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Author Topic: ARE THERE STILL PLACES WHERE HAM LICENSES CAN BE BOUGHT W/O TEST  (Read 72594 times)
W9ZIM
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« Reply #60 on: June 03, 2017, 06:39:36 AM »

Sigh...

Every time I read threads like this I feel completely unwanted by my peers. Or perhaps that I am not a peer. After all I could never live up to the example of the glory days- at least that seems to be the presupposition of the "old guys".

You guys might want to consider that there in fact are many high quality hams who passed recent exams- but that they choose to stay far away from you.

Food for thought.

I agree.  The elitism exhibited by some hams is unfortunate. I think anybody who at any time has passed the amateur radio exam has a right to feel proud of his accomplishment.
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WA2ISE
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« Reply #61 on: June 03, 2017, 03:00:50 PM »

[quote author=W9ZIM link=topic=79223.msg1001512#msg1001512 date=1496497176

I agree.  The elitism exhibited by some hams is unfortunate. I think anybody who at any time has passed the amateur radio exam has a right to feel proud of his accomplishment.
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Oh, I'd estimate that passing the Extra is roughly equal to 4 credits of coursework in college.  Where most classes in college are 3 credits, and you need 120 credits to graduate in a 4 year program. 
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SM0AOM
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« Reply #62 on: June 05, 2017, 11:26:56 AM »

Even the FCC Extra is elementary in comparison to the proper European interpretation of the HAREC Curriculum, such as in Germany.

The highest class (A) there has an exam consisting of 120 difficult questions, and as an example in the regulations part you are expected to know both international and national Telecommunications Laws.

Trying to assign some college or university credit equivalent to the Extra exam is difficult at best, as the course contents and teaching methods can be expected to be quite different.

Looking back at my own studies in the 70's, where MSEE students were expected to put in about 1600 hours per academic year resulting in 40 "old credits" or 40 h/credit.

The "new credits" correspond to about 30 h/credit and 30 credits per semester and a current MSEE programme is expected to take 5 years resulting in 300 credits.

Trying to scale the European credit system to the US would make one US credit approximately equal to 2 European. If the Extra course and exam should equal 8 EU credits, it would roughly correspond in difficulty and extent to the current course in Engineering Electromagnetics which is 220 h total.
I doubt this.

Regarding "elitism", the sole reasons for our vast privileges are that we are supposed to form just a  well-educated elite among radio hobbyists.
As long as we are perceived as such in the eyes of the regulators we might keep our privileges.

For those that do not want to learn anything or put in any effort, there are other frequency bands.

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KC4ZGP
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« Reply #63 on: June 05, 2017, 11:38:47 AM »


There is no profit in honesty, ethics or standards. I shall die a poor man.

Back to the paddle.

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K2ACB
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« Reply #64 on: June 06, 2017, 09:36:04 AM »

Years ago in New York City I met a ham from a Central American country I had worked on hf. He told me that his whole family including his wife and children had amateur radio licenses. I asked him if they had all taken the test to get a license. He told me that he had gone to the local amateur radio licensing authority and bought the radio amateur licenses and call signs for his family. They never took a test. Whether that still applies in this country today,I do not know.

I also know of one country in the Middle East ,again this is a number of years ago, where if someone had a degree from a recognized University in electrical engineering,all that was required to get a radio amateur license was to take the required cw test.

I did hear years ago that buying amateur radio licenses without taking an exam in some South American,Central American and Caribbean countries was rampant. Again whether that occurs today ,I do not know.

I do know there was a scandal a number of years ago when it came to certain DXpeditions. Licensed radio amateurs ffrom the USA and other countries went to some exotic DX countries especially in Africa and in the Pacific area to operate dx. These DXpeditions never got proper authorization to operate from the licensing authorities from these countries. The DX operators still carried on with the DXpedition even though it was not authorized by the local government.

The end result was the ARRL refused to recognize the qsl cards received from the DXpeditions for DXCC confirmation purposes.

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SM0AOM
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« Reply #65 on: June 18, 2017, 11:01:09 PM »

I also know of one country in the Middle East ,again this is a number of years ago, where if someone had a degree from a recognized University in electrical engineering,all that was required to get a radio amateur license was to take the required cw test.

This was not too uncommon some years ago.

Several countries recognised the military or commercial radiotelegraph operator's certificates as equivalent to the highest class of amateur licence.
The only thing that an applicant had to do in order to get an amateur callsign was to sign a declaration that the rules and regulations were understood.

Finally, I find the general idea of both requiring a Morse test and an EE degree for getting an amateur licence very appealing...



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