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Author Topic: Operating in Europe  (Read 4494 times)
KC2TRX
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« on: March 31, 2014, 10:23:16 AM »


  The rules for American hams operating in Europe are very confusing.  I'll be living in Italy for most of next year, and would like to use my HT on VHF/UHF while there.  I was recently told by a fellow ham that to operate at all in Europe, within CERT regulations, I need to have an Extra license.  I'm a General.  Another ham said, that an American General class license holder can operate on European VHF/UHF bands, but not on HF.
  Does anyone have the definitive information on these questions?

  Thanks, Dan/KC2TRX.
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WA4HBK
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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2014, 02:13:42 PM »

CEPT now only recognizes two classes of licenses, those with full operating privileges and those with limited privileges. Full according to CEPT would be an Amateur Extra class license, limited would be the technician and Novice license. So as a General you would have the privileges of a Novice class in Italy which will give you Region 1 VHF/UHF privileges.
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K1OC
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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2014, 08:55:18 PM »


It is confusing, but the ARRL has a decent explanation here: http://www.arrl.org/cept-information

There are basically two CEPT schemes, CEPT Recommendation T/R 61-01 for Extras and Advanceds, and ECC Recommendation (05)06 for Generals. Unfortunately, it doesn't look to me like Italy participates in the ECC Recommendation for Generals. The other issue with the Recommendations is that they are intended for short-term, "portable" or mobile operating. Switzerland, for example, has a 90-day limit.

On the other hand, it appears Italy has a reciprocal operating agreement with the US, so you may be able to obtain a temporary (90 days at a time) Italian license on the strength of your US license. See here: http://www.arrl.org/select-countries-i-n (scroll down the page to Italy).  The information on the ARRL site is a little dated, so if you speak Italian or know someone who does, I bet the ARI website has more current information, http://www.ari.it.  I suspect your privileges will be limited as a General, though, so this might be a good excuse to upgrade.

Good luck. I hope it works out. It's a lot of fun to operate from another country.

73 de Tony K1OC




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KC2TRX
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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2014, 08:31:49 AM »


  Thanks for the responses; a bit of a quagmire!  I'm hoping that with my general license, and the appropriate CEPT document, I can operate at least in the VHF/UHF frequencies, on Italian repeaters.  A bit of a puzzle as to why things are made so difficult for us to operate in Europe.  Aren't we an international community?
 
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K7KBN
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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2014, 08:51:37 PM »

If the General test of today were as technically challenging as the 1960-70 General test in terms of electronics theory, antenna theory and such, CEPT would probably have no problems with allowing Generals full privileges.  Today's General test, however, assumes (and probably rightly so) that the individual taking the test has no significant training in math and physics and would complain that the test was "too hard", and that he just wanted to "talk on the radio".

Amateur Radio IS an international community.  The rest of the world (CEPT), however, wants to adhere to a higher standard than our FCC.
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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2014, 09:12:18 PM »


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I'm hoping that with my general license, and the appropriate CEPT document, I can operate at least in the VHF/UHF frequencies, on Italian repeaters.

Unfortunately, I don't think Italy has adopted ECC Recommendation (05)06, which is the one applicable to U.S. General class amateurs. 

Here is the most recent version I have been able to find. http://www.erodocdb.dk/Docs/doc98/official/pdf/REC0506.PDF. It was amended in October 2011 (to add Montenegro, I believe). Italy is not listed.

This page http://www.erodocdb.dk/doks/implement_doc_adm.aspx?docid=2136 shows the status of the Recommendation. It says, "No info," next to Italy.

Your best bet is going to be to contact ARI and see what they say. Here's their contact info. http://www.ari.it/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=631&Itemid=13&lang=en. I'm sure you can write to them in English. I contacted the Swiss amateur radio society (in English) before a six-week trip to Switzerland, and they were very helpful. I even got to operate the Swiss equivalent of W1AW!

Good luck and 73 de Tony K1OC (and at one time HB9/KB1SUN)

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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2014, 03:50:24 AM »

Aren't we an international community?

According to Vladimir Putin it is! He was recently heard saying, "What's mine in mine. What's yours is negotiable!"
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WA2VUY
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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2014, 08:44:28 AM »

Italian hams are most welcoming, you should try to hook-up with the local club. I hope your Italian is good  Smiley   And, more importantly your visa (required for stays longer than 3 months).

Here is a list of the ARI sections, and the clubs within, and contact information:
http://www.ari.it/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=31&Itemid=212&lang=it
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