Where Have all the Elmers Gone?.........
Sal Ippolito (N4YQU)
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July 10, 2000
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Since I was a boy of ten, I was attracted to Amateur Radio.
My best friends dad was a ham (I can't remember his call sign) and he took me under his wing. A real Elmer! He worked with me on theory, and code ,and was teaching me, what he called the ethics of
amateur radio. Things were going along fine until one day at school, when my teacher announced that Tommys' father had passed away over the weekend, and that Tommy was going to be living with his Grandparents in New York, and would not be back to school. I was
devastated over the loss of my best friend, but also over the loss of my mentor who had taught me so much.
Thirty years passed, and I still had not gotten that Novice license. In 1990, The spark was again ignited when I happened into a Ham radio Flea market. Not a Hamfest, but rather a Club here in South Florida that promotes an
Amateur radio Flea Market in the Motorola parking lot here in Sunrise Florida. At this flea market, I
couldn't help but think about my old friend, and his father, the kindness and patience he showed me in my studies.
My mind was made up!
Not knowing where to go, or what to do next, I let my fingers do the walking
in the phone book, and found the local Amateur Radio shop. As soon as I could, I visited the shop, and came away with a Bearcat scanner, So I could listen to the vhf, and uhf bands, a used
Hallicrafters Receiver for HF, a Novice and Technician's Manual, and several assorted code tapes.
Six weeks later, I attended an Exam session, and passed the 5 wpm code test! I then took the written for novice, passed it, and was persuaded to attempt the Tech written at the same time. Passed that too! What to do next?
I heard about several clubs in the area, and I thought that was probably the way to go to meet people with the same passion that I had. I was wrong! What I found was a group of self centered individuals who ran their meetings like a Southern Judge
trying a Yankee speeder! After the meetings, they would break off into cliques, and That was that. I would
volunteer for club duties, and even after being in the club for almost a year, would still be asked my name, and call sign! I
didn't renew my membership!
I attended meetings four other clubs, and although they weren't as bad, I still felt out of place. In the
interim, I passed my written for the General license, but was having a hard time with the 13 wpm code. It was about this time that I began to
burn out. Over time, I stopped attending meetings, and eventually stopped working HF, and I sold My 2 meter rig. I was an Ex-Ham!
In late 1999, I came across my station License, and saw it was about to expire. This roused old feelings in me, and on a
gut reaction, I renewed it. I'm a Ham again. I dug out the remnants of my old station, and I am slowly getting my act together. This time, I am not going to get involved with
cliques, or Amateur's that think they are above everyone else. What I want to find is a group that embrace the old standards that I was taught as a young boy at my friends house. A group that is WILLING to share
Knowledge, and help the newcomers along, Code efficient, or not. And my only hope is that I myself can progress to the point where I can inspire, and help someone in the greatest hobby/ pastime/ way of life that there is!
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by WN3VAW on July 11, 2000
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Sal,
I'd like your permission to use this in my club's next newsletter. I would like to think that we are the type of club you're looking for, more or less (want to come to Western PA for a meeting on Thursday? <g>), but that's all the more reason to open up people's eyes to this type of thing -- I've seen that happen at other clubs I've been associated with, and I don't want to see it happen to mine!
There are, unfortunately, a few too many hams who don't remember the helping hand they got when they started. You may have run into a few like that. I'd like to believe it's not the norm, but it does happen.
Don't give up & keep the faith!
73, ron wn3vaw
wn3vaw@arrl.net
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by KF4MFQ on July 11, 2000
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I'd like to propose another route to you. A similiar thing happened to me when I first got my Tech + ticket in 1996. Although I did not have as bad an experience with the clubs, I did try several and did not find that any suited my interests. I have two boys who are cub scouts and I volunteered to be a scout leader. Then I heard about JOTA and decided to approach our Cub Pack about doing a JOTA event. I organized and operated the event as the only control operator, but we had over 50 kids attend and had a great time. I venture to say that nothing will be more rewarding than helping kids. Even though I do this "solo", I have learned more by woking with the kids and was even insired to upgrade so we could have more operating privledges. Our Cub Pack is planning events for Field Day, Kids Day and JOTA for next year, and we are beginning to consider plans for helping some of the interested kids in becoming licensed. I guess my thought is become an elmer to some kids, and you will be suprised at how much they, as well as you, learn.
73 and enjoy,
Chris KF4MFQ
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by KQ6EA on July 11, 2000
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Chris, you hit the nail on the head! I know that in our club, JOTA seems to be the best way to get interested young people involved. Most events we've run in public places seem to generate only mild interest from the public, but JOTA? WOW! We've had had kids you literally had to PRY the mic from! Keep up the good work with the realization that YOU are the Elmer to these kids!
73, Jim
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I Feel Your Pain!
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by KG4BOD on July 11, 2000
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I too was member of a large club, about 300+ members. When I first joined, I noticed that the meetings were attended by a handful of people at best. As time wore on, it was apparent maybe two dozen would show up.
One group huddled around a couple tables. Another group had their "special chairs" on their side of the room. The remaining folks sat in chairs in the back of the room. There wasn't much interaction besides small talk between these groups.
As time wore on, more became apparent. No one was to ask questions or make suggestions. If someone questioned the poor upkeep of the club's repeaters, the clique in charge quickly replied there were no problems. (They are the worst sounding repeaters in town, bombarded with intermod and have long outlived their 15-20 years on the air!) Members would suggest the club do things like provide a decent club roster. Nope, they couldn't do it because it would cost too much money. Other suggestions were shot down, either as bad ideas or as costing too much money. The club has close to $30,000 in the bank! And heaven forbid someone suggest the club purchase new equipment! But as the "clique" would point out, the club provides donuts during breaks in the meetings! And oh yes, there is a chili supper once a year. The "clique" by the way, has changed the bank account several times recently. Members have silently questioned where funds like money raised during hamfests have gone, but are too afraid to talk about it amongst the entire membership. It would offend certain people.
Sound familiar? My response was to not renew my membership. But was I just walking away from a situation I could do something about? I doubt it. I would love to hear suggestions about what hams should do when their club evolves into what I have described.
If someone has ideas about breathing new life in clubs that could provide Elmers to the new guys, help folks learn theory and CW, please post them! I have since become more active in a club that is a decent drive out of town. It's smaller, has a measly bank account compared to the bigger club, but the folks who are involved seem to have fun and share lively nets and information.
Maybe, ham clubs are like other organizations. They get so big and beaurocratic, they loose touch.
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by KG4BOD on July 11, 2000
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I too was member of a large club, about 300+ members. When I first joined, I noticed that the meetings were attended by a handful of people at best. As time wore on, it was apparent maybe two dozen would show up.
One group huddled around a couple tables. Another group had their "special chairs" on their side of the room. The remaining folks sat in chairs in the back of the room. There wasn't much interaction besides small talk between these groups.
As time wore on, more became apparent. No one was to ask questions or make suggestions. If someone questioned the poor upkeep of the club's repeaters, the clique in charge quickly replied there were no problems. (They are the worst sounding repeaters in town, bombarded with intermod and have long outlived their 15-20 years on the air!) Members would suggest the club do things like provide a decent club roster. Nope, they couldn't do it because it would cost too much money. Other suggestions were shot down, either as bad ideas or as costing too much money. The club has close to $30,000 in the bank! And heaven forbid someone suggest the club purchase new equipment! But as the "clique" would point out, the club provides donuts during breaks in the meetings! And oh yes, there is a chili supper once a year. The "clique" by the way, has changed the bank account several times recently. Members have silently questioned where funds like money raised during hamfests have gone, but are too afraid to talk about it amongst the entire membership. It would offend certain people.
Sound familiar? My response was to not renew my membership. But was I just walking away from a situation I could do something about? I doubt it. I would love to hear suggestions about what hams should do when their club evolves into what I have described.
If someone has ideas about breathing new life in clubs that could provide Elmers to the new guys, help folks learn theory and CW, please post them! I have since become more active in a club that is a decent drive out of town. It's smaller, has a measly bank account compared to the bigger club, but the folks who are involved seem to have fun and share lively nets and information.
Maybe, ham clubs are like other organizations. They get so big and beaurocratic, they loose touch.
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I've been there brother.
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by N0RKX on July 14, 2000
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I too had a one or two elmers in my life. Of course my Dad is elmer #1. He pushed me, with gentle pursuasion, to finally invest the time needed to study for and pass my tests. When I came home with that CSCE I don't know who was more proud, him or me.
As for the "club" situation I'd like to give you the view from the leadership side of the ball. Our local club at one time had around 100 members and of those, 35-40 attended the meeting every month. As a past president of the club my number one goal was to try and make things interesting and fun. I got my eyes opened up big time. People in my club were all to quick to suggest ideas for activities to do, fox hunts, field day, JOTA, theory and code classes, kit building, hamfests, etc, etc.... When it came time to find someone to ride herd over the proposed project the "suggesters" slumped down in their seats leaving ANY activity dead in the water from a lack of leadership, expecting to be SERVED. These also seemed to be the people who would complain and bitch if their newsletter showed up a week late, but when it was time to find someone else to produce the newsletter,...... dead silence.
Field day this year is another good example of people wanting things done for them. Another Ham and I were in charge of arranging the logistics for our field day this year. Here is a list of the things which came from my shack for our 3A effort this year.
2 Transciever's, Tuner, Keyer, Paddles, 2 computers, Software for all three computers, Lights, Generator,
I was also in charge of hauling the tower and beam to and from the field day location, grocery shopping for the food for the weekend, cooking said food Saturday night for the "barbeque", taking care of the logs and submitting our score, etc....
Of our group of about 15 people there were 4 or 5 of us who actually got on the radio and made contacts, everbody else sat around in one great, never ending, BS session. Am I burnt out on Ham Radio? NO! Am I done doing things for people who refuse to do things for themselves? ABSOLUTELY! Next year I'll do field day from my house.
My suggestions for fixing the situation are: If you make a suggestion for a club activity be prepared to administer the project yourself. Don't expect the leadership of the club to keep you "entertained" on their own, we have families and jobs ourselves. Don't gripe about ANYTHING if your not prepared to be part of the process or solution. Your dues don't entitle you to just sit back and be served.
My longwinded $.02
73's, N0RKX
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by K2PHD on July 14, 2000
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I absolutely agree.
I would propose the following. The ARRL should establish another spot in the field sections organization. This position would be Chief Elmer. I myself would definately take the job in the HUDSON Division.
The job description would be as follows: To work with clubs in the specific division area to give 1) ELMER sessions ( a one niter at a club meeting or other scheduled time to talk about the aspects of HAM radio (traffic handling, public service, general operating rules, how to get started, even get them on the air and etc. ) for newer hams and 2) RUSTY HAMs sessions (again another one nighter) to help previously inactive HAMs get back into operation (answer questions, talk about new bands, new rules, and etc.).
It's our hobby, we all know the enjoyment, let's give the same opportunity to another who has taken the time to become one of our fraternity owe it something. I would be the first to volunteer!
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by R0TER on May 9, 2003
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where have they vanished? They are here. It is just that newbies can get intimidated by those that because hey have been in HAM radio for X years, they have a know it ALL ATTITUDE.
Also the youngsters really cannot stand CLUB politics and bullying.
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by N2HBZ on January 31, 2006
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Where have all the elmers gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the elmers gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the elmers gone?
Girls have picked them every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
(gee ... sorry Mr. Seeger!)
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