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Author Topic: Poor operating practices catch on fast  (Read 7951 times)
K0OD
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2013, 11:20:03 AM »

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"I see the smiley, but I thought the high end of 40 was used in some middle eastern countries as a broadcast band.  Yes?  or no?"
Sure it is, and not just the middle east. Broadcasting was supposed to leave 40 a number of years ago and mostly has.

If the Space Cadet guy was mad about new-fangled phonetics (I had never heard that of him) then he was an idiot. Many phonetic systems co-existed going back to the dawn of line line telegraphy and perhaps before. ARRL even had their own phonetic system years ago.

Somehow recently it has been decided by ham instructors that the NATO system is the only correct one. Which is ridiculous.
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W9KEY
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2013, 12:20:52 PM »

[No, Myron disapproved of those who used the then-new Whiskey Alpha "space cadet" phonetics, rather than the older, WWII Willie Able phonetics. 

thanks for clearing up W2OY's issue with phonetics.  I was originally a WB -- in the recorded snippet he says "no Wet Bottoms" LOL

sounds like he was missing the glory days of radio and felt like the phone bands had been invaded by idiots who, in addition to being identified by their new school callsigns, also had new-school phonetics.  He did make some interesting phonetics up of his own in protest.  It does seem at least anecdotally that although he did things like call "CQ First Class operators" he was fairly civil to those who answered his CQ, even if they were K8's or kids Cheesy  sounds like he was a good businessman and person too, according to the tribute...
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KA4NMA
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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2013, 09:47:15 PM »

I have not heard of the NATO phonetics.  I saw only a few  differences such as alfa instead of alpha and Mike for Mary.  I checked the ARRL website and the ITU phonetics are the same as NATO.

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N2CST
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2013, 04:49:26 PM »

I must not have found the right ears here, because no one called me a mother father like you hear on 80.  Grin
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AC4BB
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2013, 07:32:01 AM »

  The most annoying bad practice I see on digital is, People that transmit with an "Open Mic" that is to say7 they either use use the mic to directly interface or the leave the mic inline. You can hear the background audio from their station.
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K1DA
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« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2013, 08:54:31 AM »

JackwagonMyron called CQ on  top of K1ZFN and I on 40 one afternoon.  Jackwagon didn't own a callbook and thus didn't know we were a half mile apart. Needless to say we talked right through him.  I suspect it cost him a few scarce brain cells.
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W8AAZ
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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2013, 05:19:32 PM »

I hear some people on 7.1-7.125 or so, using slow CW and some vintage rigs(I can tell by the keying, the chirps, etc.)Maybe novice nostalgia or just a handful of old novice crystals on hand. Seems to be a nice place for ops to pick up code speed or work QRS getting their feet wet in CW without being run over by the QRM and speed keys down in the lower portion. 
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AC4BB
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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2013, 05:47:32 PM »

   I got aggravated  while operating SSTV on 14.233.  A SSB signal appeared and it was distorted and WIDE 12KC wide at least.  I finally found the frequency of the offender.  I asked  "OM, do you know just exactly how wide and distorted your signal is?"  Yeah, I know it's wide, But, This rig was built in the 1950's and I have NO intentions of spending the money to fix it or invest the time required to fix. 'Don't like it that's just too Bad "Buzz off."
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K1CJS
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« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2013, 04:31:26 AM »

  ....Yeah, I know it's wide, But, This rig was built in the 1950's and I have NO intentions of spending the money to fix it or invest the time required to fix. 'Don't like it that's just too Bad "Buzz off."

Time to get the notepaper and the recorder and report this guy to the OOs or the FCC.  They'll see that he spends the money--one way or the other! 
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AC4BB
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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2013, 11:27:27 AM »

  Checking my logbook.  I was 14.233 USB and  I caught him at 14.221 and I cannot recall how far above or below that he went?  I know he was racking 14.233 up big time.
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« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2013, 12:35:51 AM »

   I got aggravated  while operating SSTV on 14.233.  A SSB signal appeared and it was distorted and WIDE 12KC wide at least.  I finally found the frequency of the offender.  I asked  "OM, do you know just exactly how wide and distorted your signal is?"  Yeah, I know it's wide, But, This rig was built in the 1950's and I have NO intentions of spending the money to fix it or invest the time required to fix. 'Don't like it that's just too Bad "Buzz off."
  You think that's bad?  I was in LA on the W6NUT repeater, and I told a ham that his audio was a little distorted.  He told me to fork off, and began playing music for the next half hour!!!
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AA4BQ
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« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2014, 02:45:16 PM »

Welcome to planet Earth!  Let me expand on your accurate observations a bit.

Have you noticed that this is the norm for damn near everything that goes on in the country these days?  I call this the "NOW" generation or in some cases the "ME" generation.

However, it's not really a "generation" but simply the attitude of many these days, from newbies to the old farts that hang out on 80m.  They seem to have the same attitude of an old troll that lived in NY.  He always berated "Lids, kids and K8s." 

No doubt I have a negative attitude about the future of ham radio but I sincerely feel that one day we will indeed be the same as 11 meters.  It just won't happen as fast.



I disagree. I do agree 100% with the growing poor practices. I disagree that it's the "generation". In fact, it is the middle generation that got so "politically correct" that everyone gets a trophy. The poor practices began back in the early 80's after the relaxation of testing and CW began to yield a newbie unlike anything prior. No more was there a bonofide "NOVICE BAND" where people congregated and developed both code AND operating practices. Everyone knew the correct protocols after spending just a couple months on the NOVICE bands. Old-timers would often venture into the band and "Elmer" us. Now, I see aspiring CW guys having to actually ASK "where are all the slow CW guys".  REALLY?

The second, if not more damaging to protocol, is contesting mentalities. Have you ever seen anything like the 100's of thousands of dollars some people spend on towers, amps, and mega-expensive yagi's?  I heard one the other day calling CQ. It was a VO2 station. Not "CQ DX" mind you, just "CQ".  When I answered his CQ, I got:  "AA4BQ 559. BK"      Now, what in the heck is going on in this guy's mind?  Is he just running up some kind of counter?  Does that impress someone?  I just don't get it.  No name, no hello - good afternoon, name or QTH.  Some don't even bother giving you a real RST. It's "5NN BK".  And, this was on a Monday afternoon and no contests going on. He just kept calling CQ and spending 5 seconds and then adios.  Variations of this experience are numerous.

So, between contesting and the dissolution of any real code or electronics learning, we get guys that have an Extra Class license and don't know one end of a diode from another (except in the testing guide.) I have read some's QRZ.com bio and they actually bragged about their CB days.


So, I agree with you 100%, as the wave of old timers transition to SKeys, the state of the hobby as described with steadily decline.

NOTHING WORTH HAVING EVER COMES EASY. THINGS THAT COME FREE ARE WORTH WHAT FREE COSTS.

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KM4AH
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« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2014, 02:53:35 PM »

Well, one end of the diode has a stripe. It is really frustrating since out of any give pack about half of them are on the wrong end.
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WA2ISE
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« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2014, 04:26:20 PM »


 No more was there a bonofide "NOVICE BAND" where people congregated and developed both code AND operating practices. Everyone knew the correct protocols after spending just a couple months on the NOVICE bands. Old-timers would often venture into the band and "Elmer" us. Now, I see aspiring CW guys having to actually ASK "where are all the slow CW guys".  REALLY?


I've always thought that the ARRL would have created a band plan designating the old novice bands (or some of them) as CW training territory for CW newbies.  No need to use homebrew tube rigs and a handful of crystals or 75 watt limits, though. 
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KM4AH
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« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2014, 06:36:17 PM »

I think hams should be tested on smoke signals and banging on drums.
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