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Title: QST Magazine
Post by: N5WDD on August 21, 2002, 07:08:20 PM
To those of you in the Ham community that are not members of the ARRL, but do read QST Magazine I learned
a disapointing piece of news today.

The ARRL has Stopped making QST available to News stands and Book Stores. I inquired to the Circulation
Department at the ARRL today as I had been unable to get my usual Newsstand copy for August and they replied stating that It was no longer fiscally viable to publish copies for the News Stand and Book Store
market.  They did offer to take my $39.00 for a subscription..

I have no complaints with the ARRL but I can only join so many orgizations to get their Mags.

I am Disapointed.


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: K0BG on August 22, 2002, 11:21:31 AM
I'm not surprised ARRL has changed their policy. ARRL has been making a lot of cuts lately, and recently decided to publish local news and other items only on the internet. These cost-cutting changes have a negative affect a some folks for the benefit of the masses. Good, bad, or indifferent, it takes a lot of hard decisioning to stay in business these days.

Alan, KØBG


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: KG4RUL on August 22, 2002, 02:47:38 PM
Distributing a special interest publication like QST through the 'Newsstand' route is almost always a losing proposition.  Most magazines sent to this type of outlet are on a consignment basis.  If 12 are sent and only 6 sell, they have to be taken back and the loss eats up all the profits and more.  I anc understand why they are doing this and I hav to gree with them.

Dennis - KG4RUL


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: WB2WIK on August 22, 2002, 03:28:10 PM
N5WDD, why buy your "usual Newsstand copy" of QST, when it's a whole lot cheaper just to join the ARRL and get the subscription included for $39 annually?  Purchased monthly, the newsstand copy of QST was $4.99 a month...or $59.88 a year.  For $20.88 per year less, it could be in your mailbox every month.

I agree with the League's decision to not distribute the magazine this way, and I'm surprised it took them so long to determine it was a losing proposition.

WB2WIK/6


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: N5WDD on August 23, 2002, 03:58:40 AM
I am not a member of the ARRL and do not suscribe because I have 6 publications that have to be renewed
each year. This with two or three Professional membership dues during the year leave little for Hobby type magazines. I know that it makes better sense to
suscribe but with all this its hard.

But with this move the ARRL will probably get my suscription at some point but I will miss two or three
months of the magazine.  Unfortunatly I have seen moves like this in other magazines prior to failing and that is what bothers me the most.


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: WB2WIK on August 23, 2002, 10:40:57 AM
Agreed it's a sad trend, but I really doubt that QST will "fail."  It's only the monthly publication of an organization having more than 100,000 members.  If they could post the entire magazine on line, and everyone had a fast internet connection, the League could save a great deal of money by not printing the magazine at all, and just letting members view it completely on-line.  There's already an ARRL "members only" section of the League's website, which contains many interesting items not available on the general website -- they'd only need to extend this service.  Probably already working on it.

With my T-1 connection, I can download the entire index of 22 years' worth of QST Product Reviews in less than one second.  As more and more people achieve fast connections, we'll all be able to do that.  The entire index of all QST's ever printed, which would take hours to read on paper, could be downloaded in 3 seconds.

I'll remain a League member forever, but will definitely miss the printed version of QST if that stops -- if for no other reason than nostalgia's sake.

WB2WIK/6


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: N2MG on August 23, 2002, 06:30:13 PM
Wow...it's so much more than just "subscribing" to QST - you are JOINING the national organization for ham radio in the United States.  As much as folks pick on them (and I do from time to time) they are really our one voice in Washington (and elsewhere).  If you want ham radio to exist in any form above CB, it's smart to support the league and become a member.  QST is just the one tangible membership benefit.

Like with shooting... I don't "subscribe" to the "American Rifleman"...I'm a member of the NRA.  The magazine is just a VERY small part of it.

It would sadden me if the ARRL has really made this decision but I'm sure it wasn't made arbitrarily.

Mike N2MG


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: N5XM on August 24, 2002, 11:02:14 AM
I'm sure this decision was made for good fiscal reasons, but it is kinda sad. You gotta believe non-Hams picked up a copy from time to time just to see what was inside, and I think a few copies ought to be available some way for the non-Ham public to peruse, whether it be in libraries or wherever.  I enjoy QST, although it is frustrating to see the same old ads in the same tired places every month. I certainly don't espouse everyting the League stands for, but that's OK. In my opinion, the ARRL needs people like me who do not toe the party line on everything. I think dissention is good in big organizations, to keep people from getting too set in their ways. Fresh ideas are good. Don't get me wrong...I'm sure there are several things I am in agreement with the ARRL, but not everything, for sure. I guess what we need to start doing as Hams, is start leaving our old copies of QST laying around from place to place for non-Hams to read.


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: KL7IPV on August 25, 2002, 10:28:31 PM
I have always left my magazines in places that you don't normally see them...doctor's offices and dentist's offices. I also give them to the library and they seem appreciative of them. I do have some reservations about just leaving them since the last few issues of the magazines (QST, CQ, World Radio) have what I would describe as negative mails to them. How do we explain the negatives to those who just pick them up? You and I understand that we have differences but when it comes to ham radio we are united in the hobby. That is hard to understand if you are reading that but not part of the hobby. So I bite the bullet and leave them with the hope that it helps and not hurt us as hams.
73
Frank
KL7IPV


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: K1DRM on August 29, 2002, 03:12:34 PM
Let me make sure I understand. You don't join ARRL "... because I have 6 publications that
have to be renewed each year. This with two or three Professional membership dues during
the year leave little for Hobby type magazines. I know that it makes better sense to
suscribe but with all this its hard" when you would SAVE money by joining! And then you complain because ARRL has decided not to sell QST through news stands. Sounds to me as it ARRL is doing you a favor.


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: N5WDD on September 01, 2002, 10:44:45 AM
Ok! OK! leave out my personal reasons for not subcribing to QST and think of It this way. Most Major publications are on the magazine racks and shelves at book stores and News stands. QST has always been available to me and others in several locations in my area without having to be a member. Therefore I always thought of QST as a Major Magazine representing the Amature Community. I could always tell someone interested in Amature Radio to read QST for several months to learn more about being a Ham.

With this move the ARRL has reduced the Stature of their Publication and placed it into a niche as a Hobby Magazine only available to its members. Maybe a
high quality one but still, Its only available to a select group of suscribers now.

I have been told that in the mass market, "Perceptions are reality". And when QST was on the mass market news stands and book stores and seen daily by the masses as well as Amatures it has been perceived as a National Magazine with nation wide coverage. Now it disapears from these stands and is only available to Members or "Suscribers" It has become a NICHE Publication and I don't think that it will be Perceived as a Major Publication as it has in the past. I personaly think that this is a DANGEROUS long term decision by the ARRL.

QST will always remain probably as the Top Amature Magazine in the Ham world but it only covers the Ham
world now. And that! as I have said before is Disapointing.

N5WDD




Title: QST Magazine
Post by: K9IUQ on September 01, 2002, 11:22:14 PM
I have subscribed to QST (and supported ARRL) for over 40 years. As a magazine QST is not that great. I Like CQ mag better. But with all this internet ham content, places like eham are MUCH more interesting than QST. And QST keeps raising their sub rates -- $39 this year and I aint sure it is worth that much? QST damn sure aint worth $39 a year but I still think we need ARRL to support the hobby.

I read eham almost every day (and yes I support them $$$$ you should too), I read the ARRL website rarely. What does this tell me? I should be giving eham my $39. I learn and have more fun here.

K9IUQ


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: N9ESH on September 03, 2002, 11:33:47 PM
Ouch! I think the League is making a big mistake.  Not for us established Hams, but for the newcomer. The newsstand allowed one to “sample the waters” so to speak. To see what Ham radio is all about before making a commitment. I can remember dropping $.60 and marveling at how much fun it would be if I were licensed. Of course, at the time that was all I could afford.

The newsstand QST also listed all the literature needed to get started.


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: K4PDM on September 11, 2002, 11:57:11 AM
In my view, the unfortunate part of this is that QST had pushed the other ham magazines off the shelves at the bookstores in my rural area. I have not been able to find "CQ" in stores for some time...it disappeared not long after QST showed up. Althought I am an ARRL member and get QST through the mail, I considered it acceptable that these small bookstores only carry one ham magazine, and if they did, then it made sense that QST was the one. Does this mean that now, small-town America will have no ham magazines on the newsstand shelves?
I guess nowadays people can be introduced to our wonderful hobby via the Internet, but my early ham education was through CQ Magazine, and for that I will be forever grateful. I hope CQ returns to fill the void.


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: N6AYJ on September 12, 2002, 04:19:33 PM
I'd never read QST and I'd never join the ARRL.  The League has absolutely no concept of how to properly represent its members.  I hope they go down the tubes.  As a matter of fact, I hope this whole frigging hobby goes down the tubes!  All hams do is have a bunch of airhead QSO's anyway.  If we're going to have airhead conversations, let the airhead public have the frequencies.  I mean, let's face it, ham radio is really a shitty hobby.  Bill Crowell, N6AYJ


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: KG4RUL on September 12, 2002, 04:59:25 PM
TO Bill Crowell, N6AYJ:

I for one am GLAD you are leaving the hobby!  We don't need an attitude like yours at all.

Dennis - KG4RUL

P.S. - I will continue to enjoy my inane QSOs, in spite of your disapproval.


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: ALLENCB on September 13, 2002, 07:42:02 AM
It's a shame that QST will no longer be available on the newsstand.  I'm just getting into this hobby (don't know if it'll "stick" yet) and it was one of the better magazines on the rack, imo.  

Chris


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: KD7KGX on September 28, 2002, 07:02:54 AM
The main reason I became a ham is because I stumbled across a copy of the March '00 QST and bought it... read the review on the K2, thought it would be neat to build and operate a radio (and besides I always wanted to be a ham).  The short version: I got my General ticket, built a K2, have several rigs now and really like ham radio!  QST availability is what made me become a ham!  Oh... I'm also an ARRL member and look forward to receiving the magazine every month.  Bad move to not publish newsstand copies, ARRL!


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: WA9SVD on October 04, 2002, 01:51:21 AM
It's unfortunate that the Newsstand version is being discontinued, but in the meantime, check your local library.  Many have a subscription to QST.


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: N7JCT on October 12, 2002, 04:58:04 AM
I believe that there are many more like you.  The ability to pick up QST, CQ, 73, and Ham Radio at the news stand contributed greatly to keeping my interest level up and getting my ticket.

It's hard to find any of those rags or any of their type.  Maybe it's a sign that the hobby is dying out.  Who knows.  One thing that you can count on tho is that reduced exposure to the non-ham public will result in a drop in recruitment.  

When you look at the actions of the ARRL in the last ten, twenty, or even thirty years you'll see that this move isn't suprising.  The ARRL is NOT interested in what's best for the hobby or the state of the art.  They are quite honest about that I believe.  They ARE interested in promoting the adjenda of a rather elite few.

QST was an excellent magazine as I recall.  I purchased it on the new stand for a while after leaving the ARRL.  Yes I have a beef with them.  I don't like their politics.  But the magazine was largely good and it is going to be sorely missed as a public awareness tool.

IMHO

Thor Wiegman
Operator of N7JCT


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: KB0NLY on October 13, 2002, 11:36:33 PM
I have to agree with many posts here.

First off i agree fully that removing the QST from newsstand access is probably a bad idea, although i am a member and you can actually get the magazine via membership cheaper than purchasing monthly from a newsstand it will however affect the casual magazine browser who comes across QST and wonders about the hobby.  It is already getting harder than heck to interest any non ham friends to get into the hobby.

I also have to agree that even though i like reading QST for the reviews and projects and some of the monthly articles, the ARRL seems to only care about some hams rather than the majority.  They take views that are outdated and can only serve to cause harm to the hobby.  What am i talking about on this you might ask?  I am talking about how the CW requirement is going to be removed at WRC-2003, and how the ARRL is bitchin' that each country should be able to choose if they want to eliminate it or not, so far only the ARRL has voted against the removal of the CW requirement and the ARRL is the only organization that has been pushing the FCC hard on keeping the requirement for US hams.  Have you ever seen any information or propaganda for the removal of the CW requirement published in QST??  Didn't think so.

The ARRL if it were not for it's publication of QST would not get any of my money.  How many times i have written to the correspondence column to be rejected i can't remember or count.  Mainly because i write in response to articles in QST about how they want to keep the CW requirement, and my views are anti-CW.

Has anyone tried to interest a friend into the hobby only to hear this:

"I have to learn what? to get a license to operate on HF.  Your crazy, that's what the internet is for."

Case Closed.

Scott, KBØNLY

www.qsl.net/kb0nly



Title: QST Magazine
Post by: KD7KGX on October 23, 2002, 01:41:35 AM
I don't have a problem with the ARRL's view on the topic of keeping a CW test for HF hams (General and above).

However, the ARRL has changed its position on this... they used to be against it and now they don't have a position pro or con.

Re the ARRL being only for 'elite' hams (whatever that means), I think the problem with amateur radio is not the ARRL... it's hams.

Do you want to know how to make ham radio more popular?  Disallow mail order of ham radios and offer local ham radio stores protected territories.  It will cost us hams a little more to buy a new rig, but that extra money goes to fund keeping that local store open so that people who aren't in the hobby have a place they can go and ask questions, play with radios, etc.

Of course, this will never happen.


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: WA9SVD on October 23, 2002, 10:40:44 PM
Hi,
    I voiced my disappointment in the decision about pulling QST to the ARRL representative at a recent Conference; that information once in QST was being moved to the Members only portion of their Web site, and QST itself was no longer available to non-members.
     I feel this is a very poor decision on the part of the ARRL, and removes a very visible part of Amateur Radio from the public, especially since many bookstores and magazine stands stopped carrying CQ and (I hate to mention it; too many non-ham editorials-  IMHO! ) 73.  Unfortunately, Ham Radio Magazine is now extinct.
    However, please bear in mind that QST is available in many public libraries!  Check with your library and those in surrounding communities.  You will probably find a library that indeed has a subscription.  And if not, get enough of your friends together to REQUEST it.  Even if a few amateurs have to get together to "donate" a library copy.  It shouldn't be too expensive!
Larry WA9SVD


Title: QST Magazine
Post by: on November 02, 2002, 01:06:41 PM
As far as I'm concerned the ARRL can get rid of QST magazine.  Every issue I have seen in the last 20 years was a disappointment.  The mag is full of crap I could not care less about.  The reviews are done so that no advertiser will be offended, the technical articles are sparse, I don't think most of the ads have changed in years and ARE BORING  to look at, ect.. I can find much more interesting things to look at on the web.  There are tons of sites put up by ordinary hams who have at least some interesting stuff to look at. All of the ARRL's publications are designed to bring in funds.  They are the biggest publisher of ham literature and none of it is very current. The ARRL tends to milk the same content for decades.