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Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: KG4WXP on August 27, 2009, 03:56:58 AM
I dont know what it is with me and running into these forums that make me want to pull my hair out, but I ran across something displaying someone using a '10 meter' radio....a ranger 2950.... and it wound up a convo about regulations and the FCC...this is what the guy said:

"I am an Extra class ham. There is no f***ing way that I would say a word about anybody operating WTF ever they want too. As long as they stay away from 10m, I could give a s**t less. I still play the high power 11m thing. I have for 15 years without any problems. Dips**t cops don't know a fuc**ng thing about radio, so they stay out of it. 226 High Desert mobile rockin' these 32 pills around Sin City, NV, just got DOWN!

I don't know where your at up there, Rabbit. I used to live up around Hastings, MI, which used channel 22. I used to go as Titan and ran a 6 element beam with 2kw. My mobile was a Galaxy 88 and a 12 pill box. I got out of it for a while, got my ham ticket, and now I am back operating from just outside of Sin City, NV. Now I am running an RCI 2970 and a 32 pill amp in the mobile -- pumping out a 3000w key-down and swing up around 7500w. Not the biggest, but I can be heard for sure, lol "


7500 Watts on 11 METER? Why isnt the FCC going after THESE people?


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: WB5JEO on August 27, 2009, 09:01:08 AM
The F.C.C. isn't exactly the highest priority federal agency, and it has a very broad mission in which the amateur and citizen services are only a small part. And no doubt the proliferation of more and more devices radiating RF has strained the engineering and RFI enforcement resources.

If you think about what it takes to build even a solid administrative case for something like illegal power, it's mostly beyond what they have to work with. To prove up a contested violation, you have to show to at least a civil preponderance standard that a particular person committed a particular violation, a violation that has to be proven by an engineering argument. It's not a trivial process. You may "know" something's in violation, but you can't argue a case based on someone's estimation made from experience. The idiots who imagine that they're clever pirates somehow confounding efforts to catch them are delusional. They're not evading any effort, because no one's making that effort. The cops he's not worried about don't do anything about it because it's simply not within their jurisdiction to do anything about it. State law isn't involved, and state and local police can't enforce federal law that doesn't happen to also be a state violation.

And the F.C.C. doesn't get much of the advantages some other administrative agencies have with their violations of law. Some other agencies deal with matters that are often associated with local law enforcement or regulatory investigations where they can take what the local agency has developed and use it. Unless the violation involved interference with a local public safety operation, local agencies have neither the jurisdiction nor technical ability to develop cases.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: AB4ZT on August 27, 2009, 09:37:45 AM
7500 watts out would be about 15000 watts in, which in a 12 volt system would draw 1250 amps.  I think this guy is just blowing smoke.

73,

Richard


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: KG4WXP on August 27, 2009, 11:44:29 AM
I thought that the local law enforcement had the authority to arrest cb'ers nowdays though?


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: NO2A on August 27, 2009, 02:46:02 PM
I`ve heard these cb`ers make these impossible claims about power output. It`s all talk.  What do you really think would happen to your mobile (or base) antenna if you pumped 7500 watts into it? It would melt,big time,then your s.w.r. would go through the roof. Think these guys ever actually measure their power through a wattmeter? Of course not! They don`t know what a wattmeter is let alone how to measure any power output. I`ve heard them bragg about their "1000 watt linears". And where exactly do you buy a 1000 watt linear anyway? (for mobile use) If only we could stop these truck stops from selling their "10 meter" radios,some are 12 meters also. I know one of the popular chains is currently under investigation for doing this. (Petro,or Pilot) All we can do is hope for the best.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: WB5JEO on August 27, 2009, 02:47:27 PM
State law enforcement, which includes state, city, county, and various district peace officers may enforce state law and the local ordinances of their particular cities and counties. There is no authority to arrest for violations of federal law, unless the local officer has also been commissioned as a federal officer, which is most commonly done by Homeland Security for customs matters, and those officers use that authority strictly for the limited purpose intended.

Only the most recalcitrant violator of F.C.C. regulations would ever be actually arrested, and even then it would be after a long effort at civil enforcement. I suspect most people arrested for radio operations were actually arrested for contempt of court following an court order to refrain from operating. And the arrest then could be made my any officer of any jurisdiction who happened across them, but would most likely be done by the U.S. Marshal Service. A federal judge can and will act to enforce orders. For actual violations of federal penal law, the U.S. Attorneys have to pretty picky about what cases they take. They have rather limited resources.

I could be standing there watching someone operate on 11 meters with what I knew to be a 1kW amplifier. Unless the operation was knowingly interfering with official public safety communications, I could do nothing, except the rather futile step of reporting to the F.C.C. and offering to be an especially credible witness. Only the knowing interference would be a violation of state law, and it would be for that specific effect on public safety communications, not for general interference with a licensed operation. I did once arrest an individual using a lost or stolen law enforcement VHF hand radio to interfere on a law enforcement channel, but it was for theft and the interference, not for operating the radio, per se.

It gives the CB bunch a thrill to imagine that the F.C.C. if lurking, and they're successfully avoiding the police, but it's just silly.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N5LRZ on August 27, 2009, 03:10:10 PM
Re JEO...

NOT quite exactly true....

Read the following....

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2000/11/29/3/cbbill.html


I have even been known to go so far as to encourage local law enforcement agencies to pass the required laws to permit local law enforcement enforceing CB rules and regs and to even suggest that said law enforcemnt agency persons with volunteer licensed amateurs conduct station inspections after some formal FCC Training Course in regards to such things.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: KG4WXP on August 27, 2009, 04:12:36 PM
you're right!


***************
The ARRL Letter
Vol. 19, No. 46
December 1, 2000

==>PRESIDENT SIGNS CB ENFORCEMENT BILL

President Bill Clinton has signed legislation that permits the enforcement
of certain FCC Citizens Band regulations by state and local governments.
Amateur Radio operators are exempt from the provisions of the law, now PL
106-521.

Congressional lawmakers saw the measure as a way to give a voice to those
experiencing radio frequency interference resulting from illegal CB radio
operation. The FCC will not yield its authority to regulate Citizens Band or
other radio services, however.

In short, the measure authorizes states and localities to enact laws that
prohibit the use of unauthorized CB equipment--consistent with FCC
regulations. This would include the use of high-power linear amplifiers or
equipment that was not FCC-certificated.

FCC-licensed stations in any radio service--including the Amateur
Service--are excluded from such state or local enforcement, and state or
local laws enacted under this legislation must identify this exemption.

The bill--HR.2346 is the House version; it was S.2767 in the
Senate--actually is the old Senate "Feingold bill" from several sessions
ago. The bill's sponsor, Rep Vernon Ehlers of Michigan says local hams asked
him to support the bill because of the bad rap they were getting from
illegal CBers using high-power linear amplifiers that resulted in TV and
telephone interference while the CBers involved hid behind federal
preemption.

As did Feingold before him, Ehlers asked the ARRL to review his measure to
ensure that it would not unintentionally harm Amateur Radio.

A copy of the new legislation is available on the ARRL Web site at
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2000/11/29/3/cbbill.html.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: KE4DRN on August 27, 2009, 05:03:57 PM
hi,

even if FCC fines them they have no
means to pay the hefty fine.

Even K1MAN Baxter is on the air again.

73 james


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: W7ETA on August 27, 2009, 10:55:26 PM
Why would they?

They can't go after every CBer nut.

Bob


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: WB5JEO on August 28, 2009, 10:11:05 AM
Some cities have enacted ordinances:

http://www.ci.brentwood.ca.us/citycouncil/pastagenda/packet_2001/ccap20010522/ccap20010508_04.htm

In states where city ordinances are enforced a criminal law (Texas, for instance), such an ordinance gives local police considerable power to take action, including search warrants and seizure of equipment as evidence, which normally means it's held until the matter is resolved. That resolution cuts both ways. A local court's decision can be appealed through the odd route of the F.C.C., although the details of various states' criminal procedures might mean it might have to wait until the state appeals processes had been exhausted, or it might mean they could proceed simultaneously. The provision for appeal through the F.C.C. makes for a messy appeal that's not going to make city attorneys enthusiastic, so it's largely a matter of being able to at least do something about citizen complaints of interference, not complaints by hams that someone is running illegal power.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: TANAKASAN on August 30, 2009, 08:05:24 AM
This is a good example of Darwin in action. Very high RF power, especially into a mobile antenna will eventually leave the guy glowing in the dark.

Then again, 15Kw input will reduce any car battery to slag so he is probably talking out of his blunt end.

Tanakasan


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N5LRZ on August 30, 2009, 08:36:05 AM
Re JEO...

Is it not the Job of the City Legal People do take care of such things???

I would truly hope that no local government would ever consider paying their official legal rep good money for sitting around doing absolutely nothing--although I would not doubt that the lawyers might think otherwise.

Then I say let them do their job and earn their pay--just like everyone else :)


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N5LRZ on August 30, 2009, 08:43:02 AM
RE ETA...

They cannot go after evry CB Nut..


Given that the fine for breaking regulations goes up to hmmmm I want to say 10 thousand a pop, that is pretty good financial incentive in my book to as you say \'go after every CB Nut\'.    

Just 10 CB busts at 10 K per bust gets the government 100,000.00 in cookie money.  Think of how much $$$$$ would be gained in fines if the FCC tacked a max on to a thousand, several thousand as you say \'CB Nut\'.


There is serious $$$$$ to be made here.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: WB5JEO on August 30, 2009, 07:34:00 PM
"Is it not the Job of the City Legal People do take care of such things???"

City attorneys have a lot going on. Unless it\'s a very large city, it\'s unlikely one or more attorney\'s will be assigned to municipal court. In many cities, it\'s one attorney, often a local lawyer contracted to handle the routine matters and advise the city.

It\'s not clear from the federal law and FCC regulations that I\'ve seen what the process is when someone appeals this sort of thing to the FCC. The FCC isn\'t in any way in the chain of state appeals process that\'s normally invoked in other prosecutions. I have been a municipal court judge. In other more usual cases, an appeal from a municipal court conviction goes up to county court-at-law for a trial de novo, a new trial from start, because there\'s no trial record in most Texas municipal courts. My feeling is that the case would take its normal course up through the county and (if the defendant chose) the state courts before the conviction became final (when state appeals had been exhausted, which is the normal requirement before going to federal courts), and only then would it go to the FCC. I wonder if it\'s ever gone that far. It may be that no one really knows how to proceed and won\'t know until someone forces them to work it out.

But, really, this is one of those things where the ordinance is used to manage a nuisance, and very often it works as soon as the offender knows the city will do something. And it\'s most common for cities to start light and move up the enforcement ladder until it works. You warn. If that doesn\'t work, you file a charge. If it continues, you move to another charge, since each time is a separate offense, and maybe seizure. Only the most determined violator will force it to the extreme. It\'s also a matter of how much money the violator wants to spend to fight it. Here, you do not get an appointed attorney to defend fine-only causes. If you want one, you pay for it.


"Given that the fine for breaking regulations goes up to hmmmm I want to say 10 thousand a pop, that is pretty good financial incentive in my book to as you say \\\'go after every CB Nut\\\'."

Not really. The cost of building a decent case and taking it to enforcement rapidly exceeds any fine you might ever collect. So it\'s not at all a matter of laying on a bunch of enforcement people end engineers who would pay their own way through fines. Other than traffic, which is easy to enforce and some drug enforcement in places where seizures can carry the cost, no enforcement is ever anything but a large expense for the government. It\'s always a matter of whether or not you want to enforce it badly enough to spend the money to do it. In this case, it a matter of Congress covering the enforcement budget. And FCC would have to be asking for the money and making that project a higher priority than anything else they could do with the same budget money. One might look at the federal law allowing local government to deal with some of it, but it\'s really also a signal that Congress isn\'t inclined to do it with federal resources.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N5LRZ on August 31, 2009, 03:25:12 AM
Re DRN...

No money no problem...

Do what the IRS does, or should I say formerly did.  Seize their property (home, etc) and sell it.  Garnish their income to the extent the law allows.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N7ZM on September 01, 2009, 05:59:21 PM
This guy is just blowing smoke.....there is no mobile that can do that much power without Tubes, and can you imagine the power supply needed for that, all in a mobile, come on........or maybe he's using one of those inaccurate MFJ meters. Wake up and smell the roses. This guy did what he was looking for, he got us writting about it.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: K9FON on September 04, 2009, 11:15:38 AM
7500 watts. Hmm i guess he feels the need to make up for the lack of "something else" much like the bozos with the loud mufflers on motorcycles and trucks. I just dont understand the rationale of people with this kind of mindset. I really dont get it............


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N2EY on September 04, 2009, 02:51:37 PM
There are ways to get that much power in a mobile. I don't do this sort of thing, but I have read about it, and it's not as impossible as it may seem.

The first step is that the regular 12 volt power system isn't used for the amp. It's used for the driver and low-power stuff only.

For the big amp, a completely separate 24 or 48 volt system - or systems! - is/are installed, with big alternators and batteries. This means a big vehicle, like a Suburban, van, or pickup-with-cap, but that's part of the game.

At 50% efficiency, 7500 watts out means 15,000 watts in. 15,000 watts sounds like a lot but it's only about 20 horsepower, so even a small V-8 is more than enough. At 48 volts, 15,000 watts is 312.5 amps, which is a lot but not unmanageable with heavy-duty components, particularly if you have more than one system.

(What passes for "high power" in radio is really not that much in other fields. Back when AM broadcasting was king, mighty WLW ran 500,000 watts, and became a legend. 500 kW sounds like a lot, but it's only 670 horsepower.)

The second step is that the amp is modular, consisting of several smaller amps connected with splitter/combiners. These can be as simple as quarter-waves of 75 ohm coax. Each amp module may contain quite a few transistors, but since quality of signal isn't a consideration, matching isn't a big concern.

The third step is low duty cycle and not caring about how clean the output is. The system need only work long enough to get a meter reading. During a max-power test, both the batteries and alternators power the amp, too.

There are RF power transistors that can do 150 watts output per pair all day long, so in short-term redline operation you might get 250 watts from a pair. 8 of them in an amp will give 2000 watts, so you chain up 4 modules and get about 7500 watts after all the combiner losses and such.

The final trick is that the quoted power levels are often peak watts, not average.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N2EY on September 04, 2009, 03:02:36 PM
"There is serious $$$$$ to be made here."

Well, yes and no.

First off, the FCC doesn't get the fine money. It goes into the general fund, and FCC never sees a penny of it directly.

Second, the wheels of justice turn slowly, and it may take lots of manhours and dollars to get a serious fine. The cost of prosecution may and probably will exceed the fine recovered.

Third, there's enough other crime out there that devoting serious resources to something like a rules violation can make an agency a target for serious criticism.

The real questions are:

Who is complaining?

How are they being hurt? (interference to a legal operation is a good one)

What evidence exists?

If somebody is blasting ten kW of 27 MHz RF from a mobile out in the country during a sunspot minimum, and nobody complains of interference, why should FCC spend a lot of resources on it when there are hams and others complaining daily about power-line noise, plasma-TV noise, intruders in the bands, unlicensed folks on public-service frequencies, defective TV sets leaking RF on EPIRB frequencies, false distress calls on VHF marine channels, etc.?

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: NO2A on September 04, 2009, 05:34:08 PM
Jim,i don`t care either if they want to do that stuff on 27 mhz,but the problem starts when they eventually find their way up to 10 meters and sometimes 12 meters. I`ve heard the cb`ers on with their "roger beep" radios and it just keeps getting worse. There have been reports of taxi drivers in NY city running radios like those on 10 meters illegally. (and other businesses) as well.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N2EY on September 05, 2009, 04:30:52 AM
NO2A:

I agree 100%; what cb folks do on their channels is one thing, but when they leave those channels and go on the ham bands, it's something else.

This isn't a new thing, either. It's been a problem since at least the mid-1970s. It's why Novices and Techs have 10 meter privileges.

Personally, I'd rather have the FCC use its limited resources to go after intruders in the amateur bands rather than the occasional superpower cb setup.

But that's just me.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: K9FON on September 05, 2009, 07:42:22 PM
As long as the FCC is lax on rule enforcement the CB ops will do whatever they feel like no matter what. The day the FCC dropped the licensing requirments the CB band went down the stool, and we are dealing with what we have now..........


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N5LRZ on September 06, 2009, 08:10:53 AM
The FCC could just pull the plug and shut down the CB Band entirely by taking it away from the CB people and giving it to commercial, military, or whomever.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: K2NRC on September 06, 2009, 11:30:04 AM
regarding n2ey's reply....i commend you for actually researching before typing!  and you're pretty close!  old diesel truck alternators made by leece-neville are able to produce enough AC to power 4cx15000 tube amplifiers in vehicles.  in some cases multiple tubes.  in all cases multiple alternators and batteries.  heck, they have even adapted multiple lexadine ge=nerators from trains to provide voltage in their trucks!  they've been known to install a SECOND nitrous aided big block engine in the rear of a van to power the amp ONLY!  all these things are to be seen on the web.  parks across ny nj & PA have these things on display regularly. no shame no hiding, out in the open. and if someone complains of interference-they move!  they happen all over the US as well.  cbers have designed a thing called a 'motormaul'.  google it, or of that's too difficult, check here-http://www.cbradiomagazine.com/Articles/CB%20Motor%20Mauls%20Explained.htm.  maybe oversimplification of a very simple device that does not provide multitudes of power required to produce 7.5kw or more rf output, but enough output to make 16 or 32 2sc2879's work fairly well in a cbers world.  and no, these guys don't use wilson 2000 magnet mount antennas.  they put BEAMS on their parked trucks, at the very least they are using large pieces of metal that WILL handle far more then 1500 watts hams are limited to.  and no, they don't use rg58 or rg8 or 9086.  they use minimally rg218 which will handle almost 7.5kw at 27 mhz, for 25' which is probably more then they're using.  commercial hardline is also used.  at the very least they use bird commercial wattmeters, as well as top line commercial pieces.  do they have too much money to know what to do with it?  in most cases, apparently yes.  this is just MOBILE. there are more then a few regularly operating with more then 25kw.  there is a world famous rap singer that is known to use an amplifier made with a 4cx40 THOUSAND tube, in his studio.  WHY is it so hard to accept that it can be done?  ignorance may be bliss, but i KNOW of a ham using a homemade 3cx3000 tube amp on 6m.  does he exceed 1500 watts???  he CLAIMS not to, but come on, who buys a corvette to drive it at 55 mph??  i have heard many a discussion on 40, 20, 10 & 6m regarding the oversized tubes hams are building amps around.  i know of a particular one that i see parked from time to time and he has NEVER EVER interfered with me on 10m or any other band, so i'm not neccessarily inclined to care.
so, guys, come on, i personally don't care if they ain't bothering me, though there are many that DO care even if they're not being affected. i just have other things in life to worry about....i am sorry you have so much free time on your hands.  but pull your heads up from the sand & look around.  there probably is a bit of exaggeration here or there-i'd personally lie on the LOW side rather then the high side-but, research a bit & see what cbers are doing.  i will BET something can be LEGALLY applied to the ham bands here or there!


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: ONAIR on September 06, 2009, 08:22:22 PM
I once saw a guy who had a huge amp in a van along with a gasoline generator!  Would have cost him a lot less to get a tech ticket and get on 10 meters legally.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N5LRZ on September 06, 2009, 08:47:13 PM
The "Jessie James Syndrome" has always been an all too attractive way of life for a lot of people--or so it would seem.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N0ZNA on September 08, 2009, 06:32:51 PM
I ran 11mtr ssb from 1969 till 1993.I got my lic then.With you background in antenna work and equipment,you should get you lic.I ran good equipment,and antennas.Your antenna is 99% of your equipment.Get the book,or just sit down twice a week on qrz.com and take the test question.Its not that hard.If you like 11mtr ssb,you will love 10ssb.And you dont have the am carriers,or roger beeps and echos.73s de JW


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: W7ETA on September 08, 2009, 11:45:28 PM
I like to run a clean station also!  AND, I ensure my audio is good and clean, mic level adjust properly, NO processing!

PLUS, I do it on ham radio.

Bob


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: AD4C2006 on September 07, 2009, 10:07:49 AM
Where you have been? Don't you know that very high power over 5KW and up to 20KW has become since many years ago the main fun and proud of all illegal cb'ers? C'mon,that's another old story,look,what could you tell me If I tell you that in the state of GA there was a MAJOR,yes Sir,a city MAJOR who gave permission to run a national "shootout" (that's how they call it) competition and after it was done they had a PARTY where the MAJOR was giving himself the trophy to the winner? That was in a website for years,its not anymore on the net,but this is going every year in the state of GA where the biggest guns on that band are,unfortunately FCC has no man power neither time to spend chasing all these violators but the day you be waiting at the red light for the green one and your stereo become crazy,your dome light will be flashing by itself and the car computer made your car to stop,spin your head around and I am sure you will find either an 18 wheeler or a big SUV with a couple of vertical with huge coils on them running more than 5K on 27Mhz.This is a national epidemy worse than the swine virus and thousand of CB'er are infected with it but the vaccine is not been produced yet and I don't think so it will.

Hector
AD4C


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: SSBER on September 07, 2009, 01:26:49 PM
You guys need to get a life.  Stop obsessing about CB'ers and just enjoy your own hobby.  I agree that the claim of 7500 watts is probably exaggerated, so chill out and relax.  Not only that, but CB'ers have totally infiltrated the Amateur Radio ranks, so no sense belly aching about it.  We have pumped life back into this hobby that was, hear to fore, dying a protracted and painful death.

73's
World Penetration
TS2000, 811H, B-1
38 USB


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: PULLRAFTT on September 07, 2009, 01:29:37 PM
I say let the 11 meter operators do whatever they want. If you don't go there to listen or to be a part of it, then it won't bother you! AND you won't have to bitch about it :)

-zw


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N0ZNA on September 07, 2009, 02:05:52 PM
You can order any set up you want on internet.Look up Dave made amps.H and Y has amps.I seen a 32 tranistor amp that they said did that,but there isnt anyway.It had 2290 transistors in it.Its a 70 wt transistor.I live south of St.Louis and am bothered by the big cbers,ther are some running over 1kw.They have a radio,connex 4300hp...it does 300wts out of the box.It is usless  running 28mhz here...73s de JW


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N0ZNA on September 07, 2009, 02:27:28 PM
I have given tickets to people that have bothered people tvs.And sent the report to the F.C.C. to do whatever with.I to was in law encorcement for many years.But now am bothered by the cbers just south of St.Louis about 40 to 60 miles.I am retred now.I know most are running around 300 wts.Two are running over a kw.They are on 27.355am or ch 35 to others.73s de JW


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: K9FON on September 07, 2009, 08:14:48 PM
Power has always been the answer for these guys. When i was into CB i didnt run an amp, had a moonraker 4 up about 40' with low loss coax, and i could talk pretty much anywere with only 12 watts SSB. I pretty much put a load on $$$ into my antenna system and used a used Cobra 2000 GTL that i gave like $175.00 for.  Its all in the antenna system IMHO.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N0ZNA on September 08, 2009, 12:55:25 PM
99% of your radio is your antenna.And trying to tell some is impossible.Im not saying there is some good one,most or on ssb.73s de JW


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: SSBER on September 08, 2009, 03:19:35 PM
I love 11m SSB.  I take pride in running a clean station with no RFI.  I use the best equipment I can afford.  I wish I had a Commander amplifier, because I would certainly use it, but they're out of my price range.  I use a TS2000 with the N3GX HI-FI mod, a Behringer B1 mic, Behringer Shark DSP110, into a 811H, into a Palstar AT1KP into a Imax 2000 or alternately, a radiowavez 11m Bazooka.  I have a modified 3 element Maco yagi (I shortened the boom from 1/3 wave to 1/4 wave for manageability) but that is in storage at the moment. Most of my gear purchased from a local HRO without a ham ticket.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N5LRZ on September 09, 2009, 06:28:30 AM
RE ETA...

Welllllll there is nothing wrong with processing as it relates to that which is built into the radio and not external.  

But one has to follow the parameters as it relates to the limits of processing.  

Too much processing, which we both know, can screw up an otherwise acceptable audio.

Unfortunately, there are some who do not know this.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: KE3WD on September 11, 2009, 06:00:13 PM
Those who don't believe that 7500W is possible out of a mobile just haven't seen it.  

I have seen it.  

And more.  

Some very dangerous setups out there among this crowd.  

10KW, key down, is all over the place now.  

That is CARRIER.  With clipped modulators in the exciter, AF preamplification and in some cases even AF compression, they can "swing" that to much higher levels on the modulation peaks.  It is, after all, overmodulated AM emission.  

4CX tube is typical, forklift batteries in the back and extra alternators on the engine of a van is "all" it takes.  

There are illegal "factories" churning this stuff out, too.  

One part of the reason you don't see more enforcement may have to do with the fact that these miscreants are also likely to be armed and dangerous.  

It is not like just being able to walk up to them at one of those "keydown contests" and issue citations.  

s for those who think these people use cheap wattmeters and the like, forget that notion.  BIRDS, with factory commercial-power "slugs" in them are the standard.  

Just listen to CB channel 6, 27.025 for a few days, that should be Missouri "show me" enough for you doubters.  

As for the ham bands, these guys routinely trash the third harmonic, which is 6 meters.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: KE3WD on September 11, 2009, 06:02:14 PM
Maybe seeing is believing for you:

Just go to Youtube and type in, "keydown" in the Search block.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=keydown&search_type=&aq=f


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: PULLRAFTT on September 12, 2009, 08:38:40 AM
by KE3WD on September 11, 2009  

"One part of the reason you don't see more enforcement may have to do with the fact that these miscreants are also likely to be armed and dangerous."

---------------------------------------------------

YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!  That's the most assanine thing I think I've seen written on these boards! What a moron!!

--zw


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N0ZNA on September 12, 2009, 08:48:19 AM
I wish they would start 40 miles south of St.Louis Missouri.On ch 35 am after 7pm at night till 2am...28 mhz is useless.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N2EY on September 12, 2009, 09:25:22 AM
KE3WD writes:

"As for the ham bands, these guys routinely trash the third harmonic, which is 6 meters."

Ah - no.

The third harmonic of 27 MHz is 81 MHz. Which is old analog TV channel 5

The second harmonic of 27 MHz is 54 MHz, which is the top end of the amateur 6 meter band.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: KE3WD on September 12, 2009, 12:37:21 PM
N2EY is of course correct, Second Harmonic.  d'oh!  


Someone else up there sounds like they may be part of the keydown contest crowd.  


And methinks they protesteth too much...


--KE3WD said that.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N0ZNA on September 12, 2009, 07:13:37 PM
wow,thats something.I cant coment on that.Someone needs some meds.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: K5CQB on September 16, 2009, 01:02:28 PM
What people will spend their money and time on, hihi.  Actually I would like to find one of those fellas to make me a bracket for an extra alternator.  I could make a nice on board arc welder for my 4x4 out of one of those alternators.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N0ZNA on September 19, 2009, 10:12:14 AM
The one that lives around Hilsboro Mo. is running two alt. and three batteries.He is running a 16 transistor amp on am,runing a gal99.The radio runs 45 wts it self.He redid the whole front of his motor on his 1992 f100 truck,and runs a steel whip.73s de JW


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: K3VW on September 22, 2009, 03:19:55 PM
WB5JEO, if he is truely in law enforcement as he claims, needs to go back to the Poilce Academy and find the law that gives local law enforcement officers, the power to investigate (and arrest), violaters of Federal laws dealing with CB operators that have been complained about by their neigbors! It came down from the FCC about 4 years ago, to give local law enforcement officers the power to investigate illegal CBer complaints. Do your home work before you start talking out your butt! If you were one of my officers, you wouldn't have it thru the day!! I hate it when a supposodly well informed officer, puts out to the public, bad information. It makes us all look bad! He is your typical "cop" that probably just has a high school education and is only in it for the money, what little their is but it is security.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: SSBER on September 22, 2009, 05:27:21 PM
You just got served, hehehe.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: WA2JJH on September 27, 2009, 03:55:13 AM
Never heard of a 7KW+ 11M op. There is one notoriuos lub that all have their CB's in Mobile Vans. They do get the highest power class C piece of crap.

  I heard of a 2KW buttplug head. They all add an extra alternator and dedicated 12V truck batt. for the
3-30mhz++ crap amp. Broadband in and out. low pass filtering.....no, they might loose out on 75W of harmonic crap

  They use AM modulation on CH11 on the chicken band.
Tell all sign is the ability to be heard +/-  100 KC's on 11M with spattering up to over 6Meters.

   The same group of turds have what is known as a Key down. A hamfest style swap meet. The big event of the "key down", is all these buffons all key up at once on one channel. Hey man, they are sure sticking it to the MAN as well as wasting carbon credits.

   Using CB math.....perhaps 7KW++ comes from the TRFPW(total RF wasted multiplied by all the keyuppers that think they are creating a RF WOODSTOCK! It is a huge guestimation. The concept of phasing  RF is quantum mechanics to them.

   They do enguage in criminal activity besides selling illegal 10-12M filthomatic radio's. Chop-shops
send representitives. Many recipes for "Meth" manufacture are judged at a brain cookoff.

  The 7.5KW is that peak power+spurious emmisions+ the 300% AM modulation they all use. State Troopers have a feild day catching the many with bench warrents and Parole complications.

  Perhaps some jerk built an 8 tube 3-500z or 20 MRF-925's. device. batts and thousands of watts are wasted by the 12V-3800vdc conversion, if such an amp were built using good 3-500z.

   So, if you want to see RF anarcy, look for a CB keydown. Just ask a trooper where it is. These groups are watched for handgun trafficking. The Police do not have the breifing on what is an illegsl amp or CB rig.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N0ZNA on September 27, 2009, 10:08:51 AM
Around here,40 to 60 miles south of St.Louis Missouri they run mostly 12 to 16 transistor amps.And drive them with a 2 transistor amp.Mostly run on 27.355am and go to 26.855am down below there channel one.And they realy splatter 28 mhz bad.From 3pm till around 3am every night.On weekend they are on all day and all night.They run there amps just to talk local.One is building a 20 transistor amp running 2290s a 70 wt transistor.He is running a ft101ex to drive it.73s de JW


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: W3TEZ on October 02, 2009, 09:05:31 PM
well, tell ya what, that 7500 watt amp is probably not shielded and grounded very good, so with all that radiation exposure, he'll be over and done with when the rf power kills him, hey, i have the same problems you do, so don't feel bad, many people have died that i know of that have been around such amounts of rf power, so if the fcc dont get em, death will get him with that kind of power.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: K2NRC on October 03, 2009, 05:07:46 PM
looking back at MY other post on this thread several weeks back, i see a spelling mistake or 2, a symbol typed in error, and for the most part, a grammatically correct post.  after reading through the rest of the posts, all i can say is.....SHEESH!  i can make neither heads nor tails of several posts, a few seem to have been typed with 'spell error' clicked on, and a few are so ambiguous, i'm not even sure which direction they are leaning......they're probably among those who voted for obama because they sang that name to themselves & thought it was a celebratory song ;-).

oh yeah, my point was.....why does no ham believe 7.5kw & more can be produced by a CBer, and take a guess how many hams exceed 1500 watts....time to go back to the RADIO.  bye.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: KE3WD on October 03, 2009, 06:36:47 PM
All the doubters really have to do is a quick websearch.  

48 2SC2879's latched up can be purchased for less than $4k these days.  Filters?  Firm bias? Surely you jest.  

http://www.nonamecb.com/NoNameCB-Amps/NoNameCB-Amps.htm

Claims 8.5KW keydown on the Bird.  

Couple that up with two or three alternators and a rear end fulla forklift batteries and another keydown maniac is happy as a clam (and RF irradiated).


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: K5CQB on October 03, 2009, 08:55:45 PM
K3VW,
"find the law that gives local law enforcement officers, the power to investigate (and arrest), violaters of Federal laws dealing with CB operators that have been complained about by their neigbors!"


Hmmm, I would like to see the warrant-less arrest exception for that one, lol.  The most likely situation would be a detailed report forwarded to the FCC.  

Jim, K5CQB


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: K9FON on October 04, 2009, 08:19:13 PM
These high power amp guys are NUTS!! Don't they realise what they are doing to themselves? I just don't get WHY they think they have to run that much power. Maybe they need to make up for the lack of something else. Like manhood. They think they 7,500 watts on CB to talk to a guy 20 miles away when I can talk around the world, when the conditions ae right, with about 10 watts...........


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: K5CQB on October 05, 2009, 04:16:03 PM
We need to spread the rumor that holding the tip of the whip/ariel/tawlkin stick while transmitting will give you and extra 1000 watts.
hihi
k5cqb


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: KE2TR on October 12, 2009, 01:51:09 PM
This guy is blowin smoke that he does not have. He talks the talk but does not walk the walk. Many years back like in the 70ies I work for Harrison radio for a few years, back then the CBrs had more money to spend on ham gear than most of the hams, I even know a fellow ham who sold his Alpha 77SX to a cber, now that puppy placed 3500 out on 11 meters dead key on a bird 43 with a collins s line or KWM2A driving it. This fellow had a better station than most hams but was a shame he never tried to get his ticket. I dont give a dam what the 11 mtr guys do myself as long as they stay on 11mtrs and back then most bought rigs like the FT101E which had 11mtrs on the bandswitch and cut the brown wire under the radios final cage to TX, that was the most famous rig used back then. Funny most of those guys would come in and asked about ham gear saying that they were buying a rig before they got there ticket but the reality was they were not getting any ticket and they already new about the mod. What was also funny was most blew a set of finals and the radio would come back in the repair shop in the 11 BS position, man did they ever get a big repair bill for the fix cause final tubes were not covered. There were many 2 step shops that did all kinds of sales on FT101E's back then, buying 20 to 20 radio's at a pop as a so called HAM Dealer. that was another joke but it was real. I think with todays economy most dealers will sell whatever keeps them going, money talks and BS walks. I dont think its right but it happens and the FCC does the same thing about it that it did back then which is nothing. So if you are reading this and you are on 11mtrs please keep the ole bandswitch were it is but once you think your gonna try bootlegging on the ham bands you will stick out like all get out, stay on 11 and enjoy yourself but just stay there!


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: KB1TBF on October 15, 2009, 05:32:08 AM
CBer's are not all idiots. I am an avid CBer, thats what sparked my interest in becoming a HAM. I, however, do not operate ileagal equipment. I can see how one could be upset about interference in other bands, but that is not a problem in my area.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: CHARLIEBAKER on October 20, 2009, 04:13:50 PM
it just go to show you that cbers is better then most HAM when it come to running a radio. most a the cbers i know are smarter then the HAM oparaters i know. just be cause you cant figgure out how to make a linyer run 7500 watt dont mean that a cber cant. if you ever need help with this just ask a cber. lol


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N0ZNA on October 22, 2009, 07:04:37 PM
this is the proper way to spell linear amp.We dont need 7500 wts to talk 20 miles.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: CHARLIEBAKER on October 23, 2009, 05:29:08 PM
mebbe if you push 75,00 watts you can get more then 20 miles!!! lol! if you dont no how just ast a cber. dont be shy he wont bite. lol!! and alot a HAM think they smarter then cbers! i dont think so! lol!!!


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N0ZNA on October 24, 2009, 10:04:26 AM
Sorry old man,i have worked every State,and Country there is.I run better equipment than you would ever know.I had top of the line equipment on 11 mtrs probly before you where born...I ran 11mtr am back in 1968 till 1973,after then went ssb only...I had ham equipment on 11.I got my lic in 1993 and havent been back till this year,i dug in the closet to get a radio out to see who was splatering.73s de JW


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: CHARLIEBAKER on October 24, 2009, 10:34:08 AM
ha your funny!! lol! you talk to every country in the world??? there must be like 50 or 60 of them and you talk to them all?? sound like a lot a bullcrap to me. what kind a linyer you got? what chanel you talk to them on? your makeing this up. lol!!

and i aint a old man but it look like you are if you was on a radio in 1968. now your seenile and makeing up storys about talking to all the countrys in the world! lol! time for your nap! at the home! lol!!


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N0ZNA on October 24, 2009, 11:55:26 AM
Have your 5th grader spell check for you,and tell you how many countrys there are.And i dont have channels on my HF equipment.73s de JW


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: CHARLIEBAKER on October 24, 2009, 04:01:40 PM
if you dont have no chanels on your radio dont complain to me!!! i thout you HAMS was so smart! lol! gess not!! lol! next time you see a cber ast him to show you where the chanels are. tell him to use small words so you dont get lost! lol!! tell you what. when i get my HAM i aint never gonna let you have the break. only smart HAMS who no where there chanels are can get the break from me! lol!!!


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N0ZNA on October 24, 2009, 07:12:52 PM
No we dont have channels,{there is 2 ns in channels}we have vfo if you know what that is.We are smarter than having to be stuck on channels{there still is 2 ns in channels.If they give you a lic i will get rid of my radios.It proves they are dumining down the test.Your lucky they dont grade for spelling and gramer.lol 73s de JW  hehe


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: CHARLIEBAKER on October 24, 2009, 07:27:53 PM
well if you get rid a youre radios i dont want to by them beacus they dont got not dam chanels!!! lol! well you better get on craig list beacus im going to get my HAM. me and my buddy jeff is lerning the test now. we waited until they stop the beep de beep code test. now we can get uppity extraclass HAM and blast are linyers and never give you no break!! lol!! im going to get a HAM moon rakker on a 300 feet tower so you will have no trobble hereing me! lol!! my HAM handel will be buster brown so if you here me just get offa my chanel beacus i will never give you the break!! if your so smart howcom you cant figer out how to get chanels on youre radio??? i gess that mean you aint so smart. lol!!!!!!


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N0ZNA on October 24, 2009, 07:33:51 PM
someone else talk to this lid,im done.You need help sir.You just dont know what you are talking about.I wish you luck,and hope you get help for your problems.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: KB1TBF on October 24, 2009, 07:35:54 PM
This has got to be some kind of joke!


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N0ZNA on October 24, 2009, 07:37:27 PM
I dont know,we are coming off a full moon.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: CHARLIEBAKER on October 25, 2009, 06:33:39 AM
in sted a ratchet jawing on here mebbe you shold figer out where the chanels are on youre radio! lol!! i cant wait to get my HAM. the test must be easy beacus they let you pass! lol! a least i no where the chanels are. if you still cant figer it out mebbe you can fine a cb radio computer page and ast a cber how to do it. this prove to me that not all HAM is so dam smart! lol!! beacus you are not! lol!!!!!!!!


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N0ZNA on October 25, 2009, 01:41:40 PM
Go back in your bottle and play spin the house,i wish you luck but with your attitude you wont last long.And if what is down on 11mtr,im glad i dont go down there.73s de JW


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: CHARLIEBAKER on October 25, 2009, 07:52:04 PM
lol youre funny!!! i probly last longer then you beacus you say you had a radio in 1968 so now you like 80 year old??? lol!! so i be jaw jackin on HAM long time after your 10-7 for good!! lol! may be if you live to be 100 year old you one day find out where youre chanels are! take you a nother 20 year?? i bet it wold!!! lol!!!!!!!! man musta taje you like 50 trys to pass youre HAM test! lol


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N0ZNA on October 26, 2009, 05:00:05 PM
Tell me everything you know,i have a minute,hehe...You better go back to the phyc ward,its med time.Im not as old as you think,i was a kid back then.Well im done talking to the weaker minded.I did my Christian duty.see ya phyco,oh ya you dont probly need a outfit for Holloween,your are going as you are,a redneck shoeless redneck.Let me give you some good advice,lay off the booze.


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: CHARLIEBAKER on October 27, 2009, 02:39:07 PM
ha ha i like jaw jackin with you! im a christan to so i send my blesings to you and youre famly. are you in a old age home if so let me no the adress and i will send you a xmas card. and lissen if you ever need help with youre radio give me a shout or my buddy jeff. he is a expert radio cber an smarter then any HAM i ever talk to. if you here me on the HAM or cb chanel give me a shout my handel is buster brown an jeff is handel of wisker biskit. we can probly help you with youre linyer or if you are not gettin out. i didnt mean nothing when i say your not smart. look not evry body is smart. i dont mine than youre a little slow. just have fun with youre radio and that is all that count!!! peace a jesus to you an youres!!! thanks


Title: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: PULLRAFTT on October 28, 2009, 05:50:14 PM
N0ZNA got sucked right in, didn't he?


Title: RE: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N4ZAW on December 18, 2009, 10:01:46 AM
[The quote that got this thread going]

"I am an Extra class ham. There is no f***ing way that I would say a word about anybody operating WTF ever they want too. As long as they stay away from 10m, I could give a s**t less. I still play the high power 11m thing. I have for 15 years without any problems. Dips**t cops don't know a fuc**ng thing about radio, so they stay out of it. 226 High Desert mobile rockin' these 32 pills around Sin City, NV, just got DOWN!"

[END of quote that got this going]

Whoever this was that urinated on your cheerios, I COMMEND him (except for the foul language"!!!)

I've been a liscensed ham since 1990. Not that this matters to me, but it might to some disturbed person.
I've also been a CBer since 1965, under dad's liscense,KKP-0907 -- then under my own (KAFG9830). This will probably matter to the same whackos who think the longer you have something,the better it gits...Newz-flash; THIS AINT WINE,Y'ALL!
And we are not band cops! CB is not part of the amateur bands anyhow. "Freebanders", unliscensed radio broacasters ("Pirates") and those using the stinking telephone to set up bank robbery are ALL going afoul of FCC rules and regulations!

My advice to my fellow hams is to enjoy your privlages as assigned, keeping in mind human nature and putting-up with pileups and banal interence (not malicious, of course that's different).
Those of you who find this suggestion "difficult" need to get a life, or some sort of psychiatric assistance. Life is simply way too short for one group of us "RF junkies" combatting another over turf.
Th FCC may declare (as they have indeed done durring wartime in the past), SHUT THE HAM BANDS DOWN. However, the war-powers act is no longer the only law that can restrict your communications... Having stated that;
You (and any global government) are POWERLESS to shut down the citizens band!!! Oh, you may try,and with new-found allies within the administration, you might even pass dictates... But to think that any such effort would succeed, is a wannanbe band-cop's illusion -- a wild dream!
You are powerless over the American citizen when he gets mad. Try us if you dare! Just beware the obligatory American pitchforks and baseball bats.


Title: RE: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N9ZAS on December 19, 2009, 11:30:36 AM
[The quote that got this thread going]

"I am an Extra class ham. There is no f***ing way that I would say a word about anybody operating WTF ever they want too. As long as they stay away from 10m, I could give a s**t less. I still play the high power 11m thing. I have for 15 years without any problems. Dips**t cops don't know a fuc**ng thing about radio, so they stay out of it. 226 High Desert mobile rockin' these 32 pills around Sin City, NV, just got DOWN!"

[END of quote that got this going]

Whoever this was that urinated on your cheerios, I COMMEND him (except for the foul language"!!!)

I've been a liscensed ham since 1990. Not that this matters to me, but it might to some disturbed person.
I've also been a CBer since 1965, under dad's liscense,KKP-0907 -- then under my own (KAFG9830). This will probably matter to the same whackos who think the longer you have something,the better it gits...Newz-flash; THIS AINT WINE,Y'ALL!
And we are not band cops! CB is not part of the amateur bands anyhow. "Freebanders", unliscensed radio broacasters ("Pirates") and those using the stinking telephone to set up bank robbery are ALL going afoul of FCC rules and regulations!

My advice to my fellow hams is to enjoy your privlages as assigned, keeping in mind human nature and putting-up with pileups and banal interence (not malicious, of course that's different).
Those of you who find this suggestion "difficult" need to get a life, or some sort of psychiatric assistance. Life is simply way too short for one group of us "RF junkies" combatting another over turf.
Th FCC may declare (as they have indeed done durring wartime in the past), SHUT THE HAM BANDS DOWN. However, the war-powers act is no longer the only law that can restrict your communications... Having stated that;
You (and any global government) are POWERLESS to shut down the citizens band!!! Oh, you may try,and with new-found allies within the administration, you might even pass dictates... But to think that any such effort would succeed, is a wannanbe band-cop's illusion -- a wild dream!
You are powerless over the American citizen when he gets mad. Try us if you dare! Just beware the obligatory American pitchforks and baseball bats.


Oh,one foggy new year's eve a lone individual set out on a mission! Well equipped and dressed for stealth,he intended to inflict harm on many a radios health!
Dressed in black,carrying a small sack he crept into yards and many back alleys!
One by one the amplifiers fell silent,til' only a hiss was heard for miles!
Tactics were many,tools were few! He set out with a list and knew what to do!
110v.outside outlets quickly spliced to ends of coax!
Many chunks cut from many a feedline,tossed into nearby garden beds!
Motion lights seemed strangely to fail,while watchdogs wagged their tail.
Needless to say the very next day when scofflaws fired up,the signals were down! "Ya'll not makin' the trip" they all would say with no clue as to how much they will have to pay! ::)

I guess the moral here is...The fcc is not always needed to make a difference!


Title: RE: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N4ZAW on December 23, 2009, 09:06:31 AM
"I guess the moral here is...The fcc is not always needed to make a difference!"


True enough,John.. And a good little poem! :)

There are some who would ACTUALLY go to such extremes. I wont go into how I once dealt with a malicious little CBer (drunk every night too) that lived in a nearby subdivision. It was not as extreme as yanking his tower down, taking a baseball bat to his haid, or pinning his coax...But it was safe, effective, with no bodily harm and not against the law (outside of "littering" perhaps). I think you could decypher what i did, but that aint important.

Ve do have vays of making zem comply, but zis, all too often, runs afoul of zee authorities.


Title: RE: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: G4ZOW on December 23, 2009, 01:54:07 PM
I think the 48 device amp mentioned earlier was last years model:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2/Longchamp/TooManyWatts.jpg

Try 64 :-)

As for not being able to power big tubes with handles:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2/Longchamp/Engine_3.jpg

This is in addition to those on the main engine. Please note the diameter of the heliax!

Remember the old saying "you can buy anything if you've got enough":

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2/Longchamp/PeterNewZealand.jpg

Phil G4ZOW


Title: RE: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: G4ZOW on December 23, 2009, 01:56:47 PM
Apologise for non-clickable links.

Worth cutting & pasting.

Phil G4ZOW


Title: RE: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N9ZAS on December 25, 2009, 02:46:09 PM
Mr. baker maybe you should get hooked on phonics and learn how to spell BEFORE you start worrying about how to use an amplifier? YOU my friend,have much to learn first!
N9ZAS


Title: RE: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N4ZAW on December 25, 2009, 03:34:53 PM
Charles is just yankin yer chain, John. He is all over the forum with this mission of unknown objective... And he is kind of stuck on the "I'm an idiot CBer" theme, I think,just to get responses like yours (and yes, mine too in other threads). Hopefully, he'll find a new shtick soon, because he kind of wore the dumb CBer thing to death. Still, kinda funny tho.

sides... Summa thos CBers are more smarter then summa thos hams out thar on thu bans.
:)

73


Title: RE: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N0ZNA on December 25, 2009, 06:36:25 PM
I been waiting for him to ask{asx}what APRS,RTTY,PSK are...hehe


Title: RE: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: QBEAMS12 on August 04, 2010, 03:17:02 AM
 ;D I think alot of you ham guys think you have halo's on top of your heads.. Before you go bashing cb operators again do some research before you taste your foot!!!!!!!!! No I'm not saying that what the idiot with 7500w is right!!! But surley guys your ham ticket is nothing more than a get-away-with-it card!!! You  can conduct emergency ops. on cb too!!!! Does the card give you the right to operate your henry 8k ultra or your alpha 3 holer or your homebrew 4-1000 amp and reprogram my remote control every time you key up........Please tell me why is it legal for you to disturb the peace while I'm watching tv and relaxing after a hard days work and instead my family and I have to be inconvienenced because you want to ask  Bob over in Illinois how the corn is growing!!!!!!!!! >:( I thought that legal limit for ham was 1500w or 2kw again I say why would you need such a large amp!!! Remember guys it's just a damn card it doesn't make you able to walk on water!!!!! And it surely doesn't make you better than cb'ers!!!!! :o


Title: RE: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: W7ETA on August 04, 2010, 01:21:28 PM
Somebody else I can use the ignore feature for.


Title: RE: a 7500 watt 11 METER CB OP?
Post by: N0ZNA on August 09, 2010, 07:23:19 PM
Isnt it funny C.Baker only shows up during a fool moon...hehe...i mean full moon...