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Author Topic: Microphone suggestions  (Read 4769 times)
AC9RN
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« on: October 06, 2017, 06:24:17 PM »

I've become the proud owner of a Ten-Tec paragon, which did not include a mike -
What would my ham radio family recommend for good and reasonably priced mike for this rig?
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Lenny, AC9RN (Formerly KB2NYA)
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2017, 12:56:40 PM »

Call BoB Heil and ask him what he has for under $100.
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AC9RN
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2017, 05:13:49 PM »

Call BoB Heil and ask him what he has for under $100.

 Grin
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Lenny, AC9RN (Formerly KB2NYA)
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2017, 09:55:37 AM »

Hi

If the Ten-Tec originally is fitted with a dynamic handmike, any cheap CB dynamic mike will do fine.

I now run the President (Uniden) Liberty on my IC7300 , its a DECT wireless speaker mike with a nice range all around and in my house.

i can even put the audio plug in my PC to RX on a websdr and transmit on my IC7300 or choose to Rx with the Icom.

73 Jos

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K4RVN
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2017, 03:21:19 PM »

I use the Heil BM- 10 headset boom mike on my Omni 6 which is one of the least expensive Heil sells. It is a dynamic mic.and has the HC 6 element. A required adaptor is extra for the radio 4 connector. It has excellent audio results. Most any Electret or dynamic mic will work just depends on what quality mic you are willing to buy.  Older Ten Tecs  such as the Paragon are normally supplied with a 4 connector electret mic which gets its voltage from the radio. I have owned several Ten Tecs and presently use an Omni 6. Most cheap selling mics are made cheap in China, as I have tried several which quit early on so just got a Heil years ago and presently own three BM-10 mics.
I use a BM10 on my 7410 Icom with the IC element and adaptor. They last for me. I hope that you enjoy the paragon.

Frank
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K2OWK
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2017, 05:20:44 PM »

D-104 best mike for broadcast ever made. Can be bought at hamfests and from EBay at very reasonable prices (except gold and silver eagle). I have been using one for more then 50 years without problems or bad audio reports.

73s

K2OWK
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W9GB
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2017, 05:31:29 PM »

Ten-Tec Paragon (model 585) and Paragon II (model 586) used the
Electret microphone element in the model 705 desk microphone.  
http://www.tentecwiki.org/doku.php?id=705
I owned the Ten-Tec Paragon II (model 586) in early 1990s.

TenTec Wiki Pages
http://www.tentecwiki.org/doku.php

TenTec Paragon, model 585 product page.
http://www.tentecwiki.org/doku.php?id=585

Carl Moreschi, N4PY developed an EPROM upgrade chip for this model.  Availability unknown.
http://www.tentecwiki.org/doku.php?id=585n4pychip

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K4JJL
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2017, 10:19:01 AM »

D-104 best mike for broadcast ever made.



I've literally never seen anyone in broadcast use a D-104.  Most use a Shure SM-7B.
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2017, 07:20:03 PM »

Any mike with the Heil HC3 or HC5 cartridge (or newer versions of same) will work well with the Paragon, P-II, Omni V, VI, VI+, and both the Orion and the O-II.  The HC-4 Heil will work if you like very high-pitched audio.

I use the Heil Pro-Sets and the Pro-Micro headsets.  Especially useful using VOX.

Phil C. Sr.
k4dpk  1955
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K4RVN
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2017, 07:58:23 AM »

The Astaic D 104 is all wrong for the Ten Tec. Wrong crystal element, wrong impedance, old old mic designed for tube type radios and used a lot on CBs when provide with an available built in amplifier to over modulatate AM rigs.
I have one I bought new in the 50s. Don't waste your money or time looking for one. The 10 DA astatic which fits on the same base
with a plug in head will work and was a dynamic mic designed for SSB rigs. I have one of those also from the 70s.  Check out K4 DPK's site and listen up to what he wrote as he knows the Ten Tec rigs. The Heil elements he mentioned have been updated so the newer ones start with the HC 6 which sounds great on my Omni 6 option 3 model Ten Tec. I have also used electret mics .

Frank
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W9GB
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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2017, 09:08:25 AM »

Heil Sound’s current production Dynamic microphone cartridges (elements) are:
HC-6 and HC-7
https://heilsound.com/amateur-radio-product-cat/amateur-radio/
Earlier models: HC-4, HC-5 are discontinued.
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JLI Electronics (Transsound) Microphone Elements
Harleysville, PA (USA), importer of OEM mic assemblies.
They specialize in Panasonic microphone replacements and parts
http://www.transsound.net

Repairing the Shure SM-58 professional (Dynamic) microphone, mfg. since 1966.
https://www.ifixit.com/Device/Shure_SM58
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Great Sounding Homebrew Microphone For About 10 Bucks
W1AEX
http://www.w1aex.com/mic/mic.html

Elecret microphone elements are DIRT CHEAP, less than $4.00
ANY Electronic or Audio Distributor stocks these items (2-wire or 3-wire).

AdaFruit Industries in NYC (USA)
Owner: Limor Fried, AC2SN, MIT (MS EECS)
https://www.adafruit.com/product/1064?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkZa67IDz1gIV2bbACh08OAVIEAQYAiABEgJsffD_BwE

Panasonic WM-034 series (Flat frequency respone)
https://www.surplussales.com/Microphones-Audio/pdf/wm-034bz.pdf
Surplus Sales
https://www.surplussales.com/Microphones-Audio/MicroAudio-4.html

RADIO SHACK ?  HALF-PRICE Sale
Mic element — PC mount version : $1.50
https://www.radioshack.com/products/radioshack-pc-mount-condenser-microphone-element
Mic element with leads : $2.50
https://www.radioshack.com/products/electret-microphone-element-with-leads?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkZa67IDz1gIV2bbACh08OAVIEAQYASABEgIPMPD_BwE
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WA3SKN
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2017, 03:53:39 PM »

OK, the user manual states a low or high impedance of up to 25kohm can be used, it also mentions -62 dB and 5mv for levels.  the front panel mic jack pinout is 4 pin, pin 1 for mic, pin 2 gnd, pin 3 PTT, and pin is +4v for electrets.  It also recommends shielded cable to keep RF out of the radio.
They do not mention how low is low z, but I think they are at the 500-600 ohm range and not the below 150 ohms of most broadcast mics.
Hope this helps with whatever communications mic you adapt.
73s.

-Mike.
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K4RVN
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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2017, 06:55:17 PM »

My apology to K2OWK for my post reply #9. The D 104 Crystal mic. can be used on the Ten Tec Paragon as it will accept crystal elements and high impedance mics. Although developed in 1933 for tube rigs, I was in error when I said it was all wrong before checking the manual. All please disregard  reply # 9. Astatic did develop the 10 DA mic. later for use with SSB rigs.

Frank
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WA4NJY
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2017, 11:43:28 AM »


 If you want a desk mic, the Ten-Tec 708 works very well for me on OMNI V.  I really like the two way PTT switch.

 MFJ may still have their hand mic series with the four pin TT connector.  Has good ratings.

 Ed
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AC9RN
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2017, 12:08:00 PM »

Lots of great info, folks, Thanks very much!
Not sure if I'll go the headset route or a regular desk mike yet though -
Cheers~
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