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Author Topic: Selling illegal amplifiers  (Read 15075 times)
AA4EZ
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« on: May 07, 2014, 09:53:40 PM »

What is eHam.net's policy on members posting for sale illegal CB type non-certified amplifiers in your classified ads?  I sent an email about this to the classified ad manager a couple of times but I guess he has been out fishing and hasn't had time to respond.  Of course it has been about a year since I ask him the first time.  I know that QTH has a warning posted on their classified ads that illegal amplifiers are not allowed as per FCC rules and regs.  I routinely see the Italian RM amplifiers and others listed by hams on your site and none of their amplifiers are type certified by the FCC.  We can hardly complain about dirty signals when our own sites are allowing this type amp for sell.  Ebay is bad enough without eHam also allowing their sell.  73, Ray AK4RL
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NA6M
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2014, 06:17:37 AM »

Commercially manufactured non type accepted amplifiers are generally not allowed. You are probably aware that the FCC does allow amateurs to build their own amplifiers and do not require type acceptance provided that no more than one per calendar year is constructed. These amplifiers can be sold to another amateur.
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K9HY
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2017, 10:56:41 AM »



I know this was a Forum question from awhile back date wise. Just noticed by a search inquiry was how I noticed it.

But here is what cracks me up these days with the FCC- SED being sadly reduced with and increasing U.S population ...you know less Govt. ,less taxes and all that...
but yet everybody gripes about no enforcement. Disclaimers alone are a unbelievable joke... Hey1 Maybe my Doctor or my kids science teacher needs these for experiments Huh  Hi! Hi ! Hi !














examples>


http://www.copper.com/cart/Texas-Star-DX-350HDV-Mobile



http://www.xforceamps.com/competition.html

http://www.xforceamps.com/item/Straight-48Pill---Xtreme-Duty---Base---48KW-B-425

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ONAIR
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2017, 03:10:39 PM »



I know this was a Forum question from awhile back date wise. Just noticed by a search inquiry was how I noticed it.

But here is what cracks me up these days with the FCC- SED being sadly reduced with and increasing U.S population ...you know less Govt. ,less taxes and all that...
but yet everybody gripes about no enforcement. Disclaimers alone are a unbelievable joke... Hey1 Maybe my Doctor or my kids science teacher needs these for experiments Huh  Hi! Hi ! Hi !














examples>


http://www.copper.com/cart/Texas-Star-DX-350HDV-Mobile



http://www.xforceamps.com/competition.html

http://www.xforceamps.com/item/Straight-48Pill---Xtreme-Duty---Base---48KW-B-425


   Today you can find those amps all over the internet.  There is even a website where they will custom build them for whatever power your little heart desires!!   http://www.DaveMade.mobi/
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KD0REQ
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2017, 07:34:05 PM »

not to mention all the old Heathkits, Drakes, Henrys, etc. that are still out there without modern type certification.... however, they're pretty much all tubes, and tubes don't have even-order spurs unless you turn them into sprayguns with bad bias, overdriving, etc. as long as you tune them so they radiate on the primary frequency, the odd-order out of band stuff will be down nicely.
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KM1H
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2017, 05:20:44 PM »

It is NOT illegal for a ham to BUY them.

If real cheap they could be good for homebrew parts or modified into a real ham amp.

Carl
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W8JX
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2017, 08:05:12 AM »

It is NOT illegal for a ham to BUY them.

If real cheap they could be good for homebrew parts or modified into a real ham amp.

Carl



The real big problem here is that when rules were set down decades ago Ham had a much higher degree of competence and technical ability and it was assumed that they could build, maintain and use equipment properly but today's mail order ham tickets have prevent much removed that skill set for operators and it time to change rules to reflect that.  (not that its going to ever happen)
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K2OWK
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2017, 04:48:47 PM »

Most Italian RM amps. are now FCC certified.

73s

K2OWK
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KD8IIC
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2017, 08:42:56 PM »

U R urinating into headwind OM.
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ND6M
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2017, 07:12:26 AM »

Most Italian RM amps. are now FCC certified.

73s

K2OWK

ERR,............. no they are not.

Yeah, I have read their advertisements, but, the info on them is just hype.

look up the ACTUAL FCC cert number and read what it REALLY says.

from the FCC site:

TCBGRANT OF EQUIPMENT
AUTHORIZATIONTCB
Certification
Issued Under the Authority of the
Federal Communications Commission
By:

MET Laboratories, Inc.
914 W. Patapsco Avenue
Baltimore, MD 21230-3432Date of Grant: 10/08/2014

Application Dated: 10/08/2014
RM COSTRUZIONI ELETTRONICHE Snc di Marchioni Davide e Daniele
Via IV Novembre 42
Ponte della Venturina, BOLOGNA, 40045
Italy

Attention: Davide Marchioni , Manager Director

NOT TRANSFERABLE
EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION is hereby issued to the named GRANTEE, and is VALID ONLY for the equipment identified hereon for use under the Commission's Rules and Regulations listed below.

FCC IDENTIFIER: 2ACTRKL7405V

Name of Grantee: RM COSTRUZIONI ELETTRONICHE Snc di Marchioni Davide e Daniele

Equipment Class:Amplifier
Notes:HF power amplifier
Grant Notes FCC Rule PartsFrequency
Range (MHZ)Output
WattsFrequency
ToleranceEmission
Designator
9728.0 - 30.0125.9 Amp F3E

Power listed is conducted. Emissions per 97.305 Amateur Service only



NOTICE THE F3E EMISSION DESIGNATOR

the FCC site "approval" is simply an acknowledgement that that LAB that submitted the paperwork did so correctly, and the FCC is accepting their information as correct..........

it does NOT mean FCC CERTIFICATION has been issued
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W9IQ
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2017, 08:37:38 AM »

RM Italy is an FCC grantee and they do have three FCC certifications for amateur radio linear amplifiers. Two are for 10 meter amps and one is for the HLA-305 80-10 meter amp. All were issued by the FCC in 2014. The certification numbers are 2ACTRKL7505V, 2ACTRKL7405V, and 2ACTRHLA305V .

If they have been issued FCC identifiers, they are FCC certified.

- Glenn W9IQ
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KD0REQ
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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2017, 11:50:58 AM »

certified for what mode of emission? makes a difference.  FM is just a carrier shift, there is no power slope.  SSB is just half a carrier, and it slopes all over the scope. if the amp is not linear, it's going to distort the signal.  this is not good, unless you're playing guitar in a death metal band.
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W9IQ
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2017, 12:04:13 PM »

They are certified for all the classes and bands of which the amplifier is capable. A manufacturer cannot "pick and choose" what features they certify if that is your question/implication.

Also consider that dealers are liable for selling non-certified amplifiers. When you see quality companies like DX Engineering selling these amps, you can be sure they have done their homework with regard to the appropriate certifications.

- Glenn W9IQ
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NN2X
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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2017, 05:42:55 AM »

I saw the CB large Amplifiers, (Illegal) ...They have the power!...only one band, (11 meters) though.. I saw on you tube, 10 Kilo Watt Amplifier....I also saw a 50 Kilo watt Amplifier but can't find it...

Here is 10K AMP..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYfhckRikfQ


Best

Tom Wright

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W4KYR
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2017, 08:19:33 AM »

I saw the CB large Amplifiers, (Illegal) ...They have the power!...only one band, (11 meters) though.. I saw on you tube, 10 Kilo Watt Amplifier....I also saw a 50 Kilo watt Amplifier but can't find it...

Here is 10K AMP..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYfhckRikfQ


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Tom Wright

NN2X

I assume those 10 Kilowatt, eleven meter amps have to account for the local like reception in Australia from the Southern U.S in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z--DBZPFa90
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