations to ham stations. Skype is to connect telephones to telephones.
If you are using Echolink with no radios on either end, you are at least still talking to other hams. I don't agree with this use of the program, it's intended to connect radio stations, but it's not the same as a general public telephone system. Try connecting to the stations with a -R at the end of the callsign.
IRLP is a linked repeater system. Perhaps it would be more to your liking.
You will have a hard time finding what you want on HF, too.
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by KC8VWM on October 17, 2004
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"To some it's cold to others it's really cool. "
You know, that could be written somewhere as a quote someday.
But, "Oldfart 1994" just wouldn't be appropriate somehow.
:)
73
Charles - KC8VWM
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by M3DPE on October 18, 2004
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Not this one again ;-)
It's just one additional "arm" to the hobby - we should be grateful that we have these options.
If it's not for you, then fair enough, but a look at the EchoLink userbase will show you 100,000 odd hams who enjoy experimenting with combining VoIP technology with radio.
And why shouldn't they.
73 de Dean
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by KB7LYM on October 18, 2004
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After reading the fine writings from KB9YUR
I made a slight adjustment to the way Communications can be done.
Maybe VOIP has specific merits in certain situations, but where is the thrill and challenge
with talking to someone over the Internet ? I was lost in the Mountains of Nepal, I decided to
do another way of communications and with help from the native sherpa's who used this way of communications for centuries,its foolproof .
By using my ROCK- 2 whithout tuning and without an Antenna at (0.00 w power ) horizontal as well as vertical at the same time I was able to communicate with a a fellow who was 175 miles away who also used the ROCK- 2.
The ROCK-2 contains a solid internal system and there is no need for a heat sink In matter of fact the ROCK-2 consist of 2 fistsize rocks. One just use the rocks and hit them together. Its called Echo navigation. The sound bounces of the rocks walls and continues through the valleys and canyons to be repeated by any Sherpas on the way.
A special code is in place. The signal must sound man made. This can be done in certain patterns like TIK TIK TIK TIK and repeat ...... Can be done day & night.
No antenna battery or a solar panel is needed. After some contacts, some curious apprentice Sherpas walked over and asked me what I was doing ? After explaining briefly what Amateur Radio was and how I was making the contacts without power from a battery or solar panel, one of the apprentices said "Hey,man this means that I can get on the air without a licence ! Yes I replied and the great thing is that you can get a brand new ROCK-2 in a hurry when you need it.
As always there will be those shouting Troll but hey you must admit it that it is done without the
help from the FCC with their great wisdome and hindsight,
For help in learning how to operate the ROCK-2 you can contact me at
DRAGONFLIES329@JUNO.COM
CAUTION !!!! The question has been asked if the ROCK-2 is SAFE ?
The answer is yes however one should not get their fingers in between when
sending the messages
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by W3DCG on October 18, 2004
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Audio frequency transmissions, bouncing off canyon walls... ROCK 2.
So this is what is called an Echo Link?
Modify it, add fire, for smoke, visual beacon, and a vector path to pinpoint accuracy.
Olfactory transmission is a bonus as well as life preserving warmth, in an otherwise very cold environment.
But then, it is likely that in Nepal there would be found, no wood to burn up there...Back to echo link via Rock 2.
73.
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by KK7AC on October 18, 2004
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Im getting so tired of this echolink/real radio/making contacts/HF sucks/VoIP sucks etc; Im going to puke. This topic should not even be posted. Every, and I mean EVERY, "mode" has it's fans and those who dislike or b-itch about its attributes or otherwise. Shut up already and get a real license so you can get on HF if thats what you want...Its sounds as though you are waiting for it to be handed out to you by your statement about allowing class B on HF. (we have those wanting hand outs here in the US, they are called democrats). Dont wait for the hand out you cry baby. Upgrade or join Toastmasters if you want to talk so bad. If Im on HF and I hear a CQ, I answer. If some connects into my link, (by the way I hate those who link in and call CQ -How stupid is that)and I'm around the HT or mobile, I answer too. So you are not refering to me or the other 95% out here that would answer a CQ or reply to a call.
..If you want "cold", get on 75 meters sometime (Oh, you cant I forgot, your waiting for the hand out) I mean listen to 75 meters and listen to alot of people being "cold". My point is there are bad apples in evry bunch and each mode has a place in this great hobby. Get real.
If you would spend less time TYPING on this internet site, and spend more time on the radio, you may have better luck "talking"........
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Voip isnt ham radio Voip enhances our hobby
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by W0IW on October 19, 2004
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Voip is used to talk to other hams
Voip is used to call a ham net
Voip is used to bring hams togather
Voip is used to bring an unused ham repeater to life..
Voip isnt ham radio Voip enhances our hobby
like hamfests, and magazines(VOIP) isnt radio its just a way to talk about doing ham radio!
Voip isn't radio and I don't care !!!!!!!!!
Voip isnt ham radio Voip enhances our hobby
((( I )) want to be on!! VOIP...
and if u don't like voip great I prob....
wont like u 2!!!!!!!!!!!
Voip isnt ham radio Voip enhances our hobby
Na n na na naaa naaa
Raspberries............
KJØL
and I approve this message!!!!!!!!
--
Evil only survives when Good Men step back and do nothing!
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by KB7LYM on October 19, 2004
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This can NOT be true !! I looked up KK7AC and there on his glorious sheet of paper he got Echolink mentioned. Even will take the QSL Cards if you want to send them.
Then ( its more an Encyclopedia ) you can scroll through his articles. How to pour cement . Load a 45 caliber handgun. A small script of his fine work is here displayed. But L@@K up KK7AC yourself and see how one can puke about Echolink and at the same time rewards and promote its function.
Amazing to say the least. Would you trust a Used Car Salesman with those credentials ??
* 1911 type .45 auto pistols
* 12oz Flat-top beer can collection
* Bass guitar -1962 vintage Hofner Beatle Bass
* Chevrolet and GMC trucks
* Historic Route 66
* St. Louis Cardinals baseball
* Hopi katchina doll collection
* Republican / Conservative politics
Yes folks REPUBLICAN Like BUSH Flip - Flop
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by K2IY on October 19, 2004
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Many non-DX'er or non-contesters Hams will spend thousands on linears and big arrays so they can rag chew with "arm chair" copy. Echolink let's them do it for very low cost.
But in all seriousness, when an Ecolink node is linked to a repeater, vhf'ers can monitor and work dx on those bands, possibly spurring interest in hf dx by techs. Since all echolink connections can potentially be linked to a repeater, all users are required to be amateur licensees and perform proper amateur procedures i.e. identify their calls etc.
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by WR8D on October 19, 2004
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I've been a ham now for 21 years. Extra for over 15 of that. I own a 2 meter repeater and have an echolink link on it. Tell the ham in his car in England talking on his 2 meter repeater which is linked to mine via echolink that we are not using ham radio. I'm driving around the WestVirginia county side talking with folks on the other side of the atlantic via my 2 meter machine. I don't go for the computer to computer link though. That is just to much like any of the net chat rooms, BUT!!! using it for a linking tool to actually link repeaters over vast distances is fantastic. Come on guys get your noses out of the clouds and try it. Really its no differant than a 440 or 220 link only it provides greater distances. Now for simpler terms. Hey dumbass, if you're talking on a 2 meter repeater and you hear a fellow break in that talks funny and says he's in Australia and he has his repeater linked into yours via echolink...guess what???? Thats amateur radio. "No pun intended about my friends in VK land, just using them to prove my point" they all say i have a worse accent than them anyway. hi hi "East Ky Hillbilly"
73 try to get along and have fun!
John WR8D
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by IW0GYT on October 19, 2004
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First I didn't wanna to reply because you know, I'm a troller and it seems that I started enough talking on eHam but after reading all of your replies I can't really believe how much stupidity I read.
Some says I'm a troller, some says I gotta grow up, some says I gotta have a real license (ehm sorry what you mean about that? I think I got a real license), some says it sounds like a democratic (oh no he's a Real Amateur Radio, not a troller of course)
I'm glad some of you got the message and just reply with their own opinion that I fully respect and read with interest.
Maybe some of you are just right telling eHam.Net to stop such topic like mine because it's so sad to read all those stupid things.
My article is very simple and extremely generic or generalized, my apologies to those who may take offense.
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by KK7AC on October 19, 2004
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Hey KB7LYM what is your issue? What does my other hobbies have do with the price of tea in China? So I have many other hobbies besides radio. I enjoy them. Playing my 1962 Hofner bass is fun. I enjoy old Americana like route 66 and big Detroit cars and trucks. I have a $27,000 beer can collection. And again what does this have to do with my stance on receiving QSL cards?? Do you not like 1911's or are you a Glock fan? This is brought up why?
A used car salesman? I dont buy cars from the used car side of the lot, so I guess I dont understand that comment? Im one of those evil SUV driving homophobes that carries a gun you know!
Anyway, IF YOU READ CAREFULLY my QRZ site I SAY NO TO QSL ON ECHOLINK! Get YOUR facts in line, or do you not get facts straight since you appear to be left leaning? That must be your M.O. "I voted for QSL cards before I voted aginst them"....
I SAY, as I say again, EVERY MODE HAS ITS PLACE. Every mode has advantages and disadvantages; a time to use them and other times they my not work at all. I have the luxury of having (and being licensed for) many "modes" and bands to use. I have constucted a well rounded, award winning station with good equipment. Its my choice. Sorry if that offends you. If all one wants to do is chase grids on 6, go for it. If one got a ticket to keep in touch with other family members around town on 70cm simplex. Great. I know hams that only operate 40 meter QRP. Some just operate CW. Some get into the hobby to experiment with only satellites. Others are "audiophiles" on 20 meter SSB. Some enjoy keeping in touch with other long lost ham friends on a VoIP mode while driving to work. Some can have it this way and dont complain and are happy with "one mode". I say on the QRZ to send QSL if I work you on a "true radio to radio" mode. I will not confirm a "contact" on my echolink station. Nor would I via a repeater contact either. I still use both modes; I wont "confirm" them is all. I endorse all forms of ham radio. Its what makes this hobby so powerful and fun.
However...
for those who gripe and b itch, should not put all eggs in one basket and "expect" to receive fullfilment or achivement in a large hobby such as ham radio. A IW station placed the post here. I simply replied. Hams (old and new alike) want to complain that -A. (old timer) things are not the same and anything other than CW is not real radio. -B. (new hams) code should be dropped since I find my local 2 meter repeater boring and I have kids and dont have time to study and want it handed to me. Or in the IW case, echolink BY ITSELF. I really dont care. I do it all. I just getting tired of this "Echolink sucks", "its not real radio" (even when two radios are joined), "I downloaded it and thought it was stupid", "its not what I thought it was so its dumb and shall be outlawed", "no one talks to me" comments.
I may be on the internet looking at one of my friends on APRS. The next minute I my answer a CQ on the 17 meter frequency I'm sitting on. That contact may have led to a discussion to the VU running long path on 20; and work him. An hour later I am talking to my uncle on echolink while driving to the store on my 70cm link. In other words, I may have enjoyed several "modes" within a small time frame.
You're stupid stabs at my political affilation and whimiscal commenting on other hobbies I have shows your true igrorance and mental capacity of that found in a 13 year old. I ask you to please re-read my QRZ to get your facts right before you attack me. Call me sometime on 18.160.. or can you?
GO CARDS!!
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by KK7AC on October 19, 2004
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Now I understand LYM's beef.....he's a Canadian. Are they like the French or something? Maybe the ACLU got him to vote.......
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by KG9IO on October 19, 2004
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To quote KK7AC:
"..If you want "cold", get on 75 meters sometime (Oh, you cant I forgot, your waiting for the hand out"
When did you upgrade to Extra?
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by IW0GYT on October 19, 2004
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I wanna stop this stupid and useless polemic but I just wanna give a message to all the italian or better european HAM, you maybe just don't have to contact KK7AC because this is what he thinks about Europe:
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From: andy smith <kk7ac@hotmail.com>
WHAT!?!?! Dont e-mail to chastize me on politics! What do you care anyway, you live in degenerated Europe for hells sake. We dont care what problems you are having there. We helped in WW2 from all in Europe from being turned into a lapshade or speaking German. So politcal talk from a mini-country bores me not ham radio related things. I cant help I was born in the greatest country on earth! Listen Fabio or what ever, I'm not a "troll" nor did I accuse you of being one either. Just dont expect to download a program and call it ham radio and generalize its wonderful attributes. Hey if you dont have time to study for a license, then thats your problem. Dont expect the rest of us to lower the standards so others can "catch up". F that as you would say.
Sorry and thanks for the read. 73 my friend.
KK7AC, Andrew Smith
Echolink node 5571
Oro Valley Arizona
From: "Fabrizio Gaucci" <fgaucci@hotmail.com>
To: kk7ac@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:14:38 +0200
Dear Andrew,
I'm sorry that I bored you with my typing on Eham.net (if you sometimes don't remember I'm IW0GYT) and just wanna take a couple of your precious time to explain that:
1) I didn't mean to troll or whatever;
2) I didn't mean to judge others "modes" beyond HF
3) I use regularly Echolink listening US repeaters (or european) and had nice talks about radio on that
4) last but not least I didn't wanted you to puke
What I tried to communicate using that web site is something that maybe you and others just
didn't get, I personally don't care about that, I just wanna let you know that I'm not waiting
for someone to hand out the license because I've already had my fn' license and you should
also think that some people don't have time to apply for CW exam (what you call "a real license") just because MAYBE there're a tons of real sucking problems that we have to face.
I see you put inside politic topic, maybe you're a real troll and you never realized that.
Thanx for reading and take care.
Fabrizio
IW0GYT
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by KC7GNM on October 20, 2004
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So you have time to get on echolink but you don't have time to study for the code to upgrade. Seems to me everyone is right. You want a handout to get on HF. I agree with the others here. Get off echolink if you want to get on HF and start talking long distance. I think you are lazy and cheap. You don't want to take the time to study and you don't want to spend the money or take the time to build you an hf rig. I use Echolink sporatically to talk to a friend sometimes but I do not consider it radio. It is VOIP that is restricted to Ham Radio operators only. That is all it is.
Greg
KC7GNM
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by KF4VGX on October 20, 2004
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Fabrizio,
Echolink is not cold,nor is HF . Nor is any aspects of amateur radio.
What is cold is a few people in amateur radio, who feel the need to control what others enjoy with their Hobby.
My point is no matter what one likes there are still a few that feel you must do as they tell you to do.
While I enjoy Echolink ,I get a kick out of slow scan tv.
Do as you please,its your Hobby.
When you get on HF look me up I'll be there too.
73 KF4VGX
Whats the last thing that goes through a bugs mind before it hits the windshield? His A$$.
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Mama Mia Pizzeria !! : )
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by G3SEA on October 20, 2004
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Mama Mia ! Pizzeria !!! :) As they say in Italy, " Basta,Basta ! " Fabrizio :)
My Class A licence has Extra Class reciprocal priviledges in the USA but due to CCR restrictions I
have been using EchoLink for over a year.
Every one of the 1'000 odd contacts with all U.S. States,all Canadian Provinces and some 72 countries have been ' warm' and friendly,educational and fun.
I agree that QSL's are not valid on EchoLink.
Make no mistake,Europe & the U.K. owe a huge debt of gratitude to the USA. Read your history books :)
73 & Aloha :)
Paul KH6/G3SEA
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by W3DCG on October 21, 2004
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Mama Mia, Hold Your Fire!, let's warm this thing back up...
Geez, let's all garner a vessel of our favorite beverage, whether it's Tea, Coffee, Gin, Tequila, a robust full-bodied garnet colored Cabernet or other black grape variety, Vodka, Coke, Diet Coke, Pepsi, Mountain Dew, or Yerba Mate.
Everybody back up to when we were taking our exams, and the questions that related to the answers:
To advance the state of the art.
To promote international goodwill.
Ahhhhh, yessss, brother and sisterly love if ya'll dare recall.
For the record- I think VoIP is a definite enhancement.
The new Kenwood radios are Plug and Play ready for you to work your rig from the office, or where ever you are with your Laptop within distance of good bandwidth Internet throughput connection, wireless or other.
An enhancement. That friends and neighbors, is- awesomely long control head cords to your radio.
How does that hurt?
73.
PS, due to this promotion of International Goodwill thing, and within the climate of the Terror Wars,
I think we all ought to refrain from political ramblings and commentaries on these posts. You know, Democrat vs Republican, Right, Left, moderate, moderately insane, amazingly nuts, unbelievably stupid-nonsensical-short-sighted plus moronic.
I find it remarkable, that even during other countries' election years, we don't have our friends from across the pond or the borders- ranting about their political viewpoints, here on these posts. The more I think about it, the more remarkable it is.
Cheers!
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by N3YRW on October 21, 2004
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It saddens me to see hams argue over things. Everybody is entitled to their opion. Leave it at that. This article ask about echolink and if you can’t direct your answer to that particular question then don't answer at all. Who ever raised you should have taught you that if you have nothing nice to say then keep quiet! Hams are supposed to spread good will and friendly conversation.
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by VO1AAC on October 22, 2004
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IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A QUALITY QSO THEN CALL US AT VO1RCR
US GUYS HANG AROUND THIS REPEATER AND WE JUST RAG CHEW. SOMETIMES OUR TALKS ARE FUNNY SOME TIMES THERE TECH AND SOMETIMES SERIOUS. BUT ALWAYS AN ENJOYABLE EXPEANCE> 73's FOR NOW AND DONT FORGET TO CALL AND SAY HELLO AT VO1RCR NODE # 180234 in St John's Newfoundland
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by KB1LMO on October 23, 2004
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Wow,
such division and angst!
Here's my dime.
I am VERY new to the hobby, but have been following it since I was a kid. Now that I've obtained my ticket, a lowly no code, I am looking forward to ALL the modes available to me.
I have a Yaesu VX-5R, my first rig, and a couple of other projects. Let me tell you about them.
The first project is a Hallicrafters SR-32AC, a rig I can't even find info about on the net. Seems kind of rare in that sense. 6 and 2 AM will be nice.
After that I start on the B&W 5100, just to get ready for the General ticket I'm studying for.
To go with that I have to rebuild a National NC-98.
Mmmmmm-mmm, nothing like tubes. Boat anchors rule.
And just to round out the HF gear is a TS-520S.
I bring these into the conversation to show that I am not just a digital freak, I have some serious interest in making some real DX here.
But the real meat and potatos for this winter will be the GE MASTR II 2 meter repeater I have. I mention this because it ties directly into this thread.
How is this? I am going to hook this puppy up to a RigBlaster NOMIC and let the world talk to Boston on 2 through this T-1 I got.
Why bother? 2 reasons:
1) I am a Senior Unix System Administrator for a large financial corporation and I LOVE working with systems.
2) At work all I have is a 5 watt HT, not the best rig to contact my friends in Ca with for lunch.
So I am doing what comes naturally to any tech savvy person, I'm using everything at my disposal to achieve my ends.
In this case I want to talk to my friends in Ca from work/park/car/train/wherever without draggin around 75 pounds of gear.
A bonus of this is that Brookline gets another repeater for general use, and it's one they can get to from anywhere they can install some software (like their parents house, or maybe work, or maybe a non ham friends pad in another state, etc.).
It's an enhancement, get it?
If some of the vintage key's out there are threatened by this, that's ok. I'll be chewing the rag with them on 20 soon enough as it is. Probably on gear just like theirs.
In the meantime look for my repeater next spring on IRLP and you might even get to talk to some of my neighbors with that HT you've got stashed in the kitchen drawer.
So in conclusion it's not a conspiracy, it's not a replacement, no one here ever said it was radio (but it more than doubles the usefulness of my HT). So it seems that if your intimidated by VOIP and the equipment used to run it then don't use it.
And stop being snobs. AM, CW, FM, SSB, Digital, Amateur Radio is a service that encourages experimentation. I got that line straight from the 2005 ARRL Handbook.
I know I said dime, but you got a buck. Loosen up.
KB1LMO
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by KF4VGX on October 23, 2004
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KB1LMO ,
Your dime was well spent. Thank you for being in our amateur ranks.
KF4VGX
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by VK3JED on October 28, 2004
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I have to agree with KB1LMO. I've been around for 15 years, and dabbled in a number of modes - HF, satellites, SSTV, PSK-31 and others. CW is something I would like to get to know better, but I did get my 5WPM from the outset.
I work in networking and IT, so VoIP was a natural area for me to get into, and I've spent much of my ham time in working on VoIP systems. That said, I'm not much of a fan of using Echolink from a PC - RF is definitely more fun, but the PC mode does have its uses, like in the office, where I can't reach any RF links with a HT. I can listen to nets while I work (can't talk back, mic in the laptop is stuffed :( ).
Anyway, since I prefer RF, I setup IRLP, Echolink and WIRES-II on my repeater, and have invested a lot of time in improving the VoIP art and understanding how best to use the new medium. Also, as I travel to work via public transport, VoIP from a HT is much more convenient than lugging a HF rig and antenna, and it's more likely to yield a positive result.
As for VoIP being "cold", I've had plenty of fulfilling contacts. The VK "virtual pub" on IRLP, the Echolink Linux/open source net, and the Hawaiian AuAu net on IRLP are examples of places where you will receive a warm welcome. And I received a very warm response to the assistance I gave to the hurricane relief effort this year.
Will VoIP replace HF? No! In fact, given the vast distances and low population density of much of Australia, HF and VoIP are beginning to team up to bring the best of both modes together for remote stations in the Outback, or the Tasmanian wilderness.
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by KK7AC on October 29, 2004
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O my God. I cant believe Fabio! I have not been on e-ham for about a week and this is what I see?! He posted an e-mail I sent him?? Have you lost it? Wow you sure know how to bring things to a new low. No one cares anyway. Well what ever floats your boat I guess. Out of respect I did not post the other e-mail you sent me asking if I was married and I "sure do look cute" on my website pictures. Very gross. I'm a straight man. But I wont tell anymore here. Its not the place to post personnal e-mails.
OK Europe you saw it. You read a bit of history on WW2. Sorry if that offends. That is the truth. All would be speaking German or turned into a lampshade or tossed into an oven if it were not for the US intervention. Its a fact. I was just trying to get crybaby Fabio from IW land to stop complaining about his plite. Enuff' already.
As Fabio said to all the good EU hams, "you no worry contact KK7AC again". Thats a very true staement my homo friend.....you all have been denied on my echolink station....one of the great things about echolink is the ability to "refuse" certain calls or geographic areas. (Try that on your HF rig!) Only a hand full can now "contact" me on my Echolink. I dont use my Echolink station for DX anyway. It a VoIP radio mode to me.
Fabio. I dont care "dont worry about contacting KK7AC"; I have 56 EU countries confirmed on 172 HF bands, why would I want to talk to Europe anymore? Remember girlyman I have a 202 DXCC mixed count with 97 on 20 meters, 90 on 15 meters, 85 on 17 meters and 96 on 10 meters.
How many EU countries do you have confirmed??
KK7AC
node 5571 (K-K-7-one)
446.500
Oro Valley AZ
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by N1XV on October 29, 2004
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VOIP is not radio! So I dont give a damn!!! 73! Vaughn-N1XV
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by KK7AC on October 29, 2004
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.....Ya, but it kinda is when you have radios on either end; even if you dont give a damn, its true....
Welcome to today. Get with the program.
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by N1XV on October 29, 2004
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Oh, I'm with the programme. Just not the computer programme. VOIP is nothing more than an internet tool that has nothing to do with amatuer radio other than hams using it for moving information. Oh and Im sure I'm younger than you at 38 years old and proud to be a cw elitist. So when you decide to stop toying around with nano internet citizens band and actually get on the radio let me know so you and I can have a real conversation that is if you know cw. 73 de N1XV Helena,Montana (rare state).
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by KK7AC on October 29, 2004
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No. I'm 33. I like CW too. In fact I'm one of those who dropped ARRL because of their willingness to "giveaway" and dis the Generals and Advanced. (I know, I know the FCC has the final say, but when the membership is not being heard..).
You are very mistaken in that it is not ham radio. Again, if 2 radios are connected, using ham radio frequencies it is. It has brought to life 2 HT's I had stuffed in a drawer. Caused me to purchase and upgrade UHF base and mobile equipment. It has drawn ham radio interest to me. It is nice to see the computer, radio and now the internet work as one. Yes VoIP is a medium to carry a signal from point A to point B, but as long as ham radio is on the other side, then what is it? It has added an entirely new dimension to an otherwise dead simplex channel or repeater. "Conventional" repeaters are a thing of the past.
I also see this as simply another means to communicate. Is is to replace or topple another mode? No. It really is the future in radio. I work at a professional level in public safety communications. As sure as I am sitting here, high band communications is migrating or looking into the wonders of VoIP; either via the internet or microwave. Its here to stay. It has taken "noninteroperability" and put it to bed.
Should people confirm contacts made on IRLP or Echolink, or just as stupid yet call CQ? - Ua, no.
Montana rare? I have found Montana kinda easy actually. Nevada, N and S Dakota, and Wyoming as I recall seem to be the tough ones. I have confirmed MT on 5 bands. Not many counties confirmed however; my records only show Cascade, Daniels, Deer Lodge, Flathead, Gallatin, Hill, Missoula, Ravalli and Stillwater...so if you are in a county other than the ones mentioned, sure, I would love to work you ....because I can -to answer your last question SmrtA**.
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by KB1LMO on October 29, 2004
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Wow N1XV,
you sure are a bitter young fart!
Elitist too. I can understand your pride in your accomplishments, and hope that some day soon I too can make claim to a QSO list like yours or most of the peoples here, but doesn't it seem like the nastiness and poor attitude you are showing here are the real problem of the service right now? Arrogance is distastful where ever it is encountered. And it is counter to what being a ham is alll about. It seems to me that hams who want to be arrogant a**'s and treat othere members of the community like dirt should just relenquish their tickets and go pick up a Cobra, at least they would be in with a group of like minds, huh there good buddy, roger roger 10-4.
KB1LMO
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by AE6IP on October 29, 2004
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> Not many counties confirmed however; my records only
> show Cascade, Daniels, Deer Lodge, Flathead,
> Gallatin, Hill, Missoula, Ravalli and
> Stillwater...so if you are in a county other than
> the ones mentioned, sure, I would love to work you
Helena is in Lewis and Clark County, so you haven't confirmed it yet. Next time I'm home, I'll see if I can borrow someone's station and give you Silver Bow.
Not surprised you have trouble with Nevada. Awful close to you, since many of the hams seem to be in Vegas or Boulder City. Kinda surprised you're having trouble with North and South Dakota. W0HOG is on 40m a lot from SD and several SD and ND hams check in to the 40m WAS nets pretty often.
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by VO1AAC on October 30, 2004
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IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A QUALITY QSO THEN CALL US AT VO1RCR
US GUYS HANG AROUND THIS REPEATER AND WE JUST RAG CHEW. SOMETIMES OUR TALKS ARE FUNNY SOME TIMES THERE TECH AND SOMETIMES SERIOUS. BUT ALWAYS AN ENJOYABLE EXPEANCE> 73's FOR NOW AND DONT FORGET TO CALL AND SAY HELLO AT VO1RCR NODE # 180234 in St John's Newfoundland
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by W3PT on November 6, 2004
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Our club has had node 7060 operational on a high profile 2 meter repeater for 2 1/2 years. It really is great for people that cannot erect antennas. Hams in assisted living facilities in our area have an outlet using only a hand held.
It has it's place the same as the other VOIP systems.
Regards,
Bob, W3PT
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by VE1HE on July 18, 2005
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Our organization ARICC.org was trying to do just that on echolink, unite the various countries and motivate the guys to start QSOs and round tables by linking conferences together to promote communications.
Yesterday myself and another ham asked to host two new conference servers on echolink and not only were were denied the request but also banned from Echolink for trying to do good.
On Echolink, everything goes through one man. He is GOD and you better not know him because he won't forget about you.
Incidently, I now think there should be an owner-independant platform that all could use to communicate and where everyone could feel welcomed. Until then, I give up on our project to unite the world of ham radio into one big brotherhood of hams unless someone talented comes along and offers to reinvent a better wheel.
Alternately, I had a great talk with K5JD who runs eQSO. Very nice man. Too bad there are not more stations on that software. The voice quality is so much nicer and warm there.
How cold is Echolink? I let you guys be the judge.
Pierre, VE1HE
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by VE1HE on August 31, 2005
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My problem has been fixed.
These guys at echolink aren't as bad as depicted in my previous post.
There is a god after all.
I'm back in business. Sorry for the rant.
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