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Title: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: KU4UV on October 28, 2017, 08:20:52 AM
ABC news had a story last night about the two women lost at sea for 5 months.  Similar to the Robert Redford film that came out a few years ago about the man that was lost at sea.  I'm wondering, did they have the required emergency gear on board, such as flares, epirb, VHF/HF comms, etc?  Five months at sea without ever seeing another boat or plane seems like a long time.

73,
KU4UV


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: KC4ZGP on October 28, 2017, 08:58:46 AM

Those two old crows were probably lost for about five minutes.

Women and boats don't mix.

Kraus


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: W1VT on October 28, 2017, 09:26:10 AM
In general, U.S. commercial fishing vessels, uninspected passenger vessels that carry six or more people and uninspected commercial vessels are the only vessels legally required to carry an EPIRB. Regardless of the requirements, if you operate a vessel, an emergency beacon could be just as instrumental as wearing a life jacket in saving your life

Their phone washed overboard and they were never within VHF radio range of help according to various stories I read.  


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: N8AUC on October 28, 2017, 09:43:23 AM

Those two old crows were probably lost for about five minutes.

Women and boats don't mix.

Kraus
Kraus,
You game me a good laugh today with this one!

Thanks!
73 de N8AUC
Eric


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: AC7CW on October 28, 2017, 10:55:28 AM
They took a year's worth of food. What's up with that?


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: W1JKA on October 28, 2017, 12:32:46 PM
They took a year's worth of food. What's up with that?

In case they got lost for 5 months or more (up to a year).


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: K6CPO on October 28, 2017, 12:39:49 PM

Those two old crows were probably lost for about five minutes.

Women and boats don't mix.

Kraus

That's a pretty shitty attitude...


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: KG7LEA on October 28, 2017, 01:12:09 PM
We won't get answers until they reach a port. Getting lost is incomprehensible if they pretended to be mariners.


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: W1VT on October 28, 2017, 02:27:13 PM
Sounds like the usual string of bad events--unseasonably bad weather, losing the engine, and then suffering mechanical damage to the sail.  They would have been OK had just two occured, but the combination of all three set them adrift.  

As for sailing without a $400 EPIRB, pre-historic people sailed the Pacific and populated the habitable islands. It could also be that the batteries of the EPIRB ran down when they lost the engine, but this is just wild speculation.


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: KD4LLA on October 28, 2017, 03:37:25 PM
I read at least three different articles about these female mariners.  One of the articles said in addition to a cellphone (that was lost early on) they had a VHF radio, a ham radio, shortwave receiver, and Sat phone.  (their names are known, wonder if either of them has a ham license?)
 
Of course the VHF radio would only work line-of-sight, so someone would have to be near them.  Seemed there was also an issue w/ their (ham?) antenna setup.  It's quite possible they lost the ability to recharge the Sat phone battery...

I read that the one gal was handy at fixing (mechanical) things, maybe repairing the electronics was not possible.

My thinking is they had a years worth of food, so why not keep sailing.


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: W6EM on October 28, 2017, 05:26:07 PM
In general, U.S. commercial fishing vessels, uninspected passenger vessels that carry six or more people and uninspected commercial vessels are the only vessels legally required to carry an EPIRB. Regardless of the requirements, if you operate a vessel, an emergency beacon could be just as instrumental as wearing a life jacket in saving your life

Their phone washed overboard and they were never within VHF radio range of help according to various stories I read.  
Here's the Navy's official version. http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=103056

Perhaps this was some sort of mutual ending with a change of heart as apparently no one reported them missing.  EPIRBs are all over West Marine's displays, so no excuse for not having one.  And EPIRB batteries last a long, long time when not in use.  Only a VHF marine radio?  At least they had a small RO pump to make fresh water with.  A year's worth of rice, pasta and oatmeal?  That wouldn't be good enough for two dogs, let alone human consumption.  I guess they had enough fuel to boil water with.  Nutso.  The woman in the photo sure doesn't look famished to me..... Like she'd been eating only rice and pasta for 5 months.



 


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: NN4RH on October 29, 2017, 09:42:33 AM
Quote
. . . That wouldn't be good enough for two dogs, let alone human consumption.  . . .   The woman in the photo sure doesn't look famished to me..... Like she'd been eating only rice and pasta for 5 months.

Hmm ... how many dogs did they start out with ?

[Yeah, I know. That's in very poor taste ...]


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: KC4ZGP on October 29, 2017, 12:02:31 PM

If one is hungry enough, dog can taste good.


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: W1VT on October 29, 2017, 12:21:49 PM
EPIRBs automatically turn on when wet.  But, the 406 MHz may be blocked by the hull, so the batteries can run down without the signal being heard.


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: N9AOP on October 29, 2017, 04:34:00 PM
Just wait until someone in Hollywood buys the rights to this story.  Those ladies will be set for life and they will be able to afford a better boat.
Art


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: ONAIR on October 29, 2017, 08:37:31 PM
Even if they had no license, they needed HF!  Someone would have heard their emergency call, and being an emergency there would have been no penalty.


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: W8RXL on October 30, 2017, 04:31:32 AM
I am glad they got rescued but I get that the reason they were drifting was because thier engine failed however I wonder if they realized that they were in a

s a i l    b o a t


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: KD4LLA on October 30, 2017, 10:59:33 AM
From apnews dot com:

"They also had a new VHF radio, a ham radio, a weather satellite and a radio telephone. She says none worked, and they apparently had a communications failure with their new antenna."

Wonder if either one of them had a ham license?


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: KC4ZGP on October 30, 2017, 11:20:33 AM

You said the key word, story.

Now Sully who landed that plane in the water is a real hero...NOT!!!

Gawd!

Kraus


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: K1ZJH on October 30, 2017, 04:53:05 PM
From apnews dot com:

"They also had a new VHF radio, a ham radio, a weather satellite and a radio telephone. She says none worked, and they apparently had a communications failure with their new antenna."

Wonder if either one of them had a ham license?

Wonder if they even knew how to open the boxes that equipment came in...


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: N5BCN on October 31, 2017, 09:41:25 AM
This story is getting fishier and fishier.......

73 Brian N5BCN


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: KC4ZGP on October 31, 2017, 10:04:17 AM

I read they didn't activate their emergency beacon because they felt they weren't in any imminent danger.

Lost at sea equals danger.

Is that a big ten-four???

Kraus


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: K6AER on October 31, 2017, 09:03:31 PM
The story does not add up. No gray stripe on the hair after 5 months at sea.. Did they color their hair at sea? Why could they not steer the boat. If they put up the Jenny and they would have made Seattle in 3 months. Any aircraft would pick up a ELT. They had an EPIRB and didn't use it. I hope they aren't registered to vote.


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: N9AOP on November 01, 2017, 10:39:58 AM
Darn, if this story is a phony, there go the movie rights.
Art


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: ONAIR on November 01, 2017, 07:57:12 PM
I am glad they got rescued but I get that the reason they were drifting was because thier engine failed however I wonder if they realized that they were in a

s a i l    b o a t
    Maybe they didn't know how to sail?   ::)


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: N6YFM on November 01, 2017, 08:59:06 PM
The story does not add up. No gray stripe on the hair after 5 months at sea.. Did they color their hair at sea? Why could they not steer the boat. If they put up the Jenny and they would have made Seattle in 3 months. Any aircraft would pick up a ELT. They had an EPIRB and didn't use it. I hope they aren't registered to vote.

Precisely.  In fact, over the last several days, increasing news stories indicate that the "supposed big storm" that killed their engine
never occurred.  The weather service staff had no record of any storm weather of significance several days prior to, and after, their
"reported" storm story.  Also, like you mentioned,  they were questioned about why they did not activate the ELT beacon.
In the same 3 minute discussion, they said they did not feel in danger and did not want to divert emergency resources, but
then quickly went back to the "we were about to die" story.

If you ask me, they don't need a reporter questioning them, they need a psychologist.   Half a dozen facts in the their story
simply do not hold up to any level of fact-checking.




Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: K3LI on November 02, 2017, 06:35:37 PM
The story is complete and total BS.  They were too healthy. Not completely burned up by the sun.  The dogs were in perfect condition. 

Please, has anyone ever heard of every single piece of comm gear not work at the same time.  Cell phone overboard, VHF did not work when they had the chance. ( they claimed to have contacted someone but they would not come help?)   Ham radio ant fell off, Sat phone dead.  Why not just  turn on the EPIRB?   Complete BS.  Do the research on the story and you will see.


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: W1JKA on November 03, 2017, 09:03:14 AM
Gotta admit it was a neat free publicity stunt for the LGBT movement and how well their two dogs Butch and Dyck were trained respond to the verbal commands to keep quiet and keep their coats cleaned so the sharks wouldn't hear or smell them.


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: N5BCN on November 03, 2017, 03:28:11 PM
Half a dozen facts in the their story simply do not hold up to any level of fact-checking.

Interesting that anyone with common sense could see through this story in about half a minute.  Took the main stream media a lot longer than that to figure it out.

73 Brian N5BCN


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: W0AEW on November 03, 2017, 04:21:19 PM
This story is getting fishier and fishier.......

73 Brian N5BCN

...and ABC took the bait?


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: W1JKA on November 04, 2017, 03:10:50 AM
I'll repeat what I posted on another site the day it made the news. Photo of their rescued boat tells all, hull not breached (riding high) with only slight starboard list from un pumped bilge, mainmast still standing with furled sail on attached boom, whisker pole still secured says they had no idea how to jury rig a get home sail,  wire backstay and other wire mast stays still standing means they had no idea how to rig an emergency radio antenna, probably not even a basic NOAA current chart on board or no knowledge of how to make a drift log from life jacket and piece of cloth so with a pencil and wrist watch could make DR position plots from set and drift rate with or without a jury rigged sail. Both looked in fine physical condition and in hi spirits for such an ORDEAL. Obviously two Sunday sailors without a month's worth of Sundays experience between them.


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: KK6AUI on November 10, 2017, 08:07:38 AM
Ships within visual range, the vhf radio should have been able to contact them. Deliberately get lost in hopes of a book/movie deal later?


Title: RE: Ladies lost at sea for 5 months
Post by: WR3V on November 11, 2017, 07:38:41 AM
From apnews dot com:

"They also had a new VHF radio, a ham radio, a weather satellite and a radio telephone. She says none worked, and they apparently had a communications failure with their new antenna."

Wonder if either one of them had a ham license?

Wonder if they even knew how to open the boxes that equipment came in...

They obviously never watched the "How to open the box that my new radio came in" blogs for their gear.  See, I knew these blogs had some value.  Not.