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Author Topic: The good ol' days  (Read 6822 times)
WB2KSP
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« on: October 16, 2017, 04:09:28 AM »

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 Look!!! All of those towers in the background and no one has painted their home in orange stripes. How did we survive before Home Owners Associations told us that everything must be exactly the same. Oh look, someone left their garage door open and there are cars left on the street. Here a fine there a fine everywhere a fine, fine.
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2017, 06:27:35 AM »

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 Look!!! All of those towers in the background and no one has painted their home in orange stripes. How did we survive before Home Owners Associations told us that everything must be exactly the same. Oh look, someone left their garage door open and there are cars left on the street. Here a fine there a fine everywhere a fine, fine.

I wounder who will have to pay when baseball will make a ding on that car parked along the street.

But generally many HOA rules are written to replace common sense: I do not think anyone will object if there are Porsche or Corvette parked on the driveway in the neighborhood, but not so if it is a rusted clunker. Due to "political correctness" rules cannot say "do not leave your rusted piece of junk" on the street, and instead prohibit ANY car outside of garage. Many "no antenna" rules were written when you needed 10 feet dish to receive satellite TV stream.

Unfortunately due to legal system around HOA it is very hard to rewrite any once set rules, even if they do not make sense anymore. But this is all other topic.

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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2017, 07:13:49 AM »

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 Look!!! All of those towers in the background and no one has painted their home in orange stripes. How did we survive before Home Owners Associations told us that everything must be exactly the same. Oh look, someone left their garage door open and there are cars left on the street. Here a fine there a fine everywhere a fine, fine.

I wounder who will have to pay when baseball will make a ding on that car parked along the street.

But generally many HOA rules are written to replace common sense: I do not think anyone will object if there are Porsche or Corvette parked on the driveway in the neighborhood, but not so if it is a rusted clunker. Due to "political correctness" rules cannot say "do not leave your rusted piece of junk" on the street, and instead prohibit ANY car outside of garage. Many "no antenna" rules were written when you needed 10 feet dish to receive satellite TV stream.

Unfortunately due to legal system around HOA it is very hard to rewrite any once set rules, even if they do not make sense anymore. But this is all other topic.



So I wonder what would happen if the FCC overruled a CC&R's ability to disallow ham radio antennas. Would the HOA's then be able to allow a neighborhood homeowner to erect an outside antenna? If that is the case perhaps the answer would be to have the federal government overrule CC&R's and leave the rest to the individual.
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2017, 09:14:43 AM »

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 Look!!! All of those towers in the background and no one has painted their home in orange stripes. How did we survive before Home Owners Associations told us that everything must be exactly the same. Oh look, someone left their garage door open and there are cars left on the street. Here a fine there a fine everywhere a fine, fine.

I wounder who will have to pay when baseball will make a ding on that car parked along the street.

But generally many HOA rules are written to replace common sense: I do not think anyone will object if there are Porsche or Corvette parked on the driveway in the neighborhood, but not so if it is a rusted clunker. Due to "political correctness" rules cannot say "do not leave your rusted piece of junk" on the street, and instead prohibit ANY car outside of garage. Many "no antenna" rules were written when you needed 10 feet dish to receive satellite TV stream.

Unfortunately due to legal system around HOA it is very hard to rewrite any once set rules, even if they do not make sense anymore. But this is all other topic.



So I wonder what would happen if the FCC overruled a CC&R's ability to disallow ham radio antennas. Would the HOA's then be able to allow a neighborhood homeowner to erect an outside antenna? If that is the case perhaps the answer would be to have the federal government overrule CC&R's and leave the rest to the individual.


   
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2017, 09:38:31 AM »

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 Look!!! All of those towers in the background and no one has painted their home in orange stripes. How did we survive before Home Owners Associations told us that everything must be exactly the same. Oh look, someone left their garage door open and there are cars left on the street. Here a fine there a fine everywhere a fine, fine.

I wounder who will have to pay when baseball will make a ding on that car parked along the street.

But generally many HOA rules are written to replace common sense: I do not think anyone will object if there are Porsche or Corvette parked on the driveway in the neighborhood, but not so if it is a rusted clunker. Due to "political correctness" rules cannot say "do not leave your rusted piece of junk" on the street, and instead prohibit ANY car outside of garage. Many "no antenna" rules were written when you needed 10 feet dish to receive satellite TV stream.

Unfortunately due to legal system around HOA it is very hard to rewrite any once set rules, even if they do not make sense anymore. But this is all other topic.



So I wonder what would happen if the FCC overruled a CC&R's ability to disallow ham radio antennas. Would the HOA's then be able to allow a neighborhood homeowner to erect an outside antenna? If that is the case perhaps the answer would be to have the federal government overrule CC&R's and leave the rest to the individual.


   
S. 1534 Amateur Radio Parity Act


I agree but the parity act goes further in that it instructs HOA's on antenna issues. If the HOA didn't have a covenant to follow (and covenants are public not private laws) then negotiations could take place. As of today because of the CC&R's negotiations are not allowed so that means the ARRL should go after the covenants first which would give these HOA's and their potential purchasers room to negotiate. Hope I'm explaining myself clearly. Theoretically what this would mean is that the CAI would not be involved with negotiations on this law. The revision would just make it illegal to disallow amateur radio by any group because the operation of Amateur radio is under the jurisdiction of the FCC not private home associations. If after the law is changed and all HOA's still mantaned the anti antenna rule that could be considered be a form of collusion.
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2017, 12:43:55 PM »

The HOA is proof the socialist, communist, Marxist, liberal, Leninist and 'they' have crept into every facet of our lives.

Regulate cradle to grave. The masses are easiest to control when we're voiceless, classless, thoughtless, mindless
and Godless.

Your children are damned.

Kraus
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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2017, 04:16:38 PM »

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 Look!!! All of those towers in the background and no one has painted their home in orange stripes. How did we survive before Home Owners Associations told us that everything must be exactly the same. Oh look, someone left their garage door open and there are cars left on the street. Here a fine there a fine everywhere a fine, fine.

What country is this???

 Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2017, 11:27:29 AM »

Oh yes, I remember the mid 50's.  Almost every home was getting some kind of tower or pole to put up that TV antenna.  And as long as the car ran, you could park a beater or a caddy out front.
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2017, 07:20:27 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2017, 07:03:02 AM »

... the parity act goes further in that it instructs HOA's on antenna issues. If the HOA didn't have a covenant to follow (and covenants are public not private laws) then...

That's quite frankly, just plain legal gobbledygook.

By LEGAL definition "private" law can not apply to HOA's. Wink



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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2017, 07:41:24 AM »

... the parity act goes further in that it instructs HOA's on antenna issues. If the HOA didn't have a covenant to follow (and covenants are public not private laws) then...

That's quite frankly, just plain legal gobbledygook.

By LEGAL definition "private" law can not apply to HOA's. Wink





Maybe I'm not understanding your response, so please forgive me. I am very much a pro parity supporter. I think the inability to erect a outdoor antenna on ones own property is a major overstep of our individual liberty to participate in a legal hobby. The point of my comment was to overturn CC&R as they pertain to ham radio. That would allow HOA',s which are covered by these rules and which they must enforce, to consider the use of an outdoor antenna by a prospective purchaser. As of today, I don't believe HOA's can even consider the erection of an external antenna due to their obligation to uphold the CC&R's. If there are four HOA's in a town and only one allows a homeowner to put up a ham antenna I doubt anyone would complain. The problem today is that there are nearly no new homes/communities being built which allow ham antennas to be constructed on an individuals property.
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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2017, 11:16:01 AM »

You guys might find this interesting http://www.tcpalm.com/story/opinion/readers/2017/09/30/amateur-radio-vital-during-disasters-and-deserves-sen-nelsons-support/711423001/

It looks like some people in Florida get it.......

And of course there was a comment made by a CAI shill, that said, "You bought it, you eat it".......
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2017, 11:35:09 AM »



"I wounder who will have to pay when baseball will make a ding on that car parked along the street."





Those cars are made of steel, they won't dent, lol.

Terry
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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2017, 12:18:51 PM »

I predict Tango Radio One Unbelievably Magnificent President (TR1UMP) will abolish all HOA's and CCR's and require a mandatory 200 foot tower with stacked yagis for all licensees !  It's going to be HUGE !!  Making ham radio great again !!
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2017, 05:39:02 PM »

I predict Tango Radio One Unbelievably Magnificent President (TR1UMP) will abolish all HOA's and CCR's and require a mandatory 200 foot tower with stacked yagis for all licensees !  It's going to be HUGE !!  Making ham radio great again !!
   Are you kidding?  As a real estate developer, Trump would oppose anything that might hinder property values or home sales!!  Shocked
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