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Author Topic: Venturing into 2m SSB territory.  (Read 19530 times)
AK4YH
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« on: July 04, 2017, 12:00:44 AM »

Hello,

I just want to share my new venture into 2m SSB, and I am quite pleased Smiley I should have tried it a long time ago. Amazing how far you can go with just 10W.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuKBNZ_JXSk

Gil.
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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2017, 06:23:46 AM »

yep!

Most people mistakenly think that the 2 meter band is a line of sight band

Likely because their only experience has been with FM

Back in the 80s I ran a 21 foot long KLM long boom yagi with a Kenwood TR 9000 10 watt radio

I eventually added a 80 watt amplifier with a preamp and
I had great success talking hundreds of miles away from a QTH that was surrounded by hills hundreds of feet higher than my antenna

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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2017, 12:09:08 PM »

Last Friday I worked Arizona and Idaho from here in Oklahoma!  I am using 50 watts from a Yaesu FT100D to a Jetstream dualband yagi-it has 3 elements on 2 meters. That was sure fun! 

From this QTH I have worked 40 states on 2 meters using 160 watts or less, to antennas with a boom length of 15 feet or less.

73 John AF5CC
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2017, 01:03:40 PM »

Hello,

I just want to share my new venture into 2m SSB, and I am quite pleased Smiley I should have tried it a long time ago. Amazing how far you can go with just 10W.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuKBNZ_JXSk

Gil.

I've been tryin to encourage activity on this band for years, but the repeater nay sayers detour operators from exploring with their fake news and discourage folks with high expense tales so they don't loose activity on their membership repeater groups. With very little you can get started. Doesn't matter if there's no e-skip. Its still a great band to utilize and enjoy.

73 and have fun. 
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2017, 07:51:04 PM »

yep!

Most people mistakenly think that the 2 meter band is a line of sight band

Likely because their only experience has been with FM

Airmass bending/ducting is not unique to SSB. When I lived in Texas in mid 70's, I remember working Florida across gulf on 2m FM in a mobile with 15 watts and a 1/4 wave on roof many times.  I can remember watching UHF analog TV from deep in Kentucky and into Tennessee coming in to area north of Dayton Ohio where i live during big frontal shifts in weather patterns in spring and summer. The problem is though without this there are a lot of dead days on band. You can push reliably a bit beyond line of site with good antennas and some height but 300 to 500 or more miles is not gonna happen without some help from weather patterns.
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2017, 02:16:49 AM »

2m SSB is great fun. Like HF it's you, not a repeater, doing the work.

Because signals can be so near the noise level you can become aware of subtleties that raise signals by a few dB and make unworkable signals workable.

A couple of highlights from my portable operating (all with 5w to a 2 to 4 el yagi)

1. Aircraft enhancement - long distance with a 2 el yagi (and a good station at the other end)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWbzveak-ug

2. A VHF Field Day - contact made with a station over a difficult path by resorting to CW and bouncing the signal off a hill 50km away

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYOBxUYq8JM

3. A spontaneous outing after hearing of enhanced propagation - Even if you're only at sea level some good contacts are possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC3F4wv04RE



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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2017, 02:31:33 AM »

Thank you Peter, great stuff! I always enjoy your videos  Smiley

Gil.
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2017, 01:41:08 PM »

Great videos Peter!!  Love that 2 element beam made out of two sets of $1 rabbit ears that one can find at dollar stores!!!  Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2017, 03:40:57 PM »

Antennas seem reasonable but equipment costs appear to be high. The reason often given is the limited market for quality VHF/UHF gear. Even transverters look to be close to $500. You have to compare that to HF where $500 can get you a decent transceiver. Because of a very high HF noise level I am forced to now take a serious look at VHF/UHF. My impression is that older gear has not come down since I looked a few years ago. Being stuck with now useless HF stuff I do not want to risk a bundle on something that will make longer than 50 mile contacts only a few times a year.
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2017, 04:44:21 PM »

I do not want to risk a bundle on something that will make longer than 50 mile contacts only a few times a year.

More like 75 to 100 miles or a bit more reliably with good antennas on both ends. If you want good range focus on antenna and height first. Even FM does well with height on both ends. 
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2017, 12:03:34 AM »

I do not want to risk a bundle on something that will make longer than 50 mile contacts only a few times a year.
Dick  N3HKN

I can easily get over 50 miles on 50 watts and a 3 element beam on a daily basis on 2 meter SSB
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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2017, 02:57:02 AM »

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I can easily get over 50 miles on 50 watts and a 3 element beam on a daily basis on 2 meter SSB

Thanks, I am mostly interested in reliable communication... We'll see what 10W can do... I am waiting for the PAR loop, omnidirectional, but no gain... The antenna gets good reports, and it will help me map my RF surroundings. I'll make a video. Don't forget to subscribe.

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I do not want to risk a bundle on something that will make longer than 50 mile contacts only a few times a year.

I think it is more than a few times a year, but certainly not all the time. The $200 I paid for the IC-251 isn't too expensive, and there are often sub-$100 2m all modes transceivers on Ebay.

Gil.
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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2017, 04:28:37 AM »

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I can easily get over 50 miles on 50 watts and a 3 element beam on a daily basis on 2 meter SSB

Thanks, I am mostly interested in reliable communication... We'll see what 10W can do... I am waiting for the PAR loop, omnidirectional, but no gain... The antenna gets good reports, and it will help me map my RF surroundings. I'll make a video. Don't forget to subscribe.

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I do not want to risk a bundle on something that will make longer than 50 mile contacts only a few times a year.

I think it is more than a few times a year, but certainly not all the time. The $200 I paid for the IC-251 isn't too expensive, and there are often sub-$100 2m all modes transceivers on Ebay.

Gil.

Another thing to consider is to sell your HF rig and getting a used  FT 897 or IC-706MkIIg. They put out 50 watts on two meters, plus you also have 6 meters and 440 multi-mode.

At minimum I suggest getting a three element  2 meter beam, they take up little space and very manageable. They are easy to put in the trunk or back seat so you can take them to a remote location, hilltop or mountain and operate from there. Another plus is that you don't need a rotor to turn it, put it on a pole on your back deck and turn it by hand. That's what I did.

On the used market a 3 element two meter beam often sells for $40 and up. If you buy one of the multi-band, multi-mode radios that I suggested. Then go for the 2 meter/440 beam. I think new they run a little over $100...

Now If you can get a 5 element or larger, all the better and remember to use horizontal polarization for SSB.
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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2017, 07:05:31 AM »

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At minimum I suggest getting a three element  2 meter beam

Well, I made this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6quIk_X3QIE

I plan on making a Moxon too...

Gil.
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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2017, 04:00:38 AM »

For those doubting what VHF SSB can do, here's compilation of videos of contacts over various distances.

All contacts were made with 5w to simple antennas (no more than 6 el)

http://home.alphalink.com.au/~parkerp/gateway/vhfssb.htm
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