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Title: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: K0MU on September 29, 2010, 04:52:02 PM
New yahoo group formed for new Ten-Tec Eagle:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TenTec_Eagle



Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: NI0C on September 29, 2010, 07:24:28 PM
Why would anyone want to join a discussion group about a rig that's not even available yet?


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: K0MU on September 29, 2010, 08:17:34 PM
Why would anyone want to join a discussion group about a rig that's not even available yet?

Good question.  I understand that quite a few people have already spun the knob of the radio either at the Ten-Tec hamfest or as beta testers. 

I thought that perhaps if there are some hams out there who are almost ready to purchase a radio might want to consider this model along with all the other excellent brands out there ala K3, 590, etc. before they pick one out.

The list already has over 310 people on it.

disclaimer:  I am not affiliated with Ten-Tec in any way other than owning a couple of models.  Just spreading the word.


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: NI0C on September 29, 2010, 08:23:27 PM
Okay, I didn't realize that there were some radios out there being tested.  I just went to the Ten Tec web site and saw that the radio was unavailable, awaiting FCC approval. 

It is pretty exciting-- in this lousy economy-- to see another offering by an American company.  I wish them well.

73,
Chuck  NI0C


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: KH6AQ on October 01, 2010, 07:14:26 AM
The new Ten Tec look interesting. It appears to be aimed for the same performance and price class as the Elecraft K3 and the Kenwood TS-590.


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: K3AN on October 05, 2010, 03:49:54 PM
Saw a picture of it on the Ten-Tec web site. WAY too few knobs for serious use. And no internal automatic antenna tuner.

Looks like a toy.


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: N5VTU on October 05, 2010, 07:23:22 PM
The Eagle is available with an automatic internal tuner option, Model 599AT.  I agree the knobs are kind of scarce which must mean extensive menus are used or PC control via the USB port would be required.


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: N3QE on October 06, 2010, 07:23:57 AM
Saw a picture of it on the Ten-Tec web site. WAY too few knobs for serious use. And no internal automatic antenna tuner.

Looks like a toy.
I've never used the "Eagle" but looking at the pictures, the front knobs all make sense. Buttons too.

The "inner ham" in me still looks for plate load and tune knobs but this is 2010, I gotta stop expecting them :-)

And having looked at the manuals it looks like this is a user interface that concentrates on usability rather than having a zillion configuration menus and options. This I applaud.

This does not appear to be a "feature-laden" radio. I view this as a strength but others (who love going into their YaeComWood menus and tweaking option #213 to setting #11) will view it as a weakness.

Tim.


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: K4RCH on October 07, 2010, 01:53:55 PM
I've never used the "Eagle" but looking at the pictures, the front knobs all make sense. Buttons too.

The "inner ham" in me still looks for plate load and tune knobs but this is 2010, I gotta stop expecting them :-)

And having looked at the manuals it looks like this is a user interface that concentrates on usability rather than having a zillion configuration menus and options. This I applaud.

This does not appear to be a "feature-laden" radio. I view this as a strength but others (who love going into their YaeComWood menus and tweaking option #213 to setting #11) will view it as a weakness.

Tim.

I agree, keep it simple!


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: K3AN on October 07, 2010, 08:16:39 PM
Ten-Tec has announced the price. $1,799, or $1,999 if you want the built-in autotuner. They also have a list of accessories for the new Eagle, including their outboard RF speech processor for $249.

I just downloaded the manual. Everything described below is from my reading of that manual.

To go from 40M to 12M you have to step through all the intervening bands, one at a time. To go from 20 to 40 takes 4 button pushes: FCN, BAN, BAN, FCN. There is only one band stacking register per band. Unlike other radios that assign two functions to a button, and activate one with a quick press and the other with a press-and-hold, this radio accesses the secondary function by hitting the FCN button first. But all the buttons have their secondary function activated until you hit the FCN button again. That should get you wrapped around the axle pretty quickly when you're chasing DX in a pileup or working a contest. Imagine trying to activate the RIT and you end up changing mode instead. Yikes!

Compare that to the new Kenwood TS-590. $1799 WITH autotuner, but THREE band stacking registers per band, select any band with one button push, keyboard frequency entry, TWO antenna jacks, built-in mic audio equalizer, two user-programmable function keys. And yes, the '590 has a USB port.


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: K4RCH on October 10, 2010, 05:02:08 PM
This radio is aimed at the casual operator (such as myself) that doesn't want or need all the bells and whistles but yet wants a radio with excellent specs.  The Kenwood is a fine radio, I'm sure, but is being marketed to different segments of the ham community.  No need to compare the two.


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: TANAKASAN on October 11, 2010, 07:34:02 AM
The Eagle, the TS-590 and the K3 all have similar specifications with a low first IF rather than a VHF roofing filter. However, when considering the front panel layouts, the T-T Eagle wins hands down.

Discuss  ;D

Tanakasan


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: WA9UAA on October 11, 2010, 07:56:11 AM
I'll take the bait, can somebody tell me how to SPOT a cw signal with the Eagle?
I like the TS 590s but could live with some of the differences. e.g. Changing bands quickly
isn't a big problem.
73,
Rob WA9UAA


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: K4RCH on October 11, 2010, 10:49:14 AM
I'll take the bait, can somebody tell me how to SPOT a cw signal with the Eagle?
I like the TS 590s but could live with some of the differences. e.g. Changing bands quickly
isn't a big problem.
73,
Rob WA9UAA

There is no SPOT functionality on the Eagle, you'll have to use your ears or software.  This was discussed at length on the Yahoo group listed in the first post.


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: WA9UAA on October 11, 2010, 10:59:27 AM
Hm, thanks for the reply, I did initiate the discussion on the Yahoo group, I was hopeful for an actual user work around. I suppose one could narrow the filter on a potential contact and touch up the receiver. Oh well.
Thanks,
Rob WA9UAA


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: KB1GMX on October 11, 2010, 03:16:00 PM
<There is no SPOT functionality on the Eagle, you'll have to use your ears or software.  This was discussed at length on the Yahoo group listed in the first post.>

Maybe they do what was done on th 6n2..  func-v/m that brings up sidetone for volume setting then zerobeat
with main or RIT.   Then func-v/m again and go for it.  Once you know the panel it's fast and easy though for some it may seem strange.

Allison


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: WA9UAA on October 11, 2010, 04:37:42 PM
Allison,
That's the kind of work around info I need.
Thanks and 73,
Rob WA9UAA


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: N6JSX on October 15, 2010, 06:45:26 AM
Buyer Beware - be careful and exert pressure to insure TT properly documents this new rig....  :o

I own a Pegasus and I'm owner #2 of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TenTec_Pegasus (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TenTec_Pegasus) .... Pegasus is a non-display Jupiter (that is still being sold), in affect the Pegasus was the 1st generation Flex-Radio. Over two years ago at Dayton I had a  conversation with TT Chief Engineer (who promised but never followed through), so last year I had the same talk discussion with with new TT VP of Sales.

Three years ago TT updated their web site and totally dropped any/all reference to the Pegasus. [However, to be fair Kenwood web old rig support is by FAR the worst.] TT still repairs Pegasus, as the Pegasus/Jupiter has a major design flaw in not having VSWR protection. PA-Finals replacement costs last yeas was ~$156 +shipping, Final-PA R15/R19 may require adjusting but we cannot get an adjustment procedure.  >:(

TT exec's said they would make this information available - its now been +2.5yrs and counting.   :-\

I asked TT to document their (out of production) Pegasus and make this documentation available even at cost. But first and foremost we need readable schematics - not the free 5th generation copy-of-a-copy unreadable partial schematics TT sends out on request. We assume TT must have a rig MFG Pegasus/Jupiter alignment/adjustment procedure - can we buy a copy?
(What does it indicate if TT does not have this procedure as to TT Quality Control?)
 We need a Pegasus BOM parts list - can we buy it? We need a real service manual (and with just a lil more it could double as the Jupiter's manual too!   ???   

So TT buyers - look behind the frills and pretty rig face - how will you support your new rig when TT dumps all support for it? Hence, I will not even consider buying another TT until they change their support methods/ways!!! Burn me once shame on you, burn me twice shame on ME!


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: TI2TL on October 20, 2010, 07:58:22 PM
Well let me tell you I am a tentec user and I have also a tentec titan 425 (old and discontinued amplifier) and the service of tentec has been BY FAR the best I have ever had the pleasure to deal with.
To say that tentec service is bad means that you have no experience with the service of other brands where the only service they give you is the address of the service department where you have to send the rig in order for them to evaluate the damage and pay pay pay...

Tentec has walked me through a repair by phone more than once and they also acepted me sending just the damaged board instead of the whole rig, while no other service accepts this.

So... would I buy a tentec rig over a japan made rig YES YES YES... only problem I find with the eagle is that it should be priced lower in my opinion.


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: ZENKI on November 10, 2010, 12:14:46 AM
I was surprised that the SO239  and power connector was not an option on the Eagle!

Having a noise blanker as a option sucks. Not having  the considered basic feature set needed for everyday operation makes it a terrible choice.
While I agree with Tentec and its philosophy for producing a  new low price high performance, the way they have designed  the Eagle is  just
awkward. Why cant they produce a radio like the TS480 with the DSP architecture?

The radio is rather lacking in terms of its feature set and   its transmitter IMD  specifications  look    horrible. I dont envision this radio at a
multi multi contest station despite its claimed receiver performance.

This radio reminds me of  a  CB radio, we have the Eagle and I am waiting for the President Washington, Lincoln and Bush. Maybe even an Obama model. Will Ten Tec  be releasing a Silver Eagle mic for the Eagle?

Jokes aside I will wait till Sherwood tests the radio, its asking price might be the greatest bargain in amateur radio even with the optional noise blanker! It might make a great dxpedition contest radio.


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: K4RCH on November 10, 2010, 07:59:29 PM
Jokes aside I will wait till Sherwood tests the radio

Ask and ye shall receive: Sherwood Test Data (http://www.sherweng.com/table.html)


Title: RE: New Ten-Tec rig, the "Eagle"
Post by: ZENKI on November 11, 2010, 12:05:27 AM
Thanks for the Link,,,,

Impressive bang for the buck. Ten Tec must be congratulated for producing such a  good receiver.

All we need now  from Tec Tec is a transmitter with equally impressive IMD performance. Maybe the Eagle MK2 will such a
transmitter. I could not use a Radio with such poor transmitter IMD in my station.

Regardless congratulations Tec Tec.