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K1MAN: Time for a Strategy

Bernie Skoch (K5XS) on November 27, 2004
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K1MAN: It's Time for a Strategy

What a mess. Glenn Baxter is asserting his “right” to broadcast from his Maine station K1MAN. Operating under his interpretation of Section 97.111 (b)(6), Glenn apparently believes that tying up frequencies for hours on end for the propagation of his views is justified as a “Transmission necessary to disseminate information bulletins.” To those who have challenged him, he has offered a 15 year-old letter as proof of the legitimacy of his practices.

In my opinion, the situation is bringing out the worst in us. As I type this, listening on 14.275 MHz, I have heard eight instances of the word “moron” on his call-in show (from both him and his callers), along with a stream of diatribe from Glenn on the corrupt FCC, the corrupt ARRL, how horrible QRZ.COM is for dropping his listing, the right to free speech, and the Riley Hollingsworth “brown-shirts.” Operators who disagree with Glenn are causing malicious interference, belching; swearing; transmitting obscenities, music and sound effects; and arguing on frequency. As an amateur, I am embarrassed by a display of what I had once thought was to be found only on rare occasions on 20 or 75 meters but more frequently on 11 meters.

It is my opinion that Glenn's purpose in all this is to satisfy some emotional need. I have no axe to grind with him and have swapped respectful emails with him, but am unable to figure out what motivates his behavior. I am concerned that the mess is out of hand. He and those who are arguing with him are portraying our service in a horrible light to both the FCC and any members of the public who may be listening, and are jeopardizing our standing with the commission. I want to do something about it.

It seems to me we have a few options (and there are no doubt others I'm not smart enough to think of):

First, we can continue with what we are doing. K1MAN keeps broadcasting, and some of us keep responding by argumentatively participating in his call-in shows while others keep jamming him. I can't for the life of me think of a positive outcome of this approach, aside from Glenn enjoying the contention he is creating. But the negative consequences are clear to me: We cede frequencies to his use, we lose even more credibility with the FCC, and our image is tarnished with the public.

Second, we could take a proactive effort to completely ignore Glenn. As effective as I think a “boycott” could be, I doubt it would work, though, since some will inevitably be tempted to continue their attacks on Glenn for the harm they believe he is doing to the amateur service. And I believe the harm is real from both Glenn and those who are reacting on the air.

Third, we might make an overt effort at persuasion, flooding Glenn with sincere e-mails, letters, and faxes,) respectfully asking him to stop his broadcasts for the good of the amateur service. I doubt we would succeed in changing his mind, but there might be value in letting him know exactly how damaging we think his operation is.

Fourth, we might look carefully and petition for more restrictive provisions in Section 97.111 (b)(6). Glenn broadcasts for longer periods than even the ARRL (whose broadcasts I do find useful). Should we petition for a one-hour limit, except when a condition of emergency is declared by the FCC? Should we petition for a rule change to require approval by endorsement for stations that transmit bulletins, and to make their approval contingent on a determination by the FCC of serving the greater good of the amateur community? I am generally opposed to problem solving by rule or statute, but this is one case that I truly believe warrants a solution.

And fifth, should we start a campaign to ask the FCC to do something—anything—to make the broadcasts go away? I was surprised and disappointed in reading recently that the FCC had received “dozens” of complaints regarding K1MAN. Would we help rid ourselves of this mess by bringing hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands of complaints to the FCC?

I am open to other suggestions, and maybe the consensus here will be that we do nothing. I hope not, as I truly think this mess is ugly, is getting uglier, and is doing irreparable harm to amateur radio.

73,

Bernie K5XS

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K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by X-WB1AUW on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Heard a rumor that www.QRZ.COM was running the K1MAN diatribe and flamefest.

Bob
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WA2JJH on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
How about RTTY contest a 200hz-1khz from K1MANS freq.
Just hve lots of legal QSO's right near him. His fans with have to deal with his not so clear chanel.

Have RTTY and SSTV contest. This is not jaming. All the QSO's are legit.

He will not have may casual listeners
 
Godfather Strategy  
by K7LA on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Make him an offer he can't refuse.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by KB9YGD on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Hi Bernie.I Dont Think There Is A Simple Answer To This.When I Was First licensed I Thought That Hams Could Do No Wrong But Now No Better.There Are Good Decent People & Then There Are People Who Have No values,In The Neighborhood,Supermarket,Workplace,etc You See Them, Its no Diferent With Hams Some Are Nice Some Are Not And Look What We As A Socity Have Let Happen To Television.Our Country Is Becoming Used To Imoral Behaivor And It May Just Become Our Downfall.I Agree K1man Has No Right To Do What He Is Doing And Its Up To The FCC to Stop It Not Us.73,Norm
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by KI9A on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Let me get this straight..this assclown K1MAN threatens folks who jam him with legal action, but, it's OK for him fire up over an ongoing QSO?

I like the SSTV contest thought, seriously.

Also, I encourage you guys who dislike him as much as I, to look at his website, & email EVERY business that is advertised on it, & tell them you will not be doing business with them because they support baxter.

I did already, just waiting for responses.

73-Chuck KI9A

Anyone for a SSTV sked at 14.274.5? ;-)
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WY3X on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The one thing I find curious about Mr. Baxter's broadcasts is his propensity to issue "felony interference warnings" to those who interfere with his broadcasts. Clearly, "real" broadcast stations who are on 40M and share the band with U.S. hams are not receiving any protection from interference, so why should Mr. Baxter be any different? I'm certain there is a valid explanation- I'd just like to know what it is...

-KR4WM
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4RAF on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The FCC are backed into a corner on this?

The fact the ARRL does the very same thing leaves no wiggle room to go after one & not the other. It is my feeling that anyone who can't see there is no difference under Part 97 is being intentionally blind. I feel the ARRL is more commercial in interest because K1MAN doesn't push books, CD's, videotapes & a memebership for "Members ONLY" information on his website. They also use commercial power amps on far more frequencies tha MAN.

Try using the ARRL "search engine" & look up "beverage antenna". You quickly get the jist of my point. It is "pu$hing" plain & simple.

If one goes, the other must go or we are not equal under Part 97 law & K1MAN can file an appeal on that unfair policy alone.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by N9GQR on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I may not agree with him but I believe K1MAN has the right to broadcast bulletins the same as W1AW. I do listen and I enjoy the news part of the bulletins but the callers that call in is when I sometimes have to tune away. I listen to some of the people who think that K1MAN is doing something illegal and just try and talk right over his broadcast. I've heard them talking and waiting for his broadcast to start so they then encourage the others to write to Riley and complain of how K1MAN started broadcasting right over top of them. QRZ was childish by taking his call out of their database and in turn supporting the ones that do the qrming of his station. QRZ should of just stayed out of the fray. All I know is that K1MAN is legal and his QRMers are not even though they might think different. The only way to solve the problem is for the FCC to mandate bulletins to broadcast only certain times of the day...Good Idea!
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by KE9UW on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Well...anybody who can't see the difference between the ARRL and K1MAN is intentionally blind I think. I don't think that the ARRL does the vary same thing at all. The ARRL is a class act, a positive influence for ham radio, and K1MAN is not. What do you say let's vote on it instead of being fair. I'm tired of being fair and putting up with a lot of the polution we have on the bands. I vote for ARRL (commercial interests and all) and not K1MAN. I vote for Riley too.
Chuck, KE9UW
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by N4ZOU on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K1MAN, ARRL, and Pactor robot stations that all do the same thing with the exception of Winlink 2000 and FBB encrypted protocol so no one can see the for profit business mail (and maybe kiddy porn as no one can read it except the person who sent it and the person it was addressed to). They crank up there automated no operator present stations and blast the frequency with crap not caring who they transmit on top of already using that frequency. The truth of the mater is that these broadcast stations are no longer required. The Internet has many sites that carry this same information that is open to all. (Except the ARRL, which limits access to only their members. They even pulled there magazine off the racks so only paying members could see it. Is this really a non-profit origination?) The FCC has already lowered our status as simply a hobby with casual traffic between amateur radio operators no different than the CB service and FRS/GMRS operations. Our emergency services are being taken over by the Cell phone companies at a rapid rate for good or bad. If the ARRL can broadcast in CW, Digital, and Phone modes than anyone should and are able to do it. Either get rid of all broadcast and automated station operation or allow anyone who wants to do this type of operating which is what we have going on now. The ARRL only represents a minority of about 20% of licensed amateur radio operators. This fact alone does not give the ARRL a mandate to broadcast to the other 80% that could care less about this (non-profit?) origination.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WA4MJF on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Let the FCC and the US Attorney
for ME handle it. I think his rope
is about strung out based on what I
read. Sooner rather than later the
U S Marshals will visit him, I think.

Also, resist the urge to listen to him.
I don't, the only time I've heard him lately
was on 14.300 threatening the MMSN with
felony interference charges (which I
sure Paula Sibling won't entertain).
They did the right thing and ignored him.

Happy Holidaze!

73 de Ronnie
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K6BBC on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I can’t believe one station can cause such consternation amongst so many. First, he is doing nothing different than W1AW. Second, his content is irrelevant as it is protected speech. Third, a slight spin of the dial and he no longer exist in ones mind.

Frankly, with our hobby under such fire from BPL, an aging population, declining numbers and interest, and a general malaise, there are far more important issues to ponder.

K6BBC
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WIRELESS on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This is just a stupid little hobby that means nothing. And its interesting how one idiot can push the buttons on alot of idiots and they don't even know it!
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K0RFD on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I wouldn't worry too much about K1MAN, although the "broadcasting" issue is made somewhat more difficult by W1AW's precedent. If one wants to use that issue, it's reduced to whose subject matter is of general interest to Amateur Radio, sort of a gray area. However, if you read the latest two warning letters, the FCC seems to have zeroed in on the "pecuniary interest" and control operator issues and seems be spooling out rope to Mr. Baxter at a very measured and deliberate pace. K1MAN's license comes up for renewal next year. Anybody want to wager whether it will be renewed automatically?
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WA3LGG on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
if you think K1MAN is causing interference, wait until BPL hits your neighborhood....
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by N1ZHE on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I'm glad I live far enough away from him that I never hear him, but too close to hear him, too!

David, N1ZHE
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by N5EAT on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I have disparate feelings about the broadcasts of K1MAN. I have often been on an unused frequency when some inconsiderate boob has told me to move because "we've had a net on this frequency for X years", or they simply
talk over me. I do not believe that the ham bands are operated under "land rush squatter's rights" principles.

If a net for any purpose meets on or near a frequency, they should always move up or down a suitable amount if their meeting frequency is in use. This is just common courtesy. I don't keep a list of nets and their frequencies on the HF bands. Most people don't. We know where the nets are because we've been bumped or transmitted over by said insiderate boobs. The good of the many, here, does not outway the good of the few, or the one(apologies to Leonard Nimoy). If emergency conditions don't exist, and all that's happening is check-in's and other minimally important radio activities, MOVE TO A CLEAR FREQUENCY before you just take one because you've squatted upon it previously. If your net members are too dumb to find you, you and your net are probably incapable of doing anything worthwhile anyway.

If the "ham news" station and K1MAN can't coexist on the same frequency, the INTELLIGENT net will move to a clear frequency and conduct business there. I think I can find both of you with little effort. And if both of you aren't on the same frequency, I'll be able to just hear the one of you i'm interested in.

K1MAN should adjust his frequency before he starts jabbering on 14.275 when the newsguys are on.
If the frequency is clear, he should ramble on until enough complaints result in a fine being levied upon him.

If we get 2 or 3 more of "him" on frequency, then we've got a problem with broadcasting and the FCC needs to get involved. I'm not sticking up for the guy, I think he's sometimes an "inconsiderate boob" and wish he'd blow his finals and go away. He appears to be very impressed with himself, and feels it necessary to inflict his "organization" upon us. There are many like him in the world. I'm just thankful he's not a gun nut and isn't shooting things at regular intervals.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by KX8N on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
You know that big knob on your radios? If you turn that thing, it will change your operating frequency. Anybody ever consider USING it?

If you know where K1MAN IS, then you also know where he's NOT. We've got plenty of spectrum, and not enough hams using it. Finding a clear frequency shouldn't be that hard, now should it?
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
First, there is no comparison between K1MAN and ARRL. ARRL is THE legitimate national Amateur organization. K1MAN's little pretense for an organization is laughable, and is obviously merely a pretense to try to make his broadcasting sound legitimate. It is not, and in no way compares with W1AW.

Second, we have already voted on K1MAN. Over 95% of hams online agreed with the decision to take him off QRZ.com. That's way more than a landslide.

Third, he "publishes" his so-called schedule. Just start a QSO on 14.275 five minutes before his "schedule". If you do that, it will make his broadcasts even more illegal if he goes ahead and transmits. Of course, that won't stop him, he even had the terimity to broadcast over some Boy Scouts, then claim they were interfering with him. What a lid!!

Amateur Radio has a unique ability to enhance international goodwill. That is in the regs, and one of the reasons we have the frequencies we do. K1MAN is seriously damaging that facet of Amateur radio and should be taken off for that if no other reason. But there are plenty of other reasons. I hope he is off soon.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by W6TH on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!



Why not leave him alone and find something else to complain about.

We don't need bounty hunters on ham radio. That is what we have the FCC for.

Let us judge ourselves and leave others alone. Who wants to throw the first stone?

.: W6TH.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K6BBC on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"Second, we have already voted on K1MAN. Over 95% of hams online agreed with the decision to take him off QRZ.com. That's way more than a landslide."

Yeah, and the German's votes Hitler into office. What does that prove?

K6BBC
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WY3X on November 27, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I almost forgot to mention- I heard someone on Mr. Baxter's "talk show" a couple of days ago ask "how many members are there in your organization, the AARA?". Mr. Baxter responded that "in order to find out, you must join AARA and become a member!" The "privilege" of joining the AARA costs $35, as advertised on his website. If that isn't blatantly commercial, I don't know what is!

-KR4WM
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by N9WB on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This happened back in the 70s with another amateur. I don’t know what happened, but he is gone. The thing that hurt Amateur credibility worse than anything was the other Amateurs that committed rules violations trying unsuccessfully to stop him. They could not seem to understand that they were just feeding his ego.

I had a novice ticket then and a friend and I were studying the code together to get the 13 WPM for our generals. We used to come across this frequency and sarcastically joke that we were going to all this work to get our tickets so we could participate in this mess.

When a non-amateur observer passes by K1MAN, they view him as an unfortunate nut case. It is when they observe the jamming and emotional carrying on by others, that they question the credibility of Amateur Radio in general.

Don’t jam K1MAN or become part of the problem in any way. Also do not set him up. He already makes the case against himself well.

Here is the solution. When he does cause you a problem mail or fax a signed complaint to Riley Hollingsworth. Be specific, not emotional. State what rules violations occurred and how it adversely affected your legal pursuit of your Amateur Radio operation. These things take time, but with the proper arsenal of signed complaints, along with data the FCC is compiling themselves, Riley will eventually put an end to this problem. This can be done without new restrictive regulations.

Again, don’t be part of the problem. Show the observers that the Amateur Community by and large can behave in a disciplined and professional manner. K1MAN’s actions alone cannot seriously harm Amateur Radio. It is those who participate in the chaos that cause the credibility of Amateur Radio in the whole to be questioned.

Vy 73, Walt N9WB
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by N6AYJ on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The same "strategy" should apply to the ARRL's broadcasts, too.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
N6AYJ: <The same "strategy" should apply to the ARRL's broadcasts, too. >

No, it shouldn't. ARRL's transmissions (not "broadcasts") are legitimate, serve a valid purpose and are 100% legal. K1MAN is broadcasting, W1AW is not. The difference is as night and day.
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K1CJS on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The following was taken from the ARRL website, in the news section, The FCC enforcement letters sent. It is probably just another salvo from the FCC, but it does threaten further measures.

I personally have not heard K1MAN and do not have a personal opinion of the man, but if he is breaking the regulations, as the FCC thinks he has, maybe he'll be off the air soon.
____________________

October 29, 2004

Mr. Glenn A. Baxter
RR 1 Box 776
Belgrade Lakes, ME 04918

RE: Warning Notice: Amateur Radio license K1MAN
Case #EB-2004-07

Dear Mr. Baxter:

On September 15, 2004, we notified you that we had received approximately a dozen complaints that your Amateur radio station's transmissions started while the communications of individual operators and groups such as the Salvation Army Team Emergency Radio Net, which was handling health and welfare traffic for this season's hurricane victims, were ongoing. The letter cited an April 14, 2004 warning issued to you about your transmissions starting while existing communications were ongoing, and warning you that your publishing a "transmission schedule" does not give you the right to begin transmitting on a certain frequency at a certain time if there are ongoing communications on that frequency.

Pursuant to Section 308(b) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, 47 U.S.C. Section 308(b), we requested you to respond to the letter within 20 days from receipt certifying: 1) what action(s) you are taking to correct the deficiencies in the operation of your station; and 2) specifying what method of station control you have implemented for your Amateur radio station transmissions.

Your response dated October 14, 2004, in which you stated that "No corrective actions are necessary at K1MAN" and "No changes are needed with regard to station control..." failed to furnish the information requested by the Commission.

In addition to the above mentioned complaints, we have received additional complaints of interference from your station's transmissions starting at 9:31 PM on 3.890 MHz on October 16, 2004; 6:23 PM on 3.800 MHz and 7:59 PM on 3.977 on October 19, 2004; and 7:59 PM on 3.977 MHz on October 20, 2004. We also note that, according to your web page, your station now transmits on 14.275 MHz from 11 PM until past 6 PM the following day.

We are affording you an additional 20 days from receipt of this letter to furnish the information requested in our September 15, 2004 letter.

Additionally, pursuant to Section 308(b) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, you are requested to provide the name, call sign, and address of the control operator(s) on the additional dates and times mentioned above (9:31 PM on 3.890 MHz on October 16, 2004; 6:23 PM on 3.800 MHz and 7:59 PM on 3.977 on October 19, 2004; and 7:59 PM on 3.977 MHz on October 20, 2004), and to describe the method of station control used each time the station was transmitting. You are also requested to furnish that information for the 19 hour transmissions recently begun on 14.275 MHz.

In an inquiry of this type we are required to notify you that a willfully false or misleading reply constitutes a separate violation made punishable under United States Code Title 18, Section 1001. Failure to reply also constitutes a separation violation of Commission rules.

CC: FCC Northeastern Regional Director
FCC Boston Office District Director

 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<Don’t jam K1MAN or become part of the problem in any way. >

I agree. That's why my suggestions were all legitimate, above board and legal. Your addition to say we should calmly document the problems and send to FCC are also good.

It's not a case of "turn the dial"... that's what I always do. But he IS a major wart on the face that the Amateur community (and US) present to the rest of the world. He needs to be taken off. And his rants against FCC, with the idiotic statements, could incite others.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<"Second, we have already voted on K1MAN. Over 95% of hams online agreed with the decision to take him off QRZ.com. That's way more than a landslide."

Yeah, and the German's votes Hitler into office. What does that prove? K6BBC>

It proves, OM, that the overwhelming majority of hams are in favor of legal operation, and want to see this obnoxious lid taken off. I, for one, sure was glad to see that. We don't live in a democracy (it's a democratic republic) but the majority usually does rule, unless they come up against a fundamental law.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by GHOSTRIDERHF on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
There is NOTHING the FCC can/will do or they would have done it already. I mean this guy has been going at it for 20 odd years...

There is NO difference in what the ARRL and K1MAN is doing -- except that ARRL gets paid allot more to do it...

If you don't like it spin off... I personally have only heard him once and thats becuase my autotuner locked onto him during a search since he had the most powerful signal...

Threatning him, emailing him, writing him, joining him, NOTHING is going to change what he is doing --

Getting him of the air would be like the argument 10 years ago to the FCC that 90% of the web was pornography and that it was the FCC responsiblity to clean it up -- YEAH RIGHT --

Just think of K1MAN as our airwave pornography -- you have two choices -- listen or don't ... I choose to not...

BIG KNOB - SPIN IT to the LEFT OR RIGHT ....

BIG KNOB - SPIN IT to the LEFT OR RIGHT ....

BIG KNOB - SPIN IT to the LEFT OR RIGHT ....
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K1CJS on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
From Ghostriderhf:

"There is NOTHING the FCC can/will do or they would have done it already. I mean this guy has been going at it for 20 odd years...

There is NO difference in what the ARRL and K1MAN is doing -- except that ARRL gets paid allot more to do it..."

I think you'd be surprized.....

First, the FCC enforcement is coming back. It isn't anywhere near where it should be, but just give it time. Another thing the FCC is doing right now is finally going after Pilot truckstops and travelcenters for the sale of Amateur rigs that can be converted to CB use. That has benn going on for years and years too. Pilot has now been fined for that practice.

As far as the ARRL, yes, it can be seen to be the same thing they are doing as MAN is doing, but there is a difference. The ARRL is doing their bit for their organization and for what the FCC sees as legal and lawful support of amateur radio. K1MAN is doing his bit for.....K1MAN and only K1MAN. Does he do anything for amateur radio? Yes, he uses it for his gains and his ego, but he doesn't do what the ARRL does at all.

Don't get me wrong, I have no argument with MAN, and I don't agree with everything the ARRL does, either. But the tide of popular opinion seems to be that K1MAN is a nuisance and a thorn in the foot of ham radio while some of the ARRL policies and actions are an annoyance, and when asked which one of the two does better for ham radio, the ARRL wins every time.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by AC0H on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
QRZ.com were within their rights to boot him off their website. Free speech doesn't have anything to do with it.

If you come into my house and act like K1MAN did on QRZ.com I'm perfectly within my rights to boot your ass to the curb. Since QRZ.com is a privately held operation they have the right to decide what goes on inside their "house". So does E-Ham.net as a matter of fact.

There is a huge difference between the ARRL bulletins and what K1MAN does.

Firstly the ARRL doesn't operate some sort of sureal "call in show". They broadcast bulletins and timely information for all amateurs.

Secondly, the ARRL doesn't tie up one frequency for 19hrs, they broadcast the bulletins or code practice and get off. Equating what K1MAN does with the what the ARRL does with its bulletins is just childish.

I'm not the biggest ARRL advocate on this site by a long shot and think they've got some explaining to do on a couple of issues, especially the entire joke that was the adhoc digital committee and the sell out to WinLink.

 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by KB1JCY on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Tatical thermonuclear weapons. To kill a cockroach, you have to get its nest. :evil:
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WA2RCB on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The short-term corrective action for anyone who does not care to listen to the K1MAN Broadcast(s) is to turn the VFO dial to another frequency. Easy, is it not? No different than switching the channel on the cable TV or the car radio. K1MAN is only occupying one freq. on the HF band at any given time so I do not consider his activities a major issue to ham radio. I am more concerned with the many foreign multi-KW AM shortwave broadcasts clogging-up the 40 Meter band for many years now. Also too the AM Shortwave Broadcasts on the high-end 75 Meters in the evening. Now there's a broadcast-related issue to which I can expend energy and take umbrage with!
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WILLY on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
by WIRELESS on November 27, 2004

"
This is just a stupid little hobby"

I don't think it is stupid. Thousands of others will agree with me on that - want to bet?

It is certainly not "little". There are a few hundred thousand licensees. That suffices to be not little.


"that means nothing."

Obviously, it means quite a bit to many that take their time to share their opinions with others here.
To the many thousands that do not post here, yet spend many hours and dollars on the hobby, I doubt that they think it means "nothing" either.


"And its interesting how one idiot"

There you go - you got one right. He sure is an idiot. Apparently the vast majority agree, and would like to see some official action taken agaisnt him.


"can push the buttons on alot of idiots and they don't even know it! "

Interesting.
"alot" is, according to www.dictionary.com, not even a word. It is found only as an acronym. Yet you call other concerned hams idiots? People who live in glass houses ......
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by W6TH on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!


With all that is going on in this United States of America, concerning our Senators, House of Representatives and Congress, you hams concentrate on one singled out ham K1MAN Mr.Baxter.

Mr. Baxter is not doing any more than what our past elected and non elected president for the United States have done in this past November.

As a matter of fact, all of these posts are doing exactly what Mr. Baxter is doing. Mr. Baxter is the answer to our problems.
Leave Mr. Baxter alone and tend to your own business.

Judge and you shall be judged. Liberty or death.

.:
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K6BBC on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K4JF,

I believe in motherhood, the flag, and America – what does that prove? It really does not matter what a majority of hams think, that’s why we are governed by laws. And it’s a good thing. Imagine what this country would be like if the majority had its way, sans laws.

K1MAN’s fate is note in the hands of his fellow amateurs. If the FCC and court system deems his operation illegal, so be it. But he, as an American, is entitled to due process just as everyone else is and this vigilante attitude that is expressed over Amateur Radio from time to time is unbecoming to the hobby.

Frankly, I believe he gets so this amount of attention because so many are just plain bored with the hobby. Otherwise, why would someone listen hour after hour?

K6BBC
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WILLY on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
by K6BBC on November 28, 2004

"...
that’s why we are governed by laws."

Yes, we are. We made those laws too.


"And it’s a good thing."

I agree.


"Imagine what this country would be like if the majority had its way, sans laws. "

After a fashion, the majority DOES have its way, since the majority is what is needed to pass those laws.


"K1MAN’s fate is note in the hands of his fellow amateurs. If the FCC and court system deems his operation illegal, so be it."

Agree.


"But he, as an American, is entitled to due process just as everyone else is"

Agree.


"and this vigilante attitude"

?
What vigilante attitude is "this"? Please be specific.
Perhaps I missed it, reading the above. It seems that most here are simply venting their frustration that K1MAN still has a license, as they feel he is violating the rules. It looks like most here are wishing the FCC would and/or could act faster in this case.

Nobody seriously wants to attack him or lynch him - - do they?

"that is expressed over Amateur Radio from time to time is unbecoming to the hobby."

That depends. If by "over Amateur Radio" you meant on the air, then yes, that could easily get dicey and be innappropriate.
If by "over Amateur Radio" you meant discussing the topic of Amateur Radio, and the method of discussion for example is an internet forum such as this, then no - it is not necessarily unbecoming of the hobby. This is part of the internet. This is NOT Amateur Radio. This is simply a place to talk about it. I, for one, am glad that such forums exist. Exchange of ideas and thoughts, with a bit more latitude than is appropriate on the air, can be a good thing.

"Frankly, I believe he gets so this amount of attention because so many are just plain bored with the hobby."

Could be, but I doubt it.
I suspect it is because they love the hobby, and find his actions outrageous and detrimental to the hobby that they care about so much.


"Otherwise, why would someone listen hour after hour?"

They do?
Hour after hour? Are you sure?
I missed that then, if somebody made that claim.




 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by KU4QW on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Well I have said it many times, if you don't like it don't listen to him, move on up the freq a bit, there is a lot of room on the bands.
When I first upgraded to General and moved down the bands to play cw, I got me a nice clear spot and listened for a bit, did qrl a few times and went at it, not a few seconds later I got blasted off the air by the arrl doing their broadcast, I wasn't an arrl member and had no clue that was their freq. They didn't qrl or anything they just blast my little signal off the freq.
The folks jaming k1man broadcast are far worse hams than k1man, he is not jaming them, he is doing the same as the arrl broadcast, I tried to listen to k1man today on 20 meter and so many people jam and qrm that is sounds more like a cb channel there.
How quick would the fcc or you act, if those jammers moved down and did the same thing to the arrl broadcast?
They are the same thing.
I am not a member of the arrl and I'm not a member of the aars? (k1man group) but it's plan to see 1 is about the same as the other.

So how much damage could k1man do if you never tuned in to listen and you never jamed and you never posted about him?

73
Jim KU4QW
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by AI9NL on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
In an age when most licensed Amateur Radio operators are more interested in watching football on TV or chasing down the latest pornshop on the Internet, I'm quite happy to discover that at least Glen Baxter is still on the air, playing with his radio, after 20 odd years ... even though I never listen to his service.

The rules under which K1MAN operates are the same rules which allow the ARRL to continue its BROADCASTS ... and also the BROADCASTS on your local 2 meter repeaters ... stuff like "NewsLine" and occasionally even some NASA operations ... if your lucky enough to live near a ham who can provide those services.

Contrarian that I am, I think its rather nice of Glen to provide this service for us. I'm not speaking of his program content, that is immaterial. Rather, I like to think of him as our "Rules Tester". Without him, there might still be some confusion as to where the boundaries and interpretation of the rules actually fall. K1MAN has doubtless gone the limit.

When sailing in unfamiliar waters, lighthouses are always nice to see. So it is with K1MAN ... Don't go past this point ... if you want to keep your license.

Some day (never say it will never come), should you feel the need, it'll be nice to know just how far you can go to express yourself with your license. K1MAN has shown you where the limits are.

Now, go out and play!

Harv, AI9NL
Washbrun, WI
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by VE5JCF on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I find this whole thing strangely entertaining, much like a daytime soap for hams.
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by N9AVY on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Everything I've read and heard about K1MAN has led me to the conclusion that he's "a couple french fries short of a Happy Meal". I've heard him come up on frequency in the middle of a QSO and just start broadcasting away like it was a clear frequency; this in my opinion makes him just another LID. I'll just igore this guy now and in the future. Eventually, he'll just go away like so many other LIDs have done in the past.

Jerry N9AVY
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K6BBC on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Yes, K1MAN is defiantly a guilty pleasure.

K6BBC
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by W5HTW on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Here's the cute part!!

Had I not read here and on qrz.com all the crap about K1MAN, I wouldn't know he existed! Yep, I operate most HF bands, from 160 on up. However, it is all the bitching on the internet about ham problems, (whether it's K1MAN or profanity, or dirty jokes or interference) that brings it to my attention. Otherwise, I just get on the air and operate.

So if K1MAN is a problem - blame the internet forums for spreading his word widely. Most of us, were it not for these forums, would never have heard of him, and never have been bothered by him. Those who park on his frequency to interfere with him are as bad as he is, for one thing. For another, they must be awfully dumb not to know how to tune their dials. And if he's transmitting, he isn't listening to them anyway!

Now, having heard of him, he STILL doesn't bother me. I no longer have a crystal-controlled radio. In order to find Baxter, I have to search the dial for him. He doesn't search for me.

Same applies to the infamous 14313 and the 3950-and-vicinity frequencies. I have to go there - they don't come to me. We have a group in ham radio whose primary joy is finding negative things on the air, and then parking there to listen to them so they can become more aggravated and excited.

Like the guy doing religous broadcasting on CW, on 7030. I have a sharp filter and can still operate around that frequency, or I can find other frequencies in the band.

I don't agree with broadcasting on the ham bands, whether it's Baxter-style, or religous, or political or comedy. I do imagine if the FCC chooses to prohibit broadcasting, though, it is going to have to tackle the ARRL as well. So in the meantime, I just keep remembering where the VFO is. I don't listen to those who offend me, whether they are political (such as the Liberty group) religious (such as the 7100 and 7030 folks) or obscene, such as the upper ends of 75 meters.

Like the doc says: If it hurts to do that, don't do that.

Ed
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by AC0H on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<<"Well I have said it many times, if you don't like it don't listen to him, move on up the freq a bit, there is a lot of room on the bands.">>

When Baxter decides he doesn't like anybody within +/-5Khz of "his" frequency and moves his "show" on top of another QSO in progress, which he has done on more than a few occasions, do we continue to move off and play tag with the idiot up and down the band?
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by W6TH on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!


WILLY
After a fashion, the majority DOES have its way, since the majority is what is needed to pass those laws.
------------------------------------------------------

This is no longer true WILLY. Check of how many of our new laws are passed with us having know knowledge of any such laws. Not until passed and enforced.


K1MAN: Time for a Strategy:
This is what is destroying ham radio. This kind of posting; or is it more or less nonsense?

.:

 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by KA8UWR on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I listened to his broadcast one time,most of the show was just blowing off steam,as far as "News" I found not a thing new offered to me that I already did not read about in the magazines or read on the internet,all he did was repeat the same boring news over,and,over,and over again,that same stuff the entire broadcast,along with his "Ranting" once was enough,just don't listen to him,when I get to that part of the band now,I just tune right by it,never even stopping,he is basically,from what I gathered,just talking to himself,so if he wants to talk to himself for the next 20 years its OK by me,I won't be listening!! if this guy wants to waste his time,let him!! as for me,I'll be doing something worthwhile,chasing DX!! BOB KA8UWR
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K6KDK on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
One must be very careful about trying to shoot at targets selectively. If you choose to take aim at K1MAN, then you will have to answer as to why you also didn't try to pick off the ARRL, or for that matter the dozens of local clubs that "broadcast" the exact same program content as K1MAN (i.e. "Newsline, et. al.), and come up on various frequencies at "skeduled times" regardless of status of current traffic on the air at that time.

You need to be aware that it comes to light very quickly, to an unbiased observer, that the fact is, you probably are trying to pick off K1MAN because you don't like the editorial content of his "broadcasts", not because you have some legitimate disagreement with compliance of the law or problems created on-air in response to the broadcasts.

Some on this thread have blurted out that it is "OK" for the ARRL to do it because they are the "good guys" and K1MAN shouldn't be allowed to do it because he is the "bad guy" pretty much says it all.

-Dan K6KDK
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by W6TH on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!



For K6BBC
EQUALITY is dragging down the ones who climb too high.

Why should one be compelled to do more for others than they are willing to do for themselves? EQUALITY


EQUALITY as a demand can turn potentially kind, considerate, charitable people into aggressive snarling beasts.

EQUALITY is wanting no more and no less than anyone on earth, achieving no more no less than anyone, giving no more no less than anyone, hoping no more no less than anyone.

73 from your uncle George.

.:
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K7NNG on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I agree with ED, W5HTW. Ed stated it just like it really is and should be. Thanks Ed.
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by KB2SSA on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Are these transmissions any different than the foul mouthed hams on 80 and 75? How about the guys send SSTV pics of porn? There is plenty of spectrum out there to avoid him. He takes up 5kc at the most. Big deal, no worse than the international shortwave stations on 40. He thrives on this kind of badgering. Ignore him and it will go away. Tune just 2.5Khz lower and he is gone.

Maybe he is doing a good service. The hobby lately is falling apart. The numbers of hams are dropping everyday due to old age and lost interest. We are losing more than we are replacing. What incentive do we give to a kid who can already chat with someone in Japan with crystal clear VOIP? With that they don't get chastised for not knowing code, don't have to take a beating from the lids on 80 and 75 either or get yelled at on the local net for using the wrong phonetics (constructive critism is appropriate but outright yelling is just wrong)

Face it, the ARRL has lost interest in the hobby aspect. They have seized ARES, chosen WinLink 2000 as the software of choice for emcomm, which requires that you buy a $1200 TNC! They are ignoring the lay person person with the $500 radio in the shack and wire antenna who just wants to operate.

The ARRL code practice bulletins are absolutely a waste of spectrum. There is no reason why they can't move these off the air and onto their website. And do we really need bulletins by RTTY about headquarters being closed during Thanksgiving and other such useless info. Like because the ARRL is closed, ham radio is going to stop.

K1MAN is the only station out there that seems to be supporting the hobby. Getting people interested again in it and getting people on the air. Maybe his tactics are a little out there but at least he is doing something.

So as I see it here, the problem is that the ARRL is outdated and needs to spice things up and they are just pissed off that K1MAN beat them to the punch. Oh and the reason why nobody complains about the ARRL transmissions is that they are political lobbyists and the FCC would never think about doing anything towards them.

So just me 5 cents on the issue. I say turn the dial, clean up your mouths and stop with the porn pictures. Nothing ruins a demonstration to kids more than porn.



 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K6BBC on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Well said Vito (uncle George)

K6BBC
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4EQQ on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This guy must be independently wealthy because it's clear he has way too much free time on his hands.

In the 60's this guy would be labeled a "lid."

He reminds me of Wayne Green with his rants.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by N2NZJ on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
TO ALL CONCERNED WE SHOULD DO ALL THAT WE CAN TO DRIVE THIS SUPER LID OFF THE AIR FOREVER. THE FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT THING TO DO IS IGNORE THIS SUPER COMPLETELY. all stations should do this and yes file complaints to the F C C. AS ONE POST SAID let us not become PART OF PROBLEM let us become part of the ULTIMATE SOLUTION. GET THIS SUPER LID OFF THE AIR FOREVER AND EVER. LIDS WANT ATTENTION don't give to them matter how mad they might make YOU. IF EVERONE WOULD STEAR CLEAR OF THIS SUPER LID. he might get a clear message. WE DON'T WANT LID'S PERIOD. Drive this LID off the AIR FOREVER. 73 TOM
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K2VI on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
when is the FCC going to put enforcement in action.I read about all theese violators being fined,equipment confiscated but K1MAN continue's to jam.he is causing malicious interference period.Now if k1man was smart he would put in for a licence to transmit in the 49 meter band with 10 kw so he would be heard.He refuses to do so because he wants to break balls.besides all that his signal suffers greatly from QSB and cant listen to his inaudable signal anyway.eventually the fed will prevail and k1man will be a few dollars poorer and a lean on his property which looks very nice up for auction....maybe on ebay;-}
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K6BBC on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Lets all ignore him by posting in ALL CAPS!!!!!!!

And ULTIMATE SOLUTION?

K6BBC
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by AG4QT on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
First I believe as good amateurs, we should not become part of the problem. If we have a valid complaint we should forward this complaint concerning K1MAN directly to the FCC. We should not fall into the trap of arguing whether his bullentins are legal or not. I find his behavior on the air not to reflect the values that we as amateur radio operators try to present to the public.In the past, I have moved to another part of the band, and did so, in this instance. During Jamboree on the Air, a great way to promote ham radio to a great number of Boy Scouts, he came on the air right on top of a large group of operators. I tuned to the frequency and immediately noticed it as a tape that had played at the same time the day before when we were setting up for Jamboree. Most of the people operating had never heard this station and thinking it was a legitimate station with a control operator, told him the frequency was in use and he was bleeding all the way down on the calling frequency 14.270. It is my understanding from the Scouting discussion group he is suing the amateur operators and the Boy Scouts of America for interferring with his bullentin service. Until this happened, I ignored the situation. As a Club at verious locations, we had 45 plus Scouts in contact with probably 3 to 4 times this many Scouts enjoying amateur radio and Jamboree on the Air.I have asked all the operators involved to forward a complaint to the FCC, stating simply this behavior and his language does not reflect the values that we want to project to the public. His latest letter from the FCC involved him broadcasting without a control operator on top of a traffic net. I think it is best to let the FCC handle this one but there needs to be input with everyone affected.
I believe he thrives on the dissention he stirs up. We are giving him an audience by discussing this here but I feel it is important that everyone does the right thing by reporting and not becoming part of the problem. Please do not give him an audience.
Ron AB4A
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<K1MAN is the only station out there that seems to be supporting the hobby.>

Supporting the hobby???? How has destroying the hobby/service suddenly become "supporting"???
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K1CJS on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
".....The rules under which K1MAN operates are the same rules which allow the ARRL to continue its BROADCASTS.....and also the BROADCASTS on your local 2 meter repeaters....."

True enough, but there the comparison must stop if the reports are true. Does the ARRL occupy and dominate one frequency? Yes, they do. However, for hours on end? NO! Does the ARRL try to 'broadcast' a talk show? I don't think so. They DO put out a news broadcast like MAN does, but it is a short one as compared to his.

Face it, the K1MAN station is really pushing the limit, and it seems this time he has pushed too far--as I read it, Mr. Baxter has a few more days to respond in the way the FCC will accept, or they are going to pull his ticket and fine him. Will that be the end of Glen Baxter? I doubt it. He'll probably continue his antics until he's arrested and put in prison by the 'corrupt' FCC and the Federal marshalls.

Only time will tell......
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by RADIO123US on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
KB2SSA said "With that they don't get chastised for not knowing code, don't have to take a beating from the lids on 80 and 75 either or get yelled at on the local net for using the wrong phonetics "

So, which one of these has ACTUALLY happened to you ???

KB2SSA said "K1MAN is the only station out there that seems to be supporting the hobby."

How is he supporting the hobby ??? Have you actually heard one of his "broadcasts" ???

KB2SSA said "So as I see it here, the problem is that the ARRL is outdated and needs to spice things up and they are just pissed off that K1MAN beat them to the punch. Oh and the reason why nobody complains about the ARRL transmissions is that they are political lobbyists and the FCC would never think about doing anything towards them"

I'm not a fan of the ARRL, but there is absolutely NO comparison between W1AW and K1MAN...I don't believe I've ever seen W1AW transmitting anything telling it's listeners to send money to their organization.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<He reminds me of Wayne Green with his rants. >

I agree. But like it or not, Wayne Green did some good for the hobby/service. K1MAN does none.

Wayne was one of the pioneers in home computing, worked for the advancement of linked repeaters, and pushed Packet Radio - 2 out of 3 ain't bad. Of course Wayne did keep up his ridiculous rants against Incentive Licensing and was always trying to put down the ARRL without cause. That eventually destroyed recognition for the good he did do.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by RADIO123US on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K1CJS said "He'll probably continue his antics until he's arrested and put in prison by the 'corrupt' FCC and the Federal marshalls. "

Chris, I agree with you...there is MUCH more going on with K1MAN then just his radio antics. He's obviously a VERY "troubled" man with some type of axe to grind with the government...
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by N6JSX on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Sir, you are only fanning the flames for K1MAN and now he can site this site/article as a direct call to create a consperiacy against his operations/license.

I continue to read your first few words of each paragraph "in my opinion" - well we all have them and they never smell like roses, especially when we are full of beans. HAM's are often opinionated and seem to lack the ability to look at both sides of the issues before making fools of themselves. You have upheld this beleif and continue to set an example.

I do not support K1MAN and find him a pompus asp. But until the FCC changes Part 97 Rules we will have to live with his operations. I've not heard him violate any Rule axcept for when others key up under him trying to create a violation. I've listen to this guy a few times in the past few months while driving +6 hour trips. Actually I enjoy listening to Newsline that is not played on any local repeaters in my home area.

I do not really object to K1MAN calling out Riley as Riley has done some very stupid blunders. Such as when Riley sent bad boy letters to a few hams that used phonetics to ID with - which is actually encouraged to be used by the ARRL & FCC for clarity and communications efficiency, Riley had to retract that blunder. To think Riley is our head Rules enforcer too! Both these guys have ego problems just one of them works for the government, going unchecked, that can cause misory to many.

If you condemn K1MAN operation then you better look hard and long at the ARRL who also conducts scheduled propoganda broadcasts - called bulletins. Plus the ARRL is always putting an ad in there messages to support the ARRL by becoming a member - clearly business in nature. I do not think joining the IARA or ARRA costs any money - can teh ARRL say the same?

You know the good thing about K1MAN - if you don't like him don't tune to 14.275. When he looses his audience he will fade away - or go so far over the edge he will violate Part 97 allowing the FCC to nail him.

But it is guys like you that are affectively promoting his show and keep its movement growing. Sort of like keying a repeater and casting negative comments to a LID jammer listener. The LID gets his ego stroked by idiots willing to acknowledge his successful negative behaviour - so who is FOOL?

The last I heard this is the USA and many of us fought our freedoms - to be smart or stupid but always heard!

Kuby, N6JSX/8
past L.A. & WI section OOC
x-USN Vietnam Vet
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by LNXAUTHOR on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
- absolutely amazing... i just read the entire thread on this article and only find one really lucid (and i believe correct) post with reasonably good advice...

- thank you, N9WB!

(some of the other posts were kinda scary!)

:-)

- it's pretty amazing how divisive this issue has become among some hams...
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by N2NZJ on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
DON'T TUNE TO 14.275 and he will go away forever is that the ULTMATE SOLUTION ?????. i say that is the best possible solution. the MAIN THING IS DON'T JAM HIM OR TRANSMIT IN CLOSE PROXMITY TO HIS FREQ. just go some where else give him ABSOLUTELY NO ATTENTION.the super LID will soon become a wimped LID. and so he will fade away into the static forever.his kind are not welcome on any band. it is good to hear every one rise up and post their thoughts on all ISSUES. I say again IGNORE, IGNORE the super LID and he will fade away into the static forever more. 73 TOM
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I've ignored him for years... he's still here. The problem is that he is in clear violation of FCC regs. Can that be allowed to go on forever?

I have heard him in passing as I tuned across the band. I even listened to him after seeing online that he called people who want the law enforced "Nazis". I have heard him trying to jam some people. (He was there today - broadcasting on the same frequency as a legitimate QSO.) I have not personally heard anyone trying to jam him. If they are there first (as the Scouts were) then he is the one doing the jamming. The law is clear: no one owns a frequency. Period.

And stop comparing that shortwave broadcast wannabe with ARRL. They are completely different. No comparison.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by N3TTU on November 28, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
My two cents...

I have seen HIS Web site and unlike the ARRL's it is useless. Also, his site is entirely advertisements, poorly made, and offensive. I don't know how you can compare the two.

If you want to find information for free, go to www.google.com.

<Steps down from soapbox>
73
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by W8JI on November 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
We have to separate the content from the on-the-air action.

While K1MAN is obviously not the most emotionally stable guy, the fact he only has one oar in the water doesn't mean he is breaking a law.

W1AW has always done EXACTLY the same thing as K1MAN for many years. W1AW comes on right on top of existing QSO's and has for many years.

Please explain why W1AW should be allowed to perform exactly the same actions (transmitting over existing QSO's) as K1MAN and K1MAN be prosecuted and W1AW not.

W1AW breaks the same laws in the same way. They transmit on top of existing QSO's and do NOT monitor frequencies before transmitting. Other than content, there is no difference in how the stations are operated.

With that in mind (and what I say IS absolutely factual) why would K1MAN's broadcasts be any more illegal than the broadcasts of W1AW?

The fact we don't like the content of K1MAN or that K1MAN appears to have a screw loose has nothing to do with how the stations are allowed to operate.

73, Tom
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K1CJS on November 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Oh, so the ARRL broadcasts are the same as K1MAN? I suppose the ARRL puts out a "talk snow" too? Does the ARRL continually broadcast for hours on end, sometimes without a control operator present?

Secondly, K1MAN hasn't broken any rules? Then why has Mr. Baxter gotten an enforcement letter from the FCC? He did--I've posted it earlier in this discussion. The FCC seems to think he has broken rules or else they wouldn't have given him a final 20 days to respond before they take action against him.

Finally, the FCC knows the work the ARRL does, the volunteer examiner program, emergency communications organization, etc. Does K1MAN do any of those things? No, he doesn't. He simply stays on a frequency for hour after hour and lashes out at anyone who may have already been on that frequency and anyone who may try to use it. I suppose the ARRL does that too, right?

The ARRL transmissions are for minutes, not hours, and are a service to some hams while the K1MAN transmissions may be of limited service to a few of his friends--and no one else. As far as his "talk show", is ham radio and AM/FM talk radio were the same service? Mr. Baxter seems to think so, but we hams know better--they are not. Does the ARRL have an hours long talk show? No, they don't. And if I'm mistaken, please tell me the frequency they occupy for hours on end and I'll complain to the FCC about them.

Comparing the ARRL and K1MAN and saying they are doing the same thing is like comparing apples to apple sauce, they come from the same place and may taste somewhat the same, but are totally different.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WA4MJF on November 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
If any comparison to W1AW is
to be made it is this according
to the letters that I've read
from the SCARE.

W1AW has a staff of control operators
that are on duty and the FCC Engineers
seem to have no problem finding when
W1AW is on the air.

K1MAN has according to one letter
a "Radio Shack timer" as the control op.
No one is present when K1MAN is on
the air and the FCC engineers visit.

This seems to be the crux of the
whole matter, except for some DOJ issues
which are seperate.

So W1AW has paid (allowed by Part 97)
control ops on duty when on the air
and K1MAN has ?????? control of his
station when on the air.

I think that kinda nails down the
FCC issue and if you go back and
read the series of letters over the
years, that is main thrust with
a little other stuff thrown in.

Happy Holidaze!

73 de Ronnie
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by W1XZ on November 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Two issues here:
Is K1MAN breaking the law? IMHO he is, but that isn't the problem. K1MAN's filter caps have leaked AND he likes the sound of his own voice; a bad combination.
Herein lies the problem. What if we all started doing what Baxter is doing. What if each of the ranters here on eHam and QRZ decided our views on ham radio were so importnat we needed a bulletin station to tell the world. What a mess that would be. Come to think of it that is what it pretty much sounds like some weekends on 75 now.

The arguement for changing frequency and ignoring him is not a working solution, because it is the duration, quality, and content of his transmissions that have brought about all these postings.
If K1MAN just stuck to amateur radio related news, kept his broadcasts to a minimum, and deleted all the foolishness no one would complain or listen.

73's...I am destinated.
W1XZ (first personal is Greg)
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by KX2S on November 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Nuke him!
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K8MHZ on November 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
As I read the FCC letter, MAN was already cited and failed to give an adequate response. He is now getting another chance. I have wondered, if MAN is operating illegally, why the FCC allows it to go on. I now am wondering why they are giving him chance after chance now that they have come around to citing him. So, is the station legal, or is the FCC being lax? The FCC letter states that the offense being persued is MAN's transmitting over ongoing QSO's. How does the ARRL operate? If there is a QSO in progress, does the ARRL wait or change freqs?

Like others, if it weren't for the Internet I would have never heard of K1Man. If any good is to come out of this, it is the fact that I am now dragging my TS-520SE out of the mothballs, putting a wire antenna together and firing her up to see what I have been missing out there. Sounds like Glenn is the Jerry Springer of Ham Radio.

The irony is that this is what brings people to the bands. Many on the broadcast side of radio know this to be true. Howard Stern is an example. Many FM morning shows are making the attempt to gain numbers by transmitting the unsavory.

It sure will be interesting to see how this plays out. My fear is that if the FCC fails to stop MAN it will open the floodgates for others to pollute the bands with all sorts of non-sense. The downside is that if a change of law is necessary it may adversly affect our hobby by taking away rights from the thousands of hams that have never abused them.

My humble opinion is that K1MAN is the worst of Americans. I feel that way about anyone that abuses our rights to the point of our government taking them from us. Our rights are for all of America to use, not for one person to squeeze to death.

73,

K8MHZ

 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K1CJS on November 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
It looks like the FCC is giving him all the rope he needs to hang himself. The more rope, the bigger tangle, the more knots and finally, the tighter the noose.

The more the FCC lets him hang himself, the worse it will be for him when they finally go to get him. I'm just wondering the same thing many others are, why has it taken 20 years? Seems like Riley is the first enforcement official to do anything in a long time.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by W9WHE-II on November 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
SUGGESTION: Every time he brings his so-called broadcast up over your QSO, file a WRITTEN complaint with the FCC.
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy and LAS VEGAS !!!  
by KB7LYM on November 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
POSTINGS HERE LIKE LAS VEGAS CONVENTION

When I read all the posting of bickering,falsehoods.poison,blackballing,
swearing,name calling and a few more it reminded me when I worked in a Las Vegas Convention Center.
We had a special Convention of about 5000 Shriners who who were plaqued by
Hemmeroids. Needless to say that after downing countless Mexican drinks of Tequilla mixed with shots of Jalopeno sauce the crowd was in no mood to talk in a soft way to each other.
Just telling you how it was......

Comments can be send to dragonflies329@juno.com
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WA0ZZG on November 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I think we may be looking at this all wrong. Has the
situation changed? The last I saw, the FCC was NOT
trying to take K1MAN off the air. The issue was lack
of a licenced on-site control operator. This is
something the ARRL always has. The FCC has never
allowed automation systems on the Amateur bands.
That was their issue.
Dave
WA0ZZG
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WA6BFH on November 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Hey BBC, remember that those who voted Hitler into office had the Treaty of Versaille's to encourage them! Do you think we might have a similar analogy on Ham Radio?

73! de John
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by KT8K on November 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
IMHO, they should allow the Pactor robots to operate ONLY on the same frequencies as K1MAN. If they're going to allow unattended operations/broadcasts they should at least put them on top of one another.
(my $0.02)
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by KE4ZHN on November 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The best strategy for Baxter is to allow him to continue to hang himself. Hes well on his way already. Crying and whining about him are exactly what he lives for. As others here have already stated, the ARRL is guilty of the exact same thing that Baxter does. Firing up on top of existing qso`s without bothering to check if the frequency is in use. This puts Riley in a sticky situation. If he busts Baxter for interference issues, then the ARRL should have to answer for the same. Since some in the commission view the ARRL as the sacred cow of amateur radio this is unacceptable. Whether you agree with Baxters loony tune rants or not, his mode of operation is just like W1AW. Fire up regardless of whos already there and broadcast.

Broadcasting "bull"etins should NOT be allowed on the amateur bands PERIOD. The ONLY exception to this should be for emergency communications where life and property are at risk or in imminent danger. This is already in part 97. If several hundred or perhaps several thousand amateurs decided to become "Baxters" or "W1AW" the bands would be a chaos of heterodyne and garbage broadcasting with no purpose whatsoever but to satisfy the egos of the ones doing the broadcasting! You cant be hypocritical and cite Baxter for interfering with others when the beloved league is just as guilty. As much as I think Baxter is a nut case who needs professional help, the league should clean up its act too. W1AW seems to give me the impression that because its the leagues station they can do as they please. Arent they supposed to set an example for the rest of us?

Baxter although off the wall in his approach, is a somewhat shrewd individual. He used the ARRLs legal loophole in part 97 to take it upon himself to be an ego broadcaster and the FCC is hard pressed to deal with it because if they give one organization the right to do it, then they must allow all others to do it as well. The way to stop all this nonsense is to change the part 97 ruling that allows amateur related bulletin broadcasts. But the league would be crying loudly over this one Im sure.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WB9UAI on November 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<You know that big knob on your radios? If you turn that thing, it will change your operating frequency. Anybody ever consider USING it?

If you know where K1MAN IS, then you also know where he's NOT. We've got plenty of spectrum, and not enough hams using it. Finding a clear frequency shouldn't be that hard, now should it? >

Yup. I've yet to hear him in the CW part of the band. Hey ... somebody tell him to fire up on 6 meters, we could use him as a propagation beacon!

John Wilke
K9RZZ (ex- WB9UAI)
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by N1NJI on November 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<i>First, there is no comparison between K1MAN and ARRL. ARRL is THE legitimate national Amateur organization.</i>

says who? the AARL? they don't represent me, i'm not a member, the AARL is a union.. this is a non-union shack

turn the dial....
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by W8JI on November 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy Reply
by W9WHE-II on November 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
SUGGESTION: Every time he brings his so-called broadcast up over your QSO, file a WRITTEN complaint with the FCC.>>>>


You totally miss the point.

The ARRL does EXACTLY the same thing with W1AW. It always has as long as I can remember.

If the FCC goes after K1MAN for just transmitting right over exisiting QSO's, it needs to do the same thing to W1AW.

This isn't an endorsement of K1MAN, who certainly serves no positive function to us as a group. It just is a simple fact of life. Regardless if he is Mother Theresa or Satin, he operates no differently than W1AW with the sole exception of W1AW having ONE control op on duty to watch all those transmitters most nights.
The content of the broadcasts is not illegal, neither is the fact he piles on top of people.

Just like WA0RCR on 1860 kHz and a dozen other dim bulbs.... Baxter, W1AW , and dozens of other stations and nets just pile right on top of whoever is there.

IMO, broadcasting should be illegal except in very restricted frequency ranges.

73 Tom
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by PHINEAS on November 29, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
1. Why are all of these smart hams too dumb to turn a VFO?
2. Why do people with general or better licenses have access to every amateur band, but are so focused on 3khz on 20 meters?
3. Why not go afer those offensive people who cause interference on 80 meters everynight, spout political a racially offensive views, use bad language, etc.....
4. Why are we not going after these self appointed frequency owners that jam you every time you want to rag chew on "THEIR" frequency.
5. What about the people who run 1500watts, when all then need to make a contact is 1 watt?

People that trip off of K1MAN are funny charactors. If you wish, send your complaints to the radio gastapo(ARRL) or the FCC, and move on.

Just because you don't like his message, does not mean he does not have the right to say it. There are also a lot worse people on the airwaves than K1MAN.

If were are going to get e lynch mob together, keep in mind there are a lot more bad operators that need hangin besides K1MAN.

As far as the ARRL..HA!..They need to cleanup their own mess, before they start working on someone elses. Remember, it is also illegal for people to walk around saying they are FCC enforcement agents. I dont see the ARRL, nor the FCC doing anything about that. If the FCC will let the Radio Gastapo(ARRL) be FCC enforcement agents, they may as well leave K1MAN alone.

Phineas
K0KMA
 
Has anyone else noticed.....  
by WA4MJF on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
how many folks on this board still
actively use radios that have VFOs?

Now,I like boat anchors as much as the
next ham, but I don't spend all my time
using them.

Happy Holidaze!

73 de Ronnie

 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by W9WHE-II on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
W8JI writes:

"The ARRL does EXACTLY the same thing with W1AW. It always has as long as I can remember".

True. ARRL is just as WRONG as baxter. I agree.


"If the FCC goes after K1MAN for just transmitting right over exisiting QSO's, it needs to do the same thing to W1AW".

True again. I hope they do!


BROADCASTING in the Amateur service MUST be curtailed. That's why I petitioned FCC for a rule change to limit the aggragate time any licensee could broadcast in a 24 hour perioud. UNFORTUNATELY, the FCC declined to adopt any such limits.


W9WHE




 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WILLY on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
by W8JI on November 29, 2004

"...
The ARRL does EXACTLY the same thing with W1AW. It always has as ..."


Right.

The real problem that is being kicked around in this discussion, summed up, is that the FCC has created a loophole - and K1MAN is exploiting it.

As with many rules, regulations, laws, etc., their original wording was well meant. In our specific discussion here, an example would mean allowing a valid organization like the ARRL to air code practice. I believe that most hams would agree that one organization, transmitting code practice on a schedule, or even voice bulletins, would not seriously harm ham radio. However, I also believe that those same hams would instantly say that they would not want dozens, or hundreds, of ham stations on the bands doing the same thing.
It would seem that it can be difficult to put into words - on paper, in black and white - exactly what is meant, while covering all possible contingencies that may arise in the future.
To those reading this: try it - try writing the fair and just, rule and reg to cover this without creating more loopholes that could lead to more fiascoes - you'll quickly see how difficult it is. If it was easy, lawyers wouldn't get paid so much >g<

Along comes someone like K1MAN that apparently does not care what harm he causes ham radio, or his own reputation. He exploits the present conditions, for whatever his own reasons may be.

Now the FCC is in a bind - which very well may be what is giving him his jollies. The FCC will eventually nail him, of that I have no doubt. But they will have to use something other than the rules that permit both W1AW and K1MAN to do bulletins. Perhaps the timer vs control operator technicality will suffice. If not, maybe they will have to make some changes to the rules. If they do, I hope the changes are carefully thought through.

Here is something I think many here will agree with:
It is a shame that K1MAN behaves the way he does, and his behaviour cannot be tolerated forever, as this would encourage others to behave in the same manner if they so desire - that would be chaos.


73
 
RE: Has anyone else noticed.....  
by K4JF on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<how many folks on this board still
actively use radios that have VFOs?

Now,I like boat anchors as much as the
next ham, but I don't spend all my time
using them.

Happy Holidaze!

73 de Ronnie >

You're kidding, right? My TS870 is hardly a "boat anchor", neither is the TS-50. Both have two VFOs, not just one.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<says who? the AARL? they don't represent me, i'm not a member, the AARL is a union.. this is a non-union shack >

Actually, they DO represent you. You just choose to not have a voice in that representation by not joining. That is your right.

Same with, for example, your U.S. Senator. He/she represents you, whether you choose to vote or not.

ARRL acively represents all Amateurs without asking if they are members or not. However, they operate in accordance with the expressed wishes of the membership, through elected representatives. If you choose to refrain from influencing that representation, you just get to abide with what the rest of us have voted.
 
RE: Has anyone else noticed.....  
by WA4MJF on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K4JF,


Well, even my older S Line had
a PTO as did my R-309A/URR
and all the ICOM stuff I have
dating from the late 80s uses PLL.

I think the last transceiver I had
with a VFO was the HW-12A and I'm
not sure about that. The last
transmitter I had with a VFO was
Heath TX-1 Apache.

I'm not sure about your TS equipment,
it may still use a VFO or two.

Happy Holidaze!

73 de Ronnie


 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WA2JJH on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
is he related to TED BAXTER?
 
K1MAN  
by W5JON on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
For the record, I was one of the stations on 3.890 communicating with the Boy Scouts, on October 16, 2004, when K1MAN destroyed the QSO for 15 stations, in 2 countries and about 70 Boy Scouts.

I chose to join the QSO after listening for 15 minutes, and was there for another 35 minutes before K1MAN wiped it out.

Although we tried to QSY, the QRM from K1MAN was so great that we could not hear each other to coordinate the QSY, so most stations just left in disgust.

I know that I was unaware, and I sure that I can safely say that the Boy Scouts were also unaware of the K1MAN "broadcast" schedule.

Given the logic of many of the previous posts, I guess it was our (the Boy Scouts and mine) fault the we did not scan the entire Internet and QRZ to ensure that a "broadcast" was going to start on THAT frequency almost an hour after the QSO started. Foolish me I did not realize K1MAN owns 3.890, 3.977,3.875,3.885 and 14.275.

For my complaint to the FCC regarding that "malicious interference", I have been singled out on the K1MAN "broadcast" and Web site as ""Head of the "Lloyd Youth" W5JON"", for "The American Amateur N@zi Party ".

K1MAN further stated that it was my and the Boy Scouts fault as we should have "checked the K1MAN broadcast schedule".

All this having never met, or talked to K1MAN in my 45 years as a licensed operator.

So to all the wise men that suggest "just turn the knob", I hope you have posted in your shack the times that the K1MAN "broadcast" is "scheduled" to operate on 3.890, 3.977, 3.885, 3.875 and 14.275, so you can "just turn the knob". Because in the past two weeks alone the "broadcast" has been on ALL these frequencies.

And before starting a QSO be sure to "check the K1MAN broadcast schedule".

73,

John W5JON
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by W9WHE-II on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!


"ARRL acively represents all Amateurs without asking if they are members or not"

UTTER NONSENSE.
ARRL has NO authority to speak for me. To the extent they do, it is unauthorized and unlawful. While my US senator may represent me, he is a CONSTITUTIONALLY elected GOVERNMENT officer, with the force and authority of law. ARRL is a private "boys club" that has no such authority and no such power. To the extent ARRL represents to anyone that it speaks for me, it will be on the receiving end of an injunction.

"However, they [ARRL] operate in accordance with the expressed wishes of the membership, through elected representatives".

OH?
Many view ARRL as a rogue entity. It frequently acts without consulting its broader membership and, frequently, against its own membership's wishes. FOR EXAMPLE, ARRL proposal to give away HF priveleges to every Tech was done WITHOUT consulting the broader membership and is against the majority's wishes.

While ARRL may speak for you, it does NOT speak for me or for that matter, the majority of US hams. In fact, ARRL only speaks for a SMALL MINORITY of hams, somewhere in the neighborhood of 15-20%.

W9WHE
Proud to have CANCELLED my ARRL membership!
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WA2JJH on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I guess K-Man takes the words amatuer radio operator a bit too literal.

I have never heard the dude. He is atleast savvy enough to stay on the same frequency.

I do not condone his operating practices. I bet he has a good enough lawyer to stay operating. He will ahut down when he see's his audiance stop being affected by him.


AGAIN, another application for your VFO...QSY!

I have never heard this guy on the air. The people jamming him are breaking the law too.

WHO the heck knows. He could be the future of things to come.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ronnie, the big knob on the front of your Icom rig is the VFO, same as my Kenwoods. It doesn't matter whether it uses Phase Locked Loop or an LC circuit, or something else, it is still a Variable Frequency Oscillator. Otherwise your rig would be on a single frequency.
 
ARRL vs. K1MAN: Time for Realistic Thought  
by K4RAF on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"ARRL acively represents all Amateurs without asking if they are members or not."

Really? Is that why the term "freeloader" was unleashed for use when referring to non-members, in a public forum by an ARRL PAID official, in response to views & suggestions about say the "battle" over BPL? The ARRL clearly despises the other ~600,000 of us who choose not to "belong", verging on a religious ideaology. The only thing the ARRL has succeeded in is destroying the fabric of the fraternity when "incentive" licensing was forced on everyone of us. Now, they seek to continue the shuffling of the classes & to preserve their monopoly of steering opinion.

"However, they operate in accordance with the expressed wishes of the membership, through elected representatives."

Well, they need to operate in accordance with Part 97, not their "members" wishes, right? The fact remains that the ARRL has no more right to broadcast under Part 97 than K1MAN & if one is removed, so must the other. The law is for all of us, not just the pawns without $3.8 million+ in assets.

This is why the FCC is NOT doing anything about one guy using ham equipment, when the other is using commercial amplifiers on multiple frequencies simultaniously & a paid control operator. If you believe that control op listens to every frequency before they dump it into transmit, Elvis worked the 2004 SSB Sweepstakes. The ARRL W1AW operation clearly constitutes more of a commercial broadcaster from the equipment, to the schedule, to their obvious intent everytime they refer you to their webpage for the 'push' to buy books, CDs, videos or ultimately to become a "member".

Doubt it? Take a poll asking "Do you join the ARRL just to get QST?" - I bet it would be better than 3 to 1 for just QST & not for "membership". You will never see such a poll on ARRL.org because they are scared of any open opinions. The ARRL's own officers must squat on this & other websites to express an opinion because ARRL.org is strictly used for selling everything, not for any forums, member or not.

 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WA4MJF on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Actually, they operate on different
principles. While the tuning knob
does indeed change the operating
frequency, the method of obtaining
that with a VFO is entirely differect,
than say a PTO or PLL. On
a VFO you are changing the capacatence
of the LC circuit of an oscillator and
uses either a fundamental or
harmonic to obtain the operating
frequency.

A PTO operates, often
in the 5-6 MHz range for HF, by
selecting a frequency which is mixed
with the output of another oscillator
to get to the operating frequncy.

A PLL is somewhat more complicated in that
has a crystal oscillator that is multiplied
and sent to a mixer as the local oscillator
signal. There is a main loop thats output
as the first local oscillator. This has
VCOs which divide the range of the first
local oscillator into segments. Then
there is a sub loop that oscillates at
another range of frequencies that are divided
and mixed with the crystal oscillator output
and the resultant frequncy is fed to the
main loop.

Kinda brief, but I guess you get the indea
that all tuning knobs aren't hooked to VFOs.

Happy Holidaze!

73 de Ronnie
 
RE: ARRL vs. K1MAN: Time for Realistic Thought  
by WA4MJF on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K4RAF,

Are you saing Baxter uses homebrew equipment??
Many, many moons ago he was quite the
Collins guy, so that is probably what he
uses. The league uses Harris equipment,
I have some and its good stuff.

Anyhow the issue that seems to stick in
the letters to him from the FCC seems
to be the lack of a control operator
present at the control point, which
as you say, W1AW has.

Hppy Holidaze!

73 de Ronnie
 
RE: ARRL vs. K1MAN: Time for Realistic Thought  
by K4RAF on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!

K1MAN is still using Collins amateur equipment. The fact that W1AW bought/begged Harris full duty cycle equipment for their broadcasts makes their intent clear, doesn't it? I am sure all the signals are at or under 1500 watts?

I was told by a trusted friend who visited W1AW (shortly after the Harris stuff was installed) that he witnessed the broadcasts from W1AW being initiated without listening first. When the (then) control operator was asked by my source why he didn't actually attempt to listen to the frequencies before initiating transmission, my source received a laughing reply "I don't have that many ears".

My point is we are all equal under Part 97. While I don't actually like K1MAN's opinions, he is just as "gray" as W1AW under the law. I have a real problem with paid amateur radio control operators, no matter who/what/where or for who. These guys who seperate the 2 situations are blinded by the league to portray K1MAN as the devil himself.

I have never witnessed such blindness to equal application of the rules in my 22 years as a licensee. These people are so blind to reality, they can't find the single largest knob on ANY radio, let alone know how to actually use it.
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by W3TTT on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
This is a popluar topic! Having read most of the above posts, I have a comment that apparently was not made yet....

IMHO i compare the airwaves to the beaches and parks...now hear me out...we enjoy public access to *some* beach front property, not all, because we the people believe in public access to our natural resouces. We have public parks, national parks, public beaches and so on, so that the poor, non-land-owning public can enjoy these natural resources. Sure, we also support private property, after all, we are not communists or socialists, at least most of us. Most land and resources are in private hands, however, we do guard the parks and beaches for the use of the public. This is only fair and it is the American way. IMHO.

Likewise, IMHO, i believe that *some* of the radio spectrum should be always available to the public for any use that the public (that's you and I) would want to put that spectrum to use. Therefore - we have the amateur radio bands - for public use, and it must be licenced and controled public use, because of the interference issue. I do not believe that the public needs to prove it's case for the set-aside of some frequencies for amateur public use by claiming that the set-aside of these bands for amateur public use is necessary for national defence, public saftey, public service, emergency service, development of new technology, progress, or any other such reason. No, the set-aside of bands of frequencies for amateur public use is justified simply by the fact that the public ***wants to use these frequecies***, that the spectrum should be shared by public and private people and groups, and such. Again, just like natural resouces such as land and beaches are set-aside for public use, so another natural resouce such as bands of frequencies should also be set-aside for the public.

That said - that the public deserves access to beaches and frequencies - now the question comes up - to what purpose may the public put these public amateur bands to?

Currently, the FCC rules are given to forbid "broadcasting" and "willful interference", for the amateur service.

However, these rules may be very arbitrary.

I would compare the broadcasting rule, and also the music rule, to a rule allows walking on a beach but not swimming at the beach. In some cases, a no-swimming rule may be appropriate. However, there should be opportunities for the public to - say - go swimming! Likewise, it may be appropriate for the Government/FCC to rule that broadcasting is inappropriate ***in some cases***. But is is not appropriate that amateur broadcasting should be totally forbidden. To totally forbid amateur broadcasting is just like totally forbidding swimming in all public parks. Or camping. Or hiking. It just doesn't make sence.

If one has the time, one should read about the history of this rule. The rule that forbids amateur broadcasting was put into place at the behest of the professional broadcasters. The professionals have a very powerful lobby, and this rule was put in place. The rule didn't affect the hams at the ARRL, because of their own reasons - mainly I think because these hams were interested in other things, things that we think of as ham radio.

But there is no reason at all why amateur radio operators could not "broadcast", sans FCC rule.

I - for one - am in favor of allowing the public to broadcast - music - talk - any format at all - under controled, licensed conditions. It should be as easy to get a "broadcast" license as it is to get an amateur license, and these broadcast licenses should be just as available as a ham license.

Details? Which frequencies, what power, antenna, hours, etc? These details can be worked out.

I have said enough for one day -
thanks for your time and consideration
Joe Cotton
n3iqa
n3iqa@arrl.net



 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by KB1KIX on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Seems like it's time to jump on 40 and fire up a spark gap transmitter.... OK, I know it's not legit.... but it is sooooooo sweet of an idea....

Legally, I have to say there is no difference between the ARRL and K1MAN - hence why he hasn't had his gear confiscated. However, nobody said he had to have class, either.

I personally don't like to listen to the dribble, but his thinking it's "HIS" frequency is a joke.

Jonathan
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WA4MJF on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Johnathan,

Legally,the difference is there are
control ops (paid in accord with
Part 97) present when W1AW is on
the air and at K1MAN when the FCC
comes by and the station is on the
air there is no control op present.
Baxter told the FCC his control operator
is a "Radio Shack Timer". I don't think
the bulletins are the issue, but rather
a lack of a control operator. That has
been the constant the constant theme of
the letters, with a few side issues
thrown in. I've never seen in the
letters anything about him not being
able to have bulletins of general
interest to hams.

Happy Holidaze!

73 de Ronnie
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by KG5JJ on November 30, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
If K1MAN and detractors are operating on the same frequency, it means they are leaving everyone else alone. Let the FCC round them up like shooting fish in a rain barrel.

He hasn't bothered me in the least...why would anyone want to listen to, let alone add to the effluent? I keep a safe distance from social degenerates, whether on the ham bands, or in real life.

73 KG5JJ (Mike)
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WB8NUT on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
He's doing a lot different than W1AW. W1AW is performing a service. Baxter is not. Playing your phone answering machine messages for hours on end is not a service.

W1AW does not take up the same frequency for hour on end. K1MAN does and in addition to above, broadcast "talk shows" which is clearly an abuse. Never heard a W1AW talk show.

His station is unattended at times which is against regulations. Hours of a carrier on the air is proof that he is at times not in control of the station. W1AW is nothing close to K1MAN - thank God for that!

Baxter's phoney organization is doing nothing for ham radio despite him trying to make it legit. All he is doing is trying to raise money for himself. Anyone see financial reports? You can get the ARRL's from the IRS. Where's his organization's journal? How about membership numbers? He acts like it performs a
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by NL7SX on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I always felt an irritation when coming across K1MAN on the ham bands. I would listen for a few minutes, realize that this is not an efficient way of passing information and then equate the transmissions with the shortwave broadcasters that destroyed 40 meters. A restriction to 30 minutes a day for voice transmissions (broadcasts) from W1AW and K1MAN on any one band should solve the problem.
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WB5OAU on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I'm not sure that there's anything anyone can do about K1BOY and his ego-casts.

It's unfortunate that an ego-driven dim-bulb with a Radio Shack wall timer, can cause so much grief for so many people.

There's one in every crowd. We can be happy there's so few of them in Ham Radio.

John
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WB5OAU on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I'm not sure that there's anything anyone can do about K1BOY and his ego-casts.

It's unfortunate that an ego-driven dim-bulb with a Radio Shack wall timer, can cause so much grief for so many people.

There's one in every crowd. We can be happy there's so few of them in Ham Radio.

John
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ronnie, thanks for the explanations. I was not going to go into all the details, but yours may be helpful to some. As you note, there are several methods of varying the frequency of an oscillator. Of course, it is not a fixed-frequency oscillator that we are talking about. It is a variable frequency oscillator - a generic term - which is abbreviated VFO.

The earliest VFOs were LC circuits, some varied the inductance, some the capacitance. Later came PTOs, even later came PLLs. All are Variable Frequency Oscillators. A generic term, not a specific one.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by NL7SX on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Orwellian "doublespeak". Patriot Act vs. infringement on constitutional liberty, etc. Ideology vs common sense. Europe's new constitution is better than America's so one can expect more truth, common sense, and creative wellbeing from Europe as America "steps back into time", trying to reform Islam.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WA4MJF on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ok, well, I'm not an EE by a long
shot, just an ole retired cop. I have
always thought that in a PLL the Oscillator
was crystal controled and the frequency
remained fixed and therefore not varied.
It was the dividing
and multiplying of that crystal's
frequency within the sub loop, main loop
and VCOs that changed the operating
frequency.

Speaking of crystals, many, many moons
ago I built a VXO that allowed me to
still be crystal controlled as a Novice
and still move the transmit frequency
a bit, However, that is another story.

Happy Holidaze!

73 de Ronnie

 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WA4MJF on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I should have added mixing, to
the dividing and multiplying.

 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WILLY on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
by N3IQA on November 30, 2004

"This is a popluar topic! Having read most of the above posts, I have a comment that apparently was not made yet.... "

Yes, it is a popular topic. And your post was quite interesting - - thought provoking, to say the least.
Tnx.

"...
I - for one - am in favor of allowing the public to broadcast - music - talk - any format at all - under controled, licensed conditions. It should be as easy to get a "broadcast" license as it is to get an amateur license, and these broadcast licenses should be just as available as a ham license."

This - This is quite a concept.
Very interesting angle.

If this existed, then we could say to K1MAN, "Go there - there is a place for you." , just like we can currently say to those that want to jabber on HF frequencies with phone, and do so without the effort to get a ham license, that the FCC has a place for them - the Clown Band.



"Details? Which frequencies, "

Just so long as the frequencies are not allocated from the present ham bands!! :)

"...
thanks for your time and consideration"

Tnx for sharing some interesting thoughts.


73
 
RE: K1MAN QRM  
by W5JON on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
TO KG5JJ...

Per my previous suggestion:

"So to all the wise men that suggest "just turn the knob", I hope you have posted in your shack the times that the K1MAN "broadcast" is "scheduled" to operate on 3.890, 3.977, 3.885, 3.975 and 14.275, so you can "just turn the knob". Because in the past two weeks alone the "broadcast" has been on ALL these frequencies."

On each of these frequencies are (were) nets, that have existed for years prior to K1MAN "selecting" that frequency. So I guess your suggestion to them is to just move your net if K1MAN decides he wants that frequency. How about you explain that to the "Net Control" operator.

So you better keep checking K1MAN "broadcast schedule" (it has changed five times in the past two weeks) and posting it in your shack. I would not want you to be at "fault" like many of us and be using a "K1MAN frequency" when he starts up his "broadcast" on top of your QRO or Net.

73,

John W5JON

 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by W9WHE-II on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
HOW IS THIS FOR A STRATEGY:

INUNDATE THE FCC WITH PETITIONS TO LIMIT ONE-WAY BROADCASTING:

1) BY AGGRAGATE AMOUNT OF TIME IN 24 HOURS (ie, no more than 30 min total)
2) BY FREQUENCY (LIMITED TO 11 METERS)
3) BY LIMITING BROADCASTS TO FACTS (NOT OPINIONS)
4) PROHIBITING OVERT SELF PROMOTION


W9WHE
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by N2NZJ on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
IF SOMEONE WOULD DRAFT A FORMAL PETITION. I am sure it would get more than enough signatures TO CAN THIS IDIOT OFF THE AIR FOR GOOD!!!!!!!!!.we can B**** MOAN AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS IDIOTS ACTIONS ALL WE WANT. but if no one drafts any formal ACTION. this EGOCENTRIC IDIOT will just keep up his ANTICS and laugh at all of US. ACTION = KICK 1 MAN OFF THE AIR FOR GOOD. so some club or organization should implement an EFFORT. so we should PUT UP AN EFFORT OR QRT THE ISSUE. so 73 TOM
 
RE: K1MAN QRM  
by K4JF on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<So you better keep checking K1MAN "broadcast schedule" (it has changed five times in the past two weeks) and posting it in your shack. I would not want you to be at "fault" like many of us and be using a "K1MAN frequency" when he starts up his "broadcast" on top of your QRO or Net.>

NO SIR!!! I will NOT check thew K1MAN broadcast schedules because they are of no value, as broadcasting is illegal on all ham bands. If a frequency and mode I choose, within my operating privileges, is vacant at the time I choose to initiate a QSO, then the frequency is available, and anyone who comes on that frequency thereafter is in violation of FCC rules, until I and my QSO partner(s) choose to end the QSO. And I will report any deliberate interference.

Simple, isn't it? (Yes, I know, your suggestion to check the schedule was tongue-in-cheek.)
 
RE: K1MAN QRM  
by K8UPA on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ever listen to his "service bulletins"? Anyone with a comment can call 1-800-blah blah blah. Why can't you just hit the transmitter to reply?, oh I forgot, no control operator. If you want a qsl card just call 1-800-blah blah blah. BWAHAHAHA that means I can get your qsl card simply by calling you via ma bell? Talk about propogation. What a fruitcake.
 
RE: K1MAN QRM  
by K8UPA on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
oops should have been propagation. Hate to make his nazi list over a typo :)
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
< have
always thought that in a PLL the Oscillator
was crystal controled and the frequency
remained fixed and therefore not varied.
It was the dividing
and multiplying of that crystal's
frequency within the sub loop, main loop
and VCOs that changed the operating
frequency. >
You're exactly right, Ronnie. But the result is an oscillator whose frequency is changable by the operator. In other words, "variable".

Betcha the ads for your rig brag: "Dual VFOs".

We're not differing, incidentally. You are using the precise terms, I'm using the generic. More like saying a "car" and a "Chevrolet" are not different. :o)

Back to the subject of this forum, move the frequency-controlling-device of your radio if you don't want to hear a particular person. Right?? :o)
 
RE: ARRL vs. K1MAN: Time for Realistic Thought  
by K4JF on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<"ARRL acively represents all Amateurs without asking if they are members or not."

Really? Is that why the term "freeloader" was unleashed for use when referring to non-members, in a public forum by an ARRL PAID official, in response to views & suggestions about say the "battle" over BPL? The ARRL clearly despises the other ~600,000 of us who choose not to "belong", verging on a religious ideaology. The only thing the ARRL has succeeded in is destroying the fabric of the fraternity when "incentive" licensing was forced on everyone of us. Now, they seek to continue the shuffling of the classes & to preserve their monopoly of steering opinion. >

Come ON!!! Stop with the "incentive licensing" diatribe. I got tired of hearing that 30 years ago, after "incentive licensing" enabled me to become an Amateur Radio Operator. It has proved its worth over and over again. I'm an Extra (have been a few years), a VE, have Elmered a number of hams, have participated in numerous emergency activities and drills. I've operated in public service, participated in SkyWarn, and thereby contributed to the betterment of my country, as well as had friendly discourse with hams in over 160 countries, thereby advancing international goodwill. I'm a bit tired of hearing that I should have never been allowed to be a ham.

As for ARRL representing all hams, have you EVER heard them say to the FCC or internationally that whatever it is they are proposing should apply only to their members??? No, you haven't. And you won't. They work for the advancement of all Amateur radio, not just members. The only difference is that non-members are not helping with the cost, and are not making their wishes known. As the ONLY national association of Amateurs, they represent us all in the same way that NRA represents all hunters and shooters, and NAACP represents those of us with African ancestry.

Yes, I know I'm comparing ARRL to civil rights organizations, and probably shouldn't, as there are no "rights" involved in Amateur radio, but with that caveat, the comparison stands. Especially since those who choose to have no voice in the operation of the organizations still stand to benefit (or lose) by the results. Personally, I'd rather be heard.
 
RE: ARRL vs. K1MAN: Time for Realistic Thought  
by WA4MJF on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Amen on that, if it were not
for incentive licensing, I'd
probably still be a General.

Err, that is the NAALCP :-)

Gotcha on the generic VFO, I don't
have any dual tuning radios all just
one frequency at a time. My 728
manuals just refer to it as the
Main Dial and the R-71A manuals
as the Tuning Control.


Happy Holidaze!

73 de Ronnie
 
K1MAN: Time for a lobotomy  
by WB5OAU on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Come to think of it, providing an international tune up frequency IS a useful benefit of a K1BOY broadcast...
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a lobotomy  
by W8JI on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
What you all keep ignoring is his broadcasts are legal if he complies with regulations. The content and how we feel about the content is absolutely meaningless.

If you really want to get rid of the problem the rules that permit stations to broadcast need changed. Asking the FCC to single out one of the half-dozen stations who operate the same way won't fly.

73 Tom
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a lobotomy  
by K4JF on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<What you all keep ignoring is his broadcasts are legal if he complies with regulations. The content and how we feel about the content is absolutely meaningless. >

Of course, what we feel about the content is irrelevqant. But content CAN be illegal, and I believe lots of his is. Examples: he has recorded and broadcast telephone conversations without permission of the caller. That IS illegal. The FCC letter pointed out several instances of his illegality. His coming in on top of the Scouts was illegal. His timer control is illegal. His one-way "broadcasts" are illegal. We could go on and on.
 
RE: ARRL vs. K1MAN: Time for Realistic Thought  
by K4JF on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<Gotcha on the generic VFO, I don't
have any dual tuning radios all just
one frequency at a time. My 728
manuals just refer to it as the
Main Dial and the R-71A manuals
as the Tuning Control. >

Yup, ya got ne, Ronnie.

Merry Christmas!
 
RE: K1MAN QRM  
by KG5JJ on December 1, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
To W5JON:

TO KG5JJ...

Per my previous suggestion:

"So to all the wise men that suggest "just turn the knob", I hope you have posted in your shack the times that the K1MAN "broadcast" is "scheduled" to operate on 3.890, 3.977, 3.885, 3.975 and 14.275, so you can "just turn the knob". Because in the past two weeks alone the "broadcast" has been on ALL these frequencies."

On each of these frequencies are (were) nets, that have existed for years prior to K1MAN "selecting" that frequency. So I guess your suggestion to them is to just move your net if K1MAN decides he wants that frequency. How about you explain that to the "Net Control" operator.

So you better keep checking K1MAN "broadcast schedule" (it has changed five times in the past two weeks) and posting it in your shack. I would not want you to be at "fault" like many of us and be using a "K1MAN frequency" when he starts up his "broadcast" on top of your QRO or Net.

73,

John W5JON

+++++++++++++++++

John, it is unfortunate that K1MAN is QRM'ing nets, but don't presume I'd suggest to anyone they move their net so he may operate.

Again, K1MAN has not affected me directly in my operation in amateur radio, since I started in 1977, but in no way do I condone his operation/behavior.

73 KG5JJ (Mike)
 
RE: K1MAN QRM  
by WILLY on December 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
by K8UPA on December 1, 2004

"Ever listen to his "service bulletins"? Anyone with a comment can call 1-800-blah blah blah. Why can't you just hit the transmitter to reply?, oh I forgot, no control operator. If you want a qsl card just call 1-800-blah blah blah. ..."


This brings a thought to mind.

He has an 800 number? 800 numbers imply that the receiver of the call is paying for the call.

Would he go broke if he received many phone calls daily?
 
RE: K1MAN QRM  
by K6BBC on December 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
What would happen to ham radio without the spice provided by “shows” and their detractors? Through the years, there have always those who provide the entertainment. The court jester for instance. Michael Moore. In the seventies it was WA6GVG here on the west coast. There is a misconception by many that the world would be perfect only if… It never quite works that way. Everyone has played the carnival game with the hammer and the popping heads. You whap one head, another pops out from another hole. This game is the perfect analogy for life. In fact, all questions of our existence can be answered by three sources; that game (individual experience), professional wrestling (political and international relations), and The Godfather (all philosophy).

K6BBC
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a lobotomy  
by KD4LEI on December 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Gee talking about playing back phone voice mail's to people were not apart of the conversation IS illegal.

Check out this site for an archived article about a certain former senator from Virginia who got in trouble for giving a tape recorded phone call of then VA Lt. Gov Doug Wilder to the Washington Post back in '91.

http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-Pilot/issues/1997/vp970119/01190015.htm

One impropriety of MAN's is the fact he plays back conversations of recorded phone messages NOT privied to ears of those who were not at his QTH to hear them. However, there are some there who get a kick out of hearing either their own conversations making fun of him or listening to them all period. The majority of those messages are childish if you ask me and frankly, it feeds Baxter's ego...

Frankly it's not just the FCC that would come after him on that sole fact, but I believe the FBI as well. But... He's been doing it for a while, so I doubt they're tripping over each other in the Bureau to get him based on years of evidence from that sole issue.

I say Riley is holding out all this while, to set aside his license when it comes time for Glenn to renew. This is what is taking so long (IMHO).

Just my $.02 about the K1MAN "It's all about me (Glenn Baxter)" Radio Program.
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WB5PLJ on December 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I don't understand. How can he Broadcast on 14.275 that is a ham frequency and you can't broadcast on ham bands. did I miss sometning?

Also I have never heard of K1MAN before by the way.
 
RE: K1MAN QRM  
by K0NEB on December 2, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K6BBC,
I remember hearing WA6 Gag Vomit Gag very clearly here in the midwest late at night on 75M. He used to talk nightly about atheism to the "Pope of Death Valley", W7DVJ in Las Vegas and created a howl that lasted most of the night here on 3.920 MHz. All I know is DVJ got hit by a car on the LV Expressway years ago...what happened to Ralph??
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by N8CPA on December 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Here's the major difference between W1AW and <MAN
(I will not legitimize those letters with an American Amateur Radio Prefix):

W1AW begins their bulletins with, "CALLING ALL RADIO AMATEURS" on voice, "QST" on Digital modes. What follows is information pertaining to Amateur Radio.

<MAN begins his transmissions with an announcement that what follows is a call-in talk show. The announcement has not restricted potential callers to the ranks of amateurs, the times I've heard it.

It should be clear to anyone who has read Part 97 that what defines the difference between a transmission and a broadcast is the intended audience. W1AW announcements are specifically intended for amateurs. The other signal source is for anyone who can drool and dial, which is a violation of the Part 97 portions cited in the lead post.

But I don't think he will be a problem much longer. <MAN has already tied his co-ax into a noose. Riley will soon let him know it is tight enough. And like others, I will let his advertisers know that their products and services are not needed by this station.
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by HAMDUDE on December 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K1MAN is nothing but useless QRM no matter what frequency he occupies. Someone should visit his place and just switch his feedlines over to a cantenna. Since he never listens, hed never know the difference anyway!
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K5XS on December 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Thanks for all the suggestions and comments.

It is clear to me that the only way anything will change is to formalize our complaints.

I therefore wrote the following complaint today and emailed it to FCCHAM@fcc.gov:

Bernard K. Skoch
21142 Kirksey Road
Elkins, Arkansas 72727
December 3, 2004

FCC Enforcement
1270 Fairfield Road
Gettysburg, PA 17325.

Dear Sirs:

This is a formal compaint regarding the operation of amateur radio station K1MAN. Its continued operation as a bulletin station is in my view in violation of the provisions of Section 97.111 (b)(6) as a “Transmission necessary to disseminate information bulletins."

As I listen now (1842UTC, 3 Dec 2004) on 14.275 MHz, I am hearing for the third time in the past week a telephone "interview" which does nothing to disseminate "information" and instead is serving as a platform for editorial views regarding the corruption of the FCC, the corruption of the ARRL, and the supposed idiocy of FCC Special Counsel Riley Hollingsworth. This same broadcast is aired over and over and over again on amateur frequency 14.275 MHz, and serves no useful purpose that I can discern.

The broadcasts violate the spirit and intent of Part 97 by inappropriately using the amateur service for the broadcast of matters that while loosely associated with the regulation and enforcement of amateur radio as a service, are completely unrelated to amateur radio operations. Further, the broadcasts direct listeners to a commercial web site http://www.k1man.com/, in my view using the amateur radio service for the promotion of commercial interests.

I request that enforcement action be taken to terminate the broadcasts.




Bernard K. Skoch


I received a nice email reply from Riley Hollingsworth asking that I sign the complaint and either:

1) Fax it to 717-338-2574,
2) Scan and e mail it to FCCHAM@fcc.gov, or
3) Mail it to Riley Hollingsorth at FCC Enforcement,1270 Fairfield Road, Gettysburg, PA 17325

I have signed and fax'd my complaint.

If you are as bothered by continued broadcasting on 20 meters, you may want to do likewise.

73,

Bernie Skoch
K5XS

 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WO8USA on December 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K1MAN is irrelevant. He wants attention. Treat it/him as such an he/it will go away.

Do not call his "show"
Do not mention him
Do not discuss him
Ignore his very existance

The only action which should be taken is directly to the FCC with clear, legitimate complaints. The have the authority to deal with him.

Chris WO8USA
 
K1MAN  
by W5JON on December 3, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
To k6bbc

Okay we get the picture, it is no big deal to you. You need not remind us constantly of that, you have made your point.

But to some of us that:

1. Have had our Nets that have been on a frequency for years, to suddenly be QRM'ed, when K1MAN decided he now want's to "broadcast" on the frequency, it is a "big deal".

2. That have been labeled a "N@zi" on the K1MAN Web Page, because they posted a comment on QRZ, it is a "big deal".

3. That have been labeled a "N@zi Brown Shirt, Youth Leader for the Boy Scouts" on the K1MAN Web Page, because they sent a complaint to the FCC, it is a "big deal".

4. That have to guess which, and how many of the five frequencies, K1MAN uses on 75 Meters, will be wiped out today, it is a "big deal".

5. The K1MAN "broadcast" takes up a third of the, long established, AM portion of 75 Meters, it is a "big deal".

6. That try and abide by the FCC rules, his 15 years worth of violations is a "big deal"

7. Care that the whole world hear his "broadcast" rantings, totally unrelated to Amateur Radio, on 14.275 for 22 hour a day, it is a "big deal"

So please, please stop reminding me, to you it is not a "big deal". Because to a lot of us, not on the left coast, it is a "big deal".

John W5JON
 
RE: K1MAN  
by K6BBC on December 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
My goodness John, you blasted me in two different places. I get it. I get it! Yes, yes, I live on the left coast and associate with Hollywood commies. All true.

Frankly, if I lived in as nice of digs as you, I would spend a lot less time stressing. Just a thought. WOW! Nice place!!!

K6BBC
 
RE: K1MAN  
by W5JON on December 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
k6bbc:

You post in two places, I reply in two places ..... what a concept.

Believe me, I am not "stessing", and am far from it.

I may not be a cool west coast kind of guy like you, however, I do take what is say and put on a WEB site about my, name, and reputation very seriously.

Perhaps that, and hard work, is why I have "nice digs" ... thanks.

73,

John W5JON

 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by KB7YOU on December 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
N3IQA Wrote ...
[IMHO i compare the airwaves to the beaches and parks... ]

Thanks! I could not have said this better. I've had this thought for some time and I just could not express it clearly. I agree 100% RF spectrum is a natural resource and governments and greedy corporations have no more right to it than the average citizen. Personally I'm in the hobby to experiment with RF and electronics and to meet like minded people. Public service has never really interested me - although I do help out in a few minor ways. I really like showing the value of this hobby to kids.

As for the K1MAN issue: After reading this thread I decided to tune in. Did not hear anything really interesting but I did not see anything wrong with what the MAN was doing.

What shocked, saddened and offended me the most were the OTHER STATIONS jamming, whistling, making threatening comments (C4 on the tower, someone said) and not identifying. What a bunch of assholes.

I always thought that in America we allowed and encouraged people to go their own way and do their own thing. These days however it seems that anyone who is outside some consumerism, shallow, me first based, ultra conservative media defined norm is feared, loathed and destroyed. So much for the American dream huh?

If you don't like the MAN then don't listen. To threaten to KILL him is just wrong. Also don't forget to follow the FCC rules and good amateur practice. In other words ID, don't tune up on others and watch what you say.

I found the behavior of the people protesting K1MAN to be far more damaging than the K1MAN information bulletin.

Here is a thought – instead of spewing hate in these forums, how about being a good ham and a good citizen. Jump over to the Elmer’s forum and help out some new hams. I do and I find it quite satisfying.

73
Chris Levin
KB7YOU
http://radio.rocklizard.org
 
RE: K1MAN QRM  
by KB7YOU on December 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
W5JON wrote
[On each of these frequencies are (were) nets, that have existed for years prior to K1MAN "selecting" that frequency…..]

Ya know, I don’t have any sympathy for a good number of these “nets”. I am a careful and considerate operator. I don’t tune up on others, I listen first and I move if I am causing a problem. The ONLY problems I have ever had on the air are from nets and the net frequency watchers who drive people away. I’ve been in QSO’s and been told a net is going to start. I’m then jammed and driven away by people I know can damn well hear me – they just talked to me!

So, tough nuts to your nets. Maybe if you follow the rules you might get more sympathy.

Please don’t misunderstand me. I like nets. They are a great way to meet people and many do some very cool stuff. But as in any other group, there are bad apples that ruin it for others.

Remember – poor operating is poor operating. No matter if it’s you and your good buddies, a net or K1MAN. Bad is bad. Here’s whistling at you.

Finally – NOBODY owns a frequency. Not you, your net, me or K1MAN. Once we have the same rules for everyone maybe we can fix some of these problems.

73
Chris Levin
KB7YOU
http://radio.rocklizard.org
 
RE: K1MAN QRM  
by K6BBC on December 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ya know John, I work hard too – when I’m not out sunbathing on the beach at Malibu or eating lunch at The Palm that is. But here is a little tip. I work at my computer a great deal of the day. I have discovered K1MAN is a wonderful white noise generator. My concentration has improved enormously since I discovered his “broadcast.” And a big thank you goes to everyone who makes it all possible.

THANK YOU! THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!!!

K6BBC
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K6KDK on December 4, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Bernie Skoch
K5XS

Hey Bernie, why haven't you filed a "formal complaint" about the ARRL broadcasts?

-Dan K6KDK
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on December 5, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<ultra conservative media >

Boy, THERE'S a classic oxymoron for ya!
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K5XS on December 5, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
For Dan, K6KDK:

<Hey Bernie, why haven't you filed a "formal complaint" about the ARRL broadcasts?

-Dan K6KDK>

Dan,

I generally don't like to respond to individual posts in a message thread like this one, but as I don't think your question was really "one-on-one" but was a continuation of the open discussion, I will. (I'll add also that from the tone of your question, I suspect it is more a statement of disagreement than a sincere request for my rationale, but I'll respond anyway.)

My reasons:

1) Because I regard the ARRL as a legitimate organization promoting the best interests of amateur radio, but I do not regard K1MAN and his organization as such.

2) Because I believe ARRL broadcasts are consistently compliant with Part 97.111.(b)(6), dealing with matters of general interest to amateur radio. I do not believe the K1MAN broadcasts, with all their editorializations and crude verbiage, do.

3) Because the W1AW broadcasts are reasonably constrained in terms of how often they are broadcast and how often they are repeated. I think the 21 hours per day K1MAN broadcasts is excessive and that the frequent repetition of the same material as an inappropriate commentary in its own right.

4) Because I do not believe the K1MAN broadcasts serve any useful purpose, but believe the ARRL broadcasts do.

73,
Bernie Skoch
K5XS
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4RAF on December 5, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"W1AW broadcasts are reasonably constrained in terms of how often they are broadcast and how often they are repeated..."

OK, so parallel frequencies & a half page schedule of the broadcasts is "constrained"? I'd hate to see unchained.

I think the fact that everyone is mentioning content is laughable. There is no difference under Part 97 & if K1MAN is removed, so must W1AW.

Oh the broken little hearts...
 
I think most are still missing the point  
by WA4MJF on December 5, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
As I read the enforcement letters
to Baxter, the issue that continues
through all is no control operator.
Baxter reportedly stated that a "Radio
Shack timer" was his control op.

I'm sure if the FCC engineers went to
W1AW and found no control operator on duty,
the FCC's reaction would be the same.

Now, I could have over looked something.
Can anyone point to a letter that says to
the effect that broadcasting the Newsline,
Bulletins, etc is what the FCC has problems with?

Happy Holidaze!

73 de Ronnie
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by AI8H on December 5, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Yes, he is a strange fellow. But, say it or not - K1MAN does inspire a good bit of controversy and emotion for this amateur radio hobby; And it IS just that: a hobby ... never forget that my friends. Glen may be trying inspire something besides hate for him ... maybe for us all to fight for our territory by focusing on him.
 
RE: ARRL vs. K1MAN: Time for Realistic Thought  
by K4RAF on December 5, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"As the ONLY national association of Amateurs, they represent us all in the same way that NRA represents all hunters and shooters, and NAACP represents those of us with African ancestry."

K4JF, This is pure & total BS - Barbra Streisand...

The NRA & NAACP don't refer to non-"members" as freeloaders. The NRA is the single largest civilian sponsor of (free) gun safety training in the US. The NAACP has much competition. The ARRL isn't defending constitutional or human rights, just a stagnant hobby. They are currently "certifying" the plainly obvious of 20 years ago, antennas, response, etc as a way to increase the cash flow... The ARRL only represents itself & its' own exclusive intere$t$... It is more commercial than K1MAN by far, with $40 books that can be had for $15 if you search the web! That shows the margin of profit those revenue development employees develop as steering policy.

You seem to be one who seeks to have the last word, on everything. I honestly don't care if my points about incentive licensing upsets you. You actually connect incentive licensing with your radio resume? My elmer had told me what the result of incentive licensing would be, a fragmentation beyond control or repair. The man who is now a SK was so right on & ahead of his time, it leaves me in total awe of older amateurs who didn't need any "incentive" to excel!!!

The fact you & others can't see these 2 situations as EQUAL under the word of the law makes my point of being blind to reality...
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by W4LGH on December 5, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The solution is very simple...Write the GOVT. (FCC) and have them STOP both K1MAN & the ARRL from BROADCASTING on Amateur frequencies! I seem to recall a question on the FCC test asking... When is it legal to "BROADCAST" in the amateur bands?... and the correct answer is NEVER!

I would also like to see the FCC clean up several groups on 75 meters who continue to extreme profanity on the air. Everyone seems to keep refering to... The right to free speech, but one also has the right NOT to listen!!! Again, I seem to remember another rule that says PROFANITY is NOT allowed on amateur bands... Has nothing to do with FREE Speech... just another simple rule you agreed to when you got your license!

Remember its not the Class License the Amateur holds, but the Class of the Amateur that holds it! Lets CLEAN this mess up!

Interfearing with K1MAN's broadcasts is not the answer, as it is illegal to cause harmful interfearence, and 2 wrongs do not make a right!!

73, Happy Holidays...de W4LGH - Alan
http://www.w4lgh.com
 
RE: ARRL vs. K1MAN: Time for Realistic Thought  
by K4JF on December 5, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<You actually connect incentive licensing with your radio resume?>

Of course I do. You need to read the entire statement. I SAID that without incentive licensing I would quite probably never have been able to become a ham, and I HAVE done some good on the bands in the last 30 years.

You maintain that Amateur Radio would have been better off without me, and frankly, with my resume', I resent that attitude.

If that sounds like I'm tooting my own horn, then so be it. There are thousands more just like me.
 
RE: ARRL vs. K1MAN: Time for Realistic Thought  
by N2NZJ on December 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
JUST SLAP TOGETHER A GOOD SOLID PETITION.and get this guy OFF THE AIR FOR GOOD. CORRECT answer " NEVER " no BROADCASTING of any kind on the AMATEUR BAND. none ZILCH end of story. reality and COMMON SENSE SHOULD PREVAIL PERIOD on this ISSUE. shut down ALL one way BROADCASTING on the amateur BANDS. there should be no if an's or MAYBES about THIS the LAW says "NEVER".AND THERE should be no argument here.SHUT'EM DOWN PERIOD.73 to all TOM
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WILLY on December 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
by W4LGH on December 5, 2004

"...
Everyone seems to keep refering to... The right to free speech, ..."

Not often do I see anyone refute this either. It amazes me.
While we do have the right to free speech, apparently those that are invoking it have no idea as to what it really means - or, and I really suspect this, they are hoping that their audience does not, and will accept their silly argument.

In simple terms, free speech means that you will not be arrested for what you say. A classic example would be critizing the government. In many countries throughout history, that could get you jailed, or worse.
Note though, and this is important - the right to free speech does not protect you if you speak in the wrong place! It only protects one's right to say it, not to say it virtually anywhere.

So, we should all defend K1MAN's right to free speech. If he would like to rent an auditorium and give a speeck to anyone that would like to attend, he certainly has that right. I'd even go so far as to say that he can use public land, for free, if he reserves and coordinates his space in advance. Again, anyone that wishes to attend should be allowed to freely do so.

The point is: He does have the right to say whatever he wishes, but he does NOT have the right to do so on the amateur bands.
 
RE: K1MAN  
by W5JON on December 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K4RAF:

Why is your call not listed on QRZ ... just curious.

 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on December 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<The solution is very simple...Write the GOVT. (FCC) and have them STOP both K1MAN & the ARRL from BROADCASTING on Amateur frequencies! I seem to recall a question on the FCC test asking... When is it legal to "BROADCAST" in the amateur bands?... and the correct answer is NEVER!>

Broadcasting IS illegal. K1MAN is broadcasting, under the legal definition. W1AW is NOT. It's that simple. Amateur information-specific bulletins are provided for under the regulations, which were written specifically for W1AW. K1MAN is doing something completely different. It's not really hard to understand.
 
RE: K1MAN  
by K4RAF on December 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"K4RAF: Why is your call not listed on QRZ ... just curious."

Write me at K4RAF@yahoo.com & I'd be happy to tell you why I am now unlisted on QRZ.

I am listed on the FCC ULS, the only one that matters!
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4RAF on December 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"K1MAN is broadcasting, under the legal definition. W1AW is NOT. It's that simple."

Simply bonkers! Both are broadcasting yet one is on a scale that eclipses the other, IMHO.

Time to either start or stop the meds !!!
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4RAF on December 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"I seem to remember another rule that says PROFANITY is NOT allowed on amateur bands... Has nothing to do with FREE Speech... just another simple rule you agreed to when you got your license!"

When the FCC can clearly define it, then they can try to enforce it. They have yet to make a case over language on the bands. I wonder what groups you are upset by?

The simple fact of signing your license does not waive your constitutional right to free speech. It actually grants the FCC a waiver over the 4th Amendment, in order to inspect your station on demand, nothing more.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by N2NZJ on December 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
NO PROFANITY OR ONE WAY BROADCASTING when we signed our license that is a clear DEFINITION OF F C C law no maybe this or might be this interpretation. IT IS CLEAR TO US NO PROFANITY OR ONE WAY BROADCASTING.now whose going to UPHOLD THE LAW??????????????????. THIS IS MY LAST THREAD ON THIS ISSUE. if anyone cares clean up the act or our BANDS will be sold off to the highist BIDDER. so 73 to all TOM
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WA2DYA on December 6, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
It would be nice if everyone observed the spirit of the law. Unfortunately, there will always be a hard core of 'Outhouse Lawers' who will exploit regulatory loopholes to do as they please. I guess that's the way it is in a democratic society.

--- CHAS
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WILLY on December 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
by K4RAF on December 6, 2004

"
"I seem to remember another rule that says PROFANITY is NOT allowed on amateur bands... Has nothing to do with FREE Speech... just another simple rule you agreed to when you got your license!"

When the FCC can clearly define it, then they can try to enforce it. They have yet to make a case over language on the bands. I wonder what groups you are upset by?

The simple fact of signing your license does not waive your constitutional right to free speech. ... "


Of course, if one desires to use profanity, or any other language content for that matter, one if free to do so in one's own home for example. Or a friends home. Or, one could rent an auditorium, and either invite others in, or actually charge them a fee to enter and listen. Think about it - comedians do this for a living.
All these are examples of free speech, and are protected.

Using profanity on the air is NOT an example of free speech. Therefore, I wonder why you introduce something that is irrelevant?

See my earlier post.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WILLY on December 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
by WA2DYA on December 6, 2004

"It would be nice if everyone observed the spirit of the law. Unfortunately, there will always be a hard core of 'Outhouse Lawers' who will exploit regulatory loopholes to do as they please."

This sums it up very well. Bravo!


" I guess that's the way it is in a democratic society. "

Yep.

And they can discuss it all they want too, in an appropriate place - without fear of the government coming and tossing them in jail just for talking about it. *That* is an example of free speech.


73
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on December 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<"K1MAN is broadcasting, under the legal definition. W1AW is NOT. It's that simple."

Simply bonkers! Both are broadcasting yet one is on a scale that eclipses the other, IMHO.

Time to either start or stop the meds !!! >

No meds in the house or necessary, RAF. Read the entire post; don't take stuff out of context. W1AW is absolutely completely legal under rules written for that purpose. I suggest a bit of study of Amateur Radio history.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WT4M on December 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
I have seen K1MAN's web site and can honestly say I find it somewhat crudely developed, certainly not on par with other Amateur sites I use quite often (eHam/QRZ/ARRL/Dean Gibson's Amateur Radio Database Query Tools). I didn't really see any useful information there that would warrant my returning to it. Furthermore, much of its contents appear to be a "conspiracy theory diatribe against the FCC and ARRL".
I have never had the misfortune of listening to his broadcast, but I can certainly imagine. I decided to I needed to do something, so I followed Chuck's (KI9A) advice and wrote the following email to the companies that appear to be supporting K1MAN (AARA):

----------
To whom it may concern:
I have never done business with your company, but would certainly consider
making a purchase from you in the future, if it were not for one singular
problem. Your company is advertising and offering promotions on
http://www.k1man.com, (also known as the American Amateur Radio Association)
owned an operated by an individual whom I consider to be bringing an ample
amount of discredit to the Amateur community. His website and his
broadcasts are full of hate and are causing all sorts of problems with
Amateurs everywhere. It is a shame. Please read some of the things he has
on his website (of which it seems to me you are endorsing).
Please reconsider advertising with K1MAN or the American Amateur Radio
Association. I will not do business with you and will encourage others not
to do so as well, until you remove your support of this blight on the
Amateur community.
Respectfully,
John Ficke, WT4M

----------
Thus far, I have received the following in reply:

----------
From Universal Radio Inc.:

John,
We formerly, and in writing, severed and cancelled our relationship with K1MAN several years ago.
Despite this, he continues to list Universal Radio on his website along with other companies that
have similarly asked to be removed.

As you know, this individual does not listen to anyone ... including the F.C.C.
We will continue to take steps to have him remove our company name from his website.

In the meantime, we would appreciate any "informal" help you can give us by "passing the word"
that Universal Radio is not associated in any way with K1MAN.

Sincerely,

Fred Osterman
President,
Universal Radio Inc.

----------
From Jun's Electronics:

Hi John,

Thank you for you email. We have been in the process of trying to get
our name removed from the list the past month. Unfortunately, our
emails have not resulted in any actions to date.

I'm pretty certain everyone else on the list is probably in the same
boat.

Please be patient, as we work out a resolution in this matter.

Thank you again,
James Jun

----------
From RT Systems:

We do not support K1MAN and cannot stop him from putting a link to our
website on his site. Sorry that you feel that just because he has a
link to a ham radio dealer that dealer supports him in any way. We did
not ask him to link to our site nor do we pay him any compensation.

What would you do if he put a link to every amateur radio manufacturer
or dealer. Would you get out of amateur radio?

What if he put links to all motor vehicle manufacturers and dealer,
would you quit driving a motor vehicle?

This could go on and on. However if in your narrowmindedness you wish to
not do business with us or any other company that listed on a web site
that you don't like then that is your business and it is fine with us.


Best Regards

Techsupport
RT Systems
PO Box 309
Falkville, AL 35622

Phone: 404-806-3776
Fax: 770-216-1836

Hours:
Monday and Tuesday: Noon until 7:00 PM
Wednesday: Noon until 9:00 PM
All Times Eastern

----------
I apologized to all three for making the assumption that they were in cahoots with K1MAN/AARA. Though I thought RT Systems were kind of rude. If I were in business to sell things, I don't think I would have responded the way they did...

Obviously, complaining to K1MAN has no effect on the content of his web site. Seems he only responds to legal action.

I really don't see why any broadcasting is necessary for information and news or code practice. Perhaps, before the Internet it may have been necessary. I would support a petition to remove it from the rules.

V/r,
John WT4M
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WA2DYA on December 7, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Let's try to understand the regulatory framework governing
the conduct of QST and code practice communications.

It's my turn to be an 'outhouse lawer'.


Looking through part 97 a theme emmerges so lets get it out of the way:

Except for profanity (an issue unto itself), third party traffic, codes and cyphers
coordination of criminal acts, etc, the FCC allows us to legally speak and communicate
freely.

So, arguments concerning the content of an amateur's transmission or his
adherence to a particuar philosophy are personal issues forming no basis for an FCC
administrative sanction.



Next, we must understand what broadcasting is:

97.3 Definitions.

(a) The definitions of terms used in Part 97 are:

...

(10) Broadcasting. Transmissions intended for reception by the general public,
either direct or relayed.
...


Now, lets look at couple of special things we all, as licensed amateurs, can do:


97.111 Authorized Transmissions


(b) In addition to one-way transmissions specifically authorized elsewhere in this Part,
an amateur station may transmit the following types of one-way communications:

...

(5) Transmissions necessary to assisting persons learning, or improving proficiency
in, the international Morse code;

(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins;
..




Finally, Section (a) below covers our normal prohibited activities. But, if we engage in
activities (5) and (6) above or are to be paid while being a control operator,
we also must establish compliance with 97.113 (b), (c) and (d) below.


97.113 Prohibited Transmissions

(a) // Contains common sense things we all should easily understand


(b) An amateur station shall not engage in any form of broadcasting, nor may an amateur
station transmit one-way communications except as specifically provided in these rules;
nor shall an amateur station engage in any activity related to program production or
news gathering for broadcasting purposes, except that communications directly related
to the immediate safety of human life or the protection of property may be provided by
amateur stations to broadcasters for dissemination to the public where no other means of
communication is reasonably available before or at the time of the event.


(c) // Gets professional teachers 'off the hook'


(d) The control operator of a club station may accept compensation for the periods
of time when the station is transmitting telegraphy practice or information bulletins,
provided that the station transmits such telegraphy practice and bulletins for at
least 40 hours per week; schedules operations on at least six amateur service MF and HF
bands using reasonable measures to maximize coverage; where the schedule of normal
operating times and frequencies is published at least 30 days in advance of the actual
transmissions; and where the control operator does not accept any direct or indirect
compensation for any other service as a control operator.

...


Notice how 97.113 (b) prohibits broadcasting in the context of its definition without
prohibiting one way communications of 97.111 (b). Here the FCC makes a distinction between
broadcasting and one way communications.

ARRL and other QST transmissions are one way communications, not broadcasts.


I suspect that 97.113 (d) is a special interest loophole that allows the 'ARRL Club'
to pay its employees. Ironically it requires consumption spectrum/airtime. It also opens
the door for other one way communicators to solicit funds for their 'club' and then operate
in accordance with 97.113 (d).



What an 'intricate web' that entangles us! Let's go play word games with the Supreme Court.


--- CHAS
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on December 8, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Let's see now:
1. Code practice
2. APRS
3. Radio Control of objects, including telemetry
4. Amateur-related information bulletins
5. Beacons

Did I miss anything (other than exceptions related to the safety of life or property)??

OK, K1MAN fits nowhere above. Certainly not #4, as a "bulletin" is, by definition, terse, short and to-the-point.

Those who think he is legal, please quote the regulation not summarized above that allows his broadcast. And I'm not even mentioning his other illegal aspects, such as interference with ongoing communications, lack of control operator, and others.

I didn't think so.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K8UPA on December 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Cheesy website with links to firms who obviously don’t want the association, and a cheesy broadcast. Quite the combo. I actually sat and listened to the “show” last night and surprisingly without qrm. I could only take it for 20 minutes or so but it was hilarious.
Here’s his pal from VE land, you know life of Riley dude, having a “qso” about each others rants. After every pause between the two they say “over”. This goes on until the end of this particular segment, then you hear the phones hang up. BWAHAHAHA At the very least the ARRL broadcasts do not pretend to be on the air.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K3VR on December 9, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The FCC recently warned K1MAN, and on November 30, 2004 the FCC branch office in Boston inspected K1MAN's station.

http://www.arrl.org/news/enforcement_logs/2004/1002.html
http://www.arrl.org/news/enforcement_logs/2004/0501.html
http://www.arrl.org/news/enforcement_logs/1999/0709.html


The next steps the FCC could take are outlined below:

Code of Federal Regulations Title 47, Chapter 1, Part 1

1. Warning notice (already happened)

2. Station inspection (already happened)

3. Notice of violations

4. Notice of apparent liability

5. Suspension or Modification of operator licenses

6. Nonrenewal of operator licenses; or

7. Revocation of operator licenses

Check out http://www.lamonica.com/ if you haven't yet heard K1MAN's apparent violations regarding pecuniary interest and obscenity. I recorded these files personally, and there are lots more where those came from.
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WA2JJH on December 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
cHANCES are the guy is has an excellent attorney.
he could get a real dream team.
spin the VFO. Put in an audio notch filter for his frequency.

Hopefully the FCC are letting the fines, and charges
really build up a tab!

REMEMBER THE SARAH? Bunch of dudes purchased an old humungouse boat. I think it was an oil tanker.

These dudes had the pirate AM/FM/SW station running outside U.S. WATERS.

So they were legal. they ran under 100W.
WELL they loved to cuss. every other word was on the FCC OFFICIAL CUSS LIST.

They had a great range. They had phone in shows.
These dudes were professional. They were very hot.
I think they once came close to howard stern for a day.

Any law official will tell you, you rub our faces with it......Your QRT, B.O.S.E.D then if your lucky you get a B&Red.

They were in international waters, mind you.
Well the Coast Guard raided the boat. There was much drug abuse on this ship.

They cuffed them, left them in the sun for hours, then pulverised all the electronics. Even turn tables and CD machines mere powdered.

To make a long story short. Couple of days in a smelly cell to enjoy the sunburn.

They looked like crap before the judge. TIME SERVED!!!!

Oh...um their commercial and ham tickets were burned in front of them.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4RAF on December 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"I suggest a bit of study of Amateur Radio history."

I suggest you study the actual Part 97 text & find the ARRL/W1AW broadcast waiver.

There is none because there is no difference, except for the excuses you keep inventing...

 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4RAF on December 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Ahhh, yes, the urban legend machine about Radio New York International's M/V Sarah is alive & well...

"There was much drug abuse on this ship..."

That's funny, they were never charged with anything like this... Where did you get this from?

"Oh...um their commercial and ham tickets were burned in front of them."

Also very funny. First, that would have denied them due process aka innocent until PROVEN guilty. As I remember the story, the FCC had to provide proof they had some fringe "right" to enter International Waters to remove them from 1620KHz. It was an illegal action, plain & simple as they were hurting no one. The "X-band" was not a reality then, nor were TIS stations. I listened to the RNI/Sarah on a clock radio from Asbury Park NJ for the entire time they were on the air.

Even IF they did burn licenses of all of them, where did it lead? It lead Alan Weiner to turn around & buy the pirate frequency of 7415 as his own private broadcast channel aka WBCQ... Some victory!

I don't know where you come up with this tripe but it simply is not true, just invented feel goodism that "they got theirs".
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by NL7SX on December 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<REMEMBER THE SARAH? Bunch of dudes purchased an old humungouse boat. I think it was an oil tanker.>

If this story is true, it is definitely NOT the way to do things and it fits in with "Ruby Ridge", "Waco", and a few others.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by NL7SX on December 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
The reason K1MAN is a problem is that there is no place for him to go. The regulations for shortwave broadcasting say 50kw minimum, no broadcasting domestically and you must get along with the shortwave broadcaster of north america (SBNA) who are mostly religious broadcasters. In essence the FCC and the SBNA created the problem.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on December 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K4RAF:<"I suggest a bit of study of Amateur Radio history."

I suggest you study the actual Part 97 text & find the ARRL/W1AW broadcast waiver.

There is none because there is no difference, except for the excuses you keep inventing... >

No invented excuses here. Just the facts. I listed 5 permitted one-way transmissions allowed by FCC. Regulations specifically state all one-way transmissions are prohibited except as allowed by law. W1AW uses 2 of them. No one has shown me a 6th one that would permit K1MAN's ranting.

BTW: Heard him a bit yesterday (as I was adjusting an antenna). He repeatedly stated that W1AW did not "QRZ" before transmissions. Really dumb: why would they ask who is calling them? Does he? And to what purpose?
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4RAF on December 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"He repeatedly stated that W1AW did not "QRZ" before transmissions."

W1AW's crew have been "just dumping it in" for years.

I was a victim of their broadcasts on CW, back in my novice days, when I didn't know any better. Schedule assures them a frequency?

As I stated earlier, a control op of W1AW joked to a good friend of mine that he "didn't have enough ears" to monitor all the frequencies before commencing their scheduled transmissions. Just get out of the way, the BIG AW is taking over?

I'm telling you, what is good for one will be the downfall of the other. You can keep moaning, listing & twisting but the fact is FCC hesitation to take action speaks louder than a bunch of crybabies who not only don't like the subject matter but also can't find the biggest knob on any radio...

I run into this same thing all the time & I am not broadcasting, just in QSO with friends I have known for years. "I don't like your language", "I'm recording this" & my favorite favorite "What's your call?" yet they can't seem to sign theirs?

Wah Wah Wah...

 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WA4MJF on December 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K4RAF,

You are apparently a big fan of Baxter's
and that's FB. However, as you stated
W1AW has control ops and K1MAN doesn't.
He has a "Radio Shack timer".

If you bother to read the letters
from the FCC, the one thread that is
constant is NO CONTROL OP and no legal
remote control plan. NEVER has
anything been said about Baxter
sending the bulletins, often from
the ARRL apparently. There have been
some mention of broadcasting stuff
that makes him money, but nothing about
informational bulletins. So, if your
buddy solves the control issue
and JUST transmits bulletins all
will be honky dory. However, he seems
to be a rear end and that is what will
get him deeper in a hole. When you're
in a hole, quit digging, but he won't
quit.

I'm sure if the FCC dropped by W1AW when
it was on the air and peared in a window
and saw a
Radio Shack timer running things, the
ARRL would be in as much trouble as
Baxter is in.

Happy Holidaze!



73 de Ronnie
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K5XS on December 10, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K4RAF:

Your sarcastic "Wah wah wah" and "Oh the broken little hearts" do nothing to persuade others to your views, but do everything to reflect how sad it is that we can't have a peaceful discussion here.

Anyone who thinks in their wildest dreams that there is no difference between the K1MAN "bulletins" and W1AW's isn't listening to them. W1AW is truly sending "Transmission[s] necessary to disseminate information bulletins." No reasonable person would believe the drivel K1MAN is sending is a "bulletin" about anything but Glenn Baxter's personal views. They serve no general purpose to amateur radio but to cause contention.

And to suggest that there is no difference between the good Glenn Baxter does with his "AARA" and all the good the ARRL does is absurd on its face. How much has Glenn done for spectrum defense? For educating youth? For promoting amateur radio is schools? In space? If he has done ANYthing in any of those areas, it is microscopic in comparison to the good the ARRL does.

Your notion of equivalency between the two reminds of of the "moral equivalency" crowd who think any value system is as good as any other, even if one is destructive and the other constructive.

You are of course free to tear at the ARRL. Too bad that if you and your crowd succeed, the service will die. But maybe that's what you want.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4RAF on December 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"How much has Glenn done for spectrum defense? For educating youth? For promoting amateur radio is schools? In space? If he has done ANYthing in any of those areas, it is microscopic in comparison to the good the ARRL does."

Really? Does Baxter employ 70 employees & support them from bilking well-meaning but clueless supporters? Is Baxter's operation worth $3.9 million in assets? Does Baxter push sales of $40 books, CD's & memberships as a function of a webpage search engine & by on air references?

Spectrum defense like 220-222? BPL? AMSAT handles space. Schools are a lost cause except for 3 geeks who are pressured into "being like grandpa" yet they promote squatting on 802.11 frequencies with 100 watts. The only good they do is for themselves & the love of $$$. They have lost more FCC appeals then the Democrats have lost elections. Then consider the WinLink 2000 fiasco where an employee of the COMMERCIAL modem maker chairs the selection committee! Then add the bandwidth fence proposal to protect the use of unmonitorable transmissions. Good intentions? Please!

K5XS, what you want is a monopoly for a cause, not uniform FCC legal enforcement. I read Part 97 completely, looking for a waiver written for W1AW/ARRL or whatever other fronts they use to beg for donations, endowments & failed defense funds. I find none & as I continue to say, if one is removed, then the other must be as well. That is unless the FCC turns a blind eye to a clearly commercial endeavor in sheep's clothing of a "not-for-profit".

I don't listen or support K1MAN but nor do I support the ARRL. The ARRL are far more corrupt & greedy than a single man partially emulating their on-air operations.

Take off your blinders!
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4RAF on December 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
"However, as you stated W1AW has control ops and K1MAN doesn't. He has a "Radio Shack timer"."

They have one op for all the commercial equipment that is master-controlled to take to the air without listening first to EVERY frequency for prior use. Since this has become an issue, I have listened to their transmissions. They jam people off the air as they never seem to move even a few 100Hz to avoid prior use.

If K1MAN replaced his timer with an actual human being, then he would not be in any violation & no different than W1AW, right?

The fact that the FCC has not removed K1MAN from the air means (to me) that they are twisted over trying to enforce the "no broadcasting" rule without upsetting the poor ARRL ponzi-schemers...
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K5XS on December 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K4RAF,
You sound like a very sad person.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WA4MJF on December 11, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K4RAF,

I don't know why you bring
up commercial transmitters
as if K1MAN uses homebrew equipment.
He used to be quite the Collins
guy, and as far as I know they
were a commercial concern bought
out by Rockwell. W1AW uses Harris.
I have and use some Harris equipment
(surprise everything in the shack is
NOT homebrew), I also have some
ICOM and Alinco stuff all made
by commercial companys. I have GE
Delta SX two meter mobile in my Blazer.
I don't see
the gripe about W1AW using off the
shelf equipment and not homebrewing
everything.

YES, if he had a licensed ham
at the control point or using
wire line or RF remote control
on a frequency higher than 222 MHz,
I think everything at K1MAN be just fine.

That is the issue not that he might
not hear every body in the world
that could be on his frequency.
After all, like W1AW he publishes
his sked so
anyone can find it on his web site,
I'm told.

The other nit that the FCC seems to
have is that he apparently is
trying to sell something on the
ham bands.

My opinion is, if he stuck to
informational bulletins and had
a real live ham in control either
direct or by a Part 97 allowed remote
control, he would be just fine.

Happy Holidaze!

73 de Ronnie
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on December 12, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<"He repeatedly stated that W1AW did not "QRZ" before transmissions."
W1AW's crew have been "just dumping it in" for years.
I was a victim of their broadcasts on CW, back in my novice days, when I didn't know any better. Schedule assures them a frequency? >

You still didn't answer my question. What you said had nothing to do with the question, in fact.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4RAF on December 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K5XS,

Your personal attack on me is really uncalled for & shows how sad a person you really are. What is even more depressing is the fact you want special application of a uniform law that applies to all, not just someone you don't like. You are obviously blinded by the ARRL & would walk the plank to save their bacon from the same fire you are trying to force another into. I've watched the FCC agonize over this subject for years & their lack of action speaks volumes to explain their quandry.

BTW: I have quite a happy life, living it to the fullest here on my farm & have not totally focused all of my energy trying to make people I don't care for fit into my little cookie mold.

I just post the facts as I see them. If you don't like it, don't read them or better yet, don't post attacks!

 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4RAF on December 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K4JF,

You have nothing to offer but your undernourished ego, seeking the last word on everything.

Please continue making a public fool of yourself.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K5XS on December 13, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K4RAF,

"You sound like a very sad person" is hardly an "attack." It's a fact. You sound very sad to me. I don't know what the League did to earn your scorn, but it surely must have been something traumatic.

You harp constantly that W1AW and K1MAN are the same. That's hogwash. To be sure, each and every station has equal right to any frequency. But that notion is about shared access, it's not about equivalency.

Read my original post. K1MAN has served as nothing but a catalyst for contention and poor on-the-air behavior, both by himself and those who are irresponsibly causing malicious interference. W1AW has done positive things. What has K1MAN done?

W1AW helped thousands learn the code. Pre Internet, W1AW was THE mechanism for disseminating bulletins regarding amateur radio. What has K1MAN done? Other than stake an illegitmate claim to 14.275 FOR 21 HOURS A DAY, I cahllenge you to name one constructive thing!

One could make an argument the day of the HF bulletin is past, but I think the counter to that is that it is likely wise to retain some capability to send bulletins in emergencies. I think we would get FAR more value from the bulletins W1AW sends than the missives K1MAN sends.

If K1MAN's point is to prove that "I can do it too," he has chosen a poor way to do it. If he were airing legitimate bulletins, and if he didn't claim ownership to 14.275, I wouldn't care what he does. But he isn't. He is airing over and over and over again the same bilge: "Riley is a crooked politician," "The ARRL is corrupt," "The following amateurs are 'nurds'," along with a smattering of profanity and incessant "interviews" with his Canadian friend for hour after hour. THOSE AREN'T BULLETINS OF ANY USE TO AMATEUR RADIO OPERATIONS. More, he brags that his broadcasts (his word) are "Amateur radio TALK RADIO." "Talk radio" belongs on the broadcast bands, not tying up 20 meters for the vast majority of each day.

Many of us believe the ARRL is a good organization. If we didn't, we wouldn't belong. If you don't like it, that's your privilege. Don't join. But let me suggest that we need some meaningful organization to represent us, and that we would all do better to promote constructive change from within it than to label the irrational rantings of Glenn Baxter and his contrived "AARA" as its equivalent. It isn't.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on December 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<K4JF, You have nothing to offer but your undernourished ego, seeking the last word on everything. Please continue making a public fool of yourself. >

Actually, personal attacks are the last resort of those with no valid argument. I refuse to participate in such, and wish others would do the same.

Now, I asked a valid question several times with no response. How is that related to an ego? Not seeking the last word; seeking an answer. I suppose there is no answer.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K5XS on December 14, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K4RAF,

One more thing just ocurred to me as I was re-reading your posts.

You say in one "I was a victim of their broadcasts on CW, back in my Novice days, when I didn't know any better."

I don't know when you were a Novice, but as I recall, W1AW never sent bulletins or code practice on Novice frequencies; as I remember (and according to my old QSTs and their web site) they were always in the General Class band.

Am I remembering things wrong, or might you be embellishing things for the sake of argument?

73,
K5XS
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on December 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
K5XS, you are remembering correctly. W1AW has NEVER sent code practice or bulletins on Novice frequencies.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on December 15, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
Now K1MAN is broadcasting regional bigotry, attacking holders of "4" calls. I know his days are numbered, and the sooner the number is up, the better.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by KB1LMO on December 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
How disappointing. I mostly am reading about calls for jamming K1MAN, an act that is very much against the law and and not all that different from what Baxter is doing himself.
It would appear that we have lost the ability to police even our own individual actions, let alone the Ham bands that we all share.
Unless we can show the restraint and respect of the law that we are requiring from Baxter we may as well just give up and let the Ham bands go the way of the 11m band. I see little difference between a lot of the calls for deliberate interference and the CB crowd who run 1Kw on 11 and threaten/jam all who are not in their little local clique.
The mere act of suggesting the startup of a QSO party minutes before K1MAN begins his diatribe is collusion to commit conspiracy, as are the suggestions to run PSK or other high power digital activity as close as possible to his chosen operating frequency. Those that practice these types of operations should lose their licenses right along with Baxter, the ARS would be better off without this kind of operator and maybe some sort of order would be restored.
Breaking the law is breaking the law. Because your neighbor does it does not give you the legal right to do the same. And last I checked, Getz was the only modern vigilante to get away with it. Not good odds for the would be jammer.
As far as I can tell the FCC, though it has made a lot of noise, has yet to pull K1MAN's operating priviledges.
Since this is the case all we can legally do is petitition the FCC for a suspension of his license.
Or we could just tune the dial up or down 5 and get on with ourselves.

KB1LMO
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by KB1LMO on December 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
My diatribe is not exclusive to this particular post, where I find a larger number of Hams calling for legal action and not jamming than I usually see on this subject. And for those of you who are calling for legal action instead, bully on you! Maybe we can get our bands free of the vermin that seem to infest it lately.

KB1LMO
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4JF on December 19, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
<The mere act of suggesting the startup of a QSO party minutes before K1MAN begins his diatribe is collusion to commit conspiracy>

And how is planning a perfectly legal QSO a "collusion to commit conspiracy"? Sorry, wrong.

Jamming his broadcast is illegal, stoopid, and gives hams a poor name. However, a QSO that would be legal on any part of 20 meters is perfectly legal on 14.275 any time the frequency is not already in use. If K1MAN comes on then, it is HE who is jamming. The law is perfectly clear on this.

Those who are playing music, making noises and other foolishness after his broadcast starts, need to cease and desist. You are NOT helping the cause. But don't stop a legitimate QSO on any frequency just because he (or anyone else except emergency traffic, for that matter) happens to come on.
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4KAL on December 21, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
1) Limit the broadcasts to 60 minutes a day on each band he transmits on. Everytime I QSY pass 14.275 he is always on the air.

2) Stop bashing the FCC and the ARRL. You have Amateurs and SWLers listening all over the world, and this really sounds bad, and it makes Glenn sound like a NUT. Stick to providing information that promotes the Amateur Radio Hobby and assists listeners to aquire there license.

 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4KAL on December 21, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
1) Limit the broadcasts to 60 minutes a day on each band he transmits on. Everytime I QSY pass 14.275 he is always on the air.

2) Stop bashing the FCC and the ARRL. You have Amateurs and SWLers listening all over the world, and this really sounds bad, and it makes Glenn sound like a NUT. Stick to providing information that promotes the Amateur Radio Hobby and assists listeners to aquire there license.

 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K4KAL on December 21, 2004 Mail this to a friend!
1) Limit the broadcasts to 60 minutes a day on each band he transmits on. Everytime I QSY pass 14.275 he is always on the air.

2) Stop bashing the FCC and the ARRL. You have Amateurs and SWLers listening all over the world, and this really sounds bad, and it makes Glenn sound like a NUT. Stick to providing information that promotes the Amateur Radio Hobby and assists listeners to aquire there license.

 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by N6UGY on January 30, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I think everyone is making too big of a deal out of this guys radio practice. First of all, he stays on one particular frequency, and second, he is licensed to operate on that frequency. I think the only reason that anyone is in an uproar over him, is because he is anti ARRL. Big deal, so what. The ARRL supports contesting, which right away shuts them down in my book too. Everywhere you go in the Ham Radio spectrum, your going to encounter things being said or done that someone is not going to like, but who cares ? So what. Just get over it and go on with your lives for gods sake !!! There's a whole lot of people who do alot worse things on Ham Radio tham K1MAN. It appears to me, that there are alot of ARRL lickers out there who need to get a life of their own, and live it. Just be glad that K1man is only on one frequency, and leave it at that. K1MAN is just having a good time on Ham Radio. He's not out stealing the hub caps off your cars, toilet papering your houses, or actually hurting anybody in any way shape or form. If you don't like what he says or does, grab a knob and go to another frequency. There are a whole lot of them out there for you to use. If you want to complain about something, try complaining about contesting and contesters. Those bastards, who you never hear on the air normally, come out of the woodwork and destroy communications for those of us who are on the same frequency every nite, trying to converse as we do EVERY NITE, just because they feel it is important to see if they can make more contacts than anybody else. If there was ever a more worthless activity to get good at, I can't think of it. Try doing something that requires some skill, rather than just having more power, or being able to talk faster than the next guy. Forget about K1MAN, and go polish your pocket protecters. Dennis Flora, Red Bluff, Ca.
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WD8KDG on February 5, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
I've watched this and other threads on station, K1MAN, and wished this blight would fade into the woodwork. Commercial interest would love to have a piece or all of the Amateur spectrum and this type of behavior, both on the part of K1MAN and the rest of the Amateur community, are not helping the Amateur Radio Services.

So.........thinking out of the box: Looking at K1boy's website, there is a reference to a 501(c)(3)exemption. I can't for the life of me believe anyone in their right mind would hand over money, anything of value, etc. to the IARN. Would you donate? If you have ever applied for and received a 501(c)(3) exemption, then you know the work involved, more to the point: those monies received must be spent within IRS guidelines! Wonder if old Glen is laughing all the way to the bank?

The FCC might be toothless, other adjectives could also apply, but I for one would not want to mess with the IRS. Their bite hurts. Is there a ham who works for the IRS?

73s
wd8kdg
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by WB1BPV on December 30, 2005 Mail this to a friend!
The FCC claims to have visited K1MAN's station a few times but could not find anyone around while the station was transmitting, so why not just make the transmitter useless.We stopped Sadam, so why can't the government just cut K1MAN's coax, "Snip" Snip", cease his equipment(maybe use eminent domain as an excuse)and its all over. Lets take the easy way out this time as there are more important things in this world to focus on, like the way our "leader(haha) has wasted human lives in Iraq, but thats for another thread, another forum.
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by VE7KFM on January 17, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
This is further to the Brian K3VR post about me on 12 Dec which I have just noticed/read.

I reply as of right to the reference, which is defamatory especially via innuendo, by initially simply noting the curious deletion by Brian of the name/call sign of the "other amateur. Obviously, it wasn�t modesty/decorum or an attempt to shield the innocent.

If Brian was going to say anything untoward involving my call sign�especially as it related to his "hobby horse" topic, K1MAN�he should have accurately quoted the entire exchange, which he had on tape. He should therefore almost certainly have disclosed/included the name/call sign of Mikee ND8V, his "good friend"�and most notorious QRM-er on 20m�who routinely squeals like a pig/makes barnyard noises on top of others. This, after all, was the central theme of the comment. The reference to "Deliverance" was an aide-memoire in the context. Also, buggery is not necessarily homosexuality, which apparently so fixates Brian K3VR. But, I digress.

And, what are we to make of the timing of the post? This timing was curious, coming as it did less than three [3] weeks after Mikee FRAUDULENTLY used MY call sign to QRM and threaten others on 21 Nov. For this Riley Hollingsworth of the FCC [with whom Mikee and Brian speak virtually on a daily basis], was forced to formally take Mikee to the proverbial woodshed starting with the letter dated 14 Dec or just a scant two [2] days after the scurrilous post.

www.arrl.org/news/enforcement_logs/2005/0123.html
http://www.arrl.org/news/enforcement_logs/2005/0205.html
http://www.arrl.org/news/enforcement_logs/2005/0219.html

From all the evidence and especially the curious timing in the context, it appears that Brian was trying to run "interference" for Mikee.

Look up Mikee ND8V on the Internet and/or listen to him ~daily consorting with his "control" Brian K3VR on 14.275 MHz.

For the latest annotated version of THE LIFE of RILEY, wherein Mikee and Brian figure prominently, contact me via VE7KFM@yahoo.com using an overt e-mail address only.

For an interesting recent nefarious development out of England also directly related to Brian K3VR, see:

www.southgatearc.org/news/december2005/k1man_ve7kfm.htm

73
Karol
VE7KFM
P.S.
I am neither a friend nor an enemy of K1MAN.
 
K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by W4ASX on January 20, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Bernie,

I know all about K1MAN, having been an early supporter. He thinks that his "career" is soaring as he contemplates his "memoires." Hap is right when he says Baxter is a narcissist, a term his own Wife, according to Baxter, has used to describe him. Grandiose is an apt adjective.

Baxter is on sound ground for running an "information bulletin" -- I know there's lots of debate on the definition of "information bulletin."

This response, however, is to furnish Bernie with a suggested strategy: Petition the FCC for restrictive rulemaking on "information bulletins."

To do that, you need only send a piece of paper to the Commission entitled "Petition for Rulemaking," explaining your proposal.

The hard part is the languaging of the restriction. I've already done it, surprised when the FCC addressed my petition but, because of good cause, denied it.

I know the Commission would be only too happy to field a beautifully languaged restriction on Information Bulletins.

Once that is done, the Commission must decide if it has prima facia merit. If so, it will put out a call for comments to the ham community, at which time everyone can jump on the bandwagon.

If such a rule is put into place, enforcement will follow.

Bob Sherin, W4ASX
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K3VR on February 16, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
There's nothing wrong with bulletins that follow FCC rules. Any operation that's legal is ok in my book. What I get peeved about is blatantly illegal operation. There has been a strategy in place to deal with K1MAN since December 2002. As far as I can tell, it's working just fine. Use your radio legally, and if K1MAN interferes, file a complaint with the Commission. These things take time but I expect to see a Forfeiture Order issued any day. I base this on the ULS regarding K1MAN's license. The ULS indicates enforcement bureau action is pending and I believe a Forfeiture Order for $21,000 is the next logical step for the Commission to take.

And speaking of illegal operation, there are lots of genuine documents, commentary, and tons of interesting facts and sound clips on the page below...

Check it out!!

http://host.picturewizard.com/2005-7/357648/
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by VE7KFM on May 14, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
Brian CROW K3VR above, on eHAM and on QRZ generally and elsewhere on amateur-radio fora on the Internet, constantly refers to/promotes the Centre for Media Studies Public Interest Research Group [CMSPIRG] website.

Yet CMSPIRG, a 'made up' entity, is unattributed and de facto anonymous....

K3VR was on QRZ recently challenged to disclose the 'directing mind' behind the site, but instructively refused to do so....

Now, most of us were taught before going to Grade School, to always consider the source. When the source is anonymous, most of us also quickly learned to give the material little or no weight. And when the source in addition has an axe to grind--as this one patently does--some of us have even been taught to read the material 'contra preferentum'....

Such critical 'contra' reading paints a very unflattering picture of the directing so-called "mind" behind CMSPIRG. On all of the evidence contained therein, that person obviously is a cyberpath, arguably a sociopath and possibly even a psychopath....

The fundamental question then arises: why does Brian CROW K3VR constantly refer with approbation not only to an anonymous site, but also to one written by such an arguably disordered person?

73
Karol
VE7KFM@Yahoo.com
 
RE: K1MAN: Time for a Strategy  
by K3VR on June 12, 2006 Mail this to a friend!
I can understand why Glenn Baxter's #2 would want to undermine the credibility of a very well respected organization like CMSPIRG. When you visit, make sure you read comments from individuals such as Walter Cronkite and Senator Elizabeth Schneider.

When Karol attacks the credibility of CMSPIRG, is he referring to Leo Meterson, Walter Cronkite, Hap Holly, Fred Osterman, Keith Lamonica, Senator Elizabeth Schneider, Riley Hollingsworth, the FCC Boston Office, or the dozens of others who have commented (negatively) on Baxter and his notorious partners?

The truth is easy to discern. Listen and read.

Listen to Glenn's two co-hosts yourself and draw your own conclusions:

Link to Karol Madera, VE7KFM

"Roadside bombs I wish you all"

http://host.picturewizard.com/2005-7/357648/VE7KFMSELECTCLIPS.mp3

Link to WB2OTK, Rich Whiten:

"There's a Ni&&er if there ever was one"

http://host.picturewizard.com/2005-7/357648/RichWhitenK1MANCo-Host.wav

Link to the General CMSPIRG website. The site contains numerous articles and comments written by a variety of respectable amateurs and community figures:

http://host.picturewizard.com/2005-7/357648/

Check out the CMSPIRG page, and the 100% verifiable documents, facts, and recordings there and you may begin to understand why Karol so vigorously attempts to bury the truth under a pile of indecipherable innuendo and abject nonsense. For some, the truth hurts.

73, K3VR
 
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