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Author Topic: TS-590S or TS-2000?  (Read 4432 times)
K1PJR
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« on: January 22, 2013, 11:20:20 AM »

Hi,
After getting back into ham radio after 40 years I was debating between an FT-950 and TS-590S.  After reading a ton of reviews I settled on the 590S.

I went to the HRO website and I see that the TS-2000 is on sale for $1,469.  The 590S is $1,529.  I prefer HF but it would be nice to have all the additional VHF bands.  Aside from the sloping front which I don't like, what radio would you purchase?

Tnx
Phil
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2013, 12:05:12 PM »

Hi,
After getting back into ham radio after 40 years I was debating between an FT-950 and TS-590S.  After reading a ton of reviews I settled on the 590S.

I went to the HRO website and I see that the TS-2000 is on sale for $1,469.  The 590S is $1,529.  I prefer HF but it would be nice to have all the additional VHF bands.  Aside from the sloping front which I don't like, what radio would you purchase?

Tnx
Phil
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The 2000 looks real good on paper but it is a 14 year old design and its DSP is VERY primitive by today's standards. Receiver lacks on HF but does have a decent sounding transmitter like most Kenwoods do. The DSP in 590 and far more advanced than that in 2000. If HF is your game, 590 is the choice here.
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2013, 09:55:32 PM »

I own both and the TS590 is far superior receiver to the TS2000.  I ran transfer curve sensitivity testing and the TS590 is at least 25 db better which is huge!

The technology of the TS590 is NEW whereas the TS2000 is 15 years old.

The TS590 is about #8 in Sherwood Engineering list vs the TS2000 DOESN'T even make the list!

TX in the 590 is great also.

But if you want a satellite radio, then TS2000 is one to consider.  But if you want great HF get a TS590!  My opinion.
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2013, 05:30:44 AM »

I have had 2 friends return 3 different 590S radios because of the lousy transmit audio ... Hopefully they fixed it ..
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2013, 09:26:46 AM »

I have had 2 friends return 3 different 590S radios because of the lousy transmit audio ... Hopefully they fixed it ..

My guess here is they either did not know how to use the radio or had a antenna close by with RF feedback. There is nothing remotely wrong with 590's xmit audio.
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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2013, 09:50:01 AM »

Phil,

I started a thread a couple of months ago because I owned a TS-2000 and had just bought a TS-590S.  To me, both rigs sounded about the same on HF and I wanted to know what the big deal was about the TS-590S.

I've learned a bit since then.  (In other words, I read the manual and learned how to use the radio...)  I now know for a fact that the TS-590 receiver is superior to the TS-2000.  This is especially true when the bands are crowded.  The biggest difference to me is in the fatigue factor.  The DSP in the TS-590 really is better.  The noise reduction actually works and you can eliminate an amazing amount of hiss and pulse interference without affecting the intelligibility of the received signal. The DSP filters also work well. A few days ago on a 40M net I could still hear the other participants even with strong signals 2KHz on either side of the net frequency.  It was still not a happy situation, but with the TS-2K I could not have heard the net.

For the small difference in price, I would go with the TS-590S.  The only reason to buy a TS-2000 is if you enjoy VHF/UHF SSB or do satellite work and want/need to only own one radio.

Just my two cents worth.   Smiley

Bob, K0BT
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W6GF
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2013, 12:23:51 PM »

I have both and a K3.  The TS590 far superior to the TS2000 and almost on par with the K3.

George, W6GF
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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2013, 06:05:05 AM »

I owned a TS-590 for less than 48 hrs. It has a superior receiver however TX audio is flawed. If you don't need UHF/VHF and want good sounding audio, I would recommend you search for and buy a late model TS-870S  for several hundred $$$ less. If all you are going to do is use the TS-590 as a receiver, I would highly recommend it!
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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2013, 09:08:36 AM »

I owned a TS-590 for less than 48 hrs. It has a superior receiver however TX audio is flawed.

If there is a flaw in its audio it is in its operator not knowing how to use the radio. There is no design flaw in it. Some never take time to learn to use it properly. As it come out of box audio is plain vanilla and needs to be tailored o its user to do its best.
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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2013, 02:48:40 PM »

I have had many radios in the past few years, and currently use an orion for my hf and I have a ts 2000 as a backup radio.  the recieve on hf is not as good ass the orion, but I mostly use the ts2000 for the hands free VOX on 2 m and 440 repeaters, and I also use ith for uhf/vhf and 6m all mode contesting ( cw,ssb, fm and such.  ts200 is and good radio but not a great radio, but the uhf/vhf/6m makes up for some of that
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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2013, 06:48:24 PM »

More importantly, what type of HF antenna will you erect and where?
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2013, 10:10:15 AM »

I am going to jump into the fray on the TS-590. The audio is flawed. It is OK by FM repeater standards but not the level of clarity, distortion  and dynamic range you find on the higher prices radios. I had the the TS-590 for abut two weeks and try as I must it never approached the dynamic range and clarity of other radios in that price range.

The  radio is fine if you are loading into a dipole/vertical. Run and amplifier and a mono-bander up high and your signal in now 30 dB higher. The audio artifices now can be heard. I might add when you look at the signal on a spectrum analyze it spreads out pretty quickly at -35 dBC from peak carrier.
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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2013, 03:26:30 PM »

Would either of these pdfs help?

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wadei/TS-590S_TECHNOTE_ssb_audio_handling_v1.1.pdf

and

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/wadei/TS-590S_HOWTO_ssb_audio_setup_v1.0.pdf

Both of these were noted in eHam here:

eHam Forums => Mods And Repairs => Topic started by: AE7VA on October 27, 2012, 08:43:03 AM

Curious to know if anyone has applied this information.

73,
Tom
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W6GF
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2013, 06:34:39 PM »

I have got to weigh in again. I use my TS590 with a legal limit (+) amp and lots of different gain antennas.  It results in a top of pile up signal and a comment from the other end......"you have great audio".  Mine did come with a manual which I read.  Maybe that's why mine sounds good

George, W6GF
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2013, 10:40:02 AM »

I for one encourage honest comments on my own audio. Some are pretty touchy about it and are offended when you make a less than desirable comment on their audio. I have heard some pretty bad over processed audio at times whose owners thought it was fine.
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