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Author Topic: Obama and Amateurs unique Perspective?  (Read 2554 times)
AC2Q
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« on: June 11, 2008, 07:10:52 AM »

Perhaps I am an oddity, but over the past several years, when offered the opportunity, I have talked to Amateurs in other countries about thier health care systems.

Am I alone in being SCARED TO DEATH of the possibility of Socialized Medicine?

This election, as in all past Presidential elections since I was eligible to vote (1980) will be the "lesser of 2 evils"

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N4CQR
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2008, 11:14:21 AM »

I like Ron Paul. Unfortuately the future does not look good for him.

Craig N4CQR
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KA1MDA
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2008, 05:37:53 PM »

No, it scares the crap out of me too. My question to those supporting it is: Do you really want the same people who run the DMV to be in control of your health care???

73, de Tom, KA1MDA
www.ka1mda.org
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KB9CRY
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2008, 07:10:15 PM »

The Democrats (like all Socialists and Fascists) are all about Control of the Masses.

The Public is basically stupid and if you keep a populace ignorant, poor, and hungry, they are easily controlled.

Think about that statement in terms of our current public education system and how those kids are testing out these days, think about the high gas prices and how the Demos don't want US drilling due to environmental reasons, and the rising prices of food and other staples.  Think about if the government controls the media.  Think about if citizens could not own and bear arms.  The Dem control Congress but all they do is blame GW.  Really, the blame is with them, isn't it?

Don't be confused about what is best for most people; we as individual citizens, in a democracy, really really want to control our own lives and DO NOT want the Government to do that.  Don't think that they'd go after our frequencies; for the good of the country.  Are you a citizen?

Vote very carefully.
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KE4DRN
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2008, 08:20:57 PM »

if their plan for health care is so good,
let congress be the first to 'test fly' it
for the next four years.

I bet most of us would not get the same medical
care that sen. K just got.

airlift outta his vacation home to mass gen,
mega testing and then brain surgery right here
at Duke Univ Hospital in Durham NC.

btw, wanna know why mrs clinton is so nice
to sen obama ?

she loaned 11 million of her own money to her
campaign, she has little time left to repay the
loans (get obama to ask for more donations to
help mrs. c repay the loans)
otherwise after the dem convention, if not repaid,
mrs clinton has just made an $ 11mm campaign
contribution to herself !

73 james

73 james
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KU2US
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2008, 06:30:22 AM »

This is what really SCARES me about Obama: The guy dont know how many states there are in the Union! He was asked how many states he was or did campaign in. His answer-"All 57 of them, and I got one more to go". And he wants to be PRESIDENT? Like stated above, universal health care is just one more way the Gov't can control you. The Dems have been blocking oil exploration for years, so its now GW's fault? The GOP just blocked a bill by the Dems to tax excess profits by the oil companies. Now the Dems are crying that the GOP dont care about the high cost of gas, but in reality, if that tax bill was passed, what do you think will happen? The Oil companies will pass it on to the consumer and the price for gas will be even higher! DUH...And what about US? we will lose frequencies, because the Dems will make them "universal frequencies". The environmental whackos will get some, and maybe we may even hear "Air America" on 20 meters. My fellow hams, think this November out carefully, and watch what lever you push in that booth. McCain may not be the favorite choice for everyone, ( Im a Mitt Romney Guy) but he is the lesser of the two evils.  
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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2008, 06:42:13 AM »

I forgot: If you want freedom, all our freq's to be intact, your choice of doctor & treatment, less taxes, & less Gov't control:

Dont vote for:

Barak "HUSSIEN" Obama .
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W3LK
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2008, 06:50:24 AM »

Give the following a read ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365382,00.html

73,

Lon - W3LK
Naugatuck, Connecticut
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2008, 08:32:27 AM »

Where is Ronnie Reagan? The end of a democracy is when the welfare and Government freebee class discover that they can vote themselves liberal politicians and benefits. Heaven help us all!

73 de Lindy
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SKEPTIC
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2008, 09:16:34 AM »

Pure genius.  I wish I'd read about this before I voted for Obama in the primary.

Seriously, this has nothing to do with ham radio.
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WW5AA
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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2008, 11:20:55 AM »

"Seriously, this has nothing to do with ham radio"

It will when the "one world, one people" types in government decide it is in the interest of "all the people" to sell our frequencies!

73 de Lindy
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KA1MDA
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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2008, 01:58:00 PM »

I heard a great one on 40 meters a few weeks ago- can't remember the station's call, but I think he was down south in 4 land. He was in a political QSO with another station, and his words were priceless. He said (quoting to the best of my recollection):

"My daddy told me a long time ago- Son, there ain't nothin the government can give you that they haven't taken away first."

BTW, since Obama loves talking about change, here's my take on what his speeches really mean:

Change is good.
We need change.
I believe in change.
What I believe may change.
What I say may change.
Because I believe in change.
What I do tomorrow may not be what I promised today.
It may change.
But change is good.
We need change.
I need change.
Send all your spare change to my campaign.
Blah blah blah...

73, de Tom, KA1MDA
www.ka1mda.org


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AA4PB
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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2008, 04:15:05 PM »

He'll give you change but you can be he'll keep your dollars.
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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2008, 04:19:46 PM »

Let's see.


My Ham friends in New Zeland, Australia, and Europe all laugh when I tell them we don't want socialized medicine. They tell me we are fools.

I tell them we will have to wait in long lines, and they say "not here we don't".

Then a few months ago I got a blood clot in my leg. I went to a hospital and laid there for several hours before the EMP told me to go home and take a few asperins and see my doctor. My doctor was out from Friday until Monday. My doctor sent me to a specialist who saw me 10 days later, even though I had a golf ball sized clot by then.

The specialist saw me and said lay down, take aspirins, and it will go away.

A month later it was bigger and harder, and I pleaded for help. I was sent to another specialist who saw me withion a few days. A week later he stripped the vein out and removed a clot bigger than a meat ball.

This all cost me $3000 even though I had a Blue Cross HMO I pay $1100 a month for.

Last year my buddy in Australia that lives miles from everywhere has a sore back. They sent a car to pick him up. They saw him within an hour and scheduled him for surgery. He got operated on right away, and his total charges were something like $25 for some presciption co-pay.

My buds wife in New Zeland needed major heart surgery, and got in right away. Didn't cost her a dime. She's fine.

I'm having a difficult time understanding why our own system seems to work poorly yet many people think it is great.

Can anyone explain why our system costs more, doesn't work better, yet we all like it and want to keep it?

Are we afraid the rest of the people in the world are smarter than us, and we can't even copy what someone else does?

Or have we all been duped by the lobbyists?

My conclusion is our system works great if we work for someone who pays our healthcare, if we are loaded and want botox injections, or if we never get sick. Otherwise it sucks.
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KE4DRN
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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2008, 04:35:09 PM »

hi,

with all the fraud that we have with medicare,
we'll have much more if they force us to have
universal healthcare.

the medical business needs to be run like a business,
just like the dentists do.  they all expect to be
paid in full when service is rendered. they don't file
insurance anymore.  they let you file it with their
receipt for the service.  keeps their costs very low.

MD offices have expensive computer software to hook up
to the insurance companies and that costs a lot of money.
plus the staff to keep up with the mountain of paperwork
generated by the medical billing software etc.

neighbors are from the UK, they are now us citizens.
they always talk about their free healthcare back
in the UK.  Free no way !  

Canadians travel into NY State for medical care,
they can't wait in canada.

Ask anyone in the UK and canada about their VAT
tax, that is what pays for healtchare.

Many other countries have medical coverage for the
population, they have plenty of money to pay for it.

Reason is they have NATO to protect their country and
that means the USA foots the bills for the military.
We spend so much to keep our military strong
 little money left to pay for other stuff.  Not to mention the mess in iraq etc.

73 james
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