Is This Also Amateur Radio?
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Human Engineered Earthquakes
by Ray Bilger
Let's now explore what has been, and what is being done in the area of geophysical manipulations. The primary focus here will be human-induced earthquakes, as this is a main area of Elite interest. This is, of course, because earthquakes are so profound and have the most dramatic effects for purposes of controlling populations. Most people may never comprehend the fact that human beings have the capability to produce such things, or that humans would ever do such things to each other. So, when an earthquake occurs, very few would ever even think of asking, "Was that natural or man-made?" Actually, now that we have progressed into a higher level of activity with respect to Earth Changes, it becomes increasingly more difficult to know which is which. In some places the ground seems to be shaking all the time!
As you will recall, in Part V of this series, we mentioned Nicola Tesla's 'Controlled Earthquakes of 1935,' labeled by Tesla as "the art of telegeodynamics." Tesla was able to cause "rhythmical vibrations to pass through the Earth with almost no loss of energy," and he could "convey these mechanical effects to the greatest terrestrial distances and produce all kinds of unique effects."
The author has little information on developments over the forty years following 1935, yet something must have been happening because, as mentioned in Part IX of this series, a Senate sub-committee hearing, chaired by Senator Claiborne Pell, stated that: "We need a treaty now...before the military leaders of the world start directing storms, manipulating climates and inducing earthquakes against their enemies." Senator Pell would not have spoken these words in 1975 about inducing earthquakes unless he had some knowledge that such technology existed.
Also, reported in Part IX of this series, on December 10, 1976, the General Assembly of the United Nations approved the 'Convention of the Prohibition of Military or any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques,' and issued a report. Again, such a report would not have been issued if there were not technology in place capable of environmental modification, including the ability to induce earthquakes.
The June 5, 1977, New York Times described the great earthquake which destroyed Tangshan, China on July 28, 1976, and killed over 650,000 people.
Just before the first tremor at 3:42 am, the sky lit up like daylight. The multi-hued lights, mainly white and red, were seen up to 200 miles away. Leaves on many trees were burned to a crisp and growing vegetables were scorched on one side, as if by a fireball.
Some investigators believe these electrical effects were associated with electromagnetic plasma and ball lightning and the strange array of flashes which result from Tesla-style technology and /or HAARP-like transmissions. Was this brilliant flash of colored light what Tesla was talking about in 1935 when he mentioned "all kinds of unique effects²"? Was this earthquake just a test of the system, conducted on the unsuspecting people of China? It certainly does not appear that it was a natural earthquake.
In January of 1978, Dr. Andrija Puharich, MD, LL.D, issued a detailed research paper entitled 'Global Magnetic Warfare - A Layman's View of Certain Artificially Induced Unusual Effects on The Planet Earth During 1976 and 1977.' In his paper, Dr. Puharich stated, "Of the many great earthquakes of 1976, there is one that demands special attention - the July 28, 1976 Tangshan, China earthquake."
The January 1978 edition of Specula magazine ran an article which described an incredibly profound phenomenon that could be produced within the Earth by what is called the 'Tesla Effect.' According to the article, electromagnetic signals of certain frequencies can be transmitted through the Earth to form standing waves in the Earth itself. In certain cases, coherence to this standing wave can be induced wherein a fraction of the vast, surging electromagnetic current of the Earth itself feeds into and augments the induced standing wave. In other words, "much more energy is now present in the standing wave that the ...amount being fed in from the Earth's surface." By interferometer techniques, giant standing waves can be combined to produce a focused beam of very great energy. This can the be used to produce earthquakes induced at distant aiming points.
It might be good to go back and re-read the above paragraph a couple of times. This is one of the things which greatly concerned Mr. Tesla, because this is exactly the type of thing that could easily get out of control once it begins vibrating within the Earth and could actually cause the Earth to VIBRATE TO PIECES. Could the use of this technique have been responsible for the great earthquake in Tangshan, China in 1976?
One source, Dr. Peter Beter, has stated that, by 1977, the Russians had placed fission-fusion-fission Super-bombs in certain deep undersea trenches around the Philippines. The source believes that the Philippines are in the position of a 'keystone' within the giant Pacific Tectonic Plate. Russia had already been setting off lower yield undersea weapons in other areas around the Pacific Ocean causing strong earthquakes.
Dr. Beter believes the intention was/is to relieve tensions all around the Pacific plate, except the Philippines where stresses would build to tremendous levels. Then, at a certain point, the bombs around the Philippines will be set off. It is expected that this will cause incredible earthquakes and tidal waves and ultimately devastate the American West Coast. Volcanoes erupting in the Philippines are an indication that stresses are building in the area. (Readers need to understand that earthquakes and volcanoes are intimately connected and work hand in hand, with the one sometimes triggering the other, and sometimes the reverse. An earthquake can open vents deep in the Earth which allow lava to flow up. In other cases, the stresses driving volcanic activity can also cause earthquakes.
The January 30, 1981 edition of the Washington Post reported that in 1979 there were 56 significant earthquakes in the world, and that by 1980 the annual figure was up to 71. Coincidentally, in 1980 there was an increase in ELF transmissions by both Russia and the United States.
In 1981, Lt. Col. Thomas Bearden, a nuclear engineer and the leading Tesla researcher in the U.S., gave a very interesting lecture before the U.S. Psychotronics Association. In part of his talk he was speaking about the standing waves produced by Tesla Magnifying Transmitters that were also discussed in Specula magazine in 1978. He was, in essence, describing how HAARP works. Mr. Bearden stated in part,
Then, what you do is change the frequency. If you change the frequency one way (by de-phasing it), you dump the energy up in the atmosphere beyond the point on the other side of the Earth that you focused upon. As you start ionizing the air, you can change the weather flow patterns, the jet stream, etc.. If you dump it gradually, real gradually, you influence the heck out of the weather. It's a great weather machine. If you dump it sharply, you won¹t get the little ionization like that. You will get flashes and fireballs (plasma) that will come down to the surface of the Earth. You can cause enormous weather changes over entire regions by playing that thing back and forth.
Mr. Bearden almost makes it sound like some kind of weather machine toy that's fun to operate. But it also sounds like Tangshan, China, on July 28, 1976.
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by WA6BFH on January 10, 2005
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Well then, I guess it is good that you live in the desert, where you will be buffered from these effects!
73! de John
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by W8CAR on January 10, 2005
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You need to read Michael Crichton's new book "State of Fear" Talks about environmental terrorism and has lots of scientific fact like most of his books. Of course, it IS only a work of fiction-but very entertaining.
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by WA2JJH on January 10, 2005
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Fission, fusion, fisson is the Nuetron bomb.
MINUMUM EXPOSION, MAXHIGH SPEED NUTRONS to penetrate
hard targets. LOW blast damage and secondary shockwaves
and fires. Mucho short half life radiation.
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Pole Reversal
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by KA4KOE on January 10, 2005
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I think I'd be more concerned about the inevitable pole reversal of the earth's magnetic field. The field strength has been decreasing for years. We're due for another shift sometime soon (geologically speaking).
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Good for a laugh.
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by K3AN on January 10, 2005
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This type of junk science makes an excellent April Fool's article. But why didn't eham wait until April 1 to post it?
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by KB9YZL on January 10, 2005
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The first thing I did after reading this was rush to my calendar, just to verify that today wasn’t April 1st!
I haven’t seen such a mess of “Yuppie Pseudo-Science” since the last time I flipped through one of Erich Von Daniken’s science fantasies!
But hey………let’s do this right! Why don’t we get a thread going on the “Bermuda Triangle”, just to round things out.
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
“Appliance Operator”
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by N2KMF on January 10, 2005
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Bermuda Triangle? Isn't that using a Delta Loop from VP9?
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by KB9YNB on January 10, 2005
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Hee Hee. Dr. Peter Beter.
Peter Beter.
I can't top laughing.
Peter Beter.
KB9YNB
PS. Selective quoters would no doubt select:
"Peter Beter, KB9YNB"
from this post.
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by KB9YZL on January 10, 2005
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Oh yeah, …………..one other thing…………..
Before you put too much stock in what Lt. Col. Thomas Bearden says; ……keep in mind that he also claims that Soviet psychic experiments have caused Legionnaire's disease, cattle mutilations, UFO abductions, and the sinking of the US submarine “Thresher”.
Anybody have any good Bermuda Triangle stories?
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
“Appliance Operator”
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by K5UJ on January 10, 2005
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Is anyone editing these article submissions? I think I have just had a close encounter with one of the callers on AM Coast to Coast. Or did I see this in the Weekly World News?
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by KB9YZL on January 10, 2005
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You're right Ryan!
The "Dr. Peter Beter" thing is pretty funny.........
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by KF4VGX on January 10, 2005
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I could swear I caught a news clip were it was stated the last earthquake slowed the world rotation down so many millions of a sec. ? Anyone else hear that ?
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by W9PMZ on January 10, 2005
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There was a thread last year that dealt with "weird propogation" before earthquakes.
Wonder if there was any notice of weird propogation on the 26th?
73,
Carl - W9PMZ
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by KB9YZL on January 10, 2005
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On the subject of “weird propagation”:
For a number of years now, it has been suggested by some legitimate geologists that rock strata under extreme and unusual pressure may respond with piezo-electric activity. This activity might explain some of the spurious radio emissions and unusual propagation that has been reported before and during earthquake events.
An Internet search with the Keywords “Earthquake”, and “Piezoelectric” will provide you with several hours of interesting reading.
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
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by W9WHE-II on January 10, 2005
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Its all the USA & George Bush's fault. "Science" has proved that the earthquate & Sunami were caused by:
1) The Bush family sucking out huge quantities of oil from the earth;
2) Our "carving" our roads which de-stabilize the earth's crust;
3) The USA's unleashing bombs, destabilizing fault lines;
4) The FCC's authorization of 1500 watts of RF output "resonating" and vibrating fault lines till they give way;
5) Global warming (Because USA did not sign keyoto treaty and the green-house gasses produced by US generators needed to power all those US 1500 watt ham amplifiers) exapnding and destabilizing fault lines;
6) The drunken fornication by infidel westerners; and
7) Mother earth's revenge because; a) FCC authorized BPL, which is tantamount to raping the EM spectrum and b) the growing number of SUVs raping the earth.
AND IF YOU BELIEVE ANY OF THIS, YOU CAN THANK LIBERAL, SORE-LOOSER WACKOS THAT CAN'T GET OVER THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE REJECTING THEIR EXTREMIST ADJENDA!
W9WHE
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by KB7LYM on January 10, 2005
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A small section of this fine writing, spirited me in answering.
***** AAs you will recall, in Part V of this series, we mentioned Nicola Tesla's 'Controlled Earthquakes of 1935,' labeled by Tesla as "the art of telegeodynamics." Tesla was able to cause "rhythmical vibrations to pass through the Earth .
I KB7LYM (Frank ) lived as a Hamradio Operator in a boarding house. A good friend of mine was sitting on the throne and like Nicola Tesla's prediction made the house tremble. I thought ( and that comes easy for me ) A manmade Earthquake ! However one thing was not correct. Tesla's Earthquake was " rhythmical " in vibrations while the vibrations coming from the Throne was not rhythmical at all. It was more like the vibrations you hear when hearing Thunder.
But I asked my fellow Ham friend later if he controlled the vibrations and he replied, Its different all the time.
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by W9PMZ on January 10, 2005
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http://www.eham.net/articles/887
Above is the link to the article about earthquake detection using ham radio.
(of course I'm a little curious to know why those who have this detection capability weren't out there warning of the impending disaster....)
73,
Carl - W9PMZ
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by GHOSTRIDERHF on January 10, 2005
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So all I need now is a 1,000,000,0000,000 watt amplifier and I will be all set ...
LOL
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by KK7WN on January 10, 2005
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This is pure "junk science". It should have been saved for April 1st. Unfortunately I'm sure that it will serve its purpose of creating anxiety among the ignorant.
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by WB2WIK on January 10, 2005
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When I was a kid, my parents blamed *everything* on me. Had we lived in an earthquake-prone area and had any major quakes, those would have been my fault, for sure.
So, 40 years later, I must agree with the premise of this article.
WB2WIK/6
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by K0RGR on January 10, 2005
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Well, if radio signals passed through the area of the quake in the hours prior to it, they may have picked up some multipath distortion. But, so far, I've received no reports. It would be interesting to know if hams in India observed anthing interesting the night before, but I suspect there were too few stations on the air from the area near the quake for anyone to notice anything if there had been an effect.
I'm more concerned with the fact that the devastation from the tsunami happened hours later, yet there was no warning for Thailand or Somalia - though there was clearly time for that to have been given.
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by WR6MTR on January 10, 2005
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No, this is not Amateur Radio!
What is this crap doing on eham.net?
I did not pay to be a member of this site to
read some fools conspiracy theory.
Please, lets keep the posts on this site
directly related to Ham Radio.
WR6MTR
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by W9PMZ on January 10, 2005
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"When I was a kid, my parents blamed *everything* on me."
I'm much older now and still get blamed (only now it's the wife and kids)........
hi hi & 73,
Carl - W9PMZ
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by N4GI on January 10, 2005
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"LIBERAL, SORE-LOOSER WACKOS THAT CAN'T GET OVER THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE REJECTING THEIR EXTREMIST ADJENDA!"
Of course you mean AGENDA don't you Mr. Gunn (part-II)?
Extremist? That's the pot calling the kettle black!!
N4GI
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by KE6BOL on January 10, 2005
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Cute theories. Now back them up with some REAL research.
KE6BOL op Mark
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by KC8VWM on January 10, 2005
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I think there is some validity to the claim that radio signals affect the very environment in which we live.
Take this event for example;
As I recall it was the very last time I was using my radio equipment in my ham shack while I was transmitting late at night at around 0200 hrs. EST.
Suddenly there was this strange clicking or creaking sound, (not sure exacly) but it was similar to the same sound vibrations experienced on the nearby drywall when a door is suddenly opened and then suddenly closed.
After that, I noticed this very odd & repetitive "boom", "boom", "boom" rumbling vibration sound coming from the very wooden structure of the grey wooden stairwell leading to my ham shack.
As it turns out, it was my wife telling me to turn off my radio and log off eHam, it's was time to get my butt into bed.
Strange but true story.
73
Charles - KC8VWM
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by M0AFJ on January 10, 2005
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Do you really think that this discussion is in good taste at the moment guys?, or am I just being a liberal looser?.
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by W9WHE-II on January 10, 2005
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N4GI writes:
"Extremist? That's the pot calling the kettle black!!"
Actually Blake, the answer is NO.
The goofy ideas articulated above have been advanced by liberal extremists. Even the NY Times (a recognized liberal rag) recently ran a story on how liberal kooks, posting on the democratic underground website, have advanced many of the kooky ideas I eluded to above.
Why can't liberals just sit down, hold hands, and sing cum-by-ya like days gone by? Why do they insist on constantly making this stuff up?
W9WHE
Card carrying member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy!
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by KE4ZHN on January 10, 2005
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Huh? Manmade earthquakes? Changing the weather with Haarp like transmitters? Wow this year is sure flying by, its already April 1st! Do you hear that? It sounds like the twilight zone theme playing softly in the background. lol
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by WD8JMM on January 10, 2005
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HA! I read it on the internet, so it must be true! There's so much of this stuff floating around that weeding out the truth from the BS is going to become one of the primary needs of the next generation - that and the tin-foil hats, of course.
I stumbled across the following website a few weeks ago. It seems to be in the same vein as the original post, I wonder if they're connected somehow?
http://www.atlantictunnel.com/
Just because you read it somewhere don't make it so, folks!
73
Alex
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by K1CJS on January 10, 2005
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Is the original post really truly for real?? Enquiring minds want to know.......!!
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by GHOSTRIDERHF on January 10, 2005
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So I guess the next thing is that TIME is going to blame the Tsunami on two hams transmitting at the same time and causing the underwater Earthquake??!!
LOL
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I'm glad Al Gore invented the internet.
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by WB4M on January 10, 2005
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I never would have known about how President Bush caused the tsunami, how the earthquake cause my RTTY contest score to be so low, etc etc.. Good thing our space brothers are watching over us.
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by KB7LYM on January 10, 2005
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Good old Grandfather WR6MTR don't like it what others write. I have seen all that whining before. In the New World of Hamradio Operators he is one of " those "
When others see him walking down the street they say.... L@@k he is one of the Old regime. He got no place for anything else. Yes, I have a message for the Old one.... Don't like it ? With a single tap of your finger you click on SHUT DOWN.
Who are you to say what others can do hey ?
By the Way, I have for SALE 34 MILES OF RUSTED BALING WIRE. Some pieces good other bad.
Maybe just enough to make a 6 meter di-pole antenna
Now this is Ham related folks !
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by W6TH on January 10, 2005
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Electro Motive Force. Can magnetize and demagnetize for one thing. What if we put a positive field at the north pole and a negative field at the south pole. Would we turn up side down?
Band conditions from the years past:
1935 excellent
1946 Excellent
1957 excellent
1968 excellent
1979 excellent
1990 excellent
2001 terrible
2002 terrible
2003 terrible
2005 unknown to be considered.
What happened to the 11 year cycle?
The 11 year cycles proved itself for many of my years checking. In 1990 on the 10 meter band I worked dxcc with both cw and ssb. Two element quad at 65 feet.
I guess most believe that the world is round. What a laugh, you know its square.
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by N2WEC on January 10, 2005
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Its OK Steve. I spoke with my my mother the psychologist and she said its really not your fault.
LOL!
Bill - N2WEC
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by W9WHE-II on January 10, 2005
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W6TH writes:
QUESTION: "What happened to the 11 year cycle"
ANSWER #1: Nature does not follow your callendar.
ANSWER #2: The exaust from the black helicopters of the new world order use highly refined Bovine Excriment. Their exaust floats up to the ionosphere where it corrodes and diminishes its reflective properties and enhances its absorption effects. Same thing with my SUV!
Pick the correct choice!
W9WHE
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by ZL2TW on January 10, 2005
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This is certainly a weird thread!
I like others wondered if April had arrived early.
A few points:
Penetration of RF into the earths crust is minimal (at a guess a foot or so at ham frequencies depending on ground conductivity?)
The power levels involved are negligible, allowing for the inverse square law (double the distance, the power drops to a quarter) the power available in the dirt is very low only a short distance away from your tribander fed with 1500 watts!
Tesla has been attributed with all sorts of brilliant ideas, "if only he was listened to etc etc". As a sceptic, generally claims like this are bunk.
To suggest thar RF may cause earthquakes etc defies any sort of logic.
Fission-fusion-fission is your standard H (thermonuclear) bomb, for what it is worth. Look up the Tellar-Ulam configuration on a search engine.
I think this idea should be filed along with the Lochness monster, the Bermuda triangle and those rtaher tedious "we did not go to the moon" conspiracy theories.
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by N1CX on January 10, 2005
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I think everyone should wear tinfoil hats too. The martians are coming.
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by W6TH on January 10, 2005
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WR6MTR
This article is ham radio. You transmit the magnetic field the same. The same as Tesla.
The difference is Tesla knew his theory as to the EMF and you are derivng all benefits of his theoretical proof.
As a matter of fact it was Tesla theory that blew the radio transmitter at Iraq upon the invasion.
Don't underestimate the EMF and what it can do. It does more than what you are doing on six meters.
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by W6TH on January 10, 2005
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W9WHE-II
Wow! Is there a law effecting polution? You had better take your SUV and get a smog check.
Smog check required every 2 years in California.
Now for the last. "Prove it to be true". You don't believe the post, then why should I believe yours.
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by N4GI on January 10, 2005
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W9WHE
"Card carrying member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy!"
Do you keep it next to your Delusionally-Paranoid-Club card?
N4GI
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by K8MHZ on January 10, 2005
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What I would like to know is who won the seats for the first ride throught the Atlantic Tunnel? The drawing was in April, 2004. If we could get them a ham license by 2009 we could actually see if RF in the ham bands can make it to the bottom of the ocean. Hopefully a reply wouldn't cause a tectonic plate shift and jiggle the tunnel too much.
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by N4ZOU on January 10, 2005
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Dr. Little, Chicken PhD
What happens when Chicken Little survives a protected childhood and gets a grant to go on to a liberal college. Then in an effort to gain employment remembers a time of great fear and builds on this to continue his research through Government grants to study Global Warming, also known as Falling Sky.
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by W4JVY on January 10, 2005
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I can't beleive that this much space was used to
say so litle. All we need is for some tree hugger
to read this and take it futher.
Don
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by N6AJR on January 10, 2005
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This is in incrediblly poor taste considering the recent devestation caused by the earthquake/ tsunami.. please, do not make jest of the tragedy so recent in our past, possibly the worst tragedy know to modern man
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by RADIO123US on January 10, 2005
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N6AJR said "This is in incrediblly poor taste considering the recent devestation caused by the earthquake/ tsunami.. please, do not make jest of the tragedy so recent in our past, possibly the worst tragedy know to modern man."
I agree, the devastation caused by the tsunami is nothing to laugh at. We should NOT be making fun of this situation. Many lives have been lost, and many are suffering because of this terrible event.
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by W6TH on January 10, 2005
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Electricity and magnetism are intimately related. Surrounding every moving charge is both an electric field and a magnetic field. Both of these fields can influence other nearby charges. Whereas electric charges simply attract or repel (according to Coulomb's Law) the magnetic pushes and pulls between charges is more complicated (the force imposed on a moving charge is at right angles to both its direction of movement AND the direction of the magnetic field.
Actually the post mentions standing wave for the increase of the field.
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by W3DCG on January 10, 2005
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Wow. I'm surprised Vito would come out with this!
OK. I used to check into Jeff Rense, (Renseworld) regular, for my barometer check of weirdness in the world. Always with skepticism, however, I did read it.
I did think in terms of plausibility, motive, etc.
There IS a population crisis looming, it has already arrived long ago in various places, where economic/social/educational/technological development has never quite taken, or- has been intentionally suppressed. The honest truth is instability of certain places is to the advantage of the richest people on Earth.
Anyway, I stopped checking into Renseworld when I got into ham radio again, mostly because I don't have time for it, plus working, plus raising a family, plus getting my decent daily CW fixes.
I think this one is implausible. Only in terms of magnitudes of energy required. I think RF can cook things, but I'm not so sure about move things, or vibrate things, on a scale large enough to cause widespread devastation, UNLESS, the devastation was pending already, unless the potential energy was already poised to happen.
With regard to population control, there are many other ways to accomplish this, I can imagine. Without property devastation. The darkside of imagination can take what is current bio-gen tech and run wild. Even low tech low dose radiation can rid areas via genetic destruction over a slow period of say 20 years. But that is ugly and dark and I rather not keep going. Denial can be a powerful tool.
One must be open-minded to possibilities good and bad, otherwise one would never know when they are being slowly killed, irradiated, or eradicated. And though I rather think the best of humans, humans have also done the most horrible things.
Christians would view these events as prophecy. Even it some were natural and others Man induced, and others a combination.
In this case, what motive would there be in killing 650K in China, and 160K and rising around Indonesia?
You wanna get dark and be on the lookout? Retirees, be on guard. Social Security seems like it is a big fat motive. Combine this with the gigantic budget deficit accrued over the past 4 years, and more to follow. Combine that with how much has the Tax Paying Working age group has or HAS NOT grown, how much is it expected to grow, how is the economy growing, in what sectors, why, and most importantly, versus- what is the current demographic on those on Social Security, and how is that expected to grow?
So I believe Vito's interest in the bizarre and fringe, is warranted. Keep that interest.
I believe Tesla was robbed, and was a super genius.
But if there is anything about causing earthquakes, I believe it would be best accomplished via Standing Acoustic waves. I wonder what Dr Bose would say to this?
I believe there have been Acoustical studies, which may be contributing to the phenomenon of whales beaching themselves to death in mass.
What I cannot fathom, is how any one who ever spent time on the sea, such as Navy people, could allow such a thing, knowing such soundwaves in even low magnitudes, likely causes extreme detriment to the wellness of our highly intelligent ocean-going mammal friends such as dolphins and whales.
Remember how sound travels something like 300 times faster in water than air.
If you question the power of sound waves, remember that doubt next time that low rider drives by with the trunk filled with sub woofers, when you hear that distorted high pitched buzz of the license plate vibrating, or the next time a Huey or two fly near your house or overhead. Imagine focusing that sound, moreover phasing those waves. Is it possible to vibrate nuts loose from bolts? Is it possible to vibrate the fluid in your body enough to pulverize organs or at least scrammble brain waves and neural connections? In theory, of course it is.
Studying bizarre and far out ideas and theories, scientific, social, biological, psychological, metaphysical, and being fascinated by them, in my view, no way detracts from the credibility of a person. In truth, I question the sanity of those who do not question such things, or take an extremist- knee jerk reactionary response to such ideas.
Dunn for example.
And there is my opinion expressed in my typical plain non technical form.
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by KF4VGX on January 10, 2005
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RADIO123US on January 10, 2005 ,
N6AJR said "This is in incrediblly poor taste considering the recent devestation caused by the earthquake/ tsunami.. please, do not make jest of the tragedy so recent in our past, possibly the worst tragedy know to modern man."
I agree, the devastation caused by the tsunami is nothing to laugh at. We should NOT be making fun of this situation. Many lives have been lost, and many are suffering because of this terrible even
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by WA6BFH on January 10, 2005
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Boy W6TH, your perspective is certaimly different than mine but, then again, I measure from a Maximum Usable Frequency (MUF) of 50 MHz
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by HARMONY on January 11, 2005
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I joined this forum just to tell you all that Dr. Peter Beter was a real person. And quite intelligent as well. (http://www.wanttoknow.info/bestsummaries) I say was because he is now deceased. Thank Goodness! I am glad he wasn't around to see small minded people turn his life's work into a joke. Dr. Beter did the things he did to try to save this country. But by the time you all wake up to what is happening in this country, it may be too late! EM weapons are real. They can control the weather and they can create earthquakes. They are under the control of the government of the United States and other countries. What does this have to do with HAM operators? A couple of thing... EM frequencies can be picked up on HAM radios. You have the power in your radios to monitor this activity. Also, if the neo-cons are successful in shoving their agenda down the throats of the American people, you may lose the right to use those radios of yours. You can say I am crazy all you want.... It doesn't change the fact that there are 600 concentration camps in this country with a capacity to hold 14,000,000 people. You don't really think they will be busing that many people in from other countries to fill them, do you? And it doesn't change the fact that top members of our government have already signed a statement of principals for an organization called Project for a New American Century whose purpose is world domination. Don't belive me? Read it for yourselves right here.... http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm Make sure you scroll down to the bottom to see who signed and look at the rest of their site to see what they really believe! I will include links for those of you who want to know the truth. For the rest of you, maybe before you belittle someone for making light of a tragedy you should do a simple google search to find the truth. Then you wont look so unintelligent!
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/06-09-04/discussion.cgi.11.html
http://www.spiritnexus.org/earth-changes/seattle_earthquake.htm
http://www.earthradiotv.com/cuenews31.html
http://www.ecologynews.com/cuenewsdesk.html
http://www.ecologynews.com/cuenews12.html
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/haarpidl.htm
http://www.bariumblues.com/radarmatrix101.htm
http://www.radarmatrix.com/
http://msxml.info.com/_1_21YDTOT0Y8YFF5__infocom.us2/search/web/Laverton%2B%252B%2BHAARP?&tpxnws=1
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud.html
http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/health_risks/high_tech_crime.html#N_31_
I sincerely hope that at least one of you takes the time to look at the sites referenced above. George Orwell said, "In times of universal deciet, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." I say..."Be a revolutionary! Tell the truth!" Pass it on....
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by KB1KIX on January 11, 2005
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Harmony...
Are you by any chance an "End Timer" by "faith"?
I heard this on some shortwave broadcasts and nearly feel out of my chair laughing.
Nice long list of links there - have any with journalistic and scientific value?
Actually, we missed the other argument I heard from the same broadcast - the US has devices that can also control the weather!
Man, I thought this was April 1st when I read this post. Especially by the time I got to Peter Beter.
But.... if we really have this power - can you please use it over towards the San Andreas Fault - I'd really like to help Kalifornia secede from the Union.
Jonathan
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by W6TH on January 11, 2005
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San Andreas Fault - I'd really like to help Kalifornia secede from the Union.
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Well now, I live on the San Andreas Fault and don't want to leave California as am waiting for the big one.
This article was posted to have a discussion as to your beliefs and comments; whether it is happening or could happen or not happen. As a matter of course only time will tell and will be determined by the powerful people who will pay any price to destroy and gain power. This is happening today and has been going on for the past 150 years in our country.
The human race is expendable, no value any longer. Ask Germany, Russia,Japan,United States of the loss in past wars. Why? To protect the wealthy and the powerful for the business interests in other countries.
I believe that man can fly, man can communicate by air waves and man can fly to the moon. I believe that man can do the impossible. They can build and they can destroy.
I won't say God Bless America as our Congress has taken that away from us. Should I do so, I will be found guilty of breaking allegiance; treason.
.:Wake up America, it is never too late.
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by KK7WN on January 11, 2005
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Posting writing such as this is destructive. It brings out the lunatic fringe of the world and allows them to distract social discourse from constructive discussion. As is painfully obvious, this type of material creates comments that degenerate into ad hominem comments about political beliefs,maternity, etc. Lets move on. Editor, shame on you.
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by W0QU on January 11, 2005
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I thought the original post was interesting reading.
If our military intelligence agencies have experimented with "remote viewing" for decades why would we think they wouldn't try to experiment using "natural" disasters and weather modification as a control tool or weapon?
Wouldn't it be prudent for our defense department to investigate every possible way to use these forces, or how a potential enemy could or would use them, rather than never exploring anything new?
How is the original post any more far-fetched than the beliefs of some religions in this country?
I enjoyed the article but didn't enjoy all of the aspersions cast by Bush supporters.
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by W9WHE-II on January 11, 2005
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N4GI writes:
"Do you keep it next to your Delusionally-Paranoid-Club card"
Like most liberals, Blake never misses a chance to personally attack those that disagree with his personal philosophy.
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by W9WHE-II on January 11, 2005
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KK7Wn writes:
"Posting writing such as this is destructive. It brings out the lunatic fringe of the world and allows them to distract social discourse from constructive discussion. As is painfully obvious, this type of material creates comments that degenerate into ad hominem comments about political beliefs,maternity, etc."
So true. As a member of the vast right-winged conspiracy, I am frequently the subject of such vicious and mean-spirited attacks by the kook liberal fringe. Anytime you articulate an opinion they don't like, they unleash personal attacks. The more power they loose, the meaner they get!
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by HARMONY on January 11, 2005
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My appologies to any I may have offended. I was simply trying to point out that there are other viewpoints out there. They aren't bad, or even wrong... they are just different.
No, actually I am not an "end timer" by faith. I am a devoted mother of 5 and successful self-employed business woman who would like nothing better than to NOT know the things I know and to not be responsible for sharing this information. It is my hope that there never has to be an "end time". And I am not politically inclined either. I haven't seen a politician yet I felt worthy of the presidency of the United States. So I stay out of politics. I have no animosity towards the right or the left, only toward the closed minded. I am a very well informed individual with a genius IQ. I state that not because I am bragging, simply in defence of myself to those who think I am a "kook".
Of course there won't be alot of sites out there that some of you might consider credible sources such as CNN, MSNBC and the like. As soon as they appear...they disappear. The powers that be only have to flex their muscle and those type of articles are gone. Watch for them....they do come out from time to time. Like the recent media investigation into 9/11, which lasted what? A week? If that. The truth is out there, its just hard to discern at times the truth from the conjecture. And being Americans... we want to believe our leaders.
I ask only that you not dismiss things like this out of hand. If you keep hearing it, if people keep saying it, isnt it just remotely possible that it is true, and you just don't know about it yet? Expand your minds. Do the research. Ask the tough questions! Find the truth. I wouldn't be risking the ridicule of all who read this if I didn't know it to be true from years of research. I only wanted to inform and help. It may be true that one woman can't change the world but it is also true that I can inform as many people as possible and in knowledge there is power.
Again I appologize for disturbing your conversations strictly held to HAM radio opperation, however, I do hope in the future when you hear that hum or that rythmic pulse or the clicking, creaking sound in the lower ranges you will think of HAARP, maybe just out of curiosity and look into what our government is doing.
Sincerely your's,
Harmony
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by W6TH on January 11, 2005
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For those of you that do not know how to check information on Googles: Here is HAARP:
HAARP stands for High Frequency Active Aural Research Project, at joint effort of the Air Force and the navy at an isolated base near Gakona, Alaska.
It uses 72 foot tall antennas---360 of them---spread out over 4 acres.
HAARP zaps the upper atmosphere with a focused and steerable electromagnetic beam. It is an advanced model of an 'ionospheric heater'. (The ionosphere is the electrically-charged sphere surrounding Earth's upper atmosphere. It ranges between about 40 to 600 miles above Earth's surface.)
Put simply, the apparatus for HAARP is a reversal of a radio telescope: antennas send out signals instead of receiving. HAARP is the test run for a super-powerful radio wave beaming technology that lifts areas of the ionosphere by focusing a beam and heating those areas. Electromagnetic waves then bounce back onto Earth and penetrate everything-living and dead.
There is more pages to read and some great pictures of antennas that will be the delight of ham radio operators.
I run my kilowatt into a 23 foot CF Zepp as I want to heat the ionosphere over my property and control my own weather.
.:Liberty or die.
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by KB9YZL on January 11, 2005
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W6TH;
Go ahead, worry about the “conspiracy” to create “weather effects” by artificially heating the Ionosphere: ……. As if a bunch of ground based transmitters could hold a candle to a good Solar Flare! (Something we have all survived many, many times.)
Haven’t you noticed that your “40 to 600” mile high layer starts more than 20 miles above the regions where the mechanics of the Earth’s weather occurs?
Most of your “40 to 600” mile band is more commonly referred to as “Low Earth Orbit”; ……..I can say with great certainty that there’s precious little “weather” going on in those regions. (At least as the term is understood by surface dwellers!)
If you're hammering away at this nonsense because you think it’s funny, ……well, then you need your sense of humor checked by a professional.
If you’re doing it because you really believe this stuff,……….then you’re certifiable.
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
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by W6TH on January 11, 2005
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Get lost. Should you know more about the electronic field you would realize that the old system of the DEWS. the Early Warning System to detect missiles is long gone and now the country as well as others are looking forward to a defense system; either to detect or destroy.
Get a engineers handbook and gain some knowledge to benefit you and others in regards to the Electromagnetic field. This will put you above the Technician grade. That is if you are not too lazy to read and learn. You might even try cw for your hobby.
Take care kiddo and show your worth.
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by W7WIK on January 11, 2005
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I'm a geology student (Southern Oregon University) and here's my take.
I really doubt that radio could cause any of these things. Just think about how much pounding the ground takes just from trucks going down the highway... much more energy than any radio waves, which by the way, don't penetrate very far, especially at the higher frequencies that we use.
The only time I've ever heard of a man-induced earthquake was when the Army pumped massive amounts of water into a fault-zone, leading to some fault slippage. It might have also happened with some atomic bomb tests, but I don't know. Shock waves from tremors are monitored every day. Are some of these earthquakes prematurely induced by man? Maybe some very, very small influence, but probably not.
The fact is; plate tectonics is constantly in motion and is constantly re-shaping the earth. The plates are constantly grinding on each-other, subducting, shearing, and colliding. The Pacific Ocean, for example, is growing at around 5 to 10 cm a year. As a result of this, stress rises. Eventually something has to give, and the result is a tremor or earthquake.
You've said that there are more tremors now than now than before. I don't think so. There are more seismometers and they are much more sensitive.
If, as you say, there are more earthquakes and they are man-induced (highly doubtful), then the majority of them should be weaker earthquakes (they don't seem to be getting any weaker) because more earthquakes would relieve tectonic stresses more frequently, and therefore there wouldn't be as many big one's.
Your thinking is flawed.
Man is, however, influencing the earth's climate. Global climate change is a good example of this. We're also polluting in other ways that are detrimental to us and the flora and fauna of the earth.
The earth itself will survive, and will continue circling the sun as it has for the last 4.5 billion years, but will we be here even a million years from now? At our rate, probably not.
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by K1KID on January 11, 2005
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When you go to San Fransisco
Be sure to wear aluminum foil in your hair
YIPES!!!
The "left coast" drifts further from reality every day
Didn't mean to HAARP on the subject, but this is beyond the "twilight zone".
Where is Micheal Moore on this subject????
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by KF3EG on January 11, 2005
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Let it all blow up, melt down, spin out of sync.
When it happens go to 3.840.00 and call for the mother ship it circles over Nevada.
Or cross your legs and fart, clear out your mind and realize your in a straight jacket.
The earth has been here for millions of years, all it needs is more plastic and duct tape, that will fix it.
The bigger problem is, if you take Rogaine and Viagra at the same time will your hair get stiff?
73
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by KT0DD on January 12, 2005
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Quote:
" As a member of the vast right-winged conspiracy, I am frequently the subject of such vicious and mean-spirited attacks by the kook liberal fringe. Anytime you articulate an opinion they don't like, they unleash personal attacks. The more power they loose, the meaner they get!"
Be Afraid Mr. Gunn, Be VERY Afraid...
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by KB9YZL on January 12, 2005
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W6th;
Every comment you make reinforces my opinions of you.
Please get help!
Kent Carroll
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by W9WHE-II on January 12, 2005
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KT0DD writes:
"Be Afraid Mr. Gunn, Be VERY Afraid"
Well Todd, is that a threat or just your idea of humor?
W9WHE
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by W9WHE-II on January 12, 2005
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Liberals like Todd (KT0DD) are seething with rage. Liberals can no longer dictate poloicy and people now have the unmitigated gall to question Liberal dogma. Now that Liberals are seen for what they really are, they (and their Kooky ideas)are being shunned by mainstream Americans. Even Liberals don't want to be identified as Liberals! They are now called "progressives". A rose by any other name..... Now, after having lost the intellectual debate, they resort to threats and personal attacks.
But its not Todd's fault. Please don't balme Todd. Todd is an innocent victim. After all:
IT'S SOCIETY'S FAULT!
W9WHE
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by KB9YZL on January 12, 2005
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Can anyone on this thread define the terms “Liberal” and “Conservative” in clear, concise terms?
I’m willing to bet not……….
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
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by KI4HDT on January 12, 2005
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Ham radio can indeed have adverse effects. It has created a large fault line in my bank account that may some day collapse in upon itself and throw me back to the dark ages and I am taking the rest of you down with me.
I would call it a "geoeconomic effect": Geo=Earth Economic= Money If I don't quit buying equipment I won't have no money and will be eating dirt.
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by W9WHE-II on January 12, 2005
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KB9YZL writes:
"Can anyone on this thread define the terms “Liberal” and “Conservative” in clear, concise terms" That's a tall order. Were you a "victim" of a public education?
Liberal and Conservative are philosophies. The primary and consistent difference in the two on is the role of government.
A LIBERAL BELIEVES that all social ills can be cured by sufficent government intervention & regulation. Because you are too stupid to make good decisions for yourself, and because Liberals are so smart, you need the government to tell you how to run your life. Hence, more government is better because more poticians passing more laws in Washington, DC can solve all problems and generate universal happiness in a socialist utopia with no crime. What few problems politicians in DC can't solve with more laws, judges making up even more laws can. Moreover, since its not fair that some people have more than others, the government should "take from each according to his abillity and to give to each according to his needs". If you think this sounds right, you are a Liberal.
CONSERVATIVE: One that believes that you know best how to run your own life and should make your own decisions and should be free to do so. Nobody should be able to impose their beliefs on you. Want a tower? Put one up! Government should be limited to providing those services (Millitary, police, fire, roads, professional licenses, safety, FAA, FDA, courts, etc, etc) that individuals can't provide. Government should ONLY take what it needs to do the forgoing. Government should NOT take from those that earned something and give it to those that have not. Government should not prevent you from doing what you want on your own property. Concervatives believe that people, not judges should make laws. If you think this sounds right, you are a Liberal.
I hope that helps.
W9WHE
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by ZL2TW on January 12, 2005
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Just a few additional comments:
Tesla did not describe electro-magnetic radiation. The Scotsman, James Clark Maxwell did all that in the mid 1800s, in fact Einstein was partially inspired by Maxwells equations to come up the speed of light being a constant as part of his special theory of relativity. Hertz did more work later.
Yes I realise this thread has got the speed wobbles but I felt a need to inject some factual physics.
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by KB9YZL on January 12, 2005
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“Liberal”? ……….”Conservative”? ………Hmmmm!
Isn’t it odd that the Founders of this Country were considered to be Extreme Liberals, according to the thinking at that time; ………but now, in the 21st century, their views fit very solidly into the previously offered definition of “Conservative”???!!!
I have no use for labels whose meaning flip-flops 180 degrees with the passage of time.
Nor should any other thinking individual.
Kent Carroll
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by KG6TEC on January 12, 2005
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"AND IF YOU BELIEVE ANY OF THIS, YOU CAN THANK LIBERAL,
SORE-LOOSER WACKOS THAT CAN'T GET OVER THE FACT THAT
PEOPLE ARE REJECTING THEIR EXTREMIST ADJENDA!"
Hey Loser,
The correct way to spell "loser" is with only one "o".
See http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=loser
Sincerely,
KG6TEC
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by KY1V on January 12, 2005
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It's funny, a few years back when I was a low middle income citizen, I never expected anything from the wealthy.
Now that I am a high upper income citizen, I still feel the same...
...I don't expect anything from the poor!
It is truly a shame that we amateurs must resort to name calling, i.e., loosers, losers and liberals.
That's "right", I "left" out conservatives...it's not a label, it is an honor bestowed upon the just.
;-)~
ROFLMAO
David ~ KY1V
PS: To quote from Jeff Foxworthy...
You may be a __________ (<---insert Liberal here) if you take me too seriously!
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Can anyone on this thread define the terms “Liberal” and “Conservative” in clear, concise terms?
I’m willing to bet not……….
Kent Carroll
Ok...,i'll bite,
Conservative: A political group of individuals who believe in the political process for the purpose of running the country in the best interests of the people who elected them.
Liberal: A political group of individuals who believe in the political process for the purpose of running the country in the best interests of the people who elected them.
Everyone Else: Communists who want to run the country in what they interpret and feel is the best interests of society.
Well, now that we have this question cleared up...
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by KY1V on January 12, 2005
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HARMONY Wrote:
"I am a very well informed individual with a genius IQ. I state that not because I am bragging, simply in defence of myself to those who think I am a "kook"."
That's too bad! Most people I know with a genius IQ are kooks! I am sorry you are so different.
David ~ KY1V
PS: "Defence" is something Tattoo used to shout to his boss when he reached the back yard of his condo on Fantasy Island.
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KC8VWM;
Once again, you have come through; ………..and with flying colors!
I have yet to read anything of yours without both a grin, ….. and a nod in acknowledgement of a brilliantly conceived and written post!
Thanks!
Kent Carroll
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by AL2I on January 12, 2005
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Take the World's smallest political quiz and see if you are left-wing or right-wing!
http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html
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by WA6BFH on January 13, 2005
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ZL2TW, Please tell us what you know of Planck, Maxwell, and even Einstein!
There may be others of this same or similar level of intelect, that we could all desirably hear about!
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by VE7ALQ on January 13, 2005
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Is this the same Nicholas Tesla who used to X-ray his head in the firmly-held belief that it helped him sleep?
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by W6TH on January 13, 2005
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First thought the wording of "KOOK" should be closely defined:
kook
n : someone regarded as eccentric or crazy and standing out from a group
I also have a very high above average "IQ". I do not consider myself a kook and neither does those that I have worked with and friends for years; not standing out from a group, but above the group, we with these high "IQ's". We are very modest people and many envy our success and how we succeed in life.
.: W6th the call that brings the past back.
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by W9WHE-II on January 13, 2005
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KG6TEC writes:
"Hey Loser"....
Jason offers another example of an angry Liberal launching personal attacks rather than dealing with the issue. And they wonder why they keep loosing elections!
W9WHE
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by KN4LF on January 13, 2005
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More ignorant junk science just like man induced harmful global warming and ozone depletion.
73,
Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF
Retired Space & Atmospheric Weather Forecaster
Plant City, FL, USA
Grid Square EL87WX
Lat & Long 27 58 33.6397 N 82 09 52.4052 W
kn4lf@arrl.net
Plant City, FL CWOP Weather Station #CW2111 Live Data: http://www.kn4lf.com/index.html
Plant City, FL Daily Climatological Weather Data Archive: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf22.htm
Florida Daily Weather Discussion: http://www.kn4lf.com/flwx1.htm
Global Warming Refuted: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf42.htm
Propagation eReflector:
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/propagation
KN4LF Daily Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Data Archive:
http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm
KN4LF Daily LF/MF/HF Radio Propagation Outlook:
http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf6.htm
KN4LF HF/MF Radio Propagation Theory Notes: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf8.htm
KN4LF Amateur & SWL Radio History: http://www.kn4lf.com/index.htm
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by KG6TEC on January 13, 2005
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So sorry to disappoint you, I'm not angry... not at all. I was just feeding the Troll.
Please tell us more about how liberals are ruining the country with their wacko ideas.
This is truly facinating!
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by WA2JJH on January 13, 2005
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Not ham radio at all. HOWEVER the communications act of 1934 did lead many with science and engineering backpgrounds tO become hams.
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by W6NNABE on January 13, 2005
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On the article:
It's pseudoscience, all of it. Tesla was a brilliant man, yes, but had a flawed understanding of electromagnetism that led to creating all sorts of things that simply aren't practical or possible.
On the flamewar:
Liberals can no longer define themselves as liberals because conservatives fight dirty; the few liberals that fight back in kind are almost as odious (at least to me) as the conservatives they rail against. The triumph of conservatism in the last thirty years has nothing to do with "common sense" (whatever that is) and everything to do with marketing and pandering to prejudice.
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by N5QDY on January 14, 2005
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Mr. Gunn:
People such as yourself are used to yelling and having liberals politely keep their mouths shut. :)
I'm a liberal, and you should be glad. I know I am. My goal in life is to save you from the people who have been brainwashing you: Fox News, Scott McClelland, Rush Limbaugh (a drug addict), O' Rielly, and many others. It up to liberals and progressives to help you overcome the false ideas you have come to believe and have failed to question: Weapons of Mass Destruction, all media is liberal, that liberals are out to destroy the country, etc. There are lots others... :)
Perhaps some liberals are as you decribe. But as a whole, sir, we are not. And I also know that most conservatives are not as many liberals say. There are many conservatives with which I find common ground. But it is because these conservatives are *critical thinkers*. You sir, have been influenced by extreme right-wing reactionaries to not think critically about ideas and events. It is in this you do your country and yourself a great diservice. You have been instructed to think the way you do by the people you emulate, and quite frankly it shows.
Liberals helped create ideas for hiways, public education, public works in cities, civil rights, the end of slavery, medicare, social security, farm programs, public libraries, the list is endless. But the reality is that conservative *critical thinkers* also played their role in these ideas.
Think before you speak, sir. Please make every attempt to become a critically thinking conservative. It is in this way we can begin to move the country to a better direction. :)
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by K4JF on January 14, 2005
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<“Liberal”? ……….”Conservative”? ………Hmmmm!
Isn’t it odd that the Founders of this Country were considered to be Extreme Liberals, according to the thinking at that time; ………but now, in the 21st century, their views fit very solidly into the previously offered definition of “Conservative”???!!!
I have no use for labels whose meaning flip-flops 180 degrees with the passage of time.
Nor should any other thinking individual.
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
“Appliance Operator”>
It wasn't the passage of time, Kent. It was the change of government. Conservatives generally want to keep the form of government they have. Therefore it is quite different when liberals win and do effect a change. Liberals will then always become conservatives. To conserve what they have won.
That is why a "liberal" in a totalitarian government will be philosophically the same as a conservative in a representative government. And that is why the (real) conservatives of today are the spiritual descendants of Jefferson and the other "liberals" of that day and time.
See?
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by WB7DCV on January 14, 2005
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Sounds like something out of one of Mercedes Lackey's excellent fantasy books about mages and magic wherein trained magicians control the weather. This planet of our's produces more energy every minute that ALL of the radio transmitters ever keyed! Ditto for the solar (and cosmic) energy constantly impacting the earth. Your Soviet megabomb theory is all wet too---if a major nuc went off in the Pacific (or any ocean) we'd have the world's largest fish fry. Please let nature take it's course without half baked theories. 73s Laurence
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by KC8VWM on January 14, 2005
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Does anyone hear those Black Helicopters at night and wear tin foil hats?
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by KB9YZL on January 15, 2005
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K4JF;
Jim, … You make a fascinating point!
………Furthermore, your explanation makes perfect logical sense.
It’s a shame that so many in our society put all their effort into “mud-slinging” and name-calling, while devoting no thought at all to the names and labels they are using.
Thank you for your insight.
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
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by MP on January 15, 2005
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Go to the search page of the United States Patent Office
http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm
type in the number 4,686,605
and read what it can do.
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by KB9YZL on January 16, 2005
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MP;
You can’t take what is written in a Patent Abstract or Claims section as anything more than what the inventor’s general concept is. There is absolutely nothing in the Patent process that guarantees that the documented device, process, or idea actually works, or that the basic concept is sound.
The Patent Office’s only function is to provide protection for unique intellectual properties; ……..They do not (and cannot) verify the inventor’s work, or scientifically confirm his claims.
I hold several patents, and in the course of securing those, I had to read through hundreds of patents concerning similar items: …..Many of those documents described devices that would not and could not function as claimed. Those patents were awarded because of an idea that was unique, ….not necessarily practical or even functional.
Patents sometimes make very interesting reading; but the reader must keep in mind that a significant percentage of patents belong in the “Fiction Section”
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
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by MP on January 16, 2005
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http://www.eastlundscience.com/currentd.html
Mr. Eastlund's European Space Agency proposal for HAARP.
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by KB9YZL on January 16, 2005
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OK, ………….In order to satisfy my morbid curiosity, I looked at the eastlundscience.com web site……………
Everything I read there supported another American Genius! ……. P.T. Barnum was right! …….A huge percentage of the American Public will literally stand in line to be “Flim-Flammed”.
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
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by W9WHE-II on January 18, 2005
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N5QDY writes:
"I'm a liberal, and you should be glad. I know I am. My goal in life is to save you from the people who have been brainwashing you: Fox News, Scott McClelland, Rush Limbaugh (a drug addict), O' Rielly, and many others".
Typical liberal eliteism.
Anyone that disagrees with liberals has been "brainwashed" or is just too "stupid" to judge for himself. That type of thinking would be funny, but for the fact that so many liberals actually believe it!
First, who are YOU to "save me" from anyone? Who anointed you with the power to judge for me what is best for me?
Second, liberals are in a rage because Fox, Limbaugh & others dare to disagree with liberal propiganda, but in a free siociety, YOU don't get to choose (or sensor) what I view or listen to. Liberals need to be reminded that the 1st. Amendment also applies to ideas that liberals disagree with. Yea, that's right, the first amendment actually applies to conservitive values and ideas.
Third, why do so many liberals believe that they know what is best for me and constantly seek to impose their values on the rest of us through the power of the government? If liberals are really as tollarant as they PRETEND to be, why can't they tollerate people that disagree with their propiganda?
Us members of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" don't seek to impose our views on you. We want the freedom to live our lives the way we see fit. The trouble with liberals is that they want to IMPOSE their values on the rest of us. People have figured out what liberals stand for and guess what? They don't like their ideas.
You are free to hold whatever values you please...but kindly recognize my right to do the same. EVEN if I (gasp) disagree with you. The real problem with liberals is that they can't tollerate anyone that does not swallow their dogma. That's why they hate FOX & Limbaugh.
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by W9WHE-II on January 18, 2005
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N5QDY writes:
"People such as yourself are used to yelling and having liberals politely keep their mouths shut. :)"
Actually, the reverse is true.
For 40 years, liberals controlled the media (ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC & PBS). Conservatives were painted as bigoted, racist, sexist, homophobes that wanted to starve children, push elderly people down the stairs and dump chemicals into drinking water. We were reduced to polite silence as liberal wackos were given free access to spout their propiganda.
Then came FOX and EIB. Now, liberals are up in arms because people now have a choice. Liberals no longer control ALL information going into American homes. Americans can now hear a different point of view. Gasp! The horror, how dare they disagree!
My friend, there is a reason why FOX is the fastest growing news outlet. There is a reason why Limbaugh is on 600 radio stations and Air America can't even claim 60. The liberal monopoly is over. Believe it or not, the 1st. Amendment also applies to ideas that liberals disagree with.
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by N4GI on January 18, 2005
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J. Gunn said:
"Us members of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" don't seek to impose our views on you."
HUH?
If CONSTANTLY plastering a HAM RADIO HOBBY web page with your pointless, shallow, political rants is NOT imposing your view, dude, I must say I don't know what is.
N4GI
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by W9WHE-II on January 19, 2005
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Allways a pleasure to hear from you, Blake.
If posting my opinion is an attempt to "impose" my point of view, aren't YOU "imposing" YOUR view when YOU post YOUR opinion?
Why is it that when liberals post their opinions, its "free speech" but when conservatives do the same thing, liberals call it something else? I guess the rules/conclusions that liberals seek to apply to others simply don't apply to liberals.
W9WHE
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by N4GI on January 19, 2005
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W9WHE-II writes:
"aren't YOU "imposing" YOUR view when YOU post YOUR opinion?"
For your files, I have NEVER imposed my political opinion or point of view on you or anyone else in a public forum. I've asked you lots of questions in the past (most go unanswered), and made direct observations about your inappropriate hysterical antics in this forum. If these actions somehow require you to label or categorize me, feel free. It will have no impact at all on my enjoyment of ham radio now, nor in the future.
N4GI
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by KE4IZA on January 20, 2005
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In the world today there are all kinds of theories floating around. A few true and many just plain nonsense as this article may be. However it is my belief that it is always in ones best intrest to keep and open mind. 100 years ago if you were to say it is possible to construct a machine which will fly and carry people would have made you a laughing stock or a crazy person. It is a known and proven fact that sound waves can break glass, crack concrete and even kill. I am simply saying that what may sound like the ramblings of a crazy person may just turn out to correct. There is a lot science has discovered and it is out right arrogant to believe something can not be true simply because it can not be explained at the time.
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by W9WHE-II on January 20, 2005
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So nice to hear from you, again, Blake:
Let me help you, since I sense that you may have been "victimized" by public schools. You are fond of launching attacks against me personally. In fact, only 2 posts up you called my personal opinions:
"...pointless, shallow, political rants...".
That is an example of YOU expressing YOUR opinion. If my posting of my opinion is an attempt to "impose" my view on others, how is YOUR posting of YOUR opinion any different?
Oh, silly me, I forgot.
When a liberal posts an opinion, its called "free speech". But when a conservative does the same thing, liberals call it a "..pointless, shallow, political rant" and an attempt to "impose" conservative ideas on others.
In case you are still wondering why your side lost, its because of that type of thinking. But please, don't stop now. Its allways helpful when liberals expose themselves for what they really are.
W9WHE
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by KB9YZL on January 20, 2005
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KE4IZA;
Everything you say is true, at least until the theory in question has been critically examined.
If an un-biased, critical examination turns up flawed logic, poor research, and dogmatic conclusions, then it’s pretty safe to start looking at rejecting the theory in question.
For a good example of this sort of thing, visit the http://www.eastlundscience.com web site that was mentioned earlier in this thread. In particular, read what this person has to say on the subject of “A Concept for Intervention in Tornadogenesis”.
Like most purveyors of “Pseudo-Science” this fellow manages to sound credible as long as he (or she) is dealing in generalities. It’s when they have to actually describe the working mechanisms called for by their theory that they hang themselves; ……….as this person certainly did!
Yes, ……..Science demands an open mind! ……….but once a theoretical error or logical flaw is found, it’s time to alter the theory, or go looking for one that actually works!
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
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by KB9YZL on January 20, 2005
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W9WHE-II
You said: >>”In case you are still wondering why your side lost,…………”<<
Nice! ………..If, in the near future, this country sees it’s greatness diminished, a major factor will be those who see themselves as “Democrat/Republican” or “Liberal/Conservative” first, …..and as “Americans” a distant second!
………And before you get all “ticked-off”, try reading your own posts with an unbiased eye: ….and tell me I’m wrong to see your contributions in this light.
Kent Carroll
KB9YZL
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by W9WHE-II on January 20, 2005
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Kent writes:
"...If, in the near future, this country sees it’s greatness diminished, a major factor will be those who see themselves as “Democrat/Republican” or “Liberal/Conservative” first, …..and as “Americans” a distant second!
I too am tired of liberals bashing this GREAT country. A perfect example is NY times carring 43 front page stories about Abu grab and only 4 about the Beheadings. Now, which was worse and what do you think was the adjenda of the NY times? Bash America!
I don't view my exchange with Todd as injurious. To the contrary, by demonstrating the utter holowness of liberal thinking, we get back to true AMERICAN values, like freedom for everyone and away from the "bash America" and "its all the US fault" nonsence put forth by liberals whom are hell bent on criticizing our president, and don't care how much mudd they drag this great country through to do it. After all, in the liberal playbook, "the ends justify the means".
W9WHE
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by KD8AKU on January 21, 2005
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"I am frequently the subject of such vicious and mean-spirited attacks by the kook liberal fringe."
I have a healthy sense of irony, but methinks you should look up the definition of ad hominem. Having read several of your posts on this thread, it is clear to me that you are as guilty as those that attack you.
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by W9WHE-II on January 21, 2005
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Really?
With rare exception, I don't attack THE PERSON with PERSONAL insults. YOU DON'T SEE ME CALLING PEOPLE STUPID, JERK, ETC. I do, however, attack IDEAS. I do sympathize with victims and I do call IDEAS stupid. There is an important disntiction between calling an IDEA stupid and calling the PERSON stupid.
Its called "decorum".
If you think I am critical of liberal double standards, you are right. Do I call liberals "stupid" no. Do I call some of their their ideas stupid, yes. See the diffrence?
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by N5QDY on January 21, 2005
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Mr. Gunn:
What right have I to "save" you? None, sir. What right have I to save the country? Every right in the world. By urging non critically thinking conservatives to think critically the country can move more to an agreed upon center instead of completely to the intolerable right or the intolerable left.
Many liberals and progressives also need to think critically.
Again, not all liberals are members of the "intolerable left" that I know is out there. Just as not all conservatives are members of the "intolerable right" that you too must know is out there. You sir, are quite an example of the intolerable right. I'm quite willing to meet you in the middle on issues... but you are only seeing things in black and white. I'm doing my best not to.
There are many problems that can be solved by the use of both conservative and liberal values combined. They can be solved in a way that benefit both conservative and liberal beliefs. But as long as we are taught to simply "believe" rather than to *think* solutions may remain elusive to us all.
God Bless the USA :)
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by HARMONY on January 21, 2005
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Hello Kent,
As completely as you and I are opposed in the detils of our beliefs, I was quite surprised at how completely we are alike in the "big picture". I am writing to ask your permission to quote you. You have made a couple statements that truly impressed me, one about the founding fathers and one about being party members first and 'Americans second". If these are not your own words, could you please tell me who originally spoke them?
Sincerely,
Harmony
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by KB9YZL on January 22, 2005
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Harmony;
The words were mine. (Although I assume that many others share similar thoughts.)
You may quote them freely.
KLC
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by W9WHE-II on January 24, 2005
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N5QDY writes:
"You sir, are quite an example of the intolerable right"
Yes, I know, anybody that disagrees with liberals is "intolerable". HOW DARE I disagree with liberal thinking! Its "intollerable" to have liberal ideas and philosophy challenged. Liberals pretend to be tollerant, but the truth is, they are the MOST INTOLERANT people. After all, who gave us "politically correct" sensorship of speech? Liberals.
"I'm quite willing to meet you in the middle on issues... but you are only seeing things in black and white"
Yes, I know, under liberalism, there is no right and wrong. Everything is grey & "nuanced". Situation ethics. Well, I prefer to think there is actually right and wrong. The exceptions fall under the heading "freedom to choose". The problem with liberal thinking is that it does not permit disagreement. If you challenge a liberal or liberal dogma, you are "intollerant". Hello....!
"But as long as we are taught to simply "believe" rather than to *think* solutions may remain elusive to us all"
Yes, I know, ONLY liberals are smart enough to think and anaylize. The rest of us are just too stupid. If only the rest of us morons would let liberals tell us how to run our lives, we would all live in paradise. Mule muffins! Liberals have hijacked and run this country for the past 40 years. Enough already. Now, the majority is taking it back to traditional values. And yes, that means that there is "right and wrong" and the solution to every problem is not litigation and appointing renagade judges to do at the bench what the people refuse to do at the ballot box.
"yer tyyyyme is up"
W9WHE
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by N4GI on January 27, 2005
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"Yes, I know, ONLY liberals are smart enough to think and anaylize."
Did you mean ANALYZE? Perhaps you should add the ability to spell to your comprehensive list of liberal traits.
It's the public school system's fault.
N4GI
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by WA7VTD on May 6, 2006
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This thread demonstrates nothing more, than that several dozen people lacking the advanced and specialized education to cogently discuss and critique a theory, will construct arguments predicated upon their personal prejudices, consisting of sophistry instead of logic.
As an historical fact, Tesla abandoned his project to transmit energy over distances -- for the operation of machinery and lighting of homes -- via modulation of the Earth's magnetic lines of force, as a result of his belief that standing waves might be induced within the Earth that could be on a resonant frequency of the Earth as a whole, resulting in the Earth splitting apart. He abandoned this project after having raised colossal sums of money from donors and constructing a gigantic "transmitter" and "receiver" at distant points. He profited in no manner from this (and, in fact, pretty well burned his bridges to benefactors by walking away in that fashion). He got cold feet based upon his insight into what he believed might be some unintended and very catastrophic consequences of his experiment (which he had performed on a much smaller scale previously).
(SIDE NOTE: Many respected physicists believed that the test of an atomic bomb arising from the Manhattan Project might produce an uncontrolled chain reaction which would destroy all life on the Earth. Even Oppenheimer and others of his stature wrote of having extreme anxiety while the countdown ticked to the detonation instant, not being completely certain that the ones fretting over the cataclysmic theory were wrong. Fortunately, they were wrong, but the greater lesson in this, is that when it comes to development of military weapons, man is willing to risk destruction of the planet in order to have the chance to dominate his brethren).
Back to the work of Tesla vis. modulation of magnetic fields and his abrupt abandonment of the largest experiment along those lines: This is not the same as claiming that radio transmissions induce earthquakes.
The HAARP experiments did produce some odd phenomena. Quite by accident, a few years ago, I observed a sudden propagation event in which the MF/HF ham bands "went out" one by one from 80 on up, accompanied by "whistler" sounds. I assumed there had been a CME, and began searching the space weather data sites for information.
A great deal of invested time by my colleague and I that evening verified the event, for which there was no solar event providing an explanation. Further researching that evening produced data grossly but discernibly correlating the region of the propagation event with the region one would expect to have been affected by HAARP emissions. The ionospheric maps displayed disturbance extending from a irregular boundary over the Pacific, East to an irregular boundary extending roughly to Western Montana in longitude, and roughly South to the latitude of mid-Arizona/New Mexico.
Some two years later, another colleague sent me data he had just found, describing a HAARP emission commencing at the same time as the event I observed via amateur radio.
As for potential predictive ability of radio wave reception vis. earthquakes, there is well documented evidence of changes in propagation immediately prior to some quakes, but of more credible interest is the phenomenon of changes in the reception of ULF signals at locations distant from the epicenter, a few hours to moments prior to a relatively large seismic event. (This may also explain the behavior of pets, etc. near the epicenter, moments prior to a seismic event).
Back to the anecdotal account: A review of reports by the volunteer ULF monitoring network resulted in several spectrographs indicating significant spikes in ULF energy during the period of the propagation anomaly and HAARP emissions, recorded by volunteer ULF monitoring stations (most of which had been constructed by hams)within the general region in which the propagation blackout had occurred. I was not able to find any correlation among those time-coincident events, and any significant seismic events.
HAARP was more than a propagation experiment; there were (and perhaps still are) those in the Pentagon fascinated by the concept of a new type of weapon, one that would modulate the magnetic lines of force surrounding the Earth in an effort to transport massive energy pulses from the origin to a point distant roughly along North-South/South-North paths, the theory being that it might be possible to induce destruction at the distant point in this manner, without any possibility of advance detection by "the enemy" and with no time for "the enemy" to take defensive or "launch on warning" retaliatory measures...in other words, an ultimate "first strike weapon."
These are all very interesting things, and ripe for the propounding of all sorts of theories, both scientific and geopolitical.
Note, however, that I have left "liberal" and "right wing" aspersions out of this post. Facts are facts; speculations are just that. Moreover, simply because (as in my anecdotal experience reported above) a correlation among several events has been observed, on a single occasion, and that other extrinsic facts are also true, does not ipso facto support, much less compel, the conclusion that such events are, in fact, related in any cause-and-effect chain. On the other hand, utter dismissiveness without consideration of the fundamental laws of electromagnetism, is equally as foolish.
For example, coronal holes on the sun produce disturbances in the Earth's geomagnetic field, in less time than is required for X-rays, and much less time than required for protons, to reach the ionosphere of the Earth. This is explained most logically under our current understandings, by the principles explicated by Henry (who, you may recall, has a unit of inductance named after him...remember that from your license exams?????)
Faraday (I think...might have been Hertz...or Henry...or one of those guys, anyway) demonstrated that the polarization of light changes and rotates in a controlled magnetic field. Einstein proved that gravitation bends light, doing so by predicting observations to be made during a solar eclipse.
Although Maxwell reduced the various relationships among electricity and magnetism to a set of four equations, and Einstein and his contemporaries managed to produce yet another equation derived from those four that unified light and gravitation into those theorems, to this day there remains no unified field theory which also encompasses the strong and weak forces of atoms and subatomic particles. In other words, the one "master equation" unifying the strong force, the weak force, electromagnetism and gravitation, remains elusive.
Accordingly, before dismissing out of hand the possibility that manipulation of the Earth's magnetic field might produce significant physical phenomena, one ought to become familiar with these concepts -- which for most of us (myself included) is no easy task (I have thus far not been too successful in mastering them at all).
Some of you sound like those who laughed hysterically at the prospect of a “hydrogen bomb.”
This is not to endorse the clearly impeachable and problematic recitations in the post that generated this thread. (I must admit, also, to agreeing with others that the name "Peter Beter" sounds like something right out of my favorite tabloid, Weekly World News.) Even nuts and crackpots, however, will be right part of the time, just as a broken clock will be right on the money twice each day. The most successful propagandists do not lie; rather they selectively report truth. The most successful charlatans, rising despots and cult leaders predicate their destructive and fallacious dogma upon an underlying syllogism of ineluctable facts.
And therein lies the rub: without a very thorough understanding of the physics, one is unable to reliably determine whether a claim is junk or rational theory.
To answer the thread subject query: sure, this is amateur radio. My anecdotal account demonstrates that. Radio amateurs made great contributions monitoring aspects of Sputnik in 1957; why should they not also utilize their knowledge, equipment and skills in the same manner with regard to the phenomena discussed above?
Unless, of course, the hobby is merely to be a plug-and-play citizen's band on steroids.
Now, you all go back to calling each other names....I'm sure that this whole thread was started neither by a Neo-Con Bush-ite War Monger, nor a Rad-Lib Eco-Terrorist. I wonder, though, if it was the degeneration of discourse in that manner in the Pentagon or CIA that produced this terrible debacle in Iraq.
- Kevin Hunt WA7VTD
Oregon City, Oregon
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