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Author Topic: 60M Band Restrictions  (Read 852 times)
N4VNV
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« on: October 19, 2004, 05:49:47 AM »

Since no CW is allowed on the 60M band, why are some stations on there using "Roger/Over Beeps". Aren't they illegal for this band? (Plus they are ____ irritating)
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N3ZKP
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2004, 06:26:09 AM »

Illegal? How did you come to this conclusion?

While I agree that they are childish and irritating, they are not CW. All they are is audio tones modulating the SSB signal. There is nothing illegal about this.

Lon
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N4VNV
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2004, 10:12:39 AM »

If you will READ my original comment, I asked a question. I DID NOT make a statement! I have not concluded it is illegal, if I had I would not pose the question. Thank you.
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DROLLTROLL
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2004, 10:40:09 AM »

"Aren't they illegal for this band?"  Implies a statement.

"Are they illegal for this band?  Implies a question.
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AA4PB
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2004, 12:58:58 PM »

The other day someone was claiming that he couldn't tune up on 60M because the tune carrier was not USB. He was advised that he should yell "FOOOUUURRR" into the mike to get a legal signal to tune with. This is rather silly in my opinion. When the FCC restricts operation to USB they are talking about the main communications not tune carriers and over beeps.
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WB2WIK
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2004, 03:12:28 PM »

I actually respect the "USB only" thing and, when I've "tuned up" on 60m, have used a 700 Hz tone to modulate my rig in the USB mode.  Maybe that is taking things a bit too seriously...

But "roger beeps?"

Good grief...hams use those?
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WA4MJF
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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2004, 04:23:18 PM »

Actually, they're a government invention.
NASA used them early on.  I've noted that
the USAF Auxiliary uses them a lot on
HF nowadays too.  You might be hearing
some of the government stations that we
share the channels with.

In the original form, they were K beeps
not R beeps (for the no coders K means
over).  I'll listen more closely to the CAP
to see if they're using K or R beeps.

73 de Ronnie
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WA4MJF
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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2004, 05:05:58 PM »

I listened to the SC Wing Net tonight
and they're E beeps.


73 de Ronnie
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WB2WIK
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2004, 02:31:45 PM »

In lieu of a beep, I've decided to just use the word "ninny" if I hear someone else using the beep.

It takes no more time than a beep, and is more personal than an electronic gadget.

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KL7IPV
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2004, 11:39:51 AM »

It is my understanding that the "roger beeps" were designed to let the listener know the other party has finished on his end. The reason for the beep is that it is easy to hear under most conditions and just in case the listener is unaware the talker is finished the beep lets him know. SO what is wrong with that concept? It worked for the space program a long time. In some adverse conditions it seems to be a logical means to an end. And it certainly isn't any worse then the "dit dit" used on CW.
73
Frank
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N3ZKP
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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2004, 05:54:10 PM »

The beeps don't bother me in the least. I look at them as an HF/Simplex version of the repeater's courtesy tone.

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KA3RFE
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2004, 10:08:03 AM »

I just love it when people "invent" new rules. There's not a darned thing in Part 97 prohibiting those beeps.

They are not CW by definition, since CW is defiend as the on-off keying of a transmitter. The beeps are being transmitted useing USB with an audio signal.

Please keep in mind that 60 meters is shared with government users and you might be hearing them and not hams.

73, Pete KA3RFE
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