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Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KE6WNH on August 01, 2009, 04:50:55 PM
One of the discouraging things in the ham world is that more women just don't seem interested in getting into the hobby. My buddy convinced his 70-yo mother to get her ticket after the Chino quake disrupted cell phone service, but to this day, I haven't been able to convince my 65-yo aunt to do likewise, despite the fact that she lives in a retirement community in AZ where there's no shortage of hams to talk to. Likewise my nextdoor neighbor---a county building inspector---who is very enthusiastic about studying for his Tech, but he hasn't garnered much interest from his wife and daughter when he suggested it would be a good way for them to keep in touch while the daughter is at college out of town.

Is it just the stereotyped image of the ham of yesteryear, with a shack full of rigs and wires everywhere, which has been turning off women to joining the hobby? If so, we need to work on changing it. Ham radio is a handy hobby to have when other methods of communication let us down.

73, Marty


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KJ4MXO on August 01, 2009, 06:25:57 PM
I just got my tech ticket.My wife being somewhat smarter than me saw how I only studed for about a month and passed.I suggested to her it would would be a good idea to get hers.We live in Fl and when the storms hit it can shut down cellphones.She said she wasn't interested in taking a test to use a hopped up "CB".Not pushing to hard but still trying.


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K2FR on August 05, 2009, 06:48:29 AM
generally they are just not interested in it.



Just like I have no real interest in shopping through 100's of different items to make the perfect outfit like her..  So all things even out..  she doesn't drag me shopping I don't ask he to watch me play with radios lol


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: N2EY on August 06, 2009, 05:24:43 AM
It's a cultural thing. Ham radio is technology-based, and IN GENERAL women are less interested in technology-based activities than men.

Look around at other technology-based activities - cars, computers, woodworking, aviation, etc. - and you'll see the same pattern.

Yet there have always been a significant number of female hams. Many have excelled in their acomplishments.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: AA4PB on August 06, 2009, 06:08:32 AM
Some years ago our local club had a president who had a wife with some interest. A group of hams had an informal breakfast gathering every Sat morning and she was instrumental in getting many of the other wives to come along. Few had any real interest in ham radio but they were up for a free breakfast and social time. What it takes is a "leader" to get and keep interest.


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KC9QEB on August 06, 2009, 11:18:16 AM
Most of the techie people I know are the women. However, I know that as a woman in her mid-30s, I'm a fairly rare bird in the world of ham radio.


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K9FON on August 07, 2009, 08:57:42 PM
My wife is a ham. She is not that active though. The kicker is she got her ham ticket before i did!


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: N0SOY on August 12, 2009, 02:02:05 PM
Part of it is the attitude of some of the hams out there.   Many years ago  a friend of mine got her general license and we decided to go to a hamfest.  She is older then I.  She had cash and was looking for some equipment to play with. BTW she can afford to buy what ever she wished.  Every vendor looked at her and either ignored her or kept talking to me and referring to me as her husband.  Things like "talk to your husband about XXXXX" looking at me.  That made me feel old.   The final straw was when she was standing there trying to get some old fart type vender's attention about a radio she wanted and and he went and waited on two other guys who just walked up.  He finally came over when I walked up.  She was so mad you would not believe it.  She acted like she wanted the radio and how it was so nice ect.  Had him go over all the controls ect.  Then took out  more then enough cash to buy it.  After she made sure that he saw the cash.  She told him that she would rather give it to a homeless bum then by anything for such a sexist pompous ass.

It took me 2 hours to calm her down and she has since let her license lapse.  

This is the 21st century not the 19th.


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KASSY on August 13, 2009, 12:55:53 AM
The calibre of men in the hobby has something to do with it.

Men are constantly about women for staying fit and trim and "looking good".  Take one look at a ham club meeting and most women will realize this is NOT the direction that men have been asking THEM to go.

AARP Journal mentioned this - after age 50, most women get more physically active.

To date, in my experience in ham radio, more women are found in the physically active parts of the hobby.  Our local search and rescue group is 50/50.  The local QRP/hiking club is 1/3 women.  Of the several "emergency preparedness" organizations, the one that actually conducts drills that require mobilization and hikes into canyons, onto mountaintops etc, for simulated emergencies is about 1/3 women.

If you want to attract a specific demographic, you have to find out what attracts them, and do it.  You can't just hope they'll "discover" your world.

- k


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KD8ERE on August 13, 2009, 10:38:48 AM
My wife got her license about a year after I got mine. We got it because she worked in one city, and I in another. We couldn't afford cell phones, so we wanted a way to stay in contact with each other in lunch breaks. She had the HT, and I had the mobile. Once we moved to where we live now, she just lost interest. She says there are too many technical aspects to learn, and she doesn't have the patience to learn them, plus it's like no one else wants to talk to her. I think a lot of women feel that male hams don't want to talk to them. Why they feel this way I don't know. I have no problem talking to anyone on the radio. So how can we get more women interested in ham radio?

73,
Ryan KD8ERE


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KE6WNH on August 13, 2009, 05:32:26 PM
Well, my friend's mother is over 70 and lives alone, so it's not hard to see why she's deadset on getting her ticket (reason: she has just about had it with cellular conk-outs)... however my 65-yo aunt, who happens to live in a retirement community where a radio club meets weekly and a larger-than-average percentage of retirees are active hams, seems terrified of written tests (never mind there are all sorts of interesting things which open up to you once you get your ticket). I sent her the link to the YLRL as well as diagrams, tables, etc. which I purposely wrote for her in a way that a third grader could understand them.

What a shame the YLRL says they have fewer than 1,000 members... plus they don't seem to have any sort of outreach program.


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K9FON on September 05, 2009, 08:08:21 PM
My XYL is a ham and she doesnt get on the air because of the general atitudes that most hams have towards newer hams and female hams. She thinks ham radio is a joke.


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K1KIK on September 11, 2009, 02:15:47 AM
My wife isn't comfortable letting someone finish a sentence before she gets to speak again.


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: W5GNB on September 26, 2009, 10:26:29 AM
"Why not more women in ham radio?"

Because Women are much SMARTER than us Male types....
Don't believe it????  Just ask my XYL!

73's
Gary - W5GNB


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: WD4MTW on September 30, 2009, 03:05:59 PM
It might be more of gender difference relating to interpersonal communications then aversion to anything technical. Witness how women have taken to computers and the net. Amateur radio hardware has been reduced to a user appliance much like a PC. If my 23 y/o niece can wire a centralized phone,Ethernet,and MATV system, a dipole or vertical antenna is not a stretch. It would probably be different if there were more women in ham radio. Most women are uncomfortable starting a conversation with a male and generally frustrated with men's conversational style. To my wife, ham radio is about endless litanies of boys toys and nobody listening to what the other has to say. Certainly not correct, but it's the impression that's given that it's a boy's club. OTOH, could you imagine if there were more women involved and catch a conversation on the local repeater between a group of women talking about friends,family,work,crafts,fashion,and their feelings? Would you be comfortable getting into that conversation? How foreign would a conversation about Swarowski bicones,cloisonné beads,selecting a mauve duvet,tussie mussie arrangements,anything Prada,Blahnik,or Gucci be to you?


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: WB5JEO on October 02, 2009, 08:45:34 AM
"To my wife, ham radio is about endless litanies of boys toys and nobody listening to what the other has to say."

Women want connection, face-to-face, in conversation. They want eye-contact and know that the listener is paying attention. (Watch as you follow any carload of women. The mirror is for watching the faces in the back seat.) They judge the meaning behind speech by watching the speaker, likely, I suspect, because they're on alert for the veiled snide comment or the other casting an eye on some perceived fashion or hair faux pas. If a man's watching, he's just trying to see if the other man has smelt his silent fart. Otherwise, men could care less. When one is telling a story, the others are thinking up one of their own to tell to top the speaker's. It's difficult to convey a deliberately mean snide remark at the brutish guy. He takes it as competitive kidding.

Now, if you could develop real-motion, multiplexed display television for HF...


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: AC0DQ on October 14, 2009, 02:49:11 PM
Unless the woman is the YL or XYL of a ham, I certainly can understand why they'd not want to associate with us misfit, beer-bellied, unshaven, poorly dressed, messy-haired bunch of societal detritus...unless they were ALSO misfits, beer-bellied, unshaven, poorly dressed and messy-haired, in which case, they'd be right at home at some of the hamfests I've attended.


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K5END on October 15, 2009, 11:15:33 AM
Consider the counter question. Why are men interested in ham radio? Obviously, there are lots of very different reasons OM pursue ham radio.


Why anyone chooses to participate in an activity or not is the payoff. This applies to both genders. If Ham radio doesn't appeal to someone it is because there is no perceived benefit either personally or socially. I didn't get involved in Ham radio for social reasons. I did it because of the intrigue of radio. However, I have made some good friends anyway I'd never have met otherwise.


________________________


quote,

"...misfit, beer-bellied, unshaven, poorly dressed, messy-haired..."


You left out "smelly."

________________________


OK, but seriously, to find out why so few of the hams are women, we have to modify the question.

Many (if not nearly all) men make the mistake of thinking women think like we do. I do not believe there is an answer to the general question, "why aren't more 'women' hams?"

It is better asked as a question to an individual woman. If you want to know why a specific woman is not interested in Ham radio, you should ask her, an individual.

________________________


Now let's all "get in touch with our feelings" and "share our experiences" about ham radio.


<say that phrase at a ham club meeting and see what happens!!!! I'd buy tickets to watch that!>


________________________


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K5END on October 15, 2009, 11:17:18 AM
...

"...you should ask her, an individual."



By the way, there is no guarantee you will get an answer.


Title: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K5END on October 16, 2009, 10:10:07 AM
You might consider posting this on the "Foxhunter" forum as well.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KB1TJK on December 04, 2009, 05:21:14 PM
Is it just Amature radio or could we throw in CB too ...

Women are wired a little diferent. Men seem to have the Three Stooges gene and women have the shopping gene.

Lately the people I've talked to mostly younger ones have no idea what Ham Radio is when I tell them the very first question they ask is what do you talk about ? They cannot understand what a guy could possibly be talking about to a stranger perhaps in another country.
I explain it this way what do you talk about at a party where you don't know anyone ? It's a good way to be socially active and it's a lot of fun.

The technical stuff can be a turnoff as woman are generally left brain not right.

I don't think this is something that just happened in the last decade or two, I believe it's always been this way.  Kap KB1TJK


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: WD4MTW on December 05, 2009, 04:14:52 PM
This book appears to address some of these issues from an outsider's and female view of the hobby. I haven't read the boook, but judging from the reviews and a peek into the availble preview, the author seems to draw some interesting, if not misandrogistic inferences about those that are attracted to the hobby. As a ham of over 36 years, I can understand why some hams could be upset with her take on amateur radio. Sometimes it's revealing what someone outside our ranks perceives about us beyond our myopia.

http://www.amazon.com/Radios-Technical-Culture-Inside-Technology/dp/0262083558/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260053102&sr=1-4


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: N2UGB on December 06, 2009, 02:56:01 AM
Maybe they have more sense and better taste.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K5END on December 06, 2009, 08:23:50 PM
...women have the shopping gene...
...The technical stuff can be a turnoff as woman are generally left brain not right.

Yeah.

It is a huge mystery.

Huge.

Insurmountable.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KB2FCV on December 08, 2009, 01:33:38 PM
My wife is a ham, she got her ticket a year or so ago. She knew most of the club members already after coming to things like field day, hamfests, dayton, etc. She does not get on the air that much.

She's had a few bad experiences, we had a club member that liked to bother her anytime I would step away for a few mins. He'd say all sorts of creepy things. He touched her. We basically had to have the guy removed from the club and threaten him with legal action. Hence, her opinion of many hams is that they are creepy, dirty old men.

She does want to get her general so she can get on HF. Digital modes and CW seem appealing to her.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KL7AJ on December 26, 2009, 04:24:48 PM
The definitive answer:   Look at the MEN

'nuff said.


Eric


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: NK6Q on April 24, 2010, 02:08:19 PM
Dale:

This discussion touches on a very interesting topic. After reading your entry, I followed your link to Amazon's listing of "Ham Radio's Technical Culture (Inside Technology)".  I was so fascinated after reading some of the excerpts that I went ahead and bought the book. 

We definitely need more women in the hobby, and we guys need to get off our duffs and do other stuff, too.  I'm into biking, and there you find a pretty nice mix of men and women.  Not 50/50, but a lot better than the ratio for ham radio.

73

Bill in Pasadena, NK6Q

This book appears to address some of these issues from an outsider's and female view of the hobby. I haven't read the boook, but judging from the reviews and a peek into the availble preview, the author seems to draw some interesting, if not misandrogistic inferences about those that are attracted to the hobby. As a ham of over 36 years, I can understand why some hams could be upset with her take on amateur radio. Sometimes it's revealing what someone outside our ranks perceives about us beyond our myopia.

http://www.amazon.com/Radios-Technical-Culture-Inside-Technology/dp/0262083558/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260053102&sr=1-4
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Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KA5N on April 24, 2010, 05:52:50 PM
You are all making this too complicated.  Most women don't become hams because they
DON'T WANT TO!  Just like they don't want to join in on the friday night poker game and drink beer and smoke cigars or join in all the other male activities we may enjoy.
Allen


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: VK3FCJM on April 27, 2010, 04:25:44 AM
After I got my license, my XYL (We're both 30 ish) noticed that there was a new radio in the 4x4 (IC-2200), and the other radio (IC-400Pro [UHF CB]) had moved to a different spot.  I was impressed enough that she noticed that small change.  She asked what the new radio was for, and she listened attentively for the 3 minute spiel.

Her question at the end of it all?  "So, if something goes really wrong and you get hurt, can I use either of the radios to call someone for help without having a callsign?"

So, she understands my interest in it all, and she can see the practical side of it, but has no interest in it herself.  Each to their own.  I'm not overly interested in her "Wine Tour" weekends either, but I can see the practical side of it!  ;D


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: AA4HA on April 27, 2010, 10:11:43 AM
I just need to listen to 75 meters any night to know why I do not want to talk to many of the guys.

Sometimes 2 meters is just as bad.

If you want us ladies to be in the hobby then you need to act like gentlemen.

Tisha Hayes, AA4HA


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KF6QEX on May 02, 2010, 07:25:02 PM
Until Matel comes out with "Ham Barbie" and the pink Jeep has a mobile Ham rig "installed" in it, not much is going to change :)



Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: W5DQ on May 25, 2010, 12:30:41 PM
.......... How foreign would a conversation about Swarowski bicones,cloisonné beads,selecting a mauve duvet,tussie mussie arrangements,anything Prada,Blahnik,or Gucci be to you?

Considering I have no idea what in the heck any of that is ???, I would choose not to be in that discussion. However should they want to talk about anything ham radio related; topics say related to antennas, modes, etc. I'd feel at ease to join in there. Nothing wrong with discussing alot of various things on the air. The main thing is to NOT exclude anyone based on the fact they may or may not understand the topic.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: EDWARDHASKINSEXN6BMW on June 01, 2010, 07:58:40 AM
The fact that a ham would ask this questions tells me that hams, as a species, have no clue about the human female.  When the human female sees an overweight, middle aged man with a call sign on his baseball cap and 4 antennas sprouting out of his car, the idea of studying hard to join his club does not occur to her.  There is nothing about amateur radio or the social misfits that typically populate this hobby that is even remotely appealing to women.  


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: N3OX on June 01, 2010, 02:29:41 PM
There is nothing about amateur radio or the social misfits that typically populate this hobby that is even remotely appealing to women.  

I'm not exactly in amateur radio because of all us sexy dudes either...

Let's break this sentence apart, into the two possibilities, second one first:

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There is nothing about ... the social misfits that typically populate this hobby that is even remotely appealing to women.

Do you think that men join up because they like the company of smelly, awkward nerds?  No.  We tolerate being around (and being) smelly, awkward nerds because we like ham radio.  I have very little in common with most hams who are friends of mine.  I'm twenty or thirty years younger than they are, I may have differing political views, I may like doing different things outside of ham radio.  But it doesn't matter much because we share the common interest in radio propagation and maximizing, in particular, DX ability of our stations for hard paths.  I do have a few ham friends who are about my age and in similar careers and who I might conceivably be friends with outside of ham radio too, but more of them are people who are more likely to be my parents' friends than mine.

Women aren't joining up for a hobby to meet men.  Women who want to be radio hams will do so because they like radio.   That's why I'm a ham.  I like radio.  I don't do it because I have a particular fondness for the other people who are on the air (no offense intended).  It is probably true that women who have been brought up in families where it was made clear that women should have impeccable manners even if men don't, the on-air behavior on parts of the bands is probably less tolerable to some women than it is to the men who are doing it.

But honestly, I find those parts of the bands completely intolerable and useless myself.  You're going to tell fart jokes on the air?  You're going to engage in "politically incorrect" blathering for the sake of being offensive and nothing else?  Even worse you're being explicitly sexist, racist, or homophobic on the air?  Screw that noise.  That's a bunch of people who I don't want to talk to using the radio for a boring and irritating purpose.  I would literally rather listen to background static .  That brings us to the first part of your statement:

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There is nothing about amateur radio ... that is even remotely appealing to women

That assumes that there's something different about men and women in the ability to appreciate radio for radio's sake, and if there is any such preference, it's at least partially the result of incessant societal pressure that science and technology are "male" things. Women are not necessarily actually fundamentally turned off by the RADIO part of radio.

My wife loves the sound of DX CW ... she loves the fluttery spooky sound of a UA0 coming in over the pole on 20m.  Actually, pretty much all of our friends, male or female, appreciate and are interested in that.  That sound... the modification of the signal as it whisks its way wirelessly from there to here, is what I'm interested in.  And it appears to have universal appeal to my friends.  Granted, most of my friends, male and female can probably be classified as "geeks" or "nerds," who care more about being interested in the world around them than in whether people think such curiosity is weird.  But they're not all science geeks... a lot of them are music geeks or art geeks or generic, free floating geeks.  And plenty of them are women.

Now, have any of those people actually shown direct interest in becoming a ham?  Nope.  I think that is where a need for home-built electronics geekery comes in.  My friends, male and female, like listening to my station but I don't think any of them really want to work out their own station to do that.  

And it's probably true on a statistical basis that "women don't like electronics."  If you did a survey, you might find that.  But that is not necessarily a fundamental hard-wiring of women.  It's part of our societal set up to subconsciously steer women away from science and technology.    Part of that background pressure away from science and technology is that everyone is always saying that women don't like science and technology.  Young children, to some (and probably large) extent, learn what they like and do not like.  They learn it from the people around them.   That's not to say that inherent biological gender differences are impossible, but people like to lean on the idea that a genetic component is of primary importance, despite a lot of evidence that girls women are often treated as if they can't do science and math even if they're expressing a current, active interest in doing so!

We will never completely untangle nature vs. nurture, but it's kind of beside the point to worry about that when we exert such massive subconscious pressure steering kids of different genders to the "appropriate" or "preferred" things.  Science and technology involvement can be a very rewarding thing, and maybe if little girls don't tend to find it themselves, we could try a little harder to introduce it to them and to make sure they have role models of women in science and technology.  If we want a little more gender balance in ham radio, one of the biggest things we can do is make sure we don't assume that "girls don't like this stuff, only boys do."

That is a largely self-fulfilling statement.  The only way to prove that it's not entirely self fulfilling (i.e. to prove that there is a genetic/hormonal component to it) is really to eliminate all the societal pressure one way or the other. That kind of controlled experiment can't (and probably shouldn't) be done on humans.  But what we can do is be aware of the subtle messages that boys and girls get and try to avoid sending them ourselves.  

Don't assume that only the boys and dads  in the neighborhood would be interested to come over for the station tour.  Bring the whole family over, give equal time to Billy and Susan and assume that their interest is the same, even if you suspect it's not...   Ham radio isn't boy stuff.  It's interesting radio stuff, and that isn't actually particular to genetics.   And as far as the overweight wacky antenna dudes go?  They're not why I'm in this hobby, even if I am "one of them."  I don't have a car covered in antennas and I don't have a callsign hat.  I think there are some pretty darn silly things that seem to go along, culturally, with a ham ticket.  They don't bother me a whole lot because I'm not interested in participating in ham culture.  I'm interested in using my radio to ping far off places and to see what comes back.  I could care less if the person on the other end has a T-shirt with an antenna sewn into it and "EVGENY, UD0RK" in flashing LED's across the back.  I just care that UD0RK and I both like beeping at each other with some tenuous plasma as the only intermediary.

If you can't fathom that appealing to women too, well... that is a big part of the problem.

73
Dan


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: NK6Q on November 08, 2010, 11:34:43 PM
Way to go, Dan!  You summed it up!

Bill in Pasadena, NK6Q
(no callsign hat or license plate)


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: N2EY on November 12, 2010, 05:58:52 PM
To N3OX:

You NAILED it, Dan!

Way to go!

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: AB2T on November 13, 2010, 12:55:32 AM
One of the best CW operators ever is a naval officer named Denise Stoops.  She used to regularly send bulletins from a Californian naval station until the station was shut down recently.  Her bug fist is simply awesome!

I don't know if she's a ham or not, but she puts many male CW ops to shame!

73, Jordan


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: N2EY on November 13, 2010, 05:18:16 AM
One of the best CW operators ever is a naval officer named Denise Stoops.  She used to regularly send bulletins from a Californian naval station until the station was shut down recently.  Her bug fist is simply awesome!

I don't know if she's a ham or not, but she puts many male CW ops to shame!

News about Denice:

http://radiomarine.org/gallery/show?keyword=DAEV&panel=pab1_5#pab1_5

----

One of the best, if not *the* best, ops I ever knew was Lou Moreau, W3WRE/WB6BBO. Simply awesome, using either code, amateur or commercial.

Lou is gone but her key collection is now at AWA, in the key room: 

http://www.antiquewireless.org/museum/annex03.htm

It should be noted that many of the youngest amateurs today and in the past were female. The "youngest Extra" and "youngest General" records are both held by girls.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: W3LK on November 13, 2010, 09:34:35 AM
Another awesome lady CW operator is Robin, AA3SB in Baltimore.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K1CJS on November 15, 2010, 04:32:27 AM
Dan, N3OX, has it pretty down pat.  The truth of the matter is that with the conversations going on over the airwaves, most women would want to join in about as much as they would want to join a women haters club.  

Another reason is that there are means of communications that are faster and less esoteric than ham radio.  Women look to get things done rather than to play around with 'toys' in an attempt to get them done, and these days, that is all ham radio seems to be to them--because of the attitude of a lot of the hams on the bands.  And lets not forget the involvement with emcomm that takes a lot of the VHF/UHF bands useages.  Women don't have to play 'save the world' like some of those emcommers do--they are usually the ones who keep the world going!

After listening to the meaningless tripe and the bullsh*t that seems to dominate most bands these days, I can't say much more than I don't blame them!  


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K9FON on January 11, 2011, 01:27:47 PM
Why are we concerned about getting women into this hobby? I dont go out of my way to want to get into scrapbooking or other female interests so why do we feel we have to pressure women into our hobby? I dont worry about it. My girlfriend has her interests and I have mine and we are ok with it...


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: N5RWJ on January 19, 2011, 01:48:54 PM
Is it because we men got fat?


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: W8JI on January 23, 2011, 02:04:00 AM
This was all explained many years ago on Saturday Night Live.

The real reason more women are not Hams is this is science, and they are women.

If this was about operating a stove or washing machine, or scrubbing a toilet, women would be standing in line to get in. I don't expect my wife to know to not drive a vehicle with oil spewing out or flat tires, and she does not expect me to cook or clean. We each have different specialties. That's why we mutually respect each other's fields of expertise. I check the air in her tires and her oil while she washes my clothes, cleans the house, cooks, shops, and takes care of the dogs, mows, and gets my boat ready for my fishing trips.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: W5ER on January 23, 2011, 08:55:02 AM
And then the fight started. ::)


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KC9RXE on January 28, 2011, 04:41:33 AM
I belong to The W9IMS Club in Indianapolis,In and we have a great "support group" for the XYL's and other YL's in our lives called Chick Factor International W9YL. It is for hams and non hams alike the only enterence requirment for life time membership is you must be a woman. I suggest that you start a chapter in your club so that your YL's might learn to enjoy your hobby and find there are plenty of ladies in her situation. One of the other reason that I have heard many times is that there arnt alot of YL's on the air is they get pounched on by the rest of us and it sometimes overwhelms them. This is Just my 2 cents worth.
73 de KC9RXE
Mike


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: NK6Q on January 30, 2011, 02:16:28 PM
This was all explained many years ago on Saturday Night Live.

The real reason more women are not Hams is this is science, and they are women.

If this was about operating a stove or washing machine, or scrubbing a toilet, women would be standing in line to get in. I don't expect my wife to know to not drive a vehicle with oil spewing out or flat tires, and she does not expect me to cook or clean. We each have different specialties. That's why we mutually respect each other's fields of expertise. I check the air in her tires and her oil while she washes my clothes, cleans the house, cooks, shops, and takes care of the dogs, mows, and gets my boat ready for my fishing trips.


With such chauvinistic remarks, maybe that's the real reason there aren't more women hams, although there ARE hundreds of thousands of women engineers, scientists, doctors/surgeons who can challenge your insipid remarks.  Maybe you'd better take your headphones off, dig your head out from your shack, and look around at the world as it is today.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: VE2ITZ on February 04, 2011, 05:51:09 AM
Asking a woman to be interested in ham radio is like asking a guy to be interested in Knitting. Same principle.. I think it has to do with the traditional sex role models.
Although there are women out there more and more who are becoming more technical.

Us men we have more trouble joining a knitting club.


Traditional Roles are changing. It is us men that have a harder time adapting to new situations.



Just my two cents.....

 ;)


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: W7WIK on February 05, 2011, 08:36:27 AM
I don't know many women who would want to hang out with a bunch of overweight stinky old men, some of who wear orange vests with fake gold ham radio badges.  ???


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: N3OX on February 05, 2011, 09:55:35 AM
I rarely know what the hygiene and body size of the people I "hang out with" on the radio is.  They're voices or beeping from some other part of the world.

If male hams were all hard-bodied good-smelling supermodels, there would probably be more women attracted to hanging around ham radio events, but they wouldn't necessarily be doing it because they were interested in the radio.  Those women that are interested in the radio don't care too much about the attractiveness of the participants.  And when you're on the radio it doesn't matter anyway.

However, it's probably not very fun to hang out with people who narrowly define you only in terms of sex, knitting and washing dishes.  That could make it so that women who are interested in radio and antennas and propagation and keep them away from our hobby.

It's not really hams' fault.  Our society is fairly uncritical of the fact that we just accept things as "traditionally female" or "traditionally male" in such a strong way that we teach our children those things from the time they're born.  Yeah, girls like pink. How many times have you seen someone paint a baby boy's room pink? (outside of someone who was trying hard to make a statement to their peers about gender...)

We give boys tool sets and toy cars to play with and girls baby dolls and Barbies and we don't seem to recognize that no one ever tries it the other way.  Boys like to work on cars and girls like to make dinner?  No kidding.  We told them that's how it is.
And many people are scared to try it the other way... they don't want "unmarriable" girls or "feminine" boys.

To a certain extent kids are going to interact with their peers in a way that reinforces traditional gender roles, and I don't think that it's necessarily a great idea to try to undo generations of subtle conditioning in one set of kids by intentionally deeply messing with that.  But there are little things we can do to improve the situation.

But I'll say it again: when you invite the neighbor kids over to your station, don't assume that 8 year old Sally is disinterested in "technical boy stuff" because she's a girl.  She's EIGHT, which means she's interested in EVERYTHING.  Will she also get interested in sewing, knitting, and fashion design by the time she's an adult?  Probably.  But then you get things like this:

http://www.dianaeng.com/2010/05/make-online-collapsible-fabric-yagi-antenna/

And 8 year old Jonny might actually end up a lot more interested in COOKING than antennas.  But if he's got the nerdy techy side and is a good cook, he can be the next Alton Brown.  The more opportunities we give young people to find their niche, whether it seems "traditional" or "weird" depending on gender, the more likely it is that they'll grow up to find things they love to do and are good at.

'Course that's not everyone's priority, but anyone who reads this thread because they think more women should be in ham radio should take some time to look critically at how we basically hand technical and science things to our little boys and basically withhold them from our little girls.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KB5ZSJ on February 13, 2011, 10:11:38 PM
My wife studied one day and took her test and passed it the next day. I feel that more women should be in the hobby and a lot are great communicators.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: AD6KA on February 17, 2011, 05:38:04 PM
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Asking a woman to be interested in ham radio is like asking a guy to be interested in Knitting
Interesting how our society "button holes" certain activities & interests by gender.

My wife is an avid pro baseball & basketball fan, knows all the players, their numbers,
stats, obscure rules, what team is where in it's division,who's being traded, all that stuff.
I couldn't care less about sports....<yawn>
But I keep a nice garden.....a flower garden, not a vegetable garden, and
am a member of the local Daffodil and Daylily Societies, and two garden clubs.
(When the bands aren't open of course, I have priorities!)

Rosey Grier, who played Defensive Tackle in the NFL for 11 seasons,(twice in the Pro Bowl)
is well known for his serious pursuit of hobbies not traditionally associated with men, such as macrame and needlepoint.
He has authored several books, including "Rosey Grier's Needlepoint for Men", in 1973.

No sissy this guy, he was a member of the 60's L.A. Rams "Fearsome Foursome"
who Dick Butkus called "the most dominant line in football history."

The others were Lamar Lundy, Merlin Olsen and Deacon Jones, a tough crowd even
back in that era. (No sitting out a game for a "sore ankle" in THOSE days!)

An interesting historical footnote: Rosey Grier was in the kitchen of the Ambassador
Hotel in L.A. when Bobby Kennedy was assassinated, and was one of the fellows
who took Sirhan Sirhan to the ground and disarmed him, albeit too late. Another
vey famous athlete in that room was Rafer Johnson, the 1960 Olympic Decathalon winner,
 who was serving as Ethel Kennedy's bodyguard. Yeah, I know, who cares?


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K5MF on February 27, 2011, 06:10:49 AM
XYL - Doesn't that say it all? 

I refuse to use that term.  I haven't accepted it from the first time I heard it.  Just hearing it gives me that uneasy feeling when I know something isn't right.  It is one of the most disrespectful, sexist, and demeaning terms in any hobby that I have seen.  Stop calling the person YOU fell in love with and decided to marry an "EX" anything. Refer to her and every woman as the amazing creatures that they are.  I would be totally lost without my wife, not because she cooks, cleans the house, or does the laundry -- we do these things together and/or when it is obvious the other is in no mood to do it on any given day.  I married her because we are best friends and would do anything for one another.  I like her company and don't run to the shack to get away from her.  She is my wife and my partner.  I enjoy being with her and doing things with her.

With that said, she is not interested in ham radio for whatever reason. I don't care what that is. She humors me by asking questions now and then until I figure out she is just doing it to show an interest. But she just doesn't want to do it.  I am perfectly fine with that and will find time to share the things she wants to do.  She gives me time to do Ham radio, it is my responsibility to manage that privilege by not abusing it and knowing where to draw the line, most males cannot do this.  In summary, I love my wife more than ham radio.  I am not sure most Hams can say that.  My wife will cook a casserole or bake a cake for our field day or meetings, because she wants to, not because it is her job or duty.  And I will go see girl movies with her because doing so gives me pleasure to see her get pleasure.

I teach middle school students and I will tell you it is changing and changing fast.  By far my most successful math and science students are my girls.  Yes there are still more males in STEM fields but that is by choice and certainly not capabilities.  I suspect mainly because of the nurturing thing, but again it is changing.  We are seeing this change and at an exponential rate.  In fact many sociologists are very concerned about the role reversal we are seeing and the fact that we are losing many of our boys not just away from technology but away from life in general.  There are very few role models to teach our boys how to be gentlemen.  The ramifications are very scary.

I think the term XYL should be banned from ham radio and replaced with MWL for MY WONDERFUL LADY.  We should all take a course in how to be a gentleman.  And frankly, a course on how to be respectful to ourselves and each other wouldn't hurt either.

With that said, I will also add that these issues are not unique to ham radio nor to men's groups.  I find it kind of sad that men and women are becoming such polarized and exclusive groups because we really do compliment one another very well.  I think we have too much free time on our hands.

Sad, at least to me.  Now excuse me, I am going to breakfast with MWL.

Tom
AE5QB


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K1CJS on February 27, 2011, 08:20:02 PM
XYL - Doesn't that say it all?..... 


Tom, It may be seem the way you describe--to you--but that term is not meant to be demeaning, not in any sense.  It is simply part of the ham radio jargon.  Bikers have, for many, many years, called their girls "old ladies".  Other groups use similar terms, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear what some of the women call US--when they're in their own circles of lady friends.  We have terms like "old farts" when it comes to some of the older members of our own group!

Too many people today look at the words instead of looking at what is actually meant by those words, and the net result is the continually widening rift between groups.  I firmly believe that we ought to step back and look at meanings of the terms we use instead of just taking them at face value.  We would all be better off for it.

BTW, XYL simply means ex-young lady.  Whatever is wrong with that?


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K5MF on February 28, 2011, 05:21:26 PM
XYL - Doesn't that say it all?..... 


...bikers for many, many years, called their girls "old ladies".  Other groups use similar terms, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear what some of the women call US--when they're in their own circles of lady friends...

BTW, XYL simply means ex-young lady.  Whatever is wrong with that?

"Circle of lady friends."  That implies right there that ham radio is a "circle of man friends."  Hmmm no wonder most women don't want to be a part of it.  What is wrong with calling your wife an ex-young lady?  Start referring to her in that way in your everyday conversation and see how far it gets you. I know of few women who would consider the term "ex-young lady" flattering or respectful. If I called my wife that, I'd be getting a skillet to the head. Just because the term is "tradition" doesn't make it any less derogatory or disrespectful.  The N word was used for decades and it is no longer acceptable today.  Unless of course you are a member of that fraternity of old farts called the KKK.  At the very least, the term XYL certainly does nothing to entice women into ham radio. 

Can't we come up with something better?


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K1CJS on March 06, 2011, 08:28:42 AM

"Circle of lady friends."  That implies right there that ham radio is a "circle of man friends."  Hmmm no wonder most women don't want to be a part of it.  What is wrong with calling your wife an ex-young lady?  Start referring to her in that way in your everyday conversation and see how far it gets you. I know of few women who would consider the term "ex-young lady" flattering or respectful. If I called my wife that, I'd be getting a skillet to the head. Just because the term is "tradition" doesn't make it any less derogatory or disrespectful.  The N word was used for decades and it is no longer acceptable today.  Unless of course you are a member of that fraternity of old farts called the KKK.  At the very least, the term XYL certainly does nothing to entice women into ham radio.  

Can't we come up with something better?

Everyday conversation, yes.  WE shouldn't.  But that isn't what we're speaking of here.  Here, its within the fraternity of ham radio.  In that fraternity, to her being called an XYL, we're referred to as OM--old man.  I don't take offense to that, and neither do the majority of other hams.  Why should we have to?  Today, too many people take offense too easily at the spoken word.  Too many people try to change the meaning of words because they don't like them--or try to change traditional terminology that has been in use for ages.  We, as a society, have to put an end to that.  BTW, how many times have you found yourself using terms that your parents used--terms that you once thought old fashioned or outdated?  I'll bet it's pretty often!

If we use the term 'XYL' in everyday conversation, yes, you're right.  But when we use it on the air or around other hams at a hamfest or clubhouse/club gathering?  When used there, as a part of our jargon, there is NOTHING wrong with it.  The term simply means the woman you're married to.  The term 'YL' means the woman you are not yet married to.  (Yes, you can get in trouble if you use both!  :) )  OTOH, I wonder what YOU would do if you heard some of the things your wife calls YOU when she's talking to HER friends.

If your 'XYL' gives you a skillet to the head when or after you use it in conversation with another ham, then I can say only one thing.  You're p**** w******, (BTW, THAT isn't a complementary term either.) and you really don't have an XYL--you have a ball and chain!    


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K5MF on March 06, 2011, 04:03:39 PM

If your 'XYL' gives you a skillet to the head when or after you use it in conversation with another ham, then I can say only one thing.  You're p**** w******, (BTW, THAT isn't a complementary term either.) and you really don't have an XYL--you have a ball and chain!    

Fair enough, in the meantime, there still aren't many women in ham radio.  I would suggest it is the male macho attitude that keeps women out of ham radio and other male dominated hobbies. I guess you can write it off to "boys will be boys" or men have to have guy time to do and say guy things. Bull! There are a lot of traditions that are no longer acceptable today.  So if that is the only reason we have to describe our wives in those terms, then we have bigger issues than just tradition. The problem with most guys is they don't know when and where to turn it off.  So OK I'm PW and that's Ok with me.  I've been happily married for 38 years and I am OK with that.  If you said that to insult me or put me on the defensive, hold your breath.  Do want you want, say what you want.  We are trying to answer the question here as to why there aren't more women in ham radio.  The bottom line is just go ask them.  They will tell you that most of ham radio is just a bunch of old guys talking about their obesity and prostrate problems.  Why would any lady want to be a part of that? Heck, we can't even get many young men and children to be a part of it. 


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K1CJS on March 08, 2011, 08:08:35 PM
Fair enough, in the meantime, there still aren't many women in ham radio....  The bottom line is just go ask them.  They will tell you that most of ham radio is just a bunch of old guys talking about their obesity and prostrate problems.  Why would any lady want to be a part of that? Heck, we can't even get many young men and children to be a part of it.  

Tom,

First, let me apologise for targeting you with that remark.  What I should have said is ANY ham that gets it from his wife for using ham terminology when talking to another ham is PW.....

Now that I've said that, I'll just say that in your last post, you're right.  Most women don't want to get interested in ham radio for those reasons--but I still disagree that we should change terms that are not meant to be derogatory just because certain people don't like them.  There is too much of that going on already.  Too many people today have thin skins--and it never used to be like that.  

In many ways, this world of ours is changing for the better, but in many ways--perhaps more than for the better, it is changing for the worse.

73,  Chris, K1CJS


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K9MHZ on March 22, 2011, 10:57:28 AM
Kassy wrote: "you have to find out what attracts them, and do it.  You can't just hope they'll "discover" your world."

Kassy, I have no idea who you are, but that was the best post in this whole thread.

Cheers,

Brad, K9MHZ




Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KF7ITG on May 29, 2011, 12:35:30 AM
Hot Young Ladies are attracted to the bad boys and the excitement that goes with them. At the next Hamfest look around. Turning the power up on a 1500 watt amp while setting at a fold up table is not the same as turning the key to 1968, 1000 HP Fire Engine Red Camaro that has questionable license plates. This guy never has to work and always has a pocket full of cash. He is always saying come on lets go do (.........) it will be fun. If you catch my drift, I'm saying you will need to combine something dangerous, sexy and exciting with ham radio :-\ :-\ When that happens......Hot Young Ladies everywhere. But you will need to remember talking dirty on the air is an FCC no no. But by then you will be a Bad Boy and the rules don't count. Your new hot, tall, redhead with the skirt that is waaaaay to short will be listening to every word you say on her new IC-7000. So make that contact count and that contact shouldn't be DX either:o Just a thought but perhaps a change is in order. XYL " X young lady = old woman." How about some new terminology like dumping the XYL to something more appealing like HYL to describe your significant other. Of course if you prefer to keep Ham Radio a guy thing then by all means then continue to call the girls that you talk about on the air old women.  :P  Then again I could be wrong.  

73 8)


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: WX3K on June 04, 2011, 05:36:33 AM
<SNIP>

If this was about operating a stove or washing machine, or scrubbing a toilet, women would be standing in line to get in. <SNIP>

???  ::) OMG, Are you kidding me ? I dont think so !

Everyone needs to face up to the following fact when considering how Ham Radio will continue to capture interest regardless of gender:

FUN is contagious. If someone sees you enjoying yourself, then they too want to be involved too or at least watch you. Are you having fun with this hobby ?



Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K9MHZ on June 23, 2011, 07:24:50 AM
FUN is contagious. If someone sees you enjoying yourself, then they too want to be involved too or at least watch you.

Excellent point.


Had a nice chat at Dayton with a lady who was standing in a long line at Dayton (the Badge Man's LONG line...ugh).  Classy person, bright and friendly.  Her husband was a great guy, too. She was an Extra Class, so I became interested in knowing what drew her to the hobby, since nothing seems to work with my wife.   She explained that she most enjoys the community of it all.  She'd see friends pass by as we waited, and it was clear that she really enjoyed interacting with other hams and their wives, and especially if the wives were also amateurs.

Anyway, I've seen it before, and hopefully this isn't an overly broad conclusion.....I think women are most attracted to those aspects of the hobby that involve something social.....setting up and/or attending events, setting up testing sessions, club meetings, etc.  True, their numbers are few, but those who enjoy ham radio seem to be social creatures.  Not bad considering that so many male hams are pretty awkward and introverted.   

Like Jimmy Buffet says....Girls Rule!

   


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K4SRG on August 25, 2011, 08:26:33 AM
I am a woman in Ham radio. I love listening to the DXing going on when my husband is doing his thing on the bands that he is able to access. I am still only a technician class because I am in school for my masters degree and haven't had time to study for my general class so that I have all the bands that give me access to all the ones that he is getting the DX stations on. I find it very interesting.As soon as I am done though I will be studying to get my general class so that I can gain access to these bands too.

 I really think that if more women knew more about it, then they would like it too. The excitement of talking to people in other far away places is what has drawn me to the radios.

We have a 2 yr old daughter who we have already given a radio that does not work anymore so that she can learn now to talk on the radio. She gets up every morning and points to the radios and makes sure that daddy turns them all on. She already knows the call CQ.

73's
Sherry KJ4GQK


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K2WLO on September 19, 2011, 12:42:28 PM
My wife isn't comfortable letting someone finish a sentence before she gets to speak again.

Thanks for the laugh!! Still choking on my coffee.....


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K3NPO on February 01, 2013, 02:21:55 PM
Anyway, I've seen it before, and hopefully this isn't an overly broad conclusion.....I think women are most attracted to those aspects of the hobby that involve something social.....setting up and/or attending events, setting up testing sessions, club meetings, etc.  True, their numbers are few, but those who enjoy ham radio seem to be social creatures.  Not bad considering that so many male hams are pretty awkward and introverted.   

Like Jimmy Buffet says....Girls Rule!

I got my license originally because my husband encouraged me to do so for us to use our radios together when skiing... but then I was fascinated by the communities and other usage, I especially love listening into the local repeater around here. I'm up to my extra, decided to go all the way not necessarily because I needed all the access, but because once I started w/ the tests I just couldn't stop reading and studying so figured why not.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KD8IIC on February 05, 2013, 10:37:20 PM
 I actually don't miss them. This is one of the Last male dominated activities around.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KB1UJS on February 06, 2013, 08:39:22 AM
My wife is a technician class ham.  She got her license while helping my then-8 year old son though a technician license class.  He didn't end up passing, but he's interested in trying again now that he's almost 11.  But I digress.

My wife isn't an extremely active ham, but she's probably more active than a lot of license holders.  She checks into our club's weekly net about once a month, and has actually served as net control several times.  The big draw of ham radio to her is the public service aspect.  Our club provides communications for several community events every year, and she loves both performing the public service and the social aspect of a group of hams getting together.  She is interested in HF as well, but the General class test intimidates her a little.  She is more than capable of passing the test with some minor effort in studying, but with four kids in the house that are taught at home she doesn't have the time right now.  She has shown some interest in trying out her privileges on 10 meters, but conditions haven't really provided a good opportunity.  I think it's time to get out the General manual again and get her thinking about upgrading this spring.

I feel that our local radio club has been instrumental in helping my wife get into ham radio.  We have several female club members, two of which hold leadership positions in the club.  When my wife had some suggestions for activities to improve our hamfest, they were listened to and actively supported by the club.  If my local radio club was made up of a bunch of stinky curmudgeons like some I hear described here and elsewhere, I wouldn't be hanging around either.  I am blessed to have a diverse group of folks with interests all over the ham radio spectrum in my club.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: WB6DGN on February 17, 2013, 09:37:17 PM
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Men are constantly about women for staying fit and trim and "looking good".  Take one look at a ham club meeting and most women will realize this is NOT the direction that men have been asking THEM to go.
AARP Journal mentioned this - after age 50, most women get more physically active.
To date, in my experience in ham radio, more women are found in the physically active parts of the hobby

Might that have something to do with the fact that men are more prone to back and joint issues?  Perhaps this, in turn, is due to the hard physical work that many men have done during their working lives while the women in their lives lounged around the home or, at most, sat at a desk at the office.

Speaking for myself, I was an active water ski racer well into my '40s and now I am paying the price for that.  Numerous degenerating disks in my lower back AND neck.  Not the kind of thing that makes you want to run around the block two or three times after work.  In my case, I have only myself to blame for my issues but, for many men, that kind of injury was the result of their work.  Perhaps the ladies would prefer to be the breadwinner so their husbands could stay healthy in their later years???
Tom


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: WB6DGN on February 17, 2013, 10:43:59 PM
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With such chauvinistic remarks, maybe that's the real reason there aren't more women hams, although there ARE hundreds of thousands of women engineers, scientists, doctors/surgeons who can challenge your insipid remarks.  Maybe you'd better take your headphones off, dig your head out from your shack, and look around at the world as it is today.

WOW!  I read Tom's post as an attempt at humor, and a pretty good one at that!  I know I got a chuckle out of it and I'm sure a lot of others, women included, did as well.
If there is truly a group that is "turned off" by ham radio, perhaps its the dead-pan, sober faced crowd that takes themselves far too seriously that is responsible for it.  Everyone, women included, is attracted to people who have a good sense of humor and that, sadly, seems to be in short supply among the ham radio crowd.
Tom


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: WB5ITT on February 18, 2013, 12:03:22 PM
My XYL is a ham and she doesnt get on the air because of the general atitudes that most hams have towards newer hams and female hams. She thinks ham radio is a joke.
Depends on the area...in my area, all newer hams are older, retired or close...Ive been licensed since age 14 (and a member of QCWA for some time)....and the new hams have no respect for those before them (but they were on CB/freeband...they KNOW radio right???...yeah, Ive been "playing" with 50KW AM and 35KW FM transmitters for years in broadcasting...and numerous rptrs, working through the sats and talking to the shuttle, etc...but I dont know anything in their eyes....I welcome a woman who learns her ticket and KNOWS the info...however, I also know a number of YLs and XYLs (as well as OMs too) that just memorized the test and dont know squat (some of them DO want to learn but when they ask questions, the power hogs dont want to answer...a local club president once said "this bunch just doesnt need to know technical stuff" but HE is afraid of losing his power and they keep reelecting him.....need I say more?)
This service/hobby needs YOUNG blood...the teen and 20something age range....An ex girlfriend of mine just graduated with her Civil Engineering degree at age 34...I dont think she is interested in radio though...she is more into building bridges, etc for the railroads..and I am happy for her...but ham radio clubs (at least the ones I know) have snubbed the younger generation...we were there once and a lot of us got our tickets but then forgot you need to keep the process going....or you end up stagnant and not moving...Most of the new hams I know only care about emergency operations and spend their time checking into nets and acting important as if they are in control...but when the real thing happens, they are no where to be found (Hurricanes Rita and Ike were good examples in my area..I had to work through them...but none of the "important" hams were to be found)..What happened to having FUN and enjoying the hobby and RESPECTING those who came before? I grew up reading about the old homebrew gear on 6 and other bands and the history of this hobby...Love the legacy gear (first station was a NC300 and T60)....and also the new stuff..but the newer hams have no appreciation for those who made this hobby great....and that includes those WELL before my time...When my elmer passed away, there were only 4 of us at his funeral who were licensed hams..though he helped well over a hundred or more get their ticket and was club president/trustee for many years and one of the nicest persons you could have met...I felt a little bitter that those he helped didnt show their last respects for him at his funeral...Yet, if one of the new "CBhams" passed away, I bet the place would be packed.....


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KB3YJO on February 25, 2013, 02:27:05 PM
listening to some of the idiots on 80meters AM its no wonder females dont want to get involved.they dont like that kind of x-rated talk.my xyl stepped in as i was listening and she said what the hell are you listening to?
if we all act civil and polite,we will get more females.40 meters seems to be a more civil band.IMO.
i love all bands and freqs.just adding my 2 cents.there really is no room for gutter talk if you ask me,but some hams think they are howard stern.oh well.
if we want more folks we must lead by example.
73,KB3YJO


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K1CJS on March 04, 2013, 09:27:50 AM
Might that have something to do with the fact that men are more prone to back and joint issues?  Perhaps this, in turn, is due to the hard physical work that many men have done during their working lives while the women in their lives lounged around the home or, at most, sat at a desk at the office....

Could well be that that is one of the contributing reasons that women live longer lives too.  But I digress. 

To actually keep a home fairly clean and looking good takes a lot of work.  If a man has a wife who he thinks stays home lounging around the house, but has a clean home and his supper on the table without him having to do much around the house besides repairs and really heavy work, he has a wife who DOES work at home just as much as he works at his job.  And he is even more of an unseeing lout if his wife also has a job outside the home--even if it is part time--and he STILL has that clean home and his supper made!

To keep house IS a full-time job, and any man who has had to do so while his wife worked as the family breadwinner realizes that.  Any man who has those things and doesn't, certainly does deserve it if his wife regularly gives him an earful about HIS failings!


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: NK6Q on March 05, 2013, 12:17:16 PM
For those who are still following this post: a while back, based on this discussion, I purchased a copy of Kristen Haring's dissertation "Ham Radio's Technical Culture".

Good read for us older guys who remember the Cold War, the 60's, Heathkits, etc.  I'm putting it up for auction on Ebay, if anyone's interested.

Bill in Pasadena
dit-dit


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K8QV on March 10, 2013, 04:41:04 PM

<<The calibre of men in the hobby has something to do with it.>>

This.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KK4APV on March 12, 2013, 09:34:11 PM
"Why aren't more women in Ham Radio?" was the original question.

Perhaps more easily, I could answer, why am *I* interested in Ham Radio.

I've been in love with radio since I was a kid, when I'd stay up to the wee hours listening to the radio, carefully rotating the dial and keeping track of which AM radio stations I could reach and which station was the furthest away (and doing all this surreptitiously so that Mother and Father didn't discover me staying up way past bedtime).

The very idea that we live and move and have our being in the midst of a plethora of silent, tasteless, invisible radio waves, and that with the right equipment we can TUNE into those radio waves is just so very cool.

And now, as a 53-year-old female, the kids are grown and gone, and I work from home at a small business and I have a little spare time on my hands, and I finally can invest a little time and money in this most magical of worlds - radio.

I've been in loved with radio for 40 years and Ham Radio is just so much fun on so many levels. As I tell my women friends who are often flummoxed by this "hobby" of mine, "some people do crossword puzzles, some do sudoku and some people enjoy memory games. I play with ham radio."

As to some of the unfortunate stereotypes proffered above, women come in all shapes, sizes and TYPES.

We're a diverse bunch. I was the first girl in my community to take Auto Tech. (Best class I ever did take.)  I do not understand the appeal of "Scrapbooking," and I'm highly allergic to shopping malls, clothing stores and fancy shoes.

And I thoroughly enjoy Ham Radio.

An interesting aside, after I get my general license, my husband went ahead and studied for his technician's license. In other words, I got into this first and he followed. How often do you hear of *that* happening?  :)

Rosemary Thornton
KK4APV





Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KB4QAA on March 13, 2013, 05:55:27 PM
Once the original question is sufficiently resolved the Corollary must be addressed:

"Why aren't there more men involved in quilting, and what are you doing about it?"

:)

At a certain point, it really doesnt' matter if few woman care for ham radio.  Feminism has pushed the idea for the last fifty years that men and women are interchangeable and identical.  Therefore we men are chauvinist and must apologize for any differences in behavior, interests, or employment. 

Poppycock.   Viva la difference!


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K9MHZ on March 14, 2013, 05:53:19 AM
As to some of the unfortunate stereotypes proffered above,

Rosemary Thornton
KK4APV

I'm not exactly which remarks are those to which you're referring, and I certainly hope not mine.  The gist is the OP's posting as well as the long stream of replies indicate a pretty genuine desire for more women in our hobby.

I don't get the "unfortunate stereotypes" part, but then again, I'm just a guy.

Girls rule.

 


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KK4APV on March 15, 2013, 08:58:39 PM
As to some of the unfortunate stereotypes proffered above,

Rosemary Thornton
KK4APV

I'm not exactly which remarks are those to which you're referring, and I certainly hope not mine.  The gist is the OP's posting as well as the long stream of replies indicate a pretty genuine desire for more women in our hobby.

I don't get the "unfortunate stereotypes" part, but then again, I'm just a guy.

Girls rule.

 

The "unfortunate stereotypes" were not that numerous, actually.

However...

When I attend ham events with my male friend, there is an assumption that he's the ham guy and I'm just the chick getting dragged around to this stuff.

If only I had a nickle for every man who asked, "So, when are YOU going to get your license?"

It does wear thin after a time.



Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K9MHZ on March 16, 2013, 06:49:25 AM
Oh, you could have some fun with that, Rosemary.  Give the condescending tool a few minutes to really dig himself a hole by asking him about ham radio and telling him how smart he is.  Then have a friend call you on your HT which is out of view.  Answer with your call, and ask if he had any luck finding you an antenna analyzer that breaks the reactance into capacitive and inductive components.



Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K8OCN on March 17, 2013, 06:10:57 PM
I can't tell you about a lot of Women, but I can tell you about 2, my Wife just is not intrested in any way. My Sister is retired, has a 100 ft tower for her wind generator. She has done a lot for me over the years and I was overjoyed when she told me she would like to get her license. I set her up with some books and a account on www.hamtestonline.com and she was passing her General regularly. I told her to go to her local Radio Club and ask them about the testing sessions in her area.
She would not say what happened but she never went to be tested, she was unimpressed in the class or lack there of with the people she talked with at the club. All she would tell me is "I don't think they want women there"

I only know this because I had purchased her a used TS-2000 for her first rig and she called me to say she no longer wanted it and had no intrest in Amateur Radio anymore.



Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K9MHZ on March 17, 2013, 07:41:08 PM
Sheez......sorry to read that.  It doesn't surprise me, though.  More women in the hobby might mean more hams actually having to bathe and wear something presentable.

Tell her to not give up hope; there are lots and lots of good people out there, men and women.



Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: N9KX on March 20, 2013, 01:54:28 PM
My Sister is retired, has a 100 ft tower for her wind generator. She has done a lot for me over the years and I was overjoyed when she told me she would like to get her license. I set her up with some books and a account on www.hamtestonline.com and she was passing her General regularly. I told her to go to her local Radio Club and ask them about the testing sessions in her area.
She would not say what happened but she never went to be tested, she was unimpressed in the class or lack there of with the people she talked with at the club. All she would tell me is "I don't think they want women there"

I only know this because I had purchased her a used TS-2000 for her first rig and she called me to say she no longer wanted it and had no intrest in Amateur Radio anymore.

i wish she had brought a smart phone with her and had video (or just audio).  The fool(s) who turned her off to ham radio would be exposed and the ham community could give them a little feedback


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KK4APV on March 22, 2013, 04:25:28 PM
Oh, you could have some fun with that, Rosemary.  Give the condescending tool a few minutes to really dig himself a hole by asking him about ham radio and telling him how smart he is.  Then have a friend call you on your HT which is out of view.  Answer with your call, and ask if he had any luck finding you an antenna analyzer that breaks the reactance into capacitive and inductive components.



I *really* like the way you think!!! 

:)

Seriously, I could share a few stories about some of the crap I've run into. Just a couple months ago, I had an Obnoxious Old Ham Guy laugh out loud IN FRONT OF SEVERAL MEN and *really* carry on about how sad it was that I had to study to pass the General because "it was so easy."

He added, "If you had to study for the General, don't even bother ever trying for the Extra."

When my male friend and I walked away, my male friend said, "What a jackass."

In other words, Obnoxious Old Ham Guy hurt himself a lot more than he hurt me.

Rose


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KK4APV on March 23, 2013, 11:54:26 AM
PS. to the above.

I just returned from Charlottesville, VA. I sat for the Extra exam this morning and passed!!  Only four wrong! 

:) x 100!



Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: N9KX on March 23, 2013, 02:50:52 PM
Congrats!   :)


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K1CJS on March 24, 2013, 06:46:16 AM
Congratulations! 


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KQ9J on March 24, 2013, 07:29:22 AM
KK4APV:  Congratulations on the test!  Good job!

My wife has no interest in getting a ham license, but she often asks me if I have made any good DX contacts or found anything interesting on the air. She listens intently and is genuinely interested when I tell her about my operating, or plans for this and that antenna or radio. AND she told me before we got married that I could put up whatever I wanted for antennas!

She is too kind to say much, but I know she thinks some of my male ham friends are kinda weird. Hell, they ARE, LOL.

But the last swapmeet we went to we met not only the surgeon who who worked on me twice, but another physician who happens to be her audiologist....and they are both hams. I think that helped her realize that there are at least two other hams out there who aren't socially inept, unwashed or ugly :)


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KA1VF on March 28, 2013, 07:30:45 AM
I'm making an educated guess that the percentage of women Hams
and the percentage of women Hunters would be quite similar stats.

      73,
          Bob


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KK4APV on April 02, 2013, 05:34:36 AM
I think there are *probably* more women hams than hunters.

However, I do have two women friends who love deer hunting. I think I must hang out with a different crowd of women.  :) 



Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KI7DG on April 02, 2013, 11:05:34 AM
Well I guess you could make the mistake I made.  I was talking my wife into getting her ham ticket, as a selling point I casually mentioned that they had made the tests so easy that even a woman could pass it.  END OF DICUSSION!!!.  The topic was never mentioned again and she never lets me forget either.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K1CJS on April 03, 2013, 04:01:22 AM
Well I guess you could make the mistake I made.  I was talking my wife into getting her ham ticket, as a selling point I casually mentioned that they had made the tests so easy that even a woman could pass it.  END OF DICUSSION!!!.  The topic was never mentioned again and she never lets me forget either.

I'm not surprised--look at the uproar that the Geico commercial about over the internet caused a while ago--"Insurance so easy (over the internet) that even a caveman can do it!"

Hey, they do it to us too.  How about the one 'Cooking so easy that even a man can't mess it up...'   ;D  It's too bad that people are so easily offended these days.  Now the political correctness is even coming between a husband and wife....


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: W2TXB on April 16, 2013, 11:00:45 PM
My XYL is a ham and she doesnt get on the air because of the general atitudes that most hams have towards newer hams and female hams. She thinks ham radio is a joke.

My XYL was a ham until she let her license lapse. My YL (i.e., wife) is a ham, but is not all that active, probably due to a lack of time and that she has several other hobbies.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: M0PXI on April 24, 2013, 12:20:02 AM
I passed my RAE in 2002 when there was a morse requirement.  I self studied while pregnant and passed within two months from start to finish.  However I have only recently begun to operate and so far it has been a hideous experience.  In the last two months I've been subjected to a barrage of accusations that I'm unknowledgable, and helpless (largely by local hams that believe I should be a helpless damsel in distress).  When I show that I am not only a good operator but fairly competent at electronics, I have my gender brought into question with suggestions that I am secretly a man or that I must have a large Adam's apple.  When I have transmitted on the local repeater I have keyed down to discover other operators making rude remarks of a sexual nature.  Now I'm quite capable of dealing with these idiots myself, but other female hams may be put off by this.  It's more than a little annoying.  The experience I've had could easily lead me to conclude that the social development of hams is thirty years behind everyone else, and that manner, linguistic and communication skills are limited, by and large among many men in the hobby.  I'll try to give the benefit of the doubt for the time being and reserve judgement until I've been around a little longer.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: WI8P on April 30, 2013, 11:29:42 AM
Being a newbie, I'm late to this party, but I just wanted to let folks know that when I took my test in Flint, MI two weeks ago, there was a very nice young lady giving the exam.  So they are out there!


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KO3D on May 05, 2013, 06:46:48 PM
My wife was listening to the local repeater. Someone "kerchunked" it and within 10 seconds a guy was on screaming about how it was a violation of FCC rules and a misuse of the repeater and demanded the guy ID. 'Nuff said.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: M0PXI on May 07, 2013, 06:53:50 AM
Okay then, time for an update.  Credit where credit is due and a climb down from me.  In the last couple of weeks I've operated more and more frequently locally and it has been brilliant.   I've engaged in some fascinating debates, spoken to some lovely people and, cannot fault my colleagues locally.  It seems what I had initially was a good dose of unpleasantness all at once and that lead me to feel a bit hemmed in and beleaguered.  Since then, I couldn't be happier. Perhaps negatively reviewing the entire hobby after a couple of months of participation was not my brightest move.  Glad I was wrong.  So I'm going to have another stab at answering the question.

Most of the girls I know are joined at the wrist to their cell phones.  With pricing plans and whatnot providing easy global communication for little money, combined with VoIP tech being readily available to most tablets and phones, I guess the appeal of Ham radio as a tool of communication only, seems a bit ridiculous to most women.  Of course it isn't that end product that solely appeals to licensed enthusiasts.  The electrical engineering, the excitement of good propagation and landing global contacts (and I use that expression deliberately because the appeal of HF operating strikes me as a lot like that of fishing), the sometimes competitively technical discussions, time consuming home brewing, the attention to detail, etc., doesn't immediately impress women.  In purely pragmatic terms, it is expensive, ugly (antennae are a work of art to me but nobody I know agrees with me), dangerous, fiddly, time consuming and a pre-existing boys club, when compared to a straightforward texting session or chinwag with the lasses on a phone.

Unfortunately this will always be true.  No matter how often I regale my girlfriends with stories detailing how advanced technology owes a great deal to pioneering radio amateurs and how lovely it is to be accepted into a hobby with operating codes of conduct and manners (notwithstanding my last comment on the subject), they just smile and change the subject.  The two most technically gifted engineers I know are women (one of whom worked for a cell phone company repairing microwave circuits and before that fixed radar equipment for the Ministry of Defence) just don't get my enthusiasm.  So I'm not convinced by the argument that women's brains are not wired up to be technical.  It's a question of women just not being that turned on by that which doesn't produce a better end product than existing equipment (a good reason, I reckon for high divorce rates too - heeeheeeee).

Now given my climbdown from my previous comment, let a single one of you gents make a remark about women and mood swings and I'll be happy to escort you to the emergency room to have my Baofeng surgically removed.  Joking, of course ;) x


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: W4KVW on May 14, 2013, 06:20:49 PM
They would rather talk on the phone to all of their friends who are NOT going to go get their ticket & everybody knows HAM RADIO is NOT "PRIVATE" conversations. {:>)  :o

Clayton
W4KVW


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KI4TON on May 16, 2013, 08:14:27 PM
These comments show some of the reasons.  I will list my experience. As an example, though I don't expect old dogs to learn new tricks.

1. No one over the age of 13 should be called a young lady. (What worked in 1950, may not be appropriate today. Just sayin')

2. No one should be called an xyl under any circumstances.

3. When I first got my general license, the  reaction I got from (male) hams = women don't know anything about technology. They rushed to "explain" things to me in simple terms. Beyond insulting. (I have a degree in mathematics, could have gotten a minor in physics if that department wasn't full of a bunch of annoying old men, and I spent 18 years working in technology.) Did  I mention it was insulting? I didn't usually even ask questions to get the explanations - they just assumed I didn't know. (The only reason I didn't take the extra test, was I thought it would be poor form to have an extra license before I made my first contact.)

I was in amateur radio for about 3 months, before I had all I could take. I put the radio back in the box. I doubt it still works. Recently I got tempted by 2m and APRS. but that didn't last either.

Now I don't think I have a thin skin, but for enjoyment, putting up with this insanity is not very enjoyable.

And all you guys complaining of the rise of Political Correctness - yeah, it was much better when white men didn't have to think about anyone else - if you were a white man. For the rest of us, not so much.

Debra KI4TON


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: W6GF on May 26, 2013, 10:49:22 PM
Because Ham radio stores don't sell shoes

George, W6GF


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KK4APV on June 03, 2013, 03:33:55 AM
Hear, hear!

That "Young Lady" thing needs to go.  Definitely NEEDS TO GO.

And I've suffered insults from men at Ham Clubs who ask, "So little lady, when are you going to get YOUR license?"

When I tell them, "I've got my General," they usually shut up.

In fact, I recently upgraded to Extra, just to show them that I am serious about this.

And as to the comments that women are presumed to be idiots, OH YEAH. I no longer ask for help on radio/antenna problems from ANYONE in the ham club, save four good men that I trust. The other "men" in the group would just not stop with the, "Is the antenna plugged into the back of the radio? Is your coax broken? Is the power on?"

REALLY?

Rose



These comments show some of the reasons.  I will list my experience. As an example, though I don't expect old dogs to learn new tricks.

1. No one over the age of 13 should be called a young lady. (What worked in 1950, may not be appropriate today. Just sayin')

2. No one should be called an xyl under any circumstances.

3. When I first got my general license, the  reaction I got from (male) hams = women don't know anything about technology. They rushed to "explain" things to me in simple terms. Beyond insulting. (I have a degree in mathematics, could have gotten a minor in physics if that department wasn't full of a bunch of annoying old men, and I spent 18 years working in technology.) Did  I mention it was insulting? I didn't usually even ask questions to get the explanations - they just assumed I didn't know. (The only reason I didn't take the extra test, was I thought it would be poor form to have an extra license before I made my first contact.)

I was in amateur radio for about 3 months, before I had all I could take. I put the radio back in the box. I doubt it still works. Recently I got tempted by 2m and APRS. but that didn't last either.

Now I don't think I have a thin skin, but for enjoyment, putting up with this insanity is not very enjoyable.

And all you guys complaining of the rise of Political Correctness - yeah, it was much better when white men didn't have to think about anyone else - if you were a white man. For the rest of us, not so much.

Debra KI4TON


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K1CJS on June 03, 2013, 04:27:08 AM
With due respect, ladies, you've got to grow a thicker skin.  All too many of the ways that we used to address people are now thought to be demeaning, when they're not meant to be that at all.  OM (old man), YL (young lady) and XYL (ex-young lady, really meaning married lady) are all part of the tradition of ham radio--from way back when morse code was the most widely used mode there was.  Most two and three letter abbreviations used in ham radio have their origins from back then.  (The most popular example of that is the Q codes.)  It is, was and always has been faster and simpler to use abbreviations when using code, abbreviations that everyone in the hobby knew the meaning of.

Personally, I have nothing but respect for the ladies who have the courage to venture onto this site and enjoy this hobby, but changing the traditional ways of referring to people when no disrespect is intended, in my humble opinion, goes too far.  People never used to take offense to words so easily, and the fact that some now do just goes to show--again in my opinion--that this world is not getting more civilized, it is indeed regressing from civilization.  

In all fairness, however, the term "Little Lady" is not proper and never has been.  That is one term that I agree should be gotten rid of--indeed, it should have never been used at all.  

Added:  Finally, just reading through this thread and some of the comments made here about women is enough to put even the most open minded women off the desire to get their ticket.  One comment made here comes close to summing it up:  If we want more women to get involved, we men have to act like gentlemen--AND treat the women as equals, not as people who don't know anything about what they're trying to get into.

73!



  


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KH6AQ on June 03, 2013, 08:06:31 AM
Ladies (and gentlemen), to experience real amateur radio learn code and work CW. You will avoid all that you don't like about amateur radio and get to experience radio communication in its most pure form.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KK4APV on June 03, 2013, 07:30:53 PM
Different people like different things.

"Code" just doesn't feel like my cup of tea.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K1CJS on June 04, 2013, 03:50:25 AM
Ladies (and gentlemen), to experience real amateur radio learn code and work CW. You will avoid all that you don't like about amateur radio and get to experience radio communication in its most pure form.

But if they do that Dave, they would be exposed to exactly what they want to avoid--those two and three letter abbreviations that they're so dead set against using?

BTW, did anyone notice that the abbreviation OM wasn't mentioned--till I mentioned it?


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: W4KVW on June 10, 2013, 02:25:20 PM
Ladies (and gentlemen), to experience real amateur radio learn code and work CW. You will avoid all that you don't like about amateur radio and get to experience radio communication in its most pure form.

I passed the Code test & have NO INTEREST in using it other than for a RARE DX contact evey now & then.It gives me a headache pretty quick so it's NOT enjoyable which is not why I enjoy Ham Radio.If it's not FUN I'll pass on whatever mode it is.I'll stick with SSB,AM,FM, a few digital modes on HF & 6 meters & some D-STAR & leave that NOISY CW to others who ENJOY it.It's about having FUN & helping your fellow Man & Woman when you can. {:>)   ;D   :)   :D

Clayton
W4KVW


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K5KNE on June 24, 2013, 03:05:52 AM
My wife and I have been hams over 50 years.  There was a time when she was very active, but other things took priority and she only uses UHF to talk to me now. Women have a lot of other interests and things that must be done which use all the energy and thinking they have. Sitting around chatting on the radio is just not one of them. She has done it all in the past but now she has other things she had rather do.

It is just a hobby. 


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: NV9L on August 13, 2013, 12:51:32 PM
I know a lot of women who have their ticket but never get on the air. When I asked why, I was told that it's because some of them were afraid someone's going to ask them something technical. I've constantly tried to get my friends into this hobby, but to no avail. When you're at the technician level most communicate via local VHF repeaters. The typical conversation on most repeaters consists of radios & antennas, physical ailments (the Gout net), or some other typically male oriented subject (cars, trains, computers etc).

Up here they started a once a week YL only net. They talk about broader (no pun intended) non-technical subjects; like movies. I think if you can keep them active at the tech level you will be able to get them to move up in class. Where (in my opinion) the real fun is at!

But things they are a changin ~
1-2 years ago when I was in a contest, I swear I was one of the only YL's out there. But now I hear YL's all the time in a typical contest.

Valerie ~ NV9L


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: AJ4SN on August 13, 2013, 02:00:42 PM
I'm not sure what the reason is, but the phenomenon is not restricted to ham radio. Nearly two-thirds of the students enrolled in college today are women, yet the number who major in math, physics, chemistry, computer science, and engineering is very low. However, there are actually more women than men in the life sciences (biology, health, etc.) and in the social sciences.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K0IZ on August 17, 2013, 03:34:32 PM
Eight pages of comments.  Wow.

There is a Dilbert cartoon out there on youtube about poor Dilbert going to be an Engineer.  As an engineer myself, I would have to say that many (most?) engineers and computer programmers are rather nerdy.  Probably how we are wired.  Better with tech things than people.  Dress code can be rather vintage.  I think some of the expressions used in ham radio are retro 1950's:  XYL, YL, Little Lady, Hi Hi.  Time for some of us to get out and about and update.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K1CJS on August 18, 2013, 05:24:32 AM
Just an observation, but in these times it just seems that more women are drawn to the professions where they can help and or interact with people.  Men are shying away from those professions.  For one thing, that's why you see more and more women doctors.  Men, on the other hand, are drawn into the professions where they work more with things and concepts, and for the most part don't have extended interaction with people. 

Ham radio, while not a 'profession' per se, is primarily in the category of things more than people even though people are involved.  Maybe that's why there are so many of the "Five, nine.  73!" type contacts now and fewer of the extended ragchews (except for the older men talking about their personal problems!) that some of us lament.

Of course, there are exceptions--on both sides.  That's just the way it seems to me around my area of the country.  73! 


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: JA1ML on August 20, 2013, 05:02:47 PM
Many women are not informed about radio, so they need an introduction and a mentor to push them along.
73


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KZ3JFY on August 30, 2013, 10:21:06 AM
I love being a ham! I joined a club and immediately became involved on the club's repeater and yahoo group. However, a club member recently sent out an email that he has been questioning how the YLs can be more proficient. Now I know why the other YLs in our club are rarely heard on the air. I hear more mistakes by OMs than YLs, so I don't get it; single out us YLs as opposed to addressing everyone, since everyone needs to improve regardless of whether they are an OM or YL. I think more of us YLs would be actively rag-chewing if they didn't get that kind of reception.

Allison
KZ3JFY


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KB4XV on September 08, 2013, 09:16:08 PM
I got my novice in 1981. That night I sent out my first CQ on 40 meters. The response was from a lady in Texas. We had a nice talk and I told her she was my first contact. She said she was going to note in her log book that she was my first contact. I thought it was neat that it was a lady as there were not many on the air back then. I have since lost my log book and will never know who she was.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: N3ZJ on September 13, 2013, 01:29:15 PM

My Elmer was a female: Ruth, WA4FEY, who encouraged me many years ago (1965!). I am eternally grateful. Also, another interesting counter-example: W3CUL.
http://hamgallery.com/qsl/country/USA/Pennsylvania/w3cul.htm
Be careful in your judgements and generalizations.

JIm N3ZJ



Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: KC9YTJ on September 13, 2013, 01:54:56 PM
The person who encouraged me to get my ticket was Bobbi, W9KIZ.  And she'll always know more about radio than I ever will.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K2GWK on October 28, 2013, 12:14:56 PM
Ladies (and gentlemen), to experience real amateur radio learn code and work CW. You will avoid all that you don't like about amateur radio and get to experience radio communication in its most pure form.

Rant On

Alright, here comes the crap. This is a great example of how women may be put off, or for that matter any ham that chooses not to use CW. Insinuating that only "real" hams use CW is stupidity in it's purest form. When will they ever learn. Making a statement like this does not make you a "Real" ham, it makes you a "Real" moron.

Rant Off


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: N9KX on November 01, 2013, 08:31:56 PM
i think his point was that with CW you don't hear a person's gender or accent and it is a mode that does not lend itself to the kind of rants and condescension that voice is more prone to.  it is also a great way to experience the history of our hobby.

i suppose he could have meant you are not a real ham if you don't do CW, but that is not how I took it. 

i do though get a kick out of the saying that if you don't know morse code, you don't know dit  ;)



Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: K1CJS on November 02, 2013, 05:58:09 AM
Ladies (and gentlemen), to experience real amateur radio learn code and work CW. You will avoid all that you don't like about amateur radio and get to experience radio communication in its most pure form.

Rant On

Alright, here comes the crap. This is a great example of how women may be put off, or for that matter any ham that chooses not to use CW. Insinuating that only "real" hams use CW is stupidity in it's purest form. When will they ever learn. Making a statement like this does not make you a "Real" ham, it makes you a "Real" moron.

Rant Off

Well I didn't see it the way the last poster ('AIM) did at all.  I saw this just the way 'GWK did.


Title: RE: Why not more women in ham radio?
Post by: N5XO on November 10, 2013, 03:25:38 PM
One of the discouraging things in the ham world is that more women just don't seem interested in getting into the hobby. My buddy convinced his 70-yo mother to get her ticket after the Chino quake disrupted cell phone service, but to this day, I haven't been able to convince my 65-yo aunt to do likewise, despite the fact that she lives in a retirement community in AZ where there's no shortage of hams to talk to. Likewise my nextdoor neighbor's county building inspector---who is very enthusiastic about studying for his Tech, but he hasn't garnered much interest from his wife and daughter when he suggested it would be a good way for them to keep in touch while the daughter is at college out of town.

Is it just the stereotyped image of the ham of yesteryear, with a shack full of rigs and wires everywhere, which has been turning off women to joining the hobby? If so, we need to work on changing it. Ham radio is a handy hobby to have when other methods of communication let us down.

73, Marty

or maybe local clubs should look to who they cater too? Our local Simplex Club the Unusual Suspects {www.wx5us.us} has had not only amazing luck with women joining the group, but we have had a good number of spouses, girl friends and daughters attend our activities and enjoy themselves so much they have gone out and gotten a ham license themselves. Several have been married for a decade or more to husbands who are Hams and never had a single bit of interest in the radio's. They joined in for one reason or another some of our meetings, group activities, etc and in the last three years we have had 8 Spouses/girlfriends and one 15 year old daughter, not only join the group but tested and gotten a license. They are not only now HAMS but active in club events, and on the air activity.

In fact we have even had the ladies in our group start up a Ladies only Net on our local repeater called Girl Talk every Thursday evening at 7:pm on 443.025 + PL 82.5.

I think what Sets us apart is our activities are not "good ol boy events" but family aimed and about enjoying the hobby and this attracts the attention of all genders and age groups.

So the question is not why are women interested, it's why are clubs doing more to generate an interest.