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Author Topic: How can this place sell COMSEC equipment?  (Read 3851 times)
VIPER21700
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« on: September 01, 2012, 04:23:59 PM »

Checked out this website, they run a large business out of CA. Multiple current issue milspec radios (Harris PRC-152's, PRC-119F/RT-1523E with comsec modules installed, plus some other interesting items...)
 My question is, this is current US Military issue equipment, current Comunications Security equipment, how in the name of god, allah, or whatever other deity you worship can they sell this equipment?
http://www.murphyjunk.bizland.com/index.html
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KCJ9091
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2012, 06:54:13 PM »

What?
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VIPER21700
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2012, 06:59:09 PM »

Ok, quick down and dirty class on cryptographic material. COMSEC aka communications security deals with military cryptographic systems. The RT-1523 is considered CCI (Controlled Cryptographic Item) which means its controlled and considered classified through the military EKMS (Electronic Key Managment System) program.
Thats what Im talking about.
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G3RZP
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2012, 04:23:50 AM »

Some of that stuff has items of 'unobtainium' in it. From memory, you need the electronic key that is applicable in order to use the comsec function, although it's well over 25 years since I had anything to do with SINGCARS, its derivatives, and HAVEQUICK etc...
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2012, 08:58:58 AM »

I know what comsec is.  Where do you see any item description stating the comsec modules are still in the equipment?

The first thing we had to to was pull the modules and return them to the comsec vault any time the radios were left in unsecured storage.
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KE5PPH
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2012, 12:18:05 PM »

If you think it's that big of an issue, you could call the FBI instead of just making a post.
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K0JEG
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2012, 01:45:30 PM »

Maybe they can sell to military contractors and the like.
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K3GM
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2012, 02:39:40 PM »

I tried the OP's web address, and was surprised to see a DNVT (digital non-secure voiceterminal) TA-1042 at the top of the page.  My former company made thousand of these phones, and I layed out the PCB.  Those phones are nearly 3 decades old, ancient technology.

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G3RZP
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2012, 11:55:34 PM »

For that matter, how old is the PRC77?
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KCJ9091
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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2012, 06:26:00 AM »

About 50 now. They started replacing the PRC-25 in the late 60s.
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G3RZP
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2012, 07:18:54 AM »

Jerry,

If they weren't so common, museums would be in a bidding frenzy for them!
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KO4XJ
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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2012, 06:46:40 AM »

"military EKMS (Electronic Key Managment System) " It's funny to see KW-7's on the internet... Now that's what's I'm talking about  Grin


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John
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KCJ9091
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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2012, 10:16:54 AM »

Jerry,

If they weren't so common, museums would be in a bidding frenzy for them!

And they still sell on ebay for unbelievably high prices.  I want one but not a $500 one that may have modules missing.
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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2012, 07:01:22 PM »

Ummm...for the record, the sale of COMSEC equipment is NOT illegal. Otherwise, those of us who legitimately own modern day Motorola products should be sitting in Leavenworth Prison. However, the unauthorized possession of the encryption key is considered to be the unauthorized possession of classified information and the export of COMSEC without a license is an export violation.  Violation of either will put you away for a pretty decent amount of time. 

73's
Jerry
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