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Title: what is a lid?????
Post by: CHARLIEBAKER on December 06, 2009, 08:16:18 AM
what does it mean when a HAM say your a lid??? i was on the 10 meters HAM chanel and all so the 20 meters HAM chanel yester day and 3 times some HAM yell at me that im a lid!! i ast them what that mean and one a the HAMS tell me if i dont no then i must be a lid!! i ast my buddy jeff but he dont no what that mean! no body want to tell me what that means called a lid!! is it som kind a secret??? lol!!! what does it mean when a HAM yell lid at you on the chanel??? thanks


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: K5END on December 06, 2009, 08:38:00 AM
Actually, CB, it is "L.I.D." and stands for "leave immediately, dipsxxt."


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: K9FON on December 06, 2009, 09:12:41 AM
Learning Impaired D**khead.


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: CHARLIEBAKER on December 06, 2009, 10:08:36 AM
lol!!!!! i gess that is why they wold not tell me on the chanel!!! lol!!! is no cussing alowed on HAM??


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: K5END on December 06, 2009, 11:30:37 AM


loser incumbent democrat



Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: KI4VEO on December 06, 2009, 12:32:24 PM
i ast my buddy jeff but he dont no what that mean!

Oh my stars...something Jeff doesn't know?


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: K5END on December 06, 2009, 03:48:11 PM
low intelligence department

limited in depth

lithium dependent

learning impaired dolt

lewinski in disguise?





Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: KH6AQ on December 06, 2009, 04:10:30 PM
We have some LID-like answers here.

A poor operator is called a LID. The origin of the word LID has been obscured by time but the most popular theory is that it came from railroad morse operators.


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: K5END on December 06, 2009, 04:16:37 PM
Latent Idiopathic Dementia.

That must be it.



Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: K5END on December 06, 2009, 04:20:38 PM
X7G,

Charlie Baker knows what a lid is. CB is probably a very experienced ham.

He likes to see how people answer his humorous posts.

It takes a sober actor to play a drunk, and an intelligent actor to play a fool.

Whoever Charlie Baker is, he knows how to evoke a reaction with his writing.

**************
Charlie Baker, you have a gift.
Email me sometime. Address on qrz.
I promise to not reveal your identity.


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: CHARLIEBAKER on December 06, 2009, 05:26:32 PM
hello KSEND no i do not have my HAM yet but i am memerising the questins and ansers so i can take the HAM test! i have been on the cb for a long time like 2 years!! but i have not got my HAM yet but may be in a few month!! so i am just trying out the 10 meters HAM chanel and the 20 meters HAM chanel to try it out! and to shoot skip!! i am still comfuse about what lid means beacus yall have gave so many ansers an they all is diffrent!!! lol!!!! if you dont no what lid mean it is ok to say you dont no! my buddy jeff tell me it ok to say you dont no beacus some times you dont no an thats ok! but i wold like to no what lid mean beacus some HAMS yelld that at me on the HAM chanel today! lol!!! thanks


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: K9FON on December 07, 2009, 12:31:10 AM
your schtick is getting old!
hey, i heard you were a mud duck CHARLIEBAKER!!!


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: KH6AQ on December 07, 2009, 05:16:06 AM
END, I've know this since his first post. But for the benefit of those of you who are falsifying the etymology of the term LID I have answered the question.


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: CHARLIEBAKER on December 07, 2009, 03:44:04 PM
lol!!! i aint no mud duck! but if you ever want a brake on my chanel just ast an i will let yall on!! im the number one buster brown in the base back at you!! i still dont no what means a lid may be when i get on the 20 meters HAM chanel to nite i will ast some body! or just say to some HAM hey your a lid!!! and see what they say!!! lol!!!!! i get the idear that it aint good!!!! lol!!!! but it beter not mean sissy beacus i aint a sissy and i can kick but when i got to!!!! lol!!! that is the truth beacus a couppel times me and jeff go kick butt beacus a jerks on the chanel what want to start a fight over who got the brake!!! but i wold rether talk on the radio chanel then kick but!!!! but i can kick but if i got to!!! lol!!!!!


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: K5END on December 07, 2009, 04:45:06 PM
END, I've know this since his first post. But for the benefit of those of you who are falsifying the etymology of the term LID I have answered the question.

X7G, I think everyone is just having some facetious laughs about the term "lid."

I didn't think anyone was taking it that seriously.

I'll be sure to include a disclaimer on future ambiguities.

(Like this one.)


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: PULLRAFTT on December 07, 2009, 05:14:25 PM
Don't Be a Lid

by Tony, N3KTA

What, pray tell, is a lid you may ask?  Well, the word lid is ham jargon for an amateur radio operator who exhibits poor operating practices.  Intentional, incidental, or otherwise...if you make a procedural mistake, it is almost certain that someone listening will label you as a lid.  And yes, it is an insult.

I think we are all guilty of some level of "lidness" at one point or another in our amateur radio practices.  Some of us get past it, some of us don't, and some of us just plain don't know that we are being lids.  Many hams have no tolerance for lid-like behavior and get quite irate at even the simplest of liderations.  I truly believe that a great majority of these poor operating practices are not overt acts.  They are simply derived from the ignorance of proper procedures.  People will list various causes of lid behavior but I am not going to delve into that field.  I believe that you learn proper operating procedures in at least 3 simple and effective ways:  

Research:  reading about proper practices and asking questions
Experience:  getting on the air: operating AND listening
Elmering:  getting help from an operator w/ experience who has already made plenty of mistakes.
So I will offer some simple elmering tips in an effort to help try to curb common lid mistakes.  Hey, I am not perfect.  I have had my fair share of lidness so I will pass on some things I have learned (and am learning) along the way.  Like my dad always says, "You learn something new everyday".  Amen.

 

'Don't Be a Lid' Tips of the Week

January 6, 2009

Don't tune up on the exact frequency of an ongoing QSO, CQ, or pile up.  Remember, there are others trying to listen to that frequency as well.
Many DX stations will operate split mode:  transmit on one frequency and listen up (QSX) on another.  Take this DX spot for instance:
W60AR had a 80M CW QSO with ZD8UW @ 0513 UTC on 07 Jan 09.  ZD8UW was transmitting on 3509 KHz and listening on 3510.4 KHz.  SO W6OAR transmitted on 3510.4 KHz and listened on 3509 KHz.  See how that works?

This is a common practice with many DX stations...especially rare ones.  So if you hear/see a DX station working a pile up but don't hear anyone coming back to him/her on that frequency, there is a good chance they are working split.  So DON'T transmit on their calling frequency.  Instead, tune around a little bit (a few KHz up) to see if you hear stations calling the beloved DX.

A great way to see how this works is to monitor DX spots on sites like DX Watch.  The usually friendly ops will normally post a QSX frequency along with the spot.

January 12, 2009

Don't use spotting websites for comments not conducive to good amateur radio practice.  Some comments I have seen in the last week and copied from dxwatch.com:
An op posted some disparaging remark about another which generated "I dare you to say that to my face"...response "your face is too ugly".
to a DXpedition station "Why don't you go home?"
Worse- very derogatory comments...some even in other languages:
EA1** to E44M    14000.0 FAFANCULOS 1815z 11 Jan
F6*** to E44M    7000.0  expedition de MERDE 1812z 11 Jan
K2**  to N4MJ-114000.0  PH U CK - Y O U!  2150z 11 Jan
This is mega lid behavior! Please don't get caught up in this non-sense.  I am ashamed for the hobby when I see these kinds of things going on.  Ignore them and they will hopefully go away.  Or as I say...QSY and they do go away!

 

Using pirated or made up call sign is not only another mega lid behavior but it's also illegal.  Four times this week on HF I had the same (?) station come back to me using a fraudulent SV0 call.  Don't be a weinous like this guy.  ID properly.  If you don't like something I am doing just tell me in a nice, friendly manner.

-zw


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: K5END on December 07, 2009, 06:23:10 PM
Socrates said, To be ignorant of ones own lidness is the malady of liddom.

Or, maybe that was the coach in high school.


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: W7ETA on December 08, 2009, 02:46:36 AM
Like infuriating Dude.

LIDs had to use the lid from Red Man chewing tabacci tins under the sounders in order to copy CW.

Also known as tin-ears.

Best from Tucson
Bob


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: CHARLIEBAKER on December 08, 2009, 09:29:34 PM
so why did that HAM call me lid????


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: K5END on December 08, 2009, 09:57:53 PM
so why did that HAM call me lid????

If the shoe fits...

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...



Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: W7ETA on December 09, 2009, 11:16:20 AM
Cause you are like infuriatiiiing dude!


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: K4DPK on December 09, 2009, 05:36:56 PM
I was told many years ago the term originated with old shipboard spark operators, and described ops who departed from prescribed operating procedures.

Thus, they were "Lacking in Discipline".

Phil C. Sr.
k4dpk


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: CHARLIEBAKER on December 09, 2009, 06:46:12 PM
well i aint none a those things


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: W7ETA on December 09, 2009, 10:11:05 PM
But, if you quack like a duck, sit in your nest warring your shoes.

QLF OB?

Bob


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: N2EY on December 10, 2009, 04:47:52 AM
The term comes from the days of the landline Morse telegraph operators.

Landline Morse used a device called a sounder which clicked in sequence with the keying. Operators prided themselves on being able to read the sounder regardless of conditions.

Some operators took to putting things on or near the sounder to change the sound, making it easier to hear or distinguish, etc. A common trick was to put a tobacco-can lid behind the sounder mechanism. This sort of thing was disdained by skilled operators, and considered a sign of inexperience and/or lack of skill. It was an insult to be called a "lid operator" or just a "lid".

Like many telegraph terms, it outlived its origins.

73 de Jim, N2EY

take 5


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: K4DPK on December 10, 2009, 07:13:25 PM
Jim...

It makes sense that, in a room crowded with other operators, some might "tweak" their sounder to set it apart from the rest.  The can lid would be a good way to do that.

I spoke this morning with an old friend who was a RR telegrapher in his youth.  He said he'd never heard the term used in RR, but suggested it possibly had roots in marine telegraphy.

In any case, the can lid was a good idea.  We may never know the origin of the term with absolute certainty.

Merry Christmas all...

Phil C. Sr.
k4dpk


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: N3OX on December 10, 2009, 08:45:07 PM
It makes sense that, in a room crowded with other operators, some might "tweak" their sounder to set it apart from the rest.  The can lid would be a good way to do that.

Except that it makes your sounder possibly louder and more distracting  or annoying to ops on other circuits...

Sounds familiar to me, LIDwise.

73
Dan


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: CHARLIEBAKER on December 10, 2009, 08:42:56 PM
so is it good when a HAM call you lid???


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: W7ETA on December 11, 2009, 03:15:24 AM
Yup.
When you quack, someone lets you know yer bein a turkey.

If you don't know yer a turkey, well Thanksgigiv is commin agin.

Bob


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: N2EY on December 11, 2009, 03:31:09 AM
K4DPK,

I've seen the tobacco-can lid story in many different books from the land-wire era.

I also heard it from Lou Moreau, W3WRE/WB6BBO, who knew and used both codes, on the air and on the wire. (Lou's key collection is now at the AWA Annex).

I know it predates radio, as do many abbreviations, such as "take five" and the number abbreviations.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: K0BG on December 21, 2009, 05:23:37 AM
So you too want to be a LID. Go here: http://www.repeater-builder.com/humor/how-to-sound-like-a-lid.html


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: N0ZNA on December 21, 2009, 07:07:45 PM
What is a lid?Look in the mirror CB...


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: CHARLIEBAKER on December 22, 2009, 07:43:53 PM
is it bad to be a lid??? no body here seem to no!!!! lol!!!


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: N4ZAW on December 23, 2009, 06:01:11 AM
It ok to be culled a lid if yor not gilty of be ing one. I had to stuty real hard to git my HAM radio lysunse and so i dont want too loose it by be ing a lid. So if thay are culling yoo a lid than you nead to stuty the book  more and to fine out wat they was talking abowt.
you mustuv sed sumthing thay did'nt think was gud operating practus.Thay do'nt like it wen you tell tham you will kick ther but. That maybee wyh thay culled you that   if you tuld thim you was gonna kick ther but thay mitea got mad at you.
Did you ast for a brake ferst?


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: K0BG on December 23, 2009, 06:24:46 PM
One thing is for sure, you just can't fix stupid!


Title: RE: what is a lid?????
Post by: CHARLIEBAKER on December 24, 2009, 08:34:57 PM
hay NAZAW!!! is that you jeff??? lol!!! were did you make up them HAM call numbers NAZAW??? lol!! that beter not be you jeff or il wip youre but!!! lol!!!!!