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Author Topic: Finally heard a Flex 6700 on the air today  (Read 32430 times)
K9IUQ
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« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2013, 04:22:02 AM »

But being able to see the DX listening habits in the CW pileup has been critical to breaking the pileup.  I can't imagine doing it any other way.

I thought the same thing when I get rid of my Flex 5K. However hams adapt. I have NO problem, breaking any pileup I want to. A lot of this is legal limit power, good antennas and a hilltop location. However my biggest advantage is my skill as a long time ham.

I only have a TS-590s at the present moment. No Dual watch, just one RX. I have however learned how to use the TF-Set control and I have never felt handicapped by not having a panadapter.

In the 2 years since I left the Flexradio 5K I have gained about 30 new countries. I do not attribute any of them to my radio.

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WD4ELG
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« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2013, 10:47:54 AM »

Stan, that is an excellent point.  I won't claim to be an expert operatir, but I do have 36 years of hamming that has taught me a lot of tricks...and I was breaking pileups before I purchaed the Flex.  And I did add an amplifier and a 5 band hex to the mix back in 2010.

So I was considering getting another radio, as I have sold some surplus gear. I still have the Flex 3000.  I cannot afford the 6000 series.  I am considering getting a used Flex 5000 with the second receiver, but every time I start really thinking about it....I go back and review some of your posts and wonder if I am asking for more trouble with getting a rig that is discontinued (makes me wonder about the software development in the future). 

So I started looking at the Apache labs, and I see that the line is still in the embryonic stage from what I can gather.

Then I started looking at the TenTec and Elecraft radios, and it just about prices me out of the market.  I come to the conclusion that a second receiver would be nice, but not worth the price (and I am not hamming 24x7 now, so I question the investment).

So I go back to the Japanes rigs with single receivers.  I have the 480SAT and the 570, and I know the 590 is stellar.  But I am looking for something different.  So I start looking at the IC7100 which is impressive.  But I am not sure about it.

And I come right back to square 1. I want to get a radio that is a different experience than what I have now.
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K9IUQ
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« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2013, 11:45:37 AM »

I do have 36 years of hamming that has taught me a lot of tricks...and I was breaking pileups before I purchaed the Flex.  

So I started looking at the Apache labs, and I see that the line is still in the embryonic stage from what I can gather.

  I have the 480SAT and the 570, and I know the 590 is stellar.  But I am looking for something different.  So I start looking at the IC7100 which is impressive.  But I am not sure about it.

And I come right back to square 1. I want to get a radio that is a different experience than what I have now.

Dang, Mark, it is almost like you are reading my mind. I too am looking for a different experience. I have similar concerns as you. I have considered the Anan, however I have had a couple of Anan owners tell me the CW performance is not much better than the Flex 5K.

I want a radio that is better than what I now own. I compared the TS-590s to my Flex 5K and not once did the Flexradio outperform the Kenwood. I love Icoms and have had many them - a 751A, ProII, Pro III, 746pro,706,706MKIIG and a 7000 which I still own. I love the Icom way. I am considering a Icom-7600. This is the Radio I was going to buy before I got Flexradio 5K Fever.  Wink But the 7600 is getting long in the tooth and if I do buy one I can almost guarantee that Icom updates the model to a 7600MKIIG the next Hamvention.  Cheesy

The Yaesu 3000 and looks interesting but I really would like 2RX or Dual Watch. Also I am not convinced the 3000 would perform as well as my TS-590s. The Yaesu 5000 was on my wish list but the OLED debacle with them really turns me off. The Elecraft K-3 is an excellent performer, however I do not believe I have the correct mindset to become a K-3 owner.  What to to do? What to to do?

If you have SDR fever and want something new wait a few days. Another Mark who frequents this Forum is starting a New SDR website devoted to honesty and truth about all SDR's. This website has some very interesting information and I believe will become a real asset to all SDRers..

UPDATE UPDATE. I am no longer sworn to secrecy, here is the link, check it out..
https://sdrzone.com/

Stan K9IUQ
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WD4ELG
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« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2013, 01:37:45 PM »

Thanks for that link, Stan!

Please explain the Elecraft mindset.  I think I heard about this before, it's almost like a religious devotion without question to the company and the technology that allows no criticism?  (sounds familiar, hee hee).
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KA2FIR
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« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2013, 09:41:04 PM »

Reminds me of trolls.
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K6AQ
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« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2013, 10:42:43 PM »

UPDATE UPDATE. I am no longer sworn to secrecy, here is the link, check it out..
https://sdrzone.com/

Nice site! I thought that the site was broken when I didn't see any article come up after clicking on it, though. Maybe move the tiles to the bottom of the page?
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« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2013, 06:58:12 AM »

Here's a list of also discontinued radios. They are all junk. Don't even consider owning even one of them..

Alinco DR-M03/M06 10M/6M Transceivers
DX-70TH 160-6M Transceiver
DX-77T 160-10M Transceiver
Collins 32S-1, 32S-3  80-10 Transmitters
KWM-1 20-10 Transceiver
KWM-2/2A 80-10 Transceiver
KWM-380 160-10 Transceiver
Drake T-4X, T-4XB, T-4XC 80-10m Transmitters
TR-3 160-10M Transceiver
TR-4, TR-4C, TR-4Cw  160-10 Transceiver
TR-5 160-10M Transceiver
TR-6 6M Transceiver
TR-7 160-10M Transceiver
Icom IC-701 160-10M Transceiver
IC-703/703+ 160-10M/160-6M Transceivers
IC-706, IC-706 MkII, IC-706 MkIIG 160-2M/160-440 Transceivers
IC-720, IC-720A 160-10M Transceiver
IC-725, IC-726 160-10M/160-6M Transceivers
IC-728, IC-729 160-10M/160-6M Transceivers
IC-730 80-10M Transceiver
IC-735 160-10M Transceiver
IC-736 160-6M Transceiver
IC-737, IC-737A 160-10M Transceiver
IC-738 160-10M Transceiver
IC-740 160-10M Transceiver
IC-745 160-10M Transceiver
IC-746, IC-746 Pro 160-2M Transceiver
IC-751, IC-751A 160-10M Transceivers
IC-756, IC-756 Pro, IC-756 ProII, IC-756 ProIII 160-6M Transceivers
IC-761 160M-10M Transceiver 
IC-765 160M-10M Transceiver 
IC-775/775DSP 160-10M Transceivers
IC-781 160-10M Transceiver
Japan Radio Co. JST-  10 40/15M Transceiver
JST-100 160-10M Transceiver
JST-135 160-10M Transceiver
JST-145/245 160-10/160-6M Transceiver
NSD-505, NSD-515 160-10M Transmitters
Kenwood TS-  50S 160-10M Transceiver
TS-120S 80-10M Transceiver
TS-130S, TS-130SE/130V 80-10M Transceivers
TS-140S, TS-680S 160-10M/160-6M Transceivers
TS-180S 160-10M Transceiver
TS-430S 160-10M Transceiver
TS-440S 160-10M Transceiver
TS-450S, TS-690S 160-10M/160-6M Transceivers
TS-520 80-10M Transceiver
TS-520S 160-10M Transceiver
TS-530S, TS-530SP 160-10M Transceiver
TS-570DG/TS-570SG 160-10/160-6M Transceiver
TS-660 15/12/10/6M Transceiver
TS-670 40/15/10/6M Transceiver
TS-820, TS-820S 160-10M Transceiver
TS-830S 160-10M Transceiver
TS-850S 160-10M Transceiver
TS-870S 160-10M Transceiver
TS-930S 160-10M Transceiver
TS-940S 160-10M Transceiver
TS-950S, TS-950SDX 160-10M Transceivers
SGC SG-2020, SG-2020ADSP, SG-2020ADSP2 160-10M Transceivers
Yaesu FL-101 160M-10M Transmitter
FT-    7 80M-10M Transceiver
FT-  77 80M-10M Transceiver
FT-100, FT-100D  160M-70CM Transceiver
FT-101B, FT-101E/EE/EX 160M-10M Transceivers
FT-101Z, FT-101ZD 160M-10M Transceiver
FT-102 160M-10M Transceiver
FT-107M 160M-10M Transceiver
FT-301/301D 160M-10M Transceiver
FT-450 160M-  6M Transceiver 
FT-600 160M-10M Transceiver
FT-650 12/10/6M Transceiver
FT-707 80M-10M Transceiver
FT-747GX 160M-10M Transceiver
FT-757GX, FT-757GXII  160M-10M Transceivers
FT-767GX 160M-10M + Transceiver
FT-817 160M-70CM Transceiver
FT-840 160M-10M Transceiver
FT-847 160M-70CM Transceiver
FT-857 160M-70CM Transceiver
FT-897 160M-70CM Transceiver
FT-890 160M-10M Transceiver
FT-901DM, FT-902DM 160-10M Transceiver
FT-900 160M-10M Transceiver
FT-920 160M-6M Transceiver
FT-950 160-6M Transceiver 
FT-980 160M-10M Transceiver
FT-990 160M-10M Transceiver
FT-1000D 160M-10M Transceiver
FT-1000MP 160M-10M Transceiver
FT-1000MP Mark V, FT-1000MP Mark V Field 160M-10M Transceivers
FT-2000/FT2000D 160M-  6M Transceiver 
FT-ONE 160M-10M Transceiver
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« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2013, 07:18:57 AM »

LOL

So I have zero chance of reselling my TS520S and TS570D?  Drat.  I should have known those would be bad purchases.
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« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2013, 07:39:28 AM »

Sorry to have been the bearer of bad news. If your radio isn't brand new or in current production, it is a boat anchor, unworthy of having electricity applied, cast out of the fold. TV Repair shop parts. (wait...do those still exist?)
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« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2013, 10:25:29 AM »

Maybe I can set up some Rube Goldberg contraption with the TS570D hanging over the door with a rope to the door handle at night.  If someone tries to break in, the radio comes crashing down on the intruder.  Hopefully I will be protected by some sort of "home is the castle" law or something like that, otherwise the burglar can sue me.
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« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2013, 01:33:13 PM »

That's probably a good use for the radio, since it's apparently not only out of production, probably has 12v finals, so it's just a matter of time before someone gets killed using it.

Better to just take a hammer to it now before it's too late.
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WD4ELG
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« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2013, 02:34:14 PM »

I TOTALLY forgot about the 12V finals.  Now I am afraid to touch the 570 because there could be some lingering 12V charge on one of the internal capacitors that may have shorted to ground on the chasis.  We all do know how that happens after a period of time, right? 

If the hammer I use to destrou it has a wooden handle, am I still safe?  Why aren't these questions in the FCC testing pool these days? 

Aw, the heck with it...I will put on some oven mitts and put it in the closet on top of my 520S (also afraid to touch that one cuz I don't have a ground wire attached to it).

ROFLOL!

Ted, thanks for putting a smile on my face with this thread.  I needed it.  Grin
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« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2013, 03:43:25 PM »

Next weekend, I've planned a sort of radio field day/hunting/fishing trip. I figure I'll pack up some gear, including my now over two year old and long in the tooth FT-857D with it's unusable receiver noise, drill a 1/2" hole through the chassis, run an eyebolt through, attach a steel cable to it and then attach that to a baseball bat,  and use it as a combination flail/throwing stick thing to kill wild pigs and unsuspecting bass, being as it's now worthless, and all..
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« Reply #43 on: September 05, 2013, 04:52:25 AM »

I do not want to plunge into the growing debate of SDR (Flex) vs standard SDR (Knob-Radios) like K3 and others. But I think everyone should leave out the cost of a radio. I know there are several radios that are the old type knob radios that cost $5000 TO OVER $10,000. It is not the cost that matters if you can afford the price, it is what you get out of the radio. I use to own a Flex 5000 and loved it, up until the K3 came out I have owned almost every other High end radio there was and I thought the Flex 5000 for me was the best radio I have ever owned. I currently own a Icom 738 and think it was one of the best radios of it's time and enjoy using it now here in Kuwait. Don't forget that all your latest top of the line radios on the market are just like the new Flex 6000 series radios. They have mechanical hard wired type of filtering, rely heavely on various DSP chips  for the rest and have a method of controlling the radios functions. In the case of the Flex 5000, this relied on the computer you had running it. On the Flex 6000, it is in the box, the computer is a method of controlling it. Kenwood persons swear that they are the best, just like Icom, Yaesu, Ten Tec, etc.  If you have not gven a Flex actual time on the air trying it for yourself on for any radio then don't knock it or any other radio until you really try it for yourself. If I buy the new Flex 6000 series radio some day, it will be the less expensive model because I do not care to see 8 different bands at one time or any of the other features that makes the higher price model cost what it does. I do know that out of all the radios I ever owned and operated, I was able to hear more stations in real time than I could with my other radios i compared it to. And when there was close strong stations, I was better able to block them out to still copy who I wanted to talk to, this is my history with the radio. First and formost, spend extra money on a good antenna system, grounding, and coax. Then if you have the money, and want to spend whatever is your budget, TRY OUT THE RADIO and compare it. Don't take Sherwood's data or others advice, get what you think is the best for the money you like. How many people buy a $30,000 car without test driving it. I like the new VW now.
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« Reply #44 on: September 05, 2013, 04:56:10 AM »

But I think everyone should leave out the cost of a radio.

I agree 100%. The problem is I can not get my wife to agree.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Stan K9IUQ
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