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Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: OLDSWAB on August 04, 2007, 12:39:24 PM
I know I am a cb-er but if I read the FCC rules right it states that CB equipment shall ony be used on the CB Band Not Ham equipment. Now I seems that a lot of Ham equipment is being used on the 11 meter band and then the same people are talking about going up to 6,2 or other places on the same equipment. How would the Ham group feel if I were to bring my CB/Ham radio up on 6 or 2 or even 10 meters and do the same thing.Would you talk to me if I used my "Handle"? I dont have a license for the Ham band!!  I see no way to correct this problem unless they slip and give out their call sign and you know that won't happen. So if you happen to hear me up on your freqs. giving out a "CQ" come back and maybe I can send you a QSL card!!!!!   73's OM


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: AI0F on August 04, 2007, 02:44:09 PM
Amazing! Cbers have been using ham radios on 11 meters for years...the old FT-101E series was sold to more non-licensed cbers than to ham radio operators. Maybe you're not old enough to remember? I wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement, chances are what you're hearing are cbers using fake callsigns...I don't know any hams personally that would waste their time getting on 11 meters with any kind of equipment! The way the license structure is today, I don't see how anyone could not pass the test...to coin a phrase from a tv commercial..."a caveman could do it"...


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: OLDSWAB on August 04, 2007, 06:37:44 PM
I guess you didn't get the point! #1 I may be old enough to be you father.#2 What I said was Hams are using Ham equipment on the 11 meter band. I always hear from your group that thats a no-no. Yes I could get a license but that is not what is being discussed here.There are of your fellow Ham operators that think its ok to use their equipment on band not alloted to them and they are the persons who I made mention about. If what you are saying is all you worry about, maybe we should all get a general license and then go to any freqency and exploit our grace for all to here and not give our call sign as we should when using Ham equipment. Just use a "handle" and leave the power set wherever is to your content. Because it is "Ham Gear" and has more than alloted for the 11 meter band. Now did that make things clearer???


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: K3JVB on August 05, 2007, 06:28:43 AM
Hi
What makes you think that are licensed hams?
Why would they want to be on the 11 meter band?
Makes no sense...
JohnB


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: AI4NS on August 05, 2007, 02:31:26 PM
Ham equipment being used on the CB bands is illegal. It is not type accepted (or whatever the FCC calls it these days)for use on that band. A CB can be used on amateur bands, but it would have to be modified to do so, and then could not be used on the CB bands again. Bottom line, legally the two are not interchangeable. Does it happen? Absolutely. Is it legal? No. Will they get caught and punished? Not likely. The FCC is not spending a great deal of resources on enforcement in either the CB or Amaetur Radio services these days. They rely on self-policing.

Mike
AI4NS


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: OLDSWAB on August 06, 2007, 12:07:25 PM
Sorry to inform you I cannot get them to give their call signs but why would you buy a Kenwood 430,520,Icom 775,Yaesu Mark5,FT101,and the like and then modify it to operate on the 11 meter band. Is'nt that a unlawful modification?? I for one cannot see any good usage of good equipment for that. Oh sure there have been many modifications of cheap 10 meter radios but why go to all that trouble to make a good Ham equipment work on 11 meters. Like you say you are suppose to self check yourself but if you don't know who it is how canyou control it??  


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: K4OHO on August 08, 2007, 08:24:16 AM
The "mod" is generally to allow operation on MARS frequencies which are outside amateur areas.  The mod itself is not unlawful.  The use of the radio other then on MARS or amateur freqs is. Its generally nothing more than moving a jumper or clipping a component on a board.


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: WR8D on August 08, 2007, 08:54:18 PM
OLDSWAB,

They're not my fellow amateur operators...here in East Ky and Southern Wv they're part of a bootleg group that has actually grown up on the freebands. For some useless reason they passed their amateur tests and most are now extra class...but they still bootleg on cb and as you say...use their ham gear on 11 meters.

One reason i guess is they can now call up any of the amateur supply stores and legally buy amateur equiptment such as fancy hf rigs and hf amplifiers. All they then have to do is put the mars mods in the rigs which all the companies will furnish to you free of charge if you can show you have a MARS license. Most of the mods can be found though on the net by simply looking for what kind of rig you have.

There's tons of nice folks coming into amateur radio from the cb ranks....there is an outlaw element though from the freeband ranks that are the dregs of the earth. No respect for rules etc and act on the hambands just as they do on cb.

Yes guys....you've read this right.

Why would anyone waste the time to pass the extra class exam and then use their amateur rigs on cb you say??

Well the answer is "there's no cure for dumbass". I could'nt believe it either myself when i first found it out. I had to bring in the fcc to establish control back on two meters here where i live. They would sit around and never id themselves but they'd use their cb handles on the repeaters and on hf. See if you've been called a cb handle since you were five years old and now you're 35 and still a bootleg piece of crap....Well that's all they know...oh yeah but they do try to hide behind a vanity extra class one by two now. They can't hid...there's no cure as i said and you can't cover up dumbass either.

My two cents on chickenbanders with amateur gear and a "wasted" call sign.

73 John WR8D

"yep earned that call the hard way"
Bootleg chickenbanders around here got to know Riley pretty fast.

Nuff said!  


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: WR8D on August 08, 2007, 09:05:08 PM
I forgot to add to my spew above. A few times through the years i've ran across people using a sk's call sign. Yep you guess it...cber getting on the hambands using some amateurs call sign that has passed away.

You guys would surprise yourselves if you'd start checking peoples names and qth. Sometimes it all does'nt add up right. Sure there's stations that have moved and not forwarded their mailing address right just yet....but there's a lot of bootleg junk going on too.

73, John WR8D  


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: KG8JF on August 10, 2007, 05:31:17 AM
I have some objections to real hams being concerned with the term, "handle".  I was a ham when 11 meters was part of the ham bands and the term handle was simply what your mama called you.  I really disdain the frequency police, and the ham radio police.


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: W9WHE-II on August 14, 2007, 11:23:22 AM
What is the big deal?
One more ham "dumbing down" and the differences between ham and CB will be inconsequential. Why not merge the two services along with GMRS and FRS?  That way, everybody could become an arrl member and purchase over-priced, recycled arrl publications and help fund arrl retirement accounts!


W9WHE


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: KG8JF on August 16, 2007, 11:50:38 AM
I absolutely agree!  There is no good reason for a guy who wants to do radio not to get a license.  All ya got to do is study the manuals and memorize a few answers.  There is no cw test anymore to weed out the cavemen.


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: ONAIR on August 23, 2007, 02:40:26 PM
   Plenty of hams are on 11 meters using regular CB equipment, and why not?  11 meters has quieted down a lot in the last several years, and it is an excellent means of short range radio communications.  Why should hams tie up precious spectrum space or repeaters to chat locally, when they can just flip on an inexpensive CB unit to chat with someone in the area?  You can get a new Midland CB at Amazon.com for around $25 bucks, so why run up hours and mileage on a $1500 rig to speak to someone just a few miles away?


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: KA5ROW on August 26, 2007, 12:54:55 PM
Ham Radios on the CB band

As stated earlier it's not a so called type accepted.  Type accepted is probably some legal term
To prevent just this from happening.  
There is bad blood between Cber's and the Licensed Ham Radio operator. " From just exactly from what you described".  Getting ham equipment and using at anywhere you dam well please. 2 M, 6M, and 10M,  I wouldn't be surprised to see slow scan, digital, of FAX on the 11 meter band.  

My theory is that a CB operator can get a radio useful from 26.500 MHz to 27.999 MHz. That's where the CB crowd hangs out. 100 watts of power plus FM  all in one box. And the prestige of having one of those big ham rigs. What a waste.

Of course the ham radio manufactures are at fault for this. With today's technology chips in ham rigs could be made not to work from anywhere in the 27 MHz band and, still be modifiable else where for MARS or future amateur band expansions.


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: ONAIR on August 26, 2007, 10:11:16 PM
    Some of those radio manufacturers made a lot of money selling ham rigs to the CBers.  Some old Kenwoods were favorites among the CB and freebanders crowd.


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: W7ETA on August 28, 2007, 12:00:12 PM
Me thinks he is sturrrrring the pot about CBers using ham gear.


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: OLDSWAB on August 28, 2007, 03:13:24 PM
I;m sorry to say that these Hams are using equipment made for the Ham bands on 11 meter!! You can hear them discussing the different functions of their equipment and what they have as far as  microphones or antenna tumers and antennas. Also there are times if you listen they will brag on how much power they are running and,"Your are off frequency to me on this "--"radio. why dount you tune in with your claifier." You know that a CB radio is not suppost to have the claifier cut loose.  THATS A NO,NO!!


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: ONAIR on August 28, 2007, 05:05:29 PM
   OLDSWOB...   Why don't you just get off the Chicken Band and get a ham ticket already?  Then you can complain about the CBers using CB rigs on 10 meters!


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: NE5C on September 06, 2007, 04:16:14 PM
John you're not wrong in my opinion (For what that's worth!) Your exactly right, The Law, is The Law! But then again there really are Pot Smokers and Cocaine users that will ask you..."Wow man...what's wrong with a little Weed?" "What's wrong with a little Booger Sugar?" And such is Life... as long as there are USERS there will always be those ready to Market and supply the DEMANDS whether they are LEGAL...Or NOT! I enjoy reading EVERY TIME...The FCC acts and fines some of these individuals, Free Banders and so forth. "Go Get Em Boy's and Make good EXAMPLES out of every one of em!"


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: ONAIR on September 07, 2007, 12:22:34 AM
   The FCC stole 11 meters from us hams and gave it to CBers in the 1950s!  Don't ya think it's about time that they give it back to us?


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: KB5DPE on September 29, 2007, 07:57:43 PM
"The FCC stole 11 meters from us hams and gave it to CBers in the 1950s!"

Not exactly!  11meters never "belonged" to hams nor does any other band presently "allocated" for ham use.  Frequency bands are ALLOCATED (loaned) to a particular radio service, in the US, by the authority of the FCC for an indeterminate period of time and are subject to reallocation by the FCC at their will.  For example, the "ham" 420 to 430Mc allocation has been reallocated to the Land Mobile radio services, including Public Safety, in some parts of the country.  While I was still working, I regularly repaired hand helds on 428.xxxxMc belonging to a local police department.  Perhaps when this reality is understood, hams will be less resentful of those who now operate on previous ham allocations.
Tom


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: ONAIR on September 30, 2007, 01:25:47 AM
  I understand.  Well "lending" 11 meters to CBers for the past 50 years has caused tons of chaos, so how about lending it back to us hams now?  After all, most of the CBers are on the freebands using ham rigs now anyway.


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: WR8D on October 13, 2007, 09:31:06 AM
People referred to as radio police = any ham that simply loves this hobby and its traditions and wants to keep it at least looking and sounding like amateur radio...."not chickenband". Nuff said about that one....

Frequency cops or police.....that's a hard one. Some net groups think they own a frequency so maybe they're the ones called frequency cops. Pay them no mind. If the frequency is not in use after we ask then simply use it. Never qrm a net or a qso like the chickenband/extra class of today does.

Imagine if we don't "police" ourselves like we always have in the past, and like we have been "taught" to do, what the bands will become?

I did'nt sink literally thousands in rigs amplifiers and antennas to be a dumbass cber or to sound like one either. I despise them getting an amateur license and then coming into the hobby hell bent on turning our bands into their version of glorified cb. This is exactly what most of them are doing too.

I've heard roger beeps on 20m and cb handles being exchanged between stations instead of amateur call signs on several bands. This is amateur radio and it's worldwide. We have rules to abide by...as well as time honored traditions from country to country that we all abide by. One would think that an extra class amateur would alreay know this, i guess there must be something in the water most of them are drinking. Maybe if G5RV would include instructions on proper operating proceedures these types could start to get the idea!!!

Either make the amateur license and become an amateur radio operator or just stay on cb. We don't need your cb attitude or any of you idiot operating practices on the hambands. We had enough problems with our own before you decided to come onto the scene.

Nuff said.

--... ...-- for those of you that know what it means!

John WR8D





Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: WB6MMJ on October 20, 2007, 01:10:29 AM
As was said, they have done that for a long time now. But you are right. Ham gear should have no place on C.B.
  What gets me is that allot of these people who run C.B. have Ham licenses and they bring their bad operating habits along with the C.B. jargon to the Ham bands.
  I wish they would decide which side of the fence they are on. Choose a side and stay there.


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: KD8Z on November 04, 2007, 02:58:07 AM
Hams are in part responsible for ham equipment being used on cb, in ebay you often see some silly statement by the ham seller like, "it is illegal to use this equipment on cb", or "it is illegal to use this equipment on any band without a license", or something like this that actually attracts the unlicensed, it does not always say "I will not sell this equipment to any unlicensed person."

Show me copy of your license!


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: KD4AC on November 06, 2007, 04:01:53 PM
"What makes you think that are licensed hams?
Why would they want to be on the 11 meter band?
Makes no sense..."

Sorry, I've heard CBers on 11 meters AND on "freeband" who admitted being an amateur radio operator...even describing their station down to the tower and HF antenna.  Just face it, amateur radio operators are hypocrites.  They bitch about operating practices of CBers when a lot of amateur radio operators are guilty of the same thing.


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: OLDFART13 on December 08, 2007, 03:25:27 PM
Yup, all dem der ham operators are really just a bunch of hipocrit CBers.

10-4
SteveO


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: OLDSWAB on December 29, 2007, 02:06:52 PM
I am the original poster and sounds to me that you have had some dealing with using "Amateur gear",  in the past. As I said in the begining,and will stick to what I say.Why does it still happen.I personally do not have any bad feelings twards the community of Amateur Radio Operators. They do a great amount of good things for our world. However me being a long standing 'CB'er" and "SWL'er" have heard and have been talked to with phrases like, Your off frequency, or when you going to get some good equipment, or get on frequency or I won't talk to you.  This occurs on theSSB end of the CB band very frequently.Now the same people have been known to say things about their own equipment that are not common in CB equipment. This continues on to when those same people will say just came back from XXX freq. and the skip was great. After that if you listen long enough you find out that when they are using that same equipment on lets say fourty meters and come back to eleven meters the will say ,"wait a minute I have got to retune". Now as for trying to turn them in.Every time I have written the F.C.C. nothing would happen!

 Furthermore if you would listen on the "freeband and or the eleven meter band you might here some of you buddys yacking. Would you turn them in? Today with the vanity call letters how is to say that an oldtimer or a newby is chatting or calling skip? This is what I have said before and I will say it again. Should I purchace some good Amateur Equipment and start calling on you Ham frequencys would you check on my call sign to see if it was ligitimate?  How long do you think I could get by with doing that?  I do not hate the Hams or what they do. Here me out. I am still a CB'er and will be until I pass. I started back when the cakepans were the only five watt transmitter and I had a Morrow converter with power pack attached to a Halicarfter S-38-B. We had one channel and a push to talk switch.all of the swithing of antenna was done by hand. Yes we had to have a Amateur Radio Operator check out our equipment to make sure the input did not exceed five watt.  Now I hope this will let you know I'm not a junny come lately.  I built most of my antennas and untill they started comming out with superhet units I was very happy witht modified Radio Shack one channel tranceiver. That took some changing with a relay swith and ten extra channel sockets. Still had the receiver combo except used the car radio for the audio receiver. Put this unit in a car with a six volt vibrator supply and a buggy wipe one hundred two inch wipe. I think the longest distents I got on ground wave was ten miles. Now hows that for telling it like it is.
Jim, hope this is good enough for you answer. 73's


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: KD8Z on December 29, 2007, 09:28:15 PM
In english please!


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: OLDSWAB on December 31, 2007, 09:06:06 AM
Let me see. "Legal", we;ll I guess I have been legal since oh I guess around 1954. Thats when I started building electronic circuit and going into different electronic things that were not working and managed to get them going.It had to be about '56 when I got my Novice licence and built my first 6v6 cw transmitter. Had an old ARC-5 Receiver I got going with a home made power supply.Us old farm boys didn't have much money back then. My 75 foot center feed antenna run east and west from a two story farm house and I only had two crystals for 75 meter cw. band I had fun tapping out "CQ", and made I think close to 50 contacts.Well that transmitter was I guess legal. Found a good buy on an a 38-b Radio and made some more contacts. It had a cw tone built in. I had some buddys who were into Amateur radio and there dads were Hams. They allow me access to there gear on 75 Meter. Had a lot of fun. Now when I went into the Navy and was eventually placed on an Aircraft Carrier. I brought my 38-b onboard. At sea I could not use it because of radiation from the oscillator which could be seen 5 or 6 miles out.I guess that was Illegal. During my active duty is when I built my Radio Shack Tranceiver and a good friend in Boston who was a Ham checked it out and certified it. That was W1 teritory. Well I had to uses my call sign which was 18A at the time in 1W area.Calling it out as portable 1. That was legal. I keep that radio after I got out and found a job servicing Office Business Products. Changing cars made me get a diffferent radio made for 12 volt.Every moble and base radio were factory built and had no extra power. Didn't need it. On the road I only need ed road conditions. At home mainly base to mobile.Now I can't say I'm squeeky clean and I don't want to accuse you any wrong doing. But, If you are so against the "Freebanders and Illegal "CB'er", it seens that you can do more than me to clean up that problem. I noticed in an thread on what you had to say about the Classifieds that you have another question that seems to bother you. I wont go into that. I seems your biggest concern and also KD8Z is that I have no right coming onto a Ham run forum and saying anything about Hams that would tarnish their image. There are a lot of Hams who I respect as helpfull in their community and state. You seen to be one of those and I respect that. However since you are against all "Illegals" I suggest that you start turning in those that you suspect as not "Legal". You as a ham operator have more clout than I as a non licenced CB'er.   Think about that.  73's Ted      


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: OLDSWAB on December 31, 2007, 09:06:15 AM
Let me see. "Legal", we;ll I guess I have been legal since oh I guess around 1954. Thats when I started building electronic circuit and going into different electronic things that were not working and managed to get them going.It had to be about '56 when I got my Novice licence and built my first 6v6 cw transmitter. Had an old ARC-5 Receiver I got going with a home made power supply.Us old farm boys didn't have much money back then. My 75 foot center feed antenna run east and west from a two story farm house and I only had two crystals for 75 meter cw. band I had fun tapping out "CQ", and made I think close to 50 contacts.Well that transmitter was I guess legal. Found a good buy on an a 38-b Radio and made some more contacts. It had a cw tone built in. I had some buddys who were into Amateur radio and there dads were Hams. They allow me access to there gear on 75 Meter. Had a lot of fun. Now when I went into the Navy and was eventually placed on an Aircraft Carrier. I brought my 38-b onboard. At sea I could not use it because of radiation from the oscillator which could be seen 5 or 6 miles out.I guess that was Illegal. During my active duty is when I built my Radio Shack Tranceiver and a good friend in Boston who was a Ham checked it out and certified it. That was W1 teritory. Well I had to uses my call sign which was 18A at the time in 1W area.Calling it out as portable 1. That was legal. I keep that radio after I got out and found a job servicing Office Business Products. Changing cars made me get a diffferent radio made for 12 volt.Every moble and base radio were factory built and had no extra power. Didn't need it. On the road I only need ed road conditions. At home mainly base to mobile.Now I can't say I'm squeeky clean and I don't want to accuse you any wrong doing. But, If you are so against the "Freebanders and Illegal "CB'er", it seens that you can do more than me to clean up that problem. I noticed in an thread on what you had to say about the Classifieds that you have another question that seems to bother you. I wont go into that. I seems your biggest concern and also KD8Z is that I have no right coming onto a Ham run forum and saying anything about Hams that would tarnish their image. There are a lot of Hams who I respect as helpfull in their community and state. You seen to be one of those and I respect that. However since you are against all "Illegals" I suggest that you start turning in those that you suspect as not "Legal". You as a ham operator have more clout than I as a non licenced CB'er.   Think about that.  73's Ted      


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: KD8Z on December 31, 2007, 10:48:15 AM
Looks to me that you are indeed a troll!  Looking for an argument.  See ya!


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: OLDSWAB on December 31, 2007, 12:07:59 PM
I'm sorry you feel that way. It sounds like you might be afaid to say somthing against your bad operators. Get off of it.


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: OLDSWAB on January 02, 2008, 09:22:50 AM
My apologies to a person who has all of the correct answers to all the questions. May the wind always be at yor back and you have fair weather forever. Ted always a CB'er and and a SWL'er. 73's


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: AC5UP on January 02, 2008, 06:17:56 PM
Paraphrasing: Part 97 sez all Class-D CB gear shall be chanellized, crystal controlled, the operator shall have no means of fine tuning the transmitter frequency, be power limited to 5 watts DC input (AM) or 12 watts PEP (SSB), and be repaired only by First 'Fone licensees.

Translation: No VFO's, no QRO, no FM / CW / FSK / Digital. CB'ers get a 40 channel playpen for FCC type accepted equipment with several channels reserved for unlicensed RC use.

It didn't work out that way in practice. Ever see a Siltronix rig at a "Ham" Fest? 'Export' CB? Yeah... Me too. I've heard locals running FM on their Ranger / Uniden / Kenwood / Yaesu / Icom rigs above, below, and betwixt and between the Class-D CB allocation.

Happens all the time. Illegal, yes, but so is slow-rolling through a stop sign. (That's called a Texas Rolling Stop, BTW)

As for the reverse... It's completely legal for a CB to be tweaked into 12 or 10 Meter service. It's completely legal to home brew a transmitter for any amateur band as long as it isn't a spark rig or throws too many spurs. Some folks have even been known to take a CB up to Six. There are 10m beacons running converted CB gear and more than a few 10 Meter AM'ers radiating on the cheap thanks to a modded Charlie Brown Ray-Didio. Some of 'em sound damn good, too, especially the old tube gear.

Ain't no thing.

As for cleaning up the illegal gear on the Criminal Band... I figure that will happen a year or two after the national debt gets paid off. ;)

Fact is there are plenty of CB'ers with more money than ambition and as long as Ham rigs are considered more desirable than a CB they will run 'em.


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: KC9EOT on January 04, 2008, 09:44:52 AM
Using ham gear on 11 meters isn't what is illegal, running more than a certain power, which by the way CBrs do anyway, is what is not legal. There is nothing wrong with running a ham radio on 11 meters as long as it is at the right freq and at or below the max power allowed. That being said who wants to listen to all the filthy language that takes place on CB? We have some of that type of problem to take care in our bands but its nothing compared to CB.


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: KC9EOT on January 04, 2008, 09:51:49 AM
Before anyone comes back and talks not legal issue, I know that, what I am saying is if you run on frequency and in power nobody is going to care or know. If I were running an ICOM 7800 at 5 watts on channel 10, who would know it was a ham radio instead of a CB? Thats the point. I agree with those who say no self respecting ham even cares about CB


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: KA5ROW on January 04, 2008, 01:31:33 PM
Original Posted By KC9EOT

Using ham gear on 11 meters isn't what is illegal, running more than a certain power, which by the way CBrs do anyway, is what is not legal. There is nothing wrong with running a ham radio on 11 meters as long as it is at the right freq and at or below the max power allowed. That being said who wants to listen to all the filthy language that takes place on CB? We have some of that type of problem to take care in our bands but its nothing compared to CB.

To: KC9EOT
Your are wrong!  Ham Radios are not Type Accepted Equipment, as if that really means anything. You could look at this way. Ham Radio Equipment does not meet the Type Accepted standards set for CB radio. This does not mean that they are inferior in quality and or performance, in fact they are far superior in every way. Some government attorney wrote the rules and regulations that way as to prevent a ham radio operator from using ham equipment on CB.

But you are right if a ham was to get on 11 meters and on center frequency running 5 or 10 watts nobody would know. Why would a Ham Radio operator waste his time risk his equipment, license and a possible fine just to talk 20 Mi. when he can call CQ and be herd around the world.


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: OLDSWAB on January 06, 2008, 01:40:50 PM
OK!! Now correct me if i'm not correct. My CB equipment has a offset of transmit from receive on SSB. Now when I transmit I am either high or low from center frequency, correct. Now the F.C.C. has made this ruling that the CB radio will not have a variable frequency on transmit. This is what I as a CB'er  have been saying.These people who are using their Ham equipment on the CB band have variable tuning,correct. Not channel select only.  The first thing they say is "You are off frequency "! "I can't understand you"! "Why don't you get some good equipment"! Now like I said those are the same people who of having been on other bands and then having to retune their equipment to talk on the CB band. Ted  Its a sham!


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: K2FIX on January 06, 2008, 07:15:01 PM
Best overheard QSO

One day, whilst tuning around, heard two freeband ops make contact somewhere around 27.475.  After some discussion, they qsy-ed to 28.350, where they continued the qso, with call signs !

Any opening will find many suspiciously clean and powerful signals in the freeband.

Why bother ?  



Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: 5R8GQ on May 15, 2008, 11:02:38 PM
by OLDSWAB on August 28, 2007    
I;m sorry to say that these Hams are using equipment made for the Ham bands on 11 meter!! You can  

WHAT DO YOU CARE?
Go back to the Chicken Band with the
rest of your inbred, ignorant,nose-picking cousins!


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: OLDSWAB on May 16, 2008, 06:00:10 PM
Why cousin. Yo'all make me feel bad. After you went and got all that education.  Why I remember you using the barn yard fence for a antenna and that old bull usto go you to that fence and just beller. It looks like you come up in the world a little and got you some equipment that works better than that cake pan you had back then.You even got you a cumputer.Wow things sure change when you get up higer don't they.  
  Seriously, you are just like two friends I have had the pleasure of knowing for over 20 years. They are on an ego trip. You sound just like them.All you beleive is that if a person operates on the 11 meter band only, They are a "inbread,nose-picking cousin"!
I'm sorry for you. I think you have been living a sheltered life too long. I worked in electronics for over 40 years and may have as much schooling or more than you in electronics.But does that make me a'"inbred,nose-picking cousin"?  I think not. I am a SWL person and a 11 meter CB'r. I listen to all the chatter I can on old equipment and hear all if the trash that is going on within the 160 to 2 meter band most is clean an worked like hams should but then you have the ones who want to through their weight around. Thats when the problems make them a,"inbred,nose-pickeng cousin". Now what the new ones who are using the computers are saying I don't receive.  So why don't you just go back to Haming and your ego trips of being better than any one and maybe building a 6L6 transmitter add some voice to it and use it on 40 meters. If thats not good enough,build a 5 wttt peanut transmitter with voice and see how far you can talk.
PS:  Maybe one of these days you will stop and smell the roses.  Have a nice day! The Old Swab    


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: KD8Z on May 16, 2008, 07:48:30 PM
oldshrub you kind of brought it on your self by going amongst the lions then dangling fresh chicken bander in front of them.  BTW, hams do not hang out on the chicken band, chicken banders I'm sure tell everyone they are hams but they are all bs, they aren't hams and hopefully never will be, shame for the loss of cw though. but at least they can't type.  Its should be a crime to take a nice ham rig and butcher it into a chicken bander, they are never the same after being butchered.


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: KD8Z on May 16, 2008, 07:51:06 PM
Isn't it well past due to close this silly thread for the chicken band and their plight to legitimize stupidity


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: QRZDXR2 on May 17, 2008, 11:17:55 AM
KD8Z on May 16, 2008       
BTW, hams do not hang out on the chicken band, chicken banders I'm sure tell everyone they are hams but they are all bs,

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Not true.  I hang with the CB'ers when I travel.  Best way to get road information as well as passing the time.

Most truckers are not your common CB'er.  They use the radio for working.

One instance was when their was a big accident ahead.  3 hours wait while they hosed the concrete blood off.   The truckers already had a bypass figured out and were putting it out on (not ham band but CB band).  We followed them and went around the accident saving over 2 and a half hours of waiting.  

When we go caravaning its not ham radio that is in each vehicle.  I guess you could say that they too are dummys?  Seems to work pretty good.

Hams just think they are important people.  


 Best one radio does it all is the icom 706
 Best antenna that does it all on HF is the screwdriver.

Its not the radio but rather what its used for.


Title: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: KD8Z on May 17, 2008, 11:53:22 AM
qrzdxr2 wrote;"Not true. I hang with the CB'ers when I travel. Best way to get road information as well as passing the time."  

What does this statement have to do with this thread?  Read the thread, it has nothing to do with truckers!
Its obvious you haven't read what I said as well!
Its obvious you are not a ham as hams are proud to show their callsign, you just registered and are obviously a cb'er, so go play there with the kids at the mall.
Hams generally don't like chicken banders because the chicken band was taken from hams so the kiddies could play radio with out sitting for a test that involves some study, also, we don't care for cb'ers butchering vintage equipment so they can play big man in the neighborhood!
Finally, hams don't care for cb'ers getting onto 10 mtrs without a license and talking like fools, the one I like to quote is cb'ers use of the term; "swings" it swings higher wattage, it shows instantly that you don't know the correct terminology and you don't car to learn it nor do you want to study to get licensed, of course now with the demise of CW (dirty rotten shame) almost anyone can get a license, even you.
Why do you choose to hang out in a ham forum where you know that cb'ers are not well tolerated?  If you simply like to argue go back to the chicken band where you can track down that guy that insulted your radio, beer, antenna, wife, etc., you know I have never had a ham track me or anyone I know down to "beat me up", I guess we travel in a different crowed.
This is the last I will say about this issue and I will not continue to respond to you or the like as you seem well suited to your cb venue.  I don't have time to educate you into being a gentleman.


Title: RE: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: K1CJS on May 16, 2010, 09:50:20 AM
I think the original poster is missing one point--the 11 meter band is alloted to CB--which ANYBODY can use, no license required.  Yes, the problem of ham equipment on that band is apparant, but one poster summed it up well--the FT101 series was widely converted for use on 11 meters.

Also, I think he misses the point that there are a lot of "CBers" that use illegal equipment that isn't made for either the 11 meter band OR amateur radio.  Trying to pin ilegal use exclusively on hams is just like saying public service people are using ham equipment on public service frequencies.  There are a few that try, but nowhere the number that is believed to be.


Title: RE: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: KC8VWM on May 17, 2010, 12:13:00 AM
I'm not even sure this topic even belongs here in the site talk forum but the best answer was supplied by John, WR8D and I quote:

"Well the answer is "there's no cure for dumbass".

I think that just about sums things up in terms of this topic, don't you agree?

My Best,

Charles - KC8VWM


Title: RE: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: KC8VWM on May 17, 2010, 12:28:27 AM
QRZDXR2 says:

Not true.  I hang with the CB'ers when I travel.
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I kinda figured out where you are coming from and what you are exactly a long time ago.

My callsign is KC8VWM but apparently you don't have any callsign to give. So what credibility do you possibly have in these forums exactly? Uh huh.. none whatsoever, just as I expected.

Don't happen to like that particular arrangement ? Well it seems the answer to the impeding problem at hand is rather clear isn't it?



Title: RE: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: KB9MFB on December 26, 2012, 07:23:29 AM
I guess you didn't get the point! #1 I may be old enough to be you father.#2 What I said was Hams are using Ham equipment on the 11 meter band. I always hear from your group that thats a no-no. Yes I could get a license but that is not what is being discussed here.There are of your fellow Ham operators that think its ok to use their equipment on band not alloted to them and they are the persons who I made mention about. If what you are saying is all you worry about, maybe we should all get a general license and then go to any freqency and exploit our grace for all to here and not give our call sign as we should when using Ham equipment. Just use a "handle" and leave the power set wherever is to your content. Because it is "Ham Gear" and has more than alloted for the 11 meter band. Now did that make things clearer???

I run a Galaxy 949 mobile on 11 meter. This is an 11 meter only radio. Guys like this poster assume I am running a ham radio on 11 meter because it sounds so good. They do not know how to set their radios up to sound like this so they cry about ham operators running ham gear. I hear a couple of these guys whining every time I fire my radio up on 11 meter.  I have my other radios for the other bands and I only use them there. I run studio gear on every radio including my 11 meter radio. If you want to sound good, learn how to set your radio up. I do not care if you have been doing this for 50 years, if you think that you need ham gear to sound good on 11 meter, you need to get some fancy book learnin. As for switching bands....multiple radio are easy to run and switching between them is also pretty easy. Make sure the people you are crying about are actually switching channels without switching radios.


Title: RE: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: AC2EU on December 26, 2012, 01:20:59 PM
To get back to the original poster who asked "how we would like it" if went on the Ham bands.
Well, we wouldn't like it. If you want to be on the Ham bands get a ticket with those privileges!
In fact we have folks in the community who do "foxhunting" with direction finders.
We will find you if you make a nuisance of yourself.

People with no licenses of any kind have been running ridiculous illegal power on the chicken band for years.  It seems to be generally condoned since the CB community continues to talk to the guy with an s9 +20 signal who is 1500 miles away.
Yet you are upset because you believe that there hams with no call signs invading your band with 100 watts! I don't get it!

Clean up your band, no need to pollute ours more than it is! There's already too many ex-chicken banders on 80!!!! Sometimes I have to look at the frequency readout  to make sure i didn't accidentally get on 11 meters.
It is what it is, but at least they have call signs.

So good buddy, get yer general ticket and join the fun on 80. 10-4?


Title: RE: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: KCJ9091 on December 26, 2012, 03:13:05 PM
After more than 5 years is the op still around?


Title: RE: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: AC2EU on December 26, 2012, 05:00:08 PM
After more than 5 years is the op still around?

He probably has his General and DID get on 80 by now!
Moot point then, eh?   ;D


Title: RE: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: MAGNUM257 on December 30, 2012, 01:26:19 PM
Hi
What makes you think that are licensed hams?
Why would they want to be on the 11 meter band?
Makes no sense...
JohnB

I know several HAMS local to me that use their HAM equipment on 11m, and they ARE HAMS, I don't have to think they are HAMS, I KNOW THEY ARE HAMS. And a few of them have slipped on occasion, blurting out their HAM callsigns by accident. Why they talk on 11m? I don't know the answer to that one. It doesn't have to make sense. And it has been happening for a long time, not just recently.

-chuck


Title: RE: Hams using the 11 meter band with ham equipment !
Post by: ONAIR on December 31, 2012, 11:16:13 PM
Hi
What makes you think that are licensed hams?
Why would they want to be on the 11 meter band?
Makes no sense...
JohnB

I know several HAMS local to me that use their HAM equipment on 11m, and they ARE HAMS, I don't have to think they are HAMS, I KNOW THEY ARE HAMS. And a few of them have slipped on occasion, blurting out their HAM callsigns by accident. Why they talk on 11m? I don't know the answer to that one. It doesn't have to make sense. And it has been happening for a long time, not just recently.

-chuck
  11 Meters is just another frequency.  It was once a ham band until the FCC took it away from hams to start Citizens Band.  No reason that hams (or anyone else) could not still use it for local communications.