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Title: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: MRDUDE178 on February 09, 2011, 09:55:53 PM
I'm sure I'll catch some kind of flack from this,but I only speak from the experience I've had thus far.First off I don't need comments on a misspelling or improper punctuation,now that's out of the way.I'm sure there are some very nice hams out there and this doesn't apply to all,but I have had a very poor intro to the hobby here in Missouri,basically my ham radio equipment has become glorified police scanners with me checking into a net once in a while to make sure I can still transmit.Seems if you don't know someone or aren't Joe Schmo's son people on the air locally are downright unfriendly and it seems anytime I've ever gotten a decent conversation started with what sounded like new blood like myself other locals get on and muscle there way onto the repeater with there "tea chat" I understand that we all have rights to talk its just the manner and the timing,and another one of my favorites is how unknowledgable some of the so called "elmers" will be with newbies and tell you 'oh I don't know about those radios" or "I don't know about that issue" and then a miracle happens.........the next day or week you hear this same person you asked a question to become a expert on the device or situation to his or her pals.Isn't this about friendly communication? I mean nobody has to be my friend but a little common courtesy would be appreciated.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KJ4FUU on February 10, 2011, 07:52:48 AM
You didn't mention what area in Missouri you were. Is there only one club in the area? I'm in Alexandria, VA, and there are several clubs in our area, with each club operating its own repeaters.

If you have more than one, have you found the same experience at all of them?

Sometimes, offering to help with a project is a good ice-breaker. You may not know everything about radio, but if you are capable, helping with some muscle at an antenna-raising party would get you introduced to the gang. While some people are more than glad to help a new ham, I realize that others can't be bothered. Hopefully, you'll find one soon.

-- Tom Kirby KJ4FUU


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: MRDUDE178 on February 10, 2011, 08:41:05 AM
I didn't want to be to specific,because I don't want to go bashing any club or individuals by name,thats not my intention to make a particular group look bad,just speak of my experience and maybe someone will take note.I am in the st.louis area and there are only a couple of clubs (that I am aware of anyway that are not company oriented).Offering help was one of the first things I tried to break the ice with (I have recently lost my job and between applying for jobs and whatever I have a lot of time on my hands) I just have had an all around poor experience with everything,even the skywarn system here.Any major weather events that have occurred while I have had my ticket (and there have been quite a few) have been just well whatever,it seems when the net controller hears a familiar callsign,they are extremely friendly and want to talk about anything and everything.When myself or another newbie calls with info it seems like they can't get us off of the air quick enough (sometimes even with a rude tone) I just hear the difference in the way they treat the newbies who are grandsons of Gertrudes (fictitious name)breakfast buddies and someone like myself,and they wonder why club renewals are low.This is not isolated to me,I know of several techs who just gave up (was on email and phone speaking relationships with these people) and they just felt a cold shoulder


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: MRDUDE178 on February 10, 2011, 09:02:48 AM
I don't plan on giving up so easily,I am going for my general to get into HF and dxing and have had some pleasant and interesting experiences just leaving echolink run on my phone or pc for a while and a random person from many of locations have struck up a conversation,I am fascinated with rf and electronics,I was the kid who had my mother chasing me around the house because I took the vcr apart at 7 years old to see how it worked  ;D.RF equipment and cabling was in my job desciption for many years.I have gotten some good pointers on other forums and what seem like friendly people but just seems a waste that some of the locals seem to act this way


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: N2EY on February 11, 2011, 04:50:33 AM
First off I don't need comments on a misspelling or improper punctuation,

Why not?

Those things make writing easier to read and understand. Why not make the message easier for the reader?


now that's out of the way.I'm sure there are some very nice hams out there and this doesn't apply to all,but I have had a very poor intro to the hobby here in Missouri,basically my ham radio equipment has become glorified police scanners with me checking into a net once in a while to make sure I can still transmit.Seems if you don't know someone or aren't Joe Schmo's son people on the air locally are downright unfriendly and it seems anytime I've ever gotten a decent conversation started with what sounded like new blood like myself other locals get on and muscle there way onto the repeater with there "tea chat" I understand that we all have rights to talk its just the manner and the timing,

One thing to remember is that a repeater is a shared resource. Which means that if someone is using it and someone else wants to use it, the first person should give it up unless there's an emergency.

This is particularly true if the person using it isn't a member of the club that owns the repeater, but the person wanting to use the repeater is a member.

It's the exact opposite of the way non-repeater operation works. In non-repeater operation, the people on a frequency first have precedence. They don't "own" the frequency, but unless there's an emergency, it's rude and poor operating for others to try to take it away.

Do you do any operation that isn't repeaters?

and another one of my favorites is how unknowledgable some of the so called "elmers" will be with newbies and tell you 'oh I don't know about those radios" or "I don't know about that issue" and then a miracle happens.........the next day or week you hear this same person you asked a question to become a expert on the device or situation to his or her pals.

Maybe the person looked up the device after you asked the question, and learned the answer. That's what I'd do if someone asked me a question about a rig I wasn't familiar with.

Isn't this about friendly communication? I mean nobody has to be my friend but a little common courtesy would be appreciated.

Friendliness and common courtesy work both ways.

I suggest that you check out what amateur radio offers beyond the local repeaters. Your license allows a lot more, including some HF operation. Why not check it out?

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: NI0C on February 11, 2011, 05:48:39 AM
Since you're in the St. Louis area, and you expressed an interest in HF and DX'ing, please check out the Mississippi Valley DX & Contest Club: http://www.mvdxcc.org/

We're a thriving club precisely because we welcome newcomers to ham radio.  Set up one of your scanners to receive 147.6 (simplex) transmissions-- that's where many members meet to exchange DX information and arrange informal lunch meetings, etc. 


73,
Chuck  NI0C


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: MRDUDE178 on February 11, 2011, 11:37:22 AM
I guess I have to specify that the experience hasn't been completely negative and I only made a comment about punctuation and spelling because I have seen someone completely twist a thread to focus on name calling of the individual who started the thread over this.Anyway I was a paying member at one time but that is besides the point.I have been nothing but pleasant on the air and never have openly complained about anything.It has just been a rough start,I have struck up a couple of interesting conversations on simplex also but stopped hearing from some "eager sounding newbies like myself" because either they moved on to other bands or just went dormant.Like I said not trying to drag anyone out in the road just some advice to clubs,aside from someone asking me were the bathroom was at a meeting I have not had much said to me or any interest in who the "new guy is".Remember you guys are the experienced ones who know each other (faces with callsigns) at these events and I can introduce myself allday long and it didn't seem to help


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KE4JOY on February 11, 2011, 12:48:40 PM
Get on HF ...

Repeaters are actually a very thin facade of amateur radio. There is so much more.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: MRDUDE178 on February 11, 2011, 01:22:34 PM
Yeah I'm really looking forward to HF,I have had a heck of a time with HF rigs on my budget,ended up with a roasted Icom 735 and another that was full of gremlins (that fortunately the seller took back) but still don't have a functioning one,I really got a kick out of seeing what I was able to pull in distance wise with my limited resources and the icom till it died but I'm getting off topic here anyway,I think I was just trying to say be nice to the new guys ;)


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: MRDUDE178 on February 11, 2011, 01:33:20 PM
thanks NI0C I've checked out your club page and will be listening for you guys on said frequency


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K1CJS on February 12, 2011, 10:46:58 AM
I know you asked not to--but it has to be said.  You're writing is one long, drawn out, rambling sentence, and some people just can't see the direction you want to go with it.  If you're going in the direction I think you are, please read the first article on the home page of this site--"Not a hobby--infinitely more!". 

Ham radio is what you make it, and if you're looking to make it a fault finding exercise in futility, then that is all it's going to be to you.  On the other hand, if you get to doing what you like to do, you will find others who also like what you want to do, and the hobby will become more--possibly a lot more--than what you were looking for!


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K5MF on February 13, 2011, 12:26:04 PM
You know, I have belonged to a lot of clubs in my times.  Everything from sports clubs to photography, metal detecting, shooting, golf, and of course ham radio.  And your experience is not totally uncommon.  There are all types of people and they tend to aggregate with others of their liking, you know birds of a feather thing.  Some clubs are so inbred that they will never thrive and never grow and the majority of club time is spent wondering why everyone is so bored and they can't get any new blood into the organization.  Again, I have seen these types of clubs and just accept them for what they are and move on.

On the other hands, there are a lot of really great guys and gals in amateur radio.  You just have to keep looking for them.  Some clubs can be a bit snooty, so can some nets.  Heck there are guys on the air that think they have claim to freq X at Y time because they have had a rag chew there with their buddy every day for the last 10 years.  Just listen to some of those conversations.  They talk about everything from their family hygiene to the type of cheese they put on their Macaroni.  Kind of funny to me, but if it makes them happy then let them live in their world.  I just smile and turn the dial. 

Others are major outgoing and live their lives to help others.  I am finding this particularly true in the CW world.  I am new to CW and have not had a rude exchange yet.  I am sure I will find one sooner or later but these guys and gals are just very encouraging and forgiving when I mess up - and I do that a lot.  If you haven't tried CW you might want to give it a try.  I have had 5 WPM QSOs with guys who I hear working at 35+ wpm.  They must be totally board out of their minds when working with me, but they always have nice things to say and they patiently work through the QSO.  Just a bunch of nice folks and I think representative of the true spirit of Ham radio.

But if CW isn't your thing, that is OK also.  Decide what is and go for it.  Seek out other clubs or just a couple of people in your current club.  Yes people are going to aggregate with those with similar interests.  But I am willing to bet you can find one or two hams in the club that will be happy to talk with you about whatever it is that interests you.  But you do have to take the first steps.  You are the newbie and in a sense you have to pay your dues.  Take the initiative.  Volunteer to present something at the next meeting or take in your rig or a new key or project you are working on.  And then see how fast people show interest.

Don't be offended if you aren't accepted into that "circle of friends" too quickly.  Keep working and pretty soon you will be just one of the guys.

Good luck and I hope to catch you on the air.

73!

Tom
AE5QB 


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KB5ZSJ on February 13, 2011, 10:05:06 PM
             I fell your pain, and know what your going through with your club locally. I am not bashing all clubs because there are a few good ones out there that believe in the hobby.
             One local club here has a big problem with in it that for over ten years has hurt the hobby so bad here that no participation in events and Skywarn has been non existent has been the normal. This is a sad thing to hear from any ham both new and old but this is happening all over the USA at an alarming rate and has to be stopped by those good hams that are left in the hobby or we will not have an hobby at all to enjoy.
            The club president of the one local club has told me that he has no heart left for the hobby, has hatred issues towards those who do not follow him and do what he says to fill his agendas and his egotistical ways.
            All i can say is make your voice known and keep on making it known until your voice is known by others and keep on using your radio
as professionally as you can and never stoop to their level at all times and anyway possible.
           Good luck and hope it gets all better for you!!!!!!!!!


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KC1BUD on February 15, 2011, 11:47:57 AM
I'm sure I'll catch some kind of flack from this,but I only speak from the experience I've had thus far.First off I don't need comments on a misspelling or improper punctuation,now that's out of the way.I'm sure there are some very nice hams out there and this doesn't apply to all,but I have had a very poor intro to the hobby here in Missouri,basically my ham radio equipment has become glorified police scanners with me checking into a net once in a while to make sure I can still transmit.Seems if you don't know someone or aren't Joe Schmo's son people on the air locally are downright unfriendly and it seems anytime I've ever gotten a decent conversation started with what sounded like new blood like myself other locals get on and muscle there way onto the repeater with there "tea chat" I understand that we all have rights to talk its just the manner and the timing,and another one of my favorites is how unknowledgable some of the so called "elmers" will be with newbies and tell you 'oh I don't know about those radios" or "I don't know about that issue" and then a miracle happens.........the next day or week you hear this same person you asked a question to become a expert on the device or situation to his or her pals.Isn't this about friendly communication? I mean nobody has to be my friend but a little common courtesy would be appreciated.

This sounds so familiar. Years ago my wife who shows horses, didn't want to show on the state breed level complained to me that she didn't know anyone and that everyone is unfriendly or down right snobbish. I suggested she join anyway, she did and then she started to get to know people She found out that they were friendly and not snobbish. What made a difference was she got to know them.

I am the only ham in my family I am not talking just my children, wife and grandchildren, but all of my brothers and sisters and their children and grandchildren, I have 16 brothers and sisters, I am the only ham.

I joined the local club, and didn't know anyone, but I met them and have gotten to know them and found that they are the best bunch of guys and gals. I am a nobody, I have absolutely no connections that anyone might use, but I do have the hobby of amateur radio that connects us all.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K1LEM on February 21, 2011, 10:37:49 AM
 Well, I can commiserate with your position. Years ago in vermont, the clubs were biased against anyone less tha 40. Now, with age, I wonder if wheel chairs will be the next requirement and handicapped ramps?

I did contact a local club about three years ago and was told, " Well, who are you anyway? I suppose before we would decide on you, we'll have to look at you."

I mean like larfing out loud. They need to look at me. Braaah haaa!


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K6LCS on February 22, 2011, 08:44:40 PM
Ham clubs are like PTA clubs - some are a great fit for you ... others will rub you the wrong way the moment you walk in the door.

SO ... Just slip a dollar in the donation cup for coffee at the club that doesn't interest you, and find another club that does.

I have spoken to about 50 clubs the past two-and-a-half years, so I believe i have a fairly good "take" on this. Some clubs are out for increased membership, getting kids and women and the handicapped involved, and looking to better their communities. Other clubs have no interest in new membership, and have the same static agendas every month for years. But most of the clubs fall inbetween those two extremes ...

And if you cannot find a group that really intrigues you - then it might be time to start a new club in your region!

Clint Bradford, K6LCS
909-241-7666


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KH6DC on February 25, 2011, 04:15:45 PM
Mr Dude:  I was in the same boat here in Honolulu.  The clubs are all cliques where some welcome you and most look at you like some kind of criminal that's going to steal their equipment (maybe I was so tanned from surfing back then).  That's why I quit the clubs.  The other poster is corrrect, VHR repeaters is a thin facade of amateur radio, that's why I don't use them, only once in a while.

HF, that's a totally different story.  People on HF whether SSB, CW, digital, etc., are always friendly and if you have a problem, willing to help out.  I've been a ham since 1994 and once I got my general ticket, I never looked back and stayed away from the local hamming arena.  There are a bunch of cool people here, but their also HF people with general and higher tickets.  Get on HF and then email me.  We'll set of a time and frequency to chat.  73, Delwyn KH6DC


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K1CJS on February 26, 2011, 04:14:46 AM

.....I did contact a local club about three years ago and was told, " Well, who are you anyway? I suppose before we would decide on you, we'll have to look at you."

I mean like larfing out loud. They need to look at me. Braaah haaa!

You've gotta love that attitude.  THEY have to look at YOU so you can volunteer and help THEM out!  Priceless!


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: MAGNUM257 on February 26, 2011, 08:01:31 AM
 I've been licenced since 1988 and I can't say I am disappointed with the Hobby, but I can say I was a member of a local club here in NJ that WAS a disappointment. I got involved in many of the club activities, but there were too many "cliques". If you were involved in one activity with certain members, and wanted to be involved in another, and the two had members of different "cliques" they made it impossible to do both. One group vs another within the same club. I never met such a bunch of winers in all of my life.

 I remember participating in a FOXHUNT, and I was the first to locate the hidden transmitter. The next member to locate the transmitter was about 10 minutes behind me. At the next club meeting he stood up and cried that even though I found the transmitter faster, he drove less miles to find it and claimed he should be the winner. He was an old timer in the club and I was a newbie. They told me I didn't win afterall, and declared him the winner. This was not in the rules anywhere, but they stuck by their decision. That was the last club meeting I attended.

 I may try another club, billed as the Oldest Continuously Operated Club in the U.S. We shall see...



Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KJ4I on February 27, 2011, 05:01:46 AM
Sometimes clubs can be your ticket out of ham radio. I personally don't do the club scene anymore and have enjoyed the hobby so much more ever since. Back when I first became licensed about 15 years ago I though joining/starting a club and getting a repeater on the air was the only way to go and it was the thing to do. Spent the first 10 years of my ham career monkeying in the club/repeater business. To make a long story short I ended up taking over and owning the local club repeater system and putting a lot of my own money into making it better for lack of club support. They all wanted a jam up top notch repeater system but yet they wanted nothing to do with helping financially or physically. I finally got tired of the club and repeater site politics and sold out the whole repeater system. I took the courtesy of putting their old repeater back on the air when I left but left it up to them after that.

In the mean time I was going back to school to start a new career and ended up taking a 4-5 year hiatus from ham radio. That was the best thing I ever did. While I was in school I ended up selling 95% of my equipment (some of which I regretted selling later on). In the past couple of years my interest in the hobby begin to come back and I have been active again for about a year now. These days 99% of my activity is on hf and I have had more fun with ham radio in the past year than I ever had in my first 10 years or so that I was active. I just dont get involved with group activities these days and I stay away from clubs. I dont want the politics, responsibilities, and expectations of being in a club and having to keep this equipment or that equipment on the air. I don't need phone calls in the middle of the night to tell me something isn't working or to have a political discussion.

Im not trying to cut down someones club or knock them for being in a club as I am sure their are some decent clubs out there but my point is that it is not the one and only (everything) of ham radio. As others have said it is just a tiny part of something much bigger. Why not upgrade and try hf? Their is a lot more activity and in my experience a lot more friendly people there than you will find a lot of times on a local repeater. I also remember the ignorance a lot of hams had towards new hams back in my days of being new to the hobby and sadly it still happens quiet a lot.

Ham Radio is a great hobby. Enjoy it for what it is and don't let the actions and words of others get you down. Now get out there and discover the world beyond clubs, repeaters, and politics  ;D

Good luck


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K2JX on February 28, 2011, 12:38:10 PM

As much as we'd like to see you stay in hobby and be a part of the Ham community, you have to remember what you get out of anything in life is what you put into it. Ham radio is not for everyone..but there are many facets to this hobby that don't require you to belong to a club, group or support a repeater. May I suggest you try PSK-31 on HF for instance ?
You don't need a kilowatt or an expensive antenna system, just your rig, laptop with a free PSK soundcard program, an interface between the two units like a "Rig Blaster" and your on. Unfamliar with this mode, then Google PSK-31, you'll find a lot of help there.
I'm 40 years in the hobby, not everyone I've met has been welcomed me with open arms either, I just move on. On the other hand I have friends made over 30 years ago through Ham radio that continue to this day !

73/de K2JX


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K5FH on March 02, 2011, 02:45:38 PM
Sometimes clubs can be your ticket out of ham radio. I personally don't do the club scene anymore and have enjoyed the hobby so much more ever since.

(snip)
 
I just dont get involved with group activities these days and I stay away from clubs. I dont want the politics, responsibilities, and expectations of being in a club and having to keep this equipment or that equipment on the air. I don't need phone calls in the middle of the night to tell me something isn't working or to have a political discussion.

That pretty much mirrors my own experiences with clubs.  I have seen too many cases where some club members think they're presidents of a homeowner's association or something and all sorts of petty power wars get started over inconsequential things.  Problems can almost always be traced down to one or two individuals who, intended or not, ruin the experience for the rest of the club members.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KF5CZG on March 03, 2011, 07:15:30 AM
You don't need clubs to enjoy the hobby.  Join the ARRL, operate on HF and move on. 

From my limited experience, I joined a club and only one ham showed an interest.  I thank him for that as much as possible.  If you like face to face socialization, then a club may be for you.  They are not for me.

Anyway, enjoy HF!! 


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KE7RTV on March 03, 2011, 08:44:19 AM
It can be difficult to break into the hobby. People don't mean to be rude but some amateurs
have been in the hobby for so long that they've forgotten what it was like to be a newcomer.
During my time in radio I've met a few people whom I'd  just as soon not talk to again but
that's life, and for the most part, everyone has been very nice to me and understanding of my
newcomer's clumsiness on the air.

As for getting technical help you're best learning it on your own. I asked four different people
for help and got ignored four times. That's just the way it is, but each time I needed help I
went back to the bench and figured out what I needed to learn and I'm better off for having
done it on my myself. It's not and easy hobby but the rewards are great. You just have to
keep trying.

Amateur radio is truly a great hobby filled with nice and interesting people. Just hang in there
and keep trying and you'll get the hang of it.
Ke7RTV




Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KQ0C on March 11, 2011, 01:05:26 PM
Our local club is wonderful, and focused on bringing new people into the hobby.

With that said, VHF/Repeater operators may be more focused on maintaining long local friendships... whereas HF operators are inherently more interested in meeting new people from all over. I think you would have a very different experience on HF.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K0IZ on March 14, 2011, 07:34:39 AM
Many hams are more technically oriented rather than socially adept.  I think that is reflected in how some clubs operate, lack of warm introductions of newcomers, etc.

I am a member of WØERH Johnson County Radio Amateur Club, in suburban Kansas City.  THis club has two meetings a month, with good programs.  2M and 440 repeaters.  Members are active in supporting civic events (10K's etc, Skywarn, Field Day,etc).

Our club members conduct numerous classes for prospective hams.  Over 650 have been licensed in last four years.  About 1/3 have been under age of 18.  Also run General classes, and about to run our first Extra class.  We conduct "Get on the Air" classes for new hams to help them with the practical aspects of setting up a station.  Last month conducted APRS class, with hands-on help with loading software, etc.  Friday's meeting was demo's on soldering. April first meeting program the County Emerg Coord again talks about whats happening.  Second meeting will be on-air demo of remote radio control.  Etc, Etc.

Needless to say, our club is the largest (and growing) club in the Kansas City area.  Might be a bit of a stretch to drive from St. Louis, but you would be most welcome!

John. KØIZ


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K1CJS on March 15, 2011, 05:09:09 AM
You don't need clubs to enjoy the hobby.  Join the ARRL.....and move on. 


Not to be too negative, but depending on your location and your interests, the ARRL can be just like any other smaller club.  If you're not involved in the way your area (section) people believe to be relevant, then you don't exist.  Unless you enjoy being a non-existent paying member of a club.....


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: W5TTW on March 15, 2011, 01:15:32 PM
I'm glad that you came here to talk about how you feel instead of throwing your rig in a box and selling it on eBay.  I've had similar experiences and know how you feel.  My cure was to get a CW key!  It was easy to learn and CW ops are some of the friendliest people I have ever known.  Many of the old school patiently hang out on the novice sub bands just to help and encourage us new fists along. And most send you a QSL card to boot! You can work the world with a modest rig and just a few watts.  Give it some thought, OK?  I value you and don't want you to quit!


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K6LCS on March 21, 2011, 02:38:36 PM
>> ... the ARRL can be just like any other smaller club ...

But the ARRL offers so much for their members ... Never mind the legislative efforts and legal issues that they get involved in for the betterment of the hobby for ALL of us, but they offer specialized newsletters to members. And more access to QST back issues than non-members. And their equipment insurance plan's premiums BEAT what State Farm can do for me, and I have been with State Farm for almost 30 years.

So, without any "input" from a single ARRL member, the benefits are tangible, real, and money-saving!

Clint Bradford, K6LCS
ARRL Diamond Club member
909-241-7666


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K1CJS on March 22, 2011, 04:24:11 AM
Point taken.  However, the newsletters, membership journal--and now their website have been changed so much from what they were meant to be....

Also, you don't have to be a member to get the insurance plan for your station.  It's handled by a non-ARRL company.

Benefits can be considered tangible and real--if you want to hear about emergency communication all the time and how emergency communication is the only reason amateur radio has the frequencies that it has....  Etc., Etc., Etc.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K9MHZ on March 22, 2011, 08:37:32 AM
This is crazy.  Nowhere in life, with the possible exception of church, are you going to be unconditionally accepted just by showing up.  The supposed rudeness that gets reported and complained about on forums like this seem to be from people who themselves have trouble communicating, and who seem to enjoy being a victim.  If you don't like a particular club or group, get over it and move on.

If your entire amateur experience is lingering on a local 2 meter FM repeater hoping to make a friend, then it will be very short-lived.  It seems like the happiest amateurs, or at least those who enjoy the hobby the most, are people who find a specific interest and associate/network with others who are like-minded. 

Whining because you took and passed a simple test, bought and installed some simple gear, and are now wondering why new friends aren't suddenly falling all over themselves to welcome you aboard gets old.

The amateur population in the U.S. is a little under 700,000.  That's a lot of people.  The hobby is huge, and so is the variety of interests.  Pick something that you might really enjoy, and network with other hams who share that interest.  That's where great friendships are made.

There are a lot of really good people out there......just put forth some effort.

Best,

Brad, K9MHZ



Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: N0SYX on March 22, 2011, 01:00:37 PM
I think people that rush out to take the tech test, buy a cheap FM HT, get frustrated because they found a particular person or club unfriendly, and then immediately become "dissappointed with the hobby" need to take a step back.   I think you set yourself up for the disappointment.

If you just want to chit chat via wireless buy an iPhone and text your friends (and download angry birds, it's really fun...).  If you really want to use an HT get FRS radios for your current friends.

Amateur radio was created so that individuals could have access to radio spectrum and experiment with radio: technology, techniques, operating, etc.  Find something that truly interests you about radio operating or radio technology and you'll develop a circle of friends over time.





Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KE7RTV on March 27, 2011, 12:18:05 PM

This is crazy.  Nowhere in life, with the possible exception of church, are you going to be unconditionally accepted just by showing up.  The supposed rudeness that gets reported and complained about on forums like this seem to be from people who themselves have trouble communicating, and who seem to enjoy being a victim.  If you don't like a particular club or group, get over it and move on.


----------------------------

When the ARRL sells the myth that amateur radio is a group
of people just waiting for new friends to come along and join them then
it's hardly crazy when someone actually believes it and is disappointed when it doesn't
happen.
KE7RTV


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K9MHZ on March 27, 2011, 02:53:04 PM
So because this guy can't seem to make any ham friends, it's now the ARRL's fault?

Good grief.



 


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KE7RTV on March 27, 2011, 09:49:44 PM
The gentleman is sharing his experiences as they relate to his intial expectations.
 
Why shouldn't we listen to him and examine our own behaviour towards new hams?
Just dismissing him as a guy who doesn't know how to communicate doesn't seem to me to be the correct response.
After all, it is possible that he has a point.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: VE3LYX on April 05, 2011, 06:16:02 AM
I have to share his sentiment.
First regarding spelling . There is no reason to correct someone elses spelling or punctuation. It is rude and unecessary and you are not their mommy.
I cant see well enuf to write perfect and as to some of my spelling like the word a few back whoever decided to spell it like we do in the english speaking world was an idiot. I dont speak perfectly either. I live in fear the word aint will leave the language before I leave this world for good.
Secondly clubs are for some of us not workable. Usually there is one main guru whose father or uncle was a radio op on a famous ship or something and then there are 20 or 30 loyal mignons unable to think for themselves and following behind  in single file.
It used to be if you were a ham you had a bond with other hams. It has changed. I went to the local winter field day this year. One fellow who didnt know any better spoke to me but I gathered from the looks he got that he had just gotten his license and didnt know any better, having not learned yet how to be rude and who to be rude too.
The main guru was there and they were follwing him around like a group of hens following the barnyard rooster. I dont do clubs of any kind any more. They are not good for me and I am not good for them. That may be the best solution for some of us.
I went to my first Hamfest last weekend. There are non nearby and I have never had a good oppourtunity before so I arose early and drove almost 3 hours to attend it. There were probably 100 to 130 people there at any one time. I got replies from three and I was buying their stuff. I felt about as welcome as a Rabbi at the Vatican. They are wondering , "Who is that guy. He is not from our club? Maybe he is a CB er"!  which is the ultimate ham way of insulting someone. I have been a ham over 30 years so I was surprised at the lack of normal human friendliness.
That said I have also met some very neat and pleasant folks in this hbby. Folks who share similar interests . Are able to discuss rather than argue. And folks who share willingly parts and info. Anything they might need I have would be available to them. They are the way it used to be. You can explain all you want. If you are rude to a fellow ham you didnt get enuf spankings as a child. There is just absolutely no excuse for it. And for repeaters.? For me Ham radio is HF. However if taxi radio is your thing that is fine with me. ;>) Doesnt feel nice does it? That is how we feel on the other end too.
Time we got along despite our many varied interests in the hobby. We cant afford this foolishness and it has no place in the hobby.
Don VE3LYX


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K1CJS on April 05, 2011, 06:32:40 PM
The way clubs are has changed, but that is NO excuse for poor grammar and incorrect spelling--even use of words that sound the same but are not. 

I'm sorry, but the dumbing down of the tests in the US doesn't mean that we can just spell words as we please.  There are still proper ways to spell, punctuate, and construct sentences.  If you can't do these things correctly, you should not be throwing stones at others for other errors that they may make.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K7RBW on April 05, 2011, 08:54:26 PM
And I suppose you spell CQ, "Seek you?"

One person (or group)'s misspelling is another's accepted form of abbreviation. (Morse code for example)

If this were a writer's forum, criticizing another's spelling might be appropriate, and perhaps even required. But in a place that's the internet version of a rag-chew, that seems a bit rude.

73 and LOL, IMNSHO :)


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KE4JOY on April 06, 2011, 11:17:31 AM
Heh got to laugh.  ;D

This thread must be pretty stale to end up as a rant on grammar.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: VE3LYX on April 06, 2011, 07:30:13 PM
"First regarding spelling . There is no reason to correct someone elses spelling or punctuation. It is rude and unecessary and you are not their mommy. "
I said it and I meant it. And it is the truth.
Don VE3LYX


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: N2EY on April 07, 2011, 03:48:25 AM
The way clubs are has changed, but that is NO excuse for poor grammar and incorrect spelling--even use of words that sound the same but are not. 

I'm sorry, but the dumbing down of the tests in the US doesn't mean that we can just spell words as we please.  There are still proper ways to spell, punctuate, and construct sentences. 

I agree 100%.

But I don't think it has anything to do with the tests, education, nor even ham radio. I think it's an internet phenomenon.

In the bad old days when everything published was actually printed on paper, there were plenty of folks who couldn't spell, punctuate or construct sentences. The difference was that their stuff was filtered through proofreaders, editors, etc., so that it was either fixed up or not published at all. Content mistakes and obvious errors were filtered out too. An occasional typo might get through, but 99.99% of them didn't.

The internet changed all that. Almost anybody can write almost anything on practically any subject and have it show up instantly on an online forum with zero proofreading or testing.

I think the best we can do is to set a good example.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: N2EY on April 07, 2011, 03:54:02 AM
"First regarding spelling . There is no reason to correct someone elses spelling or punctuation. It is rude and unecessary and you are not their mommy. "
I said it and I meant it. And it is the truth.

No, it's just your opinion.

When someone posts in an online discussion forum, everyone else has the right to comment on what was written. Particularly if what was posted contains mistakes. That's the whole point of a discussion forum.

Of course some mistakes are more serious than others. An occasional typo that doesn't change the meaning is much less serious than, say, a mistake in a formula that gives a completely wrong answer to a calculation problem.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: VE3LYX on April 07, 2011, 04:09:36 AM
The need to comment and correct someone elses spelling is a severre character flaw and has no place in polite society. All of us, including those who can spell perfect (but usually are incabable of little else) have more than a plate full looking after the guy they see every morning when they shave. Correcting or commenting on someone elses spelling is the height of ingnorance. If it all you have to do then you need another hobby. I have no idea what kind of thinking would inspire such an attitude. I suspect though it is rooted in an island somewhere between Scandanavia and Newfoundland.
Don VE3LYX


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: N0SYX on April 07, 2011, 01:27:33 PM
Isn't it slightly ironic that people who don't care if they can write or speak well, get involved in a communications related hobby?  Amateur radio is obviously a very technical hobby but the end goal of all that technology is to communicate.  Shouldn't we want to do it better?

I also don't agree that "one man's misspelling" is another man's "abbreviation."   There is misspelling and there is abbreviation.  Two different things.   CQ, RST, Q codes all developed out of necessity and efficiency, not because people were bad spellers.

From my perspective, if somebody writes an email or posts into a forum like this and uses an acronym such as RST.  That is fine.  It is an accepted abbreviation.   If instead you type in Rdibility, Strenkth, and Ton - you really should learn how to spell.

Certainly some misspelling is unintentional.  I might have missed something in this post, but if the grammar and spelling is so bad, I'm sorry, people are going to blast you for it.  This is the internet, you need thick skin to operate here...

Finally, since this thread was originally about mean old hams and their cliquey clubs, I still say it is whining to complain about it.   If you attended a club function and nobody seemed friendly - move on.  Think of it this way: it is there loss, not yours.

I've attended a few hamfests too.  I pay the guy at the door and he says 'thanks.'  The ARRL guy manning their booth is always pleasant.  At that point my expectations are met.  I've generally found that club people working their tables tend to be more talkative if you have specific questions about what their particular "specialty" is.   I walked up to the microwave club table and said I had a question about a homebrew yagi for 802.11 gear.  He was quite talkative.  Another guy walks up and says "I don't much about that there microwave. What's them metal horns do anyway."  Expecting the microwave guy to be chatty is unrealistic I think.

Never at any point at a hamfest have I ever had 10 people rush up to me saying "I wanna be your friend, I wanna be your friend."   

I'm OK with that.









Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: VE3LYX on April 07, 2011, 08:06:05 PM
And then there is the possiblity and you have no way of knowing that the person writing doesnt know the language well. Not everyone was born speaking the same language as you. I speak 3. One decent , one O K and one so so. I am still in all three able to commnucate and be understood.
Anyway enuf already. Makes me disgusted just thinking about it.
Din VE3LYX


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KA5N on April 08, 2011, 08:30:50 AM
Reminds me of the old Joke  "Doctor it hurts when I do this!",    "Well don't do that!"

I can excuse someone whose native language is not English who uses the wrong word(s) or makes grammatical errors or those who speak English "English" instead of American English.
But when I see "loose" used by native English speakers (some of whom claim to be engineers) instead of "lose".  That and the many other really bad errors make me wonder at a forum that
is designed to help the newcomer and aid those with meager skills and has folks who can't punctuate nor spell correctly giving the help.  That my friend is disgusting!
On the air I hear hams who constantly mispronounce words or make up words that sound
similar.  Are they trying to be the next Rush Limbaugh?  Did they ever go to "skrull"?
Gee isn't belly-aching fun!

Allen


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K7RBW on April 08, 2011, 01:23:37 PM
I wonder if the people who complain about grammer and spelling in an EHam forum are the same operators who invent a new phonetic alphabet for every contenst (or QSO)?

I think both situations call for a serious dose of "lighten up."


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K1CJS on April 09, 2011, 05:14:35 AM
And I still stand by what I said.  It is the height of ignorance and bad manners to criticize others if you can't do things correctly yourself.  That INCLUDES spelling. 

The point of my post was your rant, Don.  You didn't feel welcome, so you're spouting off about it--in effect, criticizing others because of their supposed mistake in not accepting you.  You might just say that one of the stones you threw came back and hit you--square in the head.

I'm not perfect--and I acknowledge that fact.  I make mistakes, just like everyone else.  Fact of the matter is that I made one in my post--one wrong word, and the meaning of what I meant changed.  Instead of 'there', I wrote 'that'.  Makes a lot of difference, doesn't it?  "The way clubs are has changed, but THERE is NO excuse for poor grammar and incorrect spelling--even use of words that sound the same but are not."

Too many people just write what they they want and figure that others will understand them anyway.  Maybe most do--but to others, you're just showing your lack of education, in other words--ignorance.  If you can't afford to keep a dictionary on your desk, at least turn on your spell checker--it's the least you can do if you intend to criticize others for the mistakes they make.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: N5VEI on April 10, 2011, 07:48:27 PM
I can understand about the disheartening activity!  If it were just 2m and repeaters around here... I would have probably gotten out of ham radio long ago.  I do lots of digital HF stuff, chase dx, just got into near-space ballooning with APRS, and do some occasional fox hunting with a few of the locals.  HF really offers so many activities or elements that your local repeater does not.  I would suggest finding a local friendly ham that does HF and go talk with him.  You do not have to have a large station or even a powerful station.  It is all about technique, effort, and endurance when dealing with some of the HF topics.  The digital stuff is really fun and can keep you learing for a long time.
Anyway.... hang in there
Bill Richardson
N5VEI

PS  Check out what I do with my students that I teach
http://www.madison-schools.com/18912081810027520/site/default.asp?


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: N5VEI on April 10, 2011, 07:52:32 PM
I forgot to mention about operating amateur satellites.... Now those are fun!  All you need is an dualband HT, arrow beam (handheld), and a tracker to provide rise, fall, and angles.
Bill R.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K0IZ on April 16, 2011, 04:42:11 PM
Is this topic still going on?  I suppose so, since it seems to have deviated slightly from the start.  What a waste of time.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K5USF on April 20, 2011, 07:38:57 PM
Why don't you all have a spelling bee and crown a champion....Ugh


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KC9ISG on April 23, 2011, 02:36:24 PM
Well I have that around in my area to and you will find that it also happens on HF. Some people forgot what this hobby is all about and its suppose to be fun and if another ham or any one is in need of help they should try there best to help them. I here to enjoy my self and have fun talking to and meeting others across the world and not have to worry about some one trying to have a pissing match with some one else to prove who is the biger dog on the air waves. I have heard every thing from fights and foul luangage to some strange stuff I wouldnt want to repeat. I only hope that people can keep it from becomeing another CB channel. I use to hear hams say when I was into CB that ham isnt a CB or like it and from what I have heard sorry to say it is. So we need to help one another to keep it like you all say it use to be. Be part of the solution and not the part of the problem. We cant change it on our own but together we all can do wonders. 73 and hang in there we together can change it back to good of all man king..... :) ;D


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K9FON on June 15, 2011, 11:05:29 AM
I pretty much avoid any and all ham clubs. They are all about politics, and most of the guys are unfriendly towards newcomers. I just do my own thing and enjoy the hobby as it is. I dont need any club drama in my life...


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KU5Q on June 15, 2011, 07:44:55 PM
No organized group owes unconditional acceptance of outsiders. To have a friend, you must first be a friend. Give people their space and give them a chance to know you, and know it's their choice to do so. We are all different, and yet we are the same in many ways. A sincere smile, firm handshake and sincere interest in another person from the heart without conditions expecting something in return, still goes along ways. The person happy and content with them self understands this.

Regardless if it's church, your favorite hobby club, even the work place, if someone wants to be part of a group, there's one out there for them somewhere.

 :) 


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K1CJS on June 16, 2011, 10:33:00 AM
That may be true to a point, Terry, but there are clubs that are run by a small group of people who will 'allow' people to come in and who will welcome them, provided those newcomers are willing to pay the price, for too long of a time--sometimes years.  These people will only allow people into their inner circle once in a great while, and even if you're willing to go along with what these controllers want and ask for nothing in return, you will not be accepted UNLESS one of the inner circle takes a liking to you and persuades the other inner circle people to do the same.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K1CJS on June 16, 2011, 10:47:35 AM
I pretty much avoid any and all ham clubs. They are all about politics, and most of the guys are unfriendly towards newcomers. I just do my own thing and enjoy the hobby as it is. I dont need any club drama in my life...

Clubs were first formed to provide the members a place to play radio on a rig or at a station that had more than the individual members could afford.  Then the practice of forming a club took off with a full head of steam when two meters was opened up and accepted--and repeaters came into the equation.  A repeater could well be horrendously expensive to construct and operate, and the dues and events a club could collect and put on were a good source of the money needed to put together and support a repeater.

Once other means of communications came out, (cell phones, in particular) it was only a matter of time before that one main purpose of a club became moot--even though repeaters were still supported and still useful, not too many people needed phone patches and local communication abilities of a repeater anymore.  

Although still very much in existence, two meter repeaters are showing signs of dying out.  Some frequency pairs are still under coordination but are unused with the machines off the air, simply because nobody uses them anymore.

Clubs are going the same way.  Membership drives and other tricks to get hams and others to sign up are not keeping up with the decline in membership of most clubs.  The politics drive still more people away.  The only clubs still showing good, steady membership rolls are the ones with an outside income, or those who do NOT have any sort of physical ownership of equipment and/or property, and are just in existence to help hams get together and socialize.

That last, it seems, is the only ideal club in existence today--and for good reason.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: AD6KA on June 28, 2011, 10:14:08 PM
"Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far"

So what was the point of this post?

I once tried stamp collecting for a while and then
decided it wasn't for me.

Ham radio isn't for everyone.
If you don't like it just LEAVE and quit yer bitchin'!


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K1CJS on June 29, 2011, 04:33:37 AM
"Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far"

So what was the point of this post?

I once tried stamp collecting for a while and then
decided it wasn't for me.

Ham radio isn't for everyone.
If you don't like it just LEAVE and quit yer bitchin'!


AMEN!


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: N2RRA on June 29, 2011, 05:48:43 AM
No organized group owes unconditional acceptance of outsiders. To have a friend, you must first be a friend. Give people their space and give them a chance to know you, and know it's their choice to do so. We are all different, and yet we are the same in many ways. A sincere smile, firm handshake and sincere interest in another person from the heart without conditions expecting something in return, still goes along ways. The person happy and content with them self understands this.

Regardless if it's church, your favorite hobby club, even the work place, if someone wants to be part of a group, there's one out there for them somewhere.

 :) 

See! KU5Q's first sentence sounds more like "you gotta kiss my ass first attitude". That's the attitude that does not make Ham radio. All that does is allow them a selective process based on "reading a book by it's cover" and an excuse for what ever. That should not be Ham Radio as I knew it!

Bottom line! All Ham clubs should welcome a new comer with greeting them with a smile and as a friend. The "only" thing an outsider should not come with is any bad attitudes or negative intentions. A new Ham should always come with a smile and willing to participate as a team member.

After these guide lines then and only then if the new guests shows any negative traits should they be not excepted openly. Thats how it should be and always be!

73!



Point blank!


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K6AQ on July 12, 2011, 12:59:43 AM
Although still very much in existence, two meter repeaters are showing signs of dying out.  Some frequency pairs are still under coordination but are unused with the machines off the air, simply because nobody uses them anymore.

I recently got back into amateur radio and it seems like around here, the repeaters have taken to having a lot of nets about various stuff. Here's a list that one club here has. (http://www.palomararc.org/nets.htm) The other major repeater in my area is the one that does Newsline every Sunday, and that seems to be all they do as far as I know (I've been busy trying to get my HF setup working to my satisfaction in my condo, so I haven't been listening to the repeaters much).

IMO, I don't think 2 meter repeaters will completely die out because of their usefulness in emergency situations, but they're going to have to add value in other ways to stick around. There'll be a lot fewer, but much stronger too.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: N2RRA on July 12, 2011, 06:19:05 AM
Simple!

If you don't use it you'll lose it!

Already the FCC is considering stripping us of 70cm and out sourcing it to companies for business. So use it people for the many various modes or don't complain about it if it gets taken away because it's not being used.

73! :)


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K1CJS on July 13, 2011, 09:16:43 AM
...Already the FCC is considering stripping us of 70cm and out sourcing it to companies for business. So use it people for the many various modes or don't complain about it if it gets taken away because it's not being used....

Whether you're kidding or not, that won't happen.  The primary user of those frequencies are the military, radar systems, both early warning and others plus direction finding and position locating uses.  Ham radio is secondary on those frequencies.  To 'sell' them off for use to other companies/businesses, the NTIA would have to allow it--and they're not about to.  The only ones that could have us get off those frequencies ARE the military, as they've done around Cape Cod, Massachusetts and Northern California.  Other than that, the 440 mhz band is pretty safe.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KO3D on November 29, 2011, 07:46:20 PM
It's important to remember that clubs aren't the hobby. Unfortunately a lot of local clubs are obsessed with politics and cliques but that is true of any hobby club not just ham radio. Going on HF and forgetting the 2m world is the best thing you can do. I tried getting involved in a club but felt unwelcome from day one so I didn't go back. I haven't been on 2m in 2 years.  I've enjoyed the hobby much more since then!

I'm sure I'll catch some kind of flack from this,but I only speak from the experience I've had thus far.First off I don't need comments on a misspelling or improper punctuation,now that's out of the way.I'm sure there are some very nice hams out there and this doesn't apply to all,but I have had a very poor intro to the hobby here in Missouri,basically my ham radio equipment has become glorified police scanners with me checking into a net once in a while to make sure I can still transmit.Seems if you don't know someone or aren't Joe Schmo's son people on the air locally are downright unfriendly and it seems anytime I've ever gotten a decent conversation started with what sounded like new blood like myself other locals get on and muscle there way onto the repeater with there "tea chat" I understand that we all have rights to talk its just the manner and the timing,and another one of my favorites is how unknowledgable some of the so called "elmers" will be with newbies and tell you 'oh I don't know about those radios" or "I don't know about that issue" and then a miracle happens.........the next day or week you hear this same person you asked a question to become a expert on the device or situation to his or her pals.Isn't this about friendly communication? I mean nobody has to be my friend but a little common courtesy would be appreciated.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: WB8NUT on December 01, 2011, 07:27:10 AM
I always question posts like this where the person posting does not give his/her call. Critical or whining posts that are anonymous should not be taken seriously. If the person making the post was really serious, they would have given a call and a name and not "MRDUDE" or whatever. These anonymous posts should simply be ignored.

JMHO

Duffy
www.wb8nut.com


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K5JYD on December 13, 2011, 06:39:41 AM
I dropped out of the local club a year ago. Why ? Nothing much in common with the members. No dx'ers or cw ops (not even one)  in the club. Its a social group that interacts via 2m instead of facebook.
k5jyd


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8GTP on December 20, 2011, 08:35:34 AM
I remember the first club I checked out.  The guys had more yellow lights on their cars then a swat team, a few even came in wearing their yellow vests.  I think the term is 'whackers' :)  I went to the first meeting and never went back, even let them keep my $10 memebership fee.  Figure they could use it for more yellow lights and vests.  I did find a club without whackers, keep looking you will find a match!

Thx
Bart


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KC2EIW on December 21, 2011, 09:29:57 AM
MRDUDE: If you have a ham callsign you are already a member of an exclusive club, an Amateur Radio operator.  You will find that most will welcome you, offer support and just be generally friendly once you leave the small 2M world you are trapped in.  Explore HF and you will see another side to the hobby.  Why not start your own 10 meter rag chew "club"?  The only ham club I ever joined was back in high school when I needed to feel acceptance among my peers.  That was a long time ago.  This hobby is what YOU make of it, not anyone else.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: AB8ZX on December 22, 2011, 12:17:57 PM
I gave up on the whole local club and 'repeater scene' LONG ago in the early 90's.

Get on HF and make some contacts, forget about that 2 meter fm stuff. just a bunch of cliques on there and really boring activity. I'm sure people will disagree, but to me, that isn't what this hobby is about.

Everybody I know who has got out of the hobby were people who's only exposure to the hobby was 2 meter fm. I'm sure if they were chasing dx on 40 instead, they'd still be in the hobby.

I haven't owned an HT in 20 years.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KE7AAS on December 23, 2011, 05:47:12 PM
More More!!!  This is one of funniest fourms I have read in a long time!!

Oh yea its about clubs right?? Tried it and didnt like it the first time, nor the 2nd or 3rd time. Just am not into the club scene. I like to tinker and build dodads, so I play on HF a lot. VHF/UHF not so much. But I have built a few repeaters just because it was fun!!

Do what feels good!!!

Dan/NØFPE


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K3WEC on December 28, 2011, 07:41:33 PM
I remember the first club I checked out.  The guys had more yellow lights on their cars then a swat team, a few even came in wearing their yellow vests.  I think the term is 'whackers' :)  I went to the first meeting and never went back, even let them keep my $10 memebership fee.  Figure they could use it for more yellow lights and vests.  I did find a club without whackers, keep looking you will find a match!

Thx
Bart

Ha, this is hilarious!   The club I visited looked like the testing ground for Pabst Blue Ribbon.  Guys rolling in with tiny cars with coils and antennas growing out of every piece of sheetmetal....pickups that barely ran yet had more digital displays in the cab than would be found in a Boeing 757....cliquish groups that most people wouldn't want to be part of if there was a squirrel to talk to as an alternative.   Everyone had one or two HT's hanging off their pants.

Different strokes for different folks, I suppose!


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: VA7CPC on December 28, 2011, 11:04:10 PM
I don't plan on giving up so easily,I am going for my general to get into HF and dxing and have had some pleasant and interesting experiences just leaving echolink run on my phone or pc for a while and a random person from many of locations have struck up a conversation, . . .

The world is different on HF -- much, much bigger.

..          Charles


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8GTP on January 01, 2012, 09:04:58 AM
I remember the first club I checked out.  The guys had more yellow lights on their cars then a swat team, a few even came in wearing their yellow vests.  I think the term is 'whackers' :)  I went to the first meeting and never went back, even let them keep my $10 memebership fee.  Figure they could use it for more yellow lights and vests.  I did find a club without whackers, keep looking you will find a match!

Thx
Bart

Ha, this is hilarious!   The club I visited looked like the testing ground for Pabst Blue Ribbon.  Guys rolling in with tiny cars with coils and antennas growing out of every piece of sheetmetal....pickups that barely ran yet had more digital displays in the cab than would be found in a Boeing 757....cliquish groups that most people wouldn't want to be part of if there was a squirrel to talk to as an alternative.   Everyone had one or two HT's hanging off their pants.

Different strokes for different folks, I suppose!


A word of advice: if your just checking out a club drive through the parking lot before going inside.  If you see cars with yellow flashing lights on the roof along with a dozen antennas sticking out all over, keep driving !   Yellow lights and numerous antennas = WHACKERS, just keep driving :)


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K3WEC on January 01, 2012, 11:22:39 AM
I didn't see any yellow flashing lights.  What's that all about?   I did, however, park far away from the Geo Metro with a permanently-mounted studio mic.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: NA0AA on January 01, 2012, 11:36:31 AM
There are clubs and there are clubs.  I know one that is very interesting in that most of the members seemingly don't get on the air very much.  It's a rather static organization, the average members age is pretty high and bringing in new blood does not happen very much.

I know another club that has an entirely different dynamic, they are all about operating and have several well respected contest operators amongst 'em.  It makes for an entirely different experience.

There are contest clubs and public service oriented clubs also, so maybe it's just finding a good fit, or not bothering.  Once you are on HF, a local club is not as critical, but having an elmer or two can be nice.



Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: W9HQE on January 20, 2012, 02:01:51 PM
I lived in a city ( No name) where I was treated like a outsider from day one I went to a couple of meetings and met them several times for there daily lunch outings I always was treated poorly. I talked with a couple of hams in another town close to the one I lived in and they told me they treat everyone that way if you are not from the local university. Ok I understand now its a click. I have since moved to another town and have met a few of the hams here and plan on joining the club here. They are the nicest guys you ever would want to meet. I guess some folks just want to be stand offish and want it to be us four and no more its a shame amateur radio is one of the best hobbies ever and its a shame a few mess it up for a great bunch of people.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on January 21, 2012, 12:29:02 PM
Don't feel too bad. I havn't been on a radio in months. I've had my ticket almost 6 years now.
Even upgraded once.

Joined a club to pay for the use of their repeater & talked to a few people. 1 died of a blood clot after undergoing a gastric bypass while I was in a nursing home, 1 was a former Co-worker that I lost track of, And the other moved away and could no longer hit the repeater.

Couldn't afford to pay the dues after loosing my job, But there had been some kind of shakeup that I don't know the details of, but the president (she was a popular member) is no more and I hadn't heard her on the air in a while.

My VHF/UHF antenna has been down for a year and the neighbor ran over the coax with his riding mower, The way the power lines are around my house I'm doubtful if I could put up something safely for HF.

Can't do the antennas by myself even if I could afford it, Since I'm partially disabled from work injuries (knee & shoulder) I'm not "safe" on a roof. Don't have anybody to help. Since the wifoid is now an invalid I'm pretty much stuck at home unless there's somebody to watch her. Havn't decided if I am going to renew but I have till 2016 to decide.





Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K1CJS on January 24, 2012, 05:33:38 AM
Bob, if you're able to do this, it may get you back on the air.  Just get the antenna you have up on a ten foot mast outside your window.  No. it wouldn't be too far reaching, but it may get you back to the point that you can get back to the hobby.  I had to take down my antenna--a Hustler G7-144--because of the change of ownership of the poroperty I live at.  I put up a Radio Shack scanner antenna, the ground plane type on a ten foot mast supported by a bucket of concrete, and although I can't get out as far as I used to, I can still use my radio.

Just a suggestion.  73!


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on January 24, 2012, 02:06:45 PM
Bob, if you're able to do this, it may get you back on the air.  Just get the antenna you have up on a ten foot mast outside your window.  No. it wouldn't be too far reaching, but it may get you back to the point that you can get back to the hobby.  I had to take down my antenna--a Hustler G7-144--because of the change of ownership of the poroperty I live at.  I put up a Radio Shack scanner antenna, the ground plane type on a ten foot mast supported by a bucket of concrete, and although I can't get out as far as I used to, I can still use my radio.

Just a suggestion.  73!
At the moment the antenna (Tram 1481) is laying where it fell across the roof (Inaccessible by me) with the radials bent, and the coax cut by the neighbors lawnmower. it already has 15 foot of mast.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KC7MF on January 24, 2012, 08:13:24 PM
Ok.  So Bob lives in Ohio.  Suburb of Dayton if I recall.  Where is someone who can spend part of an afternoon putting up Bob's antenna or jury-rigging something to get him back on the air?  Isn't that what ham radio is all about?  How about all of the old timers who spend day and night bitching about no-code hams doing what THEIR Elmers did when they let them pound out practice code and help Bob get back on the air?

Hearing things like this makes me angry.  Are we just too busy to help a fellow ham for a few minutes?  The entire of city of Dayton and nobody will help him?  Who of us doesn't have a piece of coax our wives would love for us to throw away?  And how about the radio club?  Not a soul ever dropped Bob a call to see what is going on.  If someone is out of work is that club really going to go after him for his dues?  

No you see, ham radio is dying.  Probably dying because new hams don't know Morse code.  That must be it.  Right?  

If ham radio dies it is because we didn't do our J-o-b-s.  If I miss a golf game my friends what to know why.  If I don't show up and my volunteer job I get calls.  Why does this not happen in ham radio clubs?  I have heard this all too often.  Who in your club is responsible for membership?  And who helps that membership person drop people who are missing a call and see if they are OK?  Or maybe need a waiver of the dues until times improve.  Would that bankrupt the club?  This whole thread is a testimonial to missed opportunities.  

So here is the deal.  If one of the 1239 licensed hams in Dayton and God knows how many more in the area is willing to help Bob get back on the air maybe they could give him a call or send him an email.  He is obviously easily reachable here on eham.  Maybe he doesn't want a hand but it might be nice for someone to offer.  Maybe someone in his old radio club might contact him?  Big eyeroll. ::)  How many of those 1239 hams has a spare HT he could use just until he can get his station fixed?  I doubt there are too many of us who don't use at least one old one for a bookend.  

Maybe you don't have any coax to spare in Dayton to get this gentleman back on the air.  Let me know.  I'll send you some from Arizona.  We are tripping over the stuff.  It would be delicious irony if one of my fellow no-code amateurs would Elmer Bob back on to the air again.  

How about it Ohio?  Dayton?  Really?  The titular home of Ham Radio.  Home of the Dayton Hamfest?  DARA?  Anyone home?

I  hope I have not made anyone really mad.  Well maybe a little.

 


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K1CJS on January 25, 2012, 05:12:44 AM
'UXE--great post!  Now---any takers?  If not in Dayton itself, how about the suburbs?  73!


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K3WEC on January 26, 2012, 12:54:53 PM
I second the GREAT post 'UXE.    Best I've read on this site I think.

If no one comes forward to help KD8DEY, then by golly let's get the guy a small HT - how about the Beofeng?  I'll kick in the first $10.   Be glad to source it, program some frequencies, and ship it to him myself.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KC7MF on January 26, 2012, 02:22:51 PM
Put me down for $10.00 too.  Great idea!


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K3WEC on January 26, 2012, 04:11:40 PM
OK, we're off to a great start.   The Baofeng is about $50 shipped from China so we only need about $30 more.  

Let's wait a few days to see whether a local Dayton ham will quickly step up to help Bob with his antenna/coax.   In the meantime, others interested in applying a few bucks (specify amount) towards the backup plan can email me at K3WEC at YAHOO dot COM.   I'll put folks on the list in the order in which they email me.  Once we reach a $50 combined commit, I'll post here and place the order if no one has stepped up in Dayton.   Only then will I ask that money be sent to me...


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on January 26, 2012, 06:13:12 PM
It's a great gesture guys and I really appreciate it BUT a HT really wouldn't do me a lot of good. I am in a hole and reception/transmission is spotty at best.
That is why I had the antenna on top of the roof with a 15 foot mast.

I have enough extra coax length that I could probably cut a foot or so off each end where the neighbors mower ran over it and splice it back together with a barrel connector & a couple of PL259's with the 75 ohm adapters to get rid of any corrosion/water seepage.

My big problem is being able to get the parts and to find somebody willing to get on the roof to get the antenna back up, The radials bent back properly & knows how to install the straps so they don't fail again. Since my vehicle isn't running I don't even have a way to get anywhere to get the stuff even if it was a piece at a time if I came across a few extra bucks.

Google earth has an OLD street view of the house I am in where you can see my roof if you type in my address and zip code

If the radials cant be straightened I could possibly replace them with the same length of threaded rod and cover them with something to prevent corrosion.

In 2007, a little over a year after I got my ticket I became ill unexpectedly and was off the air in and out of the hospital.  After a few major surgeries, a month in a nursing home I could barely sit up for an hour or walk a block. 2 years later I found myself getting around a lot better even though not 100%.

Even though SSDI agrees that I have a lot of problems they don't consider them all together and no 1 problem stands out enough for me to qualify.

My employer of 9 years (Same security company DARA uses each year for ham fest) screwed me saying that they thought I quit 4 months before the doctors even released me. No companies want to hire somebody else's damaged goods.

So I decided to go back to school. Enrolled in ITT tech's CEET program. Had to drop out 3 quarters before graduation to take care of my wife whom became an Invalid and undergoing Dialysis. Now we are trying to get by on her SSDI alone and I get to stay at home to take care of her and her grandson.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K3WEC on January 26, 2012, 07:42:35 PM
Bob, I understand about the HT and being in low area.   We'll try to find some assistance for you to get your antenna back up.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KC7MF on January 30, 2012, 09:47:30 PM
It doesn't seem like anyone in Dayton is awake so I sent a note to the President of DARA referring him to this thread.  We'll see if he can rustle someone up.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KC7MF on January 31, 2012, 07:09:14 PM
Good new Bob.  Help is on the way.  I wrote to the president of DARA and he had not heard of your situation.  He said he would read our posts at their Friday meeting and said that they would help.

So Bob, let us know how it goes.  We need to give credit to DARA for their help because we got on their case pretty hard.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KB8OCP on January 31, 2012, 08:16:15 PM
Hi Gang,
Bob, Rick and all.
My good friend and DARA Pres. Don N6JRL alerted me to this situation earlier this evening. (thanks Rick) We had not heard about this...and I am usually made aware quickly.

I live in Kettering (good in the callbooks)
I admit that I have not read all of the comments on this thread yet.
However, I understand that Bob might need a hand getting some aluminum put back up and a coax splice performed.
Not a problem! I hate when my neighbor runs over my coax...grrrrr! worse when I do it  ;D
Feel free to contact me directly @ kb8ocp@yahoo.com
or forums@hamvention.org
I have a 13 ele 2m beam sitting in my barn that you are welcome to. We can also figure out a way to get you on HF if you desire.
Don't give up on you local clubs....I quit DARA some years back....but I finally woke up and realized that
I could be, and affect, the changes I wanted to see.
I will be recruiting a work crew this Friday at the meeting.
You will be full quieting into the machines and 10 over 9 soon Bob. I promise!
73
de
Dave Kalter KB8OCP


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on January 31, 2012, 08:20:21 PM
Richard, That would be great if DARA comes through. I have a friend in Cincinnati that talked me into getting my Ticket (Shamed me into it) We lost contact with each other for 20 Years. When we reconnected He was a Ham.
He even made me upgrade to General together.

We both took the general exam and passed at the midnight madness test session held by DARA.
My buddy, KC8VLE Doesn't have a reliable vehicle to make it this far (60 miles+) and He's afraid of my pointy roof.

I've been on the DARA website, And it says "The lights are always on and the bands are always clear".
Since I took my general test there I was interested in checking out the club/members further. Stopped by their clubhouse a few different times on the weekend and nobody ever seemed to be there.

They have an electronic gate with keypad at the driveway so there is no driving up to knock on the door and nobody ever came out. Just for giggles I took a photo of their big stone with the engraving with the cell phone I had at the time.



Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on January 31, 2012, 08:49:31 PM
Hi Gang,
Bob, Rick and all.
My good friend and DARA Pres. Don N6JRL alerted me to this situation earlier this evening. (thanks Rick) We had not heard about this...and I am usually made aware quickly.

I live in Kettering (good in the callbooks)
I admit that I have not read all of the comments on this thread yet.
However, I understand that Bob might need a hand getting some aluminum put back up and a coax splice performed.
Not a problem! I hate when my neighbor runs over my coax...grrrrr! worse when I do it  ;D
Feel free to contact me directly @ kb8ocp@yahoo.com
or forums@hamvention.org
I have a 13 ele 2m beam sitting in my barn that you are welcome to. We can also figure out a way to get you on HF if you desire.
Don't give up on you local clubs....I quit DARA some years back....but I finally woke up and realized that
I could be, and affect, the changes I wanted to see.
I will be recruiting a work crew this Friday at the meeting.
You will be full quieting into the machines and 10 over 9 soon Bob. I promise!
73
de
Dave Kalter KB8OCP

That would be great to be able to get back on the air again BUT the crew could get scared away by my pointy roof. They might want to check out my street view on google earth before committing. My call is good on yahoo

73


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KB8OCP on January 31, 2012, 09:39:16 PM
Fear not Bob, 8)
The guys I have in mind include a professional roofer,
a couple of Marines  and 1 crazy guy (me) ok, well maybe 2 crazy guys...I will let you figure out who..
but I will give you a hint ...his call is WB8QZZ! ;)
Now that guy is well...Anyway, my job is, as I promised you, is to get you back on the ham bands. N6JRL will be on the team (cause I said so! hi hi) that cazy Marine went to an Island in Antarctica to play radio (3Y0X) look it up,(that's crazy) it's pretty famous. He might land on you roof from above hi hi.

While you wait for this motley crew of misfit hams to
whip tar into you mangled aluminum,and molding
coax....
Go visit Don And my Youthdx.org website.
And please enjoy my good friend Bob Heil's Hamnation on Twit tv. Some of our Kids are interviewed on Episode #25.
( yep that was in my shack, I am so proud of those kids!)
Trust me Bob, Fixing your Antennas is easy peasy!
We will GATER DONE! and we ain't your normal Larry the cable guys!
Looking forward to meeting you Bob, but I suspect, we probably already have!
73
de
Dave Kalter KB8OCP


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KB8OCP on January 31, 2012, 11:32:07 PM


They have an electronic gate with keypad at the driveway so there is no driving up to knock on the door and nobody ever came out. Just for giggles I took a photo of their big stone with the engraving with the cell phone I had at the time.


Bob, I forgot to invite you to the DARA Club meeting this Friday.
You mentioned that you car was broken.
I will pick you up and bring you home. The meeting starts at about 7:00
at the Kettering Rec-center. Shall I pick you up around 6:00??
 Friday,You will have a membership card and a programmed key fob that will allow you
key-swipe access to the gate and club station.(my treat) So that you can enter at your pleasure.
DARA is the finest radio club in the world! All are welcome!
We need more positive thinkers and doers in the club Bob.
Awaiting your e-mail or your response here.


Dave Kalter

KB8OCP

Dayton Hamvention® Forums Chairman

http://www.hamvention.org/

Youth DX Adventure Co-Founder

http://www.youthdx.org/





Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on February 01, 2012, 12:23:51 AM

 Friday,You will have a membership card and a programmed key fob that will allow you
key-swipe access to the gate and club station.(my treat) So that you can enter at your pleasure.
Does that mean that I am being "Drafted" into the club ?? :)


Bob, I forgot to invite you to the DARA Club meeting this Friday.
You mentioned that you car was broken.
I will pick you up and bring you home. The meeting starts at about 7:00
at the Kettering Rec-center. Shall I pick you up around 6:00??


I Appreciate the invite. My wife has Dialysis Mon-Wed-Fri in the evenings and her ambulette doesn't bring her home until anywhere between 6:15-7:pm depending how late her session runs and if her ambulette is running  +/- on time.

The only times I can get out is when we arrange for somebody to be here with her unless it's a short time or she is at an appointment. I'm usually stuck here with her grandson. ,


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KB8OCP on February 01, 2012, 12:51:35 AM
Quote
Does that mean that I am being "Drafted" into the club ??
Yep, consider yourself a member!
I will take care of your sign-up and stuff at the Friday meeting.
Quote
The only times I can get out is when we arrange for somebody to be here with her unless it's a short time or she is at an appointment. I'm usually stuck here with her grandson

I understand.....the invite stands if you get someone to cover for you.
just let me know....even late Friday afternoon.
Your DARA dues are covered and I will get the key fob (gate & club station keys) to you shortly.
73
Dave Kalter KB8OCP


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KC7MF on February 01, 2012, 09:03:32 AM
DAVE!.  Wow.  What a response! You guys are really stepping up to the plate.  THIS is what the hobby is all about and it makes me proud to be a ham.  If I should be able to break away for the Hamvention this year I am going to shake you guys' hands off.

Way to go.  

Thanks!

Rick

KE7UXE


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on February 01, 2012, 10:46:14 AM
DAVE!.  Wow.  What a response! You guys are really stepping up to the plate.  THIS is what the hobby is all about and it makes me proud to be a ham.  If I should be able to break away for the Hamvention this year I am going to shake you guys' hands off.

Way to go.  

Thanks!

Rick

KE7UXE

Yep, Definitely above and beyond anybody's expectations. I'm pretty much speechless at this point.
All I can do is Humbly accept and say thank you everybody for your help.
73


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K3WEC on February 01, 2012, 04:30:14 PM
Wow this is fantastic!   I resorted to emailing hams listed on QRZ in the area, and was not getting the response wanted even with persistence.   Way to go!

Bob, if you get set up on HF sometime I will look forward to working you from the Lone Star State!

Dave - all I can say is that I'm very impressed.  Hat's off.  Wish I had a club in the area with your club's attitude.   This thread should be "stickied" as the way things should go!

73,

Bill


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on February 03, 2012, 07:09:22 PM
I wonder how the meeting went and what the outcome was... Probably still going on. Get a bunch of hams around a radio and a HUMONGOUS set of antennas.......... :)

So was I voted in? Whats the secret handshake?

Out of curiosity does the club have a technical library or a "Lab"?
I'm anxious to find out.... :)


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KC7MF on February 05, 2012, 01:52:58 PM
Did you hear anything from the club?  I thought you might be up and running pretty soon.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on February 05, 2012, 02:41:09 PM
Did you hear anything from the club?  I thought you might be up and running pretty soon.

I havn't heard from the club itself BUT I Have heard from Dave via E-mail. Looks Like I'm a DARA member :)
AND I will be back on the air SOON!!

Just finished sending Dave a E-mail so we could work out the particulars :)
Thanks Again Everybody
73
Robert


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K1CJS on February 07, 2012, 04:35:57 AM
Glad things worked out!  It sounds like there is plenty of good will being spread around there--wish I was there too!!  73!


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on February 07, 2012, 03:55:25 PM
Well, I just got to meet Dave and Don and they have "Scoped out" the situation.

They have commitments this weekend But are pretty confident they can get me back on VHF/UHF by salvaging my antenna the following weekend. :)  Even loaned me a copy of the operators manual to browse through.

They have a Comet vertical I can use to get on HF till the weather gets warmer and I can figure out something a little better. :) I don't think they liked the look of the different lines around the property either.

I have been thinking about a 6m loop for the roof or Attic if I could find a way to run a cable down to the basement BUT that is for another time. I'm just happy looking forward to soon being able to get back on the air.

I need to get more active than I have been now that I am at home taking care of the wife instead of work/school.

Dave is into Boat anchor work and I think he was trying to hide a bit of drool when he saw the Hallicrafters.

Maybe when time/money permits I will suck,,,,er I mean try to talk him into helping me finish going through it and get it on the air for Boat anchor nights......

By the look of things I will probably be back on the air the weekend after Valentines Day.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KC7MF on February 07, 2012, 06:30:46 PM
So here is the real deal.  It looks like DARA showed us that they are still the real thing...One of, if not THE, premier club in the country. 

After I wrote to their President Don, N6JRL, I did some looking and it sure seems that they have a lot going on.  Read about Dave Kalter, KB8OCP, and his Youth DX Adventure.  Maybe a couple of us could put some money in their kitty and help these kids have the trip of a lifetime.  http://www.qsl.net/n6jrl/

It looks like there is a lesson for all clubs here.  Sometimes people slip through the cracks despite our best intentions.  So, it is up to all of us to keep our eyes and ears out for people who need a hand.  What the DARA people are doing for Bob is exactly what the spirit of amateur radio is all about.  It is not a sport, a gear collector's guild, a private club with a secret code or a political organization.  It is called the Amateur Radio Service for a reason.  We serve our communities and our country when called upon and we serve each other every day. 

There isn't a one of us who has not pondered what we would do if we heard an SOS.  There is not a one of us who would not consider it an honor and a privilege to use our skills and our training to serve someone in danger.  Helping people like Bob is just an extension of this spirit. 

If clubs around the country would look a little harder they would find opportunities like this to help a fellow ham close at hand.  Every club should have an outreach manager whose job it is to look for opportunities to serve. Every club should devote a night a year to calling all of the hams in the area and inviting them to participate in the club.  The person taking roll call every month should look to see who has missed a couple of meetings and drop them a call to see if they are alright and let them know that they are missed.  Getting that call feels really good. 

I know something else good that will come of this.  When things get a little less hectic for Bob he will be the one stepping up and helping the next one of us who needs a little helping hand.  And we will, most of us, need it someday.  He knows how good it feels to realize that the people of his club honor and value him and want him to be amongst a group of friends who know that they will all be better off for his unique contribution to the group.  So he will loan a new kid his old antenna tuner, visit a fellow ham in the hospital, help with kids day or when that winning power-ball ticket comes in send a whole busload of those kids off to Costa Rica with Dave. 

This thread is titled "Disappointment with the hobby and clubs so far".  For Bob 'so far' is over.  I hope there are tons of club members who will take Bob's story to their next meeting and read it to the assembled masses.   As long as there are clubs like DARA, led by people like Don, with members like Dave and his crew,  ham radio will not be on the decline.  It will just be getting better and better.  I sincerely hope that everyone who reads this will stop by the DARA booth at the Hamvention next year and pat whoever happens to be there on the back. 


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on February 07, 2012, 09:21:25 PM
Yup, DARA is really going above and beyond for a (former) non member that nobody really knew. Being such, with only a few radio acquaintances, and not a whole lot of operating time makes it a bit awkward to seek help.

 I'm pretty much still a Noobie that just happens to enjoy playing around with electronics. Still much to learn about accepted operating practices and liable to make a few mistakes.

Now, Not am I only in what looks to be a very active club, I will be able to get back on the air and perhaps make some new friends along the way. Maybe a pal or 2 that likes to tinker with old radios etc.

If I have a "sitter" for my wife, I have been invited to help out for Hamvention, even been "offered" the opportunity to run one of the golf carts...... I don't know what my wife's aide's schedule will be so I am playing it by ear.

Since my last employer bent me over after 9 years service when I got sick/terminated under emergency medical leave is the outside security company they use, wouldn't that be a HOOT for their owner or supervisor to run across me working the event :)

I wonder if DARA lets members go dumpster diving for lost treasures.........


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on February 16, 2012, 11:22:12 AM
Looks like I'm hosting a party (Antenna) Sunday morning :)


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KC7MF on February 17, 2012, 06:46:49 PM
Outstanding!

Let us know how it goes!


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KE4YOG on February 17, 2012, 07:24:09 PM
I will be hosting an antenna party in mid march. After 16 years of being licensed I finally joined a club. I was inactive for about 10 years due to getting married and not upgrading and not having the time. Now that I am seperated soon to be divorced I took the time to upgrade on October 1. I think being in a club helps a good bit.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on February 19, 2012, 10:57:03 AM
Mine eyes have seen the glory :)

How many people can claim to have seen the President of a major ham radio association
walking around on a roof while the son of the chairman of the biggest event in ham radio is assisting AND the chairman himself is doing the "Ground work"

YUP I'm back on the air. There is still some stuff to be done. The VHF/UHF antenna is rigged up temporarily till good straps can be located AND they have loaned me a comet 250b till I can come up with something.

DARA is really coming through for me.

BUT I gotta ask. How many clubs can claim they have a president this active out in the field?
HECK, I even got to watch him "field dress" and solder connectors onto fresh coax using a butane torch and a pocket knife.

Too bad they were pressed for time. They didn't have time to try out the shack or help themselves to some quick grub. Now I got a whole other problem. What am I to do with all this Chili brewing. 2 pots, one mild for the wife, & another one spicy for myself.

between mixing the 2 you could have about any level of heat you wanted.
Good thing I didn't have time to make the cornbread.......But then again, A fresh jug of Buttermilk and THAT wouldn't go to waste around here :)

Well , there's always the freezer......


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KC7MF on February 19, 2012, 05:50:55 PM
How cool is this?  Just about as cool as you can get!  I am glad you are up and running.

I sure hope that a bunch of clubs were following this thread.  We can all learn from DARA.  They really stepped up to the plate!



Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on February 19, 2012, 05:57:08 PM
PS
If Dave is reading this, Don forgot his pliers!!!

PPS
(I sent Dave a message that I was holding the pliers hostage but I havn't heard from him.
I hope he didn't take it wrong)

Since Don is a retired Marine I was hoping they would stop by for a quick rescue mission.
Semper FI.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K3WEC on February 20, 2012, 06:23:26 PM
AND they have loaned me a comet 250b till I can come up with something.

So what HF bands will you be working?   :)


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on February 20, 2012, 06:54:24 PM
AND they have loaned me a comet 250b till I can come up with something.

So what HF bands will you be working?   :)

Last night I got with my buddy in cincy and we tried to contact each other from 80-10m
no luck...even tried 2m SSB.

Only way we were able to hook up was on a 2m repeater.
Dunno if we are over shooting each other or what??

We were hoping to be able to either be able to hook up on HF or simplex.

6 years ago when I first got into radio I was working security. to pass some time my buddy and i were talking on a seldom used repeater and had a run in with a repeater nazi.

Been working on setting up HRD looking for up to date lists for digital modes and up to date repeater lists. I still need to hook up with somebody on SSB so I can adjust the Mic before I try setting up the volume levels on the sound card for Digital modes.

Some of the repeaters have gone to DStar while I was off and a couple appear to be gone.

OARC will probably come out with a new list during hamvention BUT they are not entirely accurate. Some of the Calls and pl tones etc are wrong which is suprising since it is the Ohio Amateur Repeater Council........

PS
Have you seen the thread view count lately?


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K3WEC on February 20, 2012, 07:14:18 PM
Last night I got with my buddy in cincy and we tried to contact each other from 80-10m
no luck...even tried 2m SSB.

Only way we were able to hook up was on a 2m repeater.
Dunno if we are over shooting each other or what??

Yeah, radio waves are weird.  

RE: Thread count - you are one popular guy!


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on February 20, 2012, 07:20:26 PM
Last night I got with my buddy in cincy and we tried to contact each other from 80-10m
no luck...even tried 2m SSB.

Only way we were able to hook up was on a 2m repeater.
Dunno if we are over shooting each other or what??

Yeah, radio waves are weird.  

RE: Thread count - you are one popular guy!

[Blush] Aw geez [/Blush]
Got a little while before I gotta check on "She whom must be obeyed" so I am parked on 3815 at the moment.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: G1YGJ on February 21, 2012, 04:58:48 AM
Try Echolink, it's always friendly and you get to chat to loads of interesting people. The "Irish Conference Server" on Node 7125 is particularly good. I monitor it most of the time when I'm in the shack. Give me a call!


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on February 22, 2012, 08:36:15 AM
Try Echolink, it's always friendly and you get to chat to loads of interesting people. The "Irish Conference Server" on Node 7125 is particularly good. I monitor it most of the time when I'm in the shack. Give me a call!
I have Clearwire wireless internet service which isn't the best.

Connection speeds vary by weather and the amount of leaves on the trees between me an their tower.

 I can get online But if I want to watch a online video I have to download it with a utility or put up with constant freezing.

On a lighter note since getting the antennas up I have made some local contacts on 2m SSB /10m SSB :)


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K3WEC on February 22, 2012, 07:58:34 PM
On a lighter note since getting the antennas up I have made some local contacts on 2m SSB /10m SSB :)


That's great. I wish I could find some local 10m SSB activity in the Dallas area.  Maybe it's there and I just miss it.   


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K8KAS on March 03, 2012, 06:54:32 AM
First 2 meters and the repeater club crap is not Ham radio. Your wasting your time, get on HF and start building or learning something technical so you have a bit of knowledge to chat with. I have been a Ham for over 50 years and if clubs and 2 meters was it I would have been gone in a year, to me they were a bunch of old ladies crabbing about nothing or how to spend the $500 bucks in the club coffers...Denny K8KAS 73


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on March 03, 2012, 03:00:13 PM
First 2 meters and the repeater club crap is not Ham radio. Your wasting your time, get on HF and start building or learning something technical so you have a bit of knowledge to chat with. I have been a Ham for over 50 years and if clubs and 2 meters was it I would have been gone in a year, to me they were a bunch of old ladies crabbing about nothing or how to spend the $500 bucks in the club coffers...Denny K8KAS 73

They have repeaters on SSB 2m?? 10m isn't HF??? I thought VHF started around 50MHz.

I only needed 3 quarters to get my associates in computers and electronics before I had to drop classes to take care of my bedridden wife.

The PC boards I drew by hand along with the occasional dry transfer and etched, The project kits I have built along the way....... Transceiver repairs over the years (not talking about just wiring up a microphone but actual troubleshooting/parts replacement) before I ever took an electronics class or became a ham...

Yes I have plugged a few circuits into a proto board and hooked them up to an O-Scope (Yes I have one on my personal bench at home)
Boy what was I thinking...............

Of course none of that counts since I'm just a general lite

PS
DARA seems to be a lot more than just a "Repeater Club"


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KG4NEL on March 05, 2012, 11:55:00 AM
Standard-issue "It's not ham radio if it's different than what I like".


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on March 05, 2012, 06:20:49 PM
Standard-issue "It's not ham radio if it's different than what I like".

He's probably just out trolling, But I would have thought it was still a little too cold out........


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K8OCN on March 16, 2012, 10:55:36 PM
First of all, don't worry about unfriendly people. I have been a Ham for 30 years, if I get on our local repeater I feel like a stranger and a outcast.

Its only natural for people to split up into little groups. Scan the ban (if you are operating 2 meters) and look for some simplex operation. In our area most of what I would call "Good Hams" operate simplex.

Also if you rig has the ability to operate D-Star Get on some of the reflectors, Reflector  1 C has stations checking in for all over the world and i have never heard any unfriendly people (I have listened to people that I could not understand, their accent coupled with my hearing means I cant always understand them.

I do not know if you are a General (if not don't worry about it, If I can do it ANYONE CAN) If you are going to get started in HF I would suggest 17 meters, small antenna, easy to build a wire and most people on 17 meters are very nice.

If you want to make your local Hams sound good and you have a HF receiver, tune in to 14.313 after you listen to those people your locals will seem like Saints to you!

Have fun, don't let anyone chase you off the air, us old farts need the new blood!
Delbert McCord
KA8OCN
 


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K1CJS on March 18, 2012, 07:59:44 AM
Quote
First 2 meters and the repeater club crap is not Ham radio. Your wasting your time, get on HF and start building or learning something technical so you have a bit of knowledge to chat with....

Just because it's a part of ham radio that isn't liked by someone, it isn't ham radio.  That's the worst type of claptrap there is, since ham radio is what YOU make it to be.  This is the one major reason why some people come to this hobby and then leave it immediately--the attitudes of certain hams like this one that can't allow for anything they don't like.  

Be it HF, VHF--or even the newer UHF and XHF frequencies, whether it is CW, voice or data, whether its getting a modern, first class equipped station or using the boat anchors of yesteryear, it's ALL ham radio, no matter what it is in it that certain old timers don't like--or appreciate.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on March 21, 2012, 01:11:37 AM
Now that I have HF capability I have Been hanging around a bit on the local 10m frequency.
seems that a few DARA members are hanging out on there as well. Maybe integrate myself
into the group slowly over time....

Still waiting on my club access code and key fob along with my first issue of the club newsletter :)

When I'm not on I have been letting others tune around remotely. Got a few different people tuning in the local control tower frequencies listening in on Aircraft traffic. They have been tuning in a lot lately. An IP look up tells me that they are tuning in from Canada.

I still need to work on grounding. Scrambled the radio and had to do a Hard Reset. Thought I had blown something. SSB went out on all bands. Only had transmit on AM/FM!!


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: W2RWJ on March 21, 2012, 03:42:58 PM
First 2 meters and the repeater club crap is not Ham radio. Your wasting your time, get on HF and start building or learning something technical.

Denny,
At the recent OMARC meeting, one of our members (who is 60+ in age) pulls out his iPad and demonstrates remote control of the HF radio at his home station via IP.    After the meeting, the site guys continue installing cabling in the classroom for the video conferencing system.  The same weekend, our resident brass team competed in a CW contest.

The following weekend, (during a work party installing servers and IT equipment)  there was discussion over lunch re on the possibility of deploying an iGate at the N2MO station to work in tandem with the W2GSA digi.

There's more to the hobby then HF.....

73 Martin Flynn
W2RWJ




Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K3WEC on March 21, 2012, 03:49:19 PM
Now that I have HF capability I have Been hanging around a bit on the local 10m frequency.
seems that a few DARA members are hanging out on there as well. Maybe integrate myself
into the group slowly over time....

Still waiting on my club access code and key fob along with my first issue of the club newsletter :)

When I'm not on I have been letting others tune around remotely. Got a few different people tuning in the local control tower frequencies listening in on Aircraft traffic. They have been tuning in a lot lately. An IP look up tells me that they are tuning in from Canada.

I still need to work on grounding. Scrambled the radio and had to do a Hard Reset. Thought I had blown something. SSB went out on all bands. Only had transmit on AM/FM!!


How do I listen in?

You think I can set up my old Drake for remote listening?  I'm envisioning a giant servo system and gear train to turn the PTO, band switch, RF gain, and antenna tuner.   ;D


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KD8DEY on March 21, 2012, 04:05:45 PM
Now that I have HF capability I have Been hanging around a bit on the local 10m frequency.
seems that a few DARA members are hanging out on there as well. Maybe integrate myself
into the group slowly over time....

Still waiting on my club access code and key fob along with my first issue of the club newsletter :)

When I'm not on I have been letting others tune around remotely. Got a few different people tuning in the local control tower frequencies listening in on Aircraft traffic. They have been tuning in a lot lately. An IP look up tells me that they are tuning in from Canada.

I still need to work on grounding. Scrambled the radio and had to do a Hard Reset. Thought I had blown something. SSB went out on all bands. Only had transmit on AM/FM!!


How do I listen in?

You think I can set up my old Drake for remote listening?  I'm envisioning a giant servo system and gear train to turn the PTO, band switch, RF gain, and antenna tuner.   ;D

You probably could just tune it to an interesting frequency......

http://beta.remotehams.com/orb.html?id=2308


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: N2LXM on April 17, 2012, 09:41:12 AM
I can see how some people can be disappointed with clubs. The two clubs I belong to are very active. This Saturday one club will be holding it's Spring Tailgate Hamfest, We are also going to be on the Air for the 25th Anniversary for the International Marconi Day Special Event. Having an active club with members who help others is one reason I belong to these groups.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: N0SOY on April 24, 2012, 06:19:17 PM
I live in an area in MO that has a similar problem.  There are 2 clubs.  One is so clannish that I was told that new members were not really wanted.  The other told me that their purpose was not to help new hams get started or on th air but to maintain the repeater and have a nightly net.  No one has offered to help me with anything. 

I want to try HF (40 meters looks good) and have a lot of questions that could be answered by an elmer. 

At this rate the younger potential hams are going become fewer and fewer.




Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: AF3Y on June 24, 2012, 07:48:24 AM
I don't plan on giving up so easily,I am going for my general to get into HF and dxing and have had some pleasant and interesting experiences just leaving echolink run on my phone or pc for a while and a random person from many of locations have struck up a conversation,I am fascinated with rf and electronics,I was the kid who had my mother chasing me around the house because I took the vcr apart at 7 years old to see how it worked  ;D.RF equipment and cabling was in my job desciption for many years.I have gotten some good pointers on other forums and what seem like friendly people but just seems a waste that some of the locals seem to act this way

Get your extra, learn CW and try DX, you will never ::) go back to where you are now.......... Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: N2RRA on June 24, 2012, 10:21:28 PM
WOW! This thread is still going!

This hobby has such a huge variety of options that no body really needs a club unless you share the same social characteristics ,or facets of the hobby many others do. I for one don't need a club because I'm a very easy going, considerate, open minded, generous, social individual. I can go anyway and meet anyone and within minutes share drinks, jokes, laughs and good times, or can enjoy days, hours, months and years by myself like I have for 22 years as a ham.

I posted a comment on this thread about a year ago or so on my bad experiences with repeaters and a club or two. Turned out I even mentioned a club back then I participated with during Field Day that turned out to be the best club atmosphere I ever experienced in 22 years.

This year for 2012 I decided to try a different club and the majority of the members were a total bunch of, JERKS!

You don't like one then try another club till you find the one that suits you. If that doesn't work then improve your out look on life and improve your social skills so that no matter where you go you can adapt and fit right in anywhere unless you still run into a club full of obnoxious miserobs.

That simple!

73,


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K5JYD on June 28, 2012, 06:05:27 AM
No one around here actually does a real field day anymore, its really just a social event and usually they eat more burgers than they make  qso,s , :-), but it does not matter, its just a hobby. The local clubs are experts at talking about ham radio and how wonderful ham radio is but many of the extras in these clubs know little abt hf and seldom get on hf , some don't even know how to build or put up a dipole and 99% know nothing abt cw  or dx  . I find this amusing since I have never met a modern day ham that didnt want to know cw or was not planning on learning it ,:-). The average modern day ham has radios running out of his ears, (most are vhf/uhf) , usually has a vertical or beam somewhere in the yard that does not work right and he is always going to check that out some day, they don't know cw or chase dx, never heard of worked all states and they brag abt making a phone contact into the next county,:-), they secretly yearn for a disaster to happen so they can save the world with their ht and deep down inside  they always wanted to be a cop or a fireman , :-). Thats ok, its just a hobby .
k5jyd
OOTC


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: N2RRA on June 28, 2012, 07:53:49 AM
No one around here actually does a real field day anymore, its really just a social event and usually they eat more burgers than they make  qso,s , :-), but it does not matter, its just a hobby. The local clubs are experts at talking about ham radio and how wonderful ham radio is but many of the extras in these clubs know little abt hf and seldom get on hf , some don't even know how to build or put up a dipole and 99% know nothing abt cw  or dx  . I find this amusing since I have never met a modern day ham that didnt want to know cw or was not planning on learning it ,:-). The average modern day ham has radios running out of his ears, (most are vhf/uhf) , usually has a vertical or beam somewhere in the yard that does not work right and he is always going to check that out some day, they don't know cw or chase dx, never heard of worked all states and they brag abt making a phone contact into the next county,:-), they secretly yearn for a disaster to happen so they can save the world with their ht and deep down inside  they always wanted to be a cop or a fireman , :-). Thats ok, its just a hobby .
k5jyd
OOTC

Sounds like Field Day around here to me too this year ,but thats not the case all over and the context of your statement is misleading. No offense!

Not all Field Day Clubs and attendees show up to eat and leaving as soon as the break down begins. Lot of clubs enjoy the setting up, social gathering, and competetiveness of the event which is what I'm looking for and its out there. Even though everyone has a right to an opinion as well as the right to agree ,or disagree the comment much loosely herd all over is "It's just a hobby" is disrespectful to me and others all though politically correct and true to an extent.

Just because its a hobby to some doesn't mean that there shouldn't be any regard and respect for the foundation for which the hobby was built on which is "being an ambassador of good will", "serving community and country", and respect for the technical aspect for everyone that can apply amateur radio one way or another to their career's. From a peace keeping aspect this "hobby" also has a unique way of breaking that negative human social barrier any other social event or activity that can carry that prejudice stigmata. No one cares what you look like, sound like, speak like, or anything behind that microphone, cw key, or computer screen any where in the world when it comes to this hobby. Not many hobbies can say that. At field day gatherings realistically might be a little different, but generally not. It's more of an obnoxious, conceded, cliquish attitude you generally have to put up with more so. 

Point is it's not just a hobby and it's an insult to genius's that contributed and the average person that took this hobby and turned into a phenomena that has impacted our high tech world and has changed all our lives one way or another. A hobby is just a hobby when it has only a personal gratification and no bearing on any other subject. Ham radio hits more subjects than pushing the PTT or playing with your knobs.

If you catch my drift!   

73, :)


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: N4EES on July 10, 2012, 11:08:34 PM
I live in Gatlinburg, TN, and I don't know any hams at all, personally.  But, I have an absolute ball with this hobby...I work HF, CW only.  I am a member of the SKCC, and everyone in that group are as nice as they can be.  QRP, chasing DX, and just plain operating CW is so much fun, I almost can't stand it.  But, I don't go to local hamfests, I don't hang out on local repeaters, and I don't associate with the local ham cliques.  Many hams are arrogant, pompous, know it alls, whom I don't care to hang out with, or even know.  But, to me, IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER.  Once I earned my extra ticket, there was so much more DX and so much fun on the HF bands...I don't have time to even bother with fitting in with the local ham cliques. 

I don't mean to imply that hams in my area are anything other than warm and courteous....I just don't know any of them.

N4EES
SKCC#1434
CW nut, and key collecting junkie


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: N2UGB on July 18, 2012, 05:22:15 AM
The days of ham clubs being all things to all people are over. Prior to WW2 and shortly after, the principal modes were CW, AM, and some RTTY. Power levels of 100 watts plus.

Today there are so many digital modes in use that I could fill the page with them. Of course SSB, FM, and my operating favorite, QRP. Routine portable operating, SOTA, MM.

I suggest that clubs be formed based on the operating interests of the different operators. Speciality clubs for dedicated QRPers, digital enthusiasts, SOTA, etc..

Sure, the membership lists will be reduced but the activities won't. And, there will be the fraternal good-will of being being associated with an active. enthusiastic, and friendly group of radio amateurs.

In my opinion.

73 Rich N2UGB/F8WBD


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KA2DDX on July 23, 2012, 03:46:48 AM
No flack from this corner - I can mistype things with the best of them. I can understand your frustration. However, please move forward in this hobby and get your general. I've been on hf over 50 years now and have made friends all over the world. There is no activity I know of which brings more satisfaction to me than amateur radio. I've been in several clubs, mostly in the military and can understand a little of the dynamics of a club. Here in the upstate NY area there are a number of clubs. Approaching retirement I decided to check out a few as well as upgrade my general ticket to extra. One meeting I attended did not yield enough time on the agenda to introduce myself. So, I attended a different club meeting and was immediately invited to join them for field day the following weekend. You never know! Stay with it, get on hf and broaden your horizons with all the possibilities. And, if you hear me, please break in and say hello. Whatever you do, good luck to you.

Larry - KA2DDX


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: N9LCD on July 27, 2012, 06:14:27 PM
My wife says, if she had a dollar for every time I gave up radio, she'd be richer than the Sultan of Brunei.

What I usually do is take a few months off, RELAX. REGROUP, REFOCUS and RETURN.

Have something else to do besides "radio" all the time.  I got running and pumping iron on the side.  Believe me, a good 5-mile run. like 42 minutes, or benching my weight REALLY HELPS!



Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K4FMH on October 15, 2012, 05:58:43 PM
N9LCD,

Sounds like you have a wise spouse! I've been a member of three clubs plus serving as a field staff for the ARRL in the Delta Division. I'm still a member of my first club, even though I am now two states away. While there are internal divisions, it is large enough to allow those who want to join together to enjoy ham radio, instead of only meeting-and-eating, to do so.

I was literally handed the reins of my second club during the middle of a meeting when the President announced he was quitting and would I take the job! There were only 3-4 people in attendance. Repeaters were off the air. I was able to draw some of the older members back after finding out why they had left: poor, childish leadership. We started having a program every month, meeting at a local restaurant with an informal Dutch-treat meal an hour before the formal meeting begins. I paid for the speakers meal---usually from out of town---out of my own pocket. I put up a webpage for the club. I've now now retired and moved from that location although I still attend every few months. With continuity in new leadership, the club has both repeaters humming along, managed by an RF Engineer, and the group joins in with a local university club to hold Field Day and other joint events. It's standing on its own two feet, largely because there is a reason for members to attend: a program from which to learn something new (e.g., Bob Heil via Skype on the audio chain on HF).

My current club has good leadership. Programs are sporadic but members do share things enough to make it interesting. The survey I conducted last year for the Delta Division showed that club membership is really determined by leadership effectiveness. The Delta Division is launching a program of leadership training by state extension service professionals at each states yearly section convention. David Norris, Kay Craigie, and I met in Huntsville AL this year and discussed how this might enhance the amateur radio experience for ARRL members and non-members alike. There are effective strategies for managing volunteer groups. Each state's Agricultural Extension Service has been doing such training for clubs in small rural communities for 75 years or more. Best of all: it is a free service!

Just a few thoughts about the state of clubs in amateur radio. Your mileage may vary.

73,

Frank
K4FMH


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: AC6CV on September 02, 2013, 07:05:52 PM
There are great ham clubs all over the country. I have belonged to ham clubs all over the country. New York, Michigan, Washington, California. BUT!  I moved to Wyoming. Met the most arrogant self centered hams in the entire country. I've been a ham for almost 60 years. These guys are nut cases. I joined the club when asked volunteered my high speed CW code position at field day. Computer operated. Offered to help low speed operators build their code speed. I was told. We don't need your help in our club. Whoa nellie belle. Needless to say I dropped my membership. Met one of the members in Cody last week. Said they may lose their mtn repeater ant location. Told my Xyl. Wonder why it took so long since they are so arrogant. I would have kicked  them out years ago. Really sad and is really bad for our hobby. These bad clubs fortunately are very few around the country. But they are there and really a bad experience for new hams. JMHO. Wonder if I will get heat from this one locally? I'm willing to compromise. Just don't think I am not a ham because I keep my 6 call in WY. We are are all hams no matter the number or the experience. Seems like we should all help each other.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: WB5ITT on September 07, 2013, 04:56:52 PM
Since you're in the St. Louis area, and you expressed an interest in HF and DX'ing, please check out the Mississippi Valley DX & Contest Club: http://www.mvdxcc.org/

We're a thriving club precisely because we welcome newcomers to ham radio.  Set up one of your scanners to receive 147.6 (simplex) transmissions-- that's where many members meet to exchange DX information and arrange informal lunch meetings, etc. 


73,
Chuck  NI0C


147.600 is a rptr input in a LOT of areas...was that a typo?


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: NU3U on September 21, 2013, 11:33:00 PM
Wow, this topic started in February 2011:  Ha! Well it is now September 2013 and I have experienced the same thing down in the Lone Star Country oops, I mean Lone Star State of Texas.  You are absolutely correct on, when asking a specific radio question, and suddenly, no one knows anything.  i.e. the usual, Jack do you know the answer, Jack-well let me see, uhm well no cain't say if I do, how about you Johnny, well I uh, I uh, I uh well ahh heck!  How about you Luke-ster you got a answer?  Luke, nah I cain't help on this, but Bobby, Jack, Johnny and Luke I will be clear on your guys finals; "and so forth and so on" until all are clear.  Now I only volunteer for certain events when I can; participate in VE testing; and only ask questions about this hobby to the "VERY FEW" who are open-minded and willing to share there knowledge with I'll just say, us "OUTSIDERS".  And to those in Texas reading my post and who know me, you also know that I have mention this very topic to you "FEW" on numerous occasions.  "And I dare not start on the "deal" with APRS operations in this area.  Mr. Bob Bruniga knows first hand my feelings on this matter!  Lastly, my use of Jack, Johnny, Luke-ster, and Bobby in no way implies that I am singling out certain individual(s) with same said name(s)!  Otherwise, what is now happening (note OP topic) in Amateur Radio has to be made and needs mentioning of in forums and at club meetings.  Those of us who are unfamiliar with certain aspects of radio operations, yet receive little to no information in response to our questioning and NO elmering whatsoever, will continue to run the risk of being permanently branded/labeled as "LIDS" of the 1st degree!  Well, guess I'll be signing off now, I'm clear on your guys final(s)!!!!        A few action verbs of the day! Counsel, guide, train, tutor, teach, advise, support, instruct, promote, mentor and facilitate-(tor); should not all newcomers to this hobby at least expect this much?


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K6AQ on September 22, 2013, 12:23:24 AM
Wow, this topic started in February 2011:  Ha! Well it is now September 2013 and I have experienced the same thing down in the Lone Star Country oops, I mean Lone Star State of Texas.  You are absolutely correct on, when asking a specific radio question, and suddenly, no one knows anything.  i.e. the usual, Jack do you know the answer, Jack-well let me see, uhm well no cain't say if I do, how about you Johnny, well I uh, I uh, I uh well ahh heck!  How about you Luke-ster you got a answer?  Luke, nah I cain't help on this, but Bobby, Jack, Johnny and Luke I will be clear on your guys finals; "and so forth and so on" until all are clear.  Now I only volunteer for certain events when I can; participate in VE testing; and only ask questions about this hobby to the "VERY FEW" who are open-minded and willing to share there knowledge with I'll just say, us "OUTSIDERS".  And to those in Texas reading my post and who know me, you also know that I have mention this very topic to you "FEW" on numerous occasions.  "And I dare not start on the "deal" with APRS operations in this area.  Mr. Bob Bruniga knows first hand my feelings on this matter!  Lastly, my use of Jack, Johnny, Luke-ster, and Bobby in no way implies that I am singling out certain individual(s) with same said name(s)!  Otherwise, what is now happening (note OP topic) in Amateur Radio has to be made and needs mentioning of in forums and at club meetings.  Those of us who are unfamiliar with certain aspects of radio operations, yet receive little to no information in response to our questioning and NO elmering whatsoever, will continue to run the risk of being permanently branded/labeled as "LIDS" of the 1st degree!  Well, guess I'll be signing off now, I'm clear on your guys final(s)!!!!        A few action verbs of the day! Counsel, guide, train, tutor, teach, advise, support, instruct, promote, mentor and facilitate-(tor); should not all newcomers to this hobby at least expect this much?

I've started using the Internet more for elmering and it's helped. That, and listening for a bit on the air to see how everyone else acts.  :)


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K4FMH on October 04, 2013, 07:52:07 AM
UPDATE: to the following portion of my previous post. My, how things can change! I discovered that my then-current club had intrigue, back-biting, and weak spines on the Board and in a few "insider" members. Mostly around one person trying to oust a Public Service Chairman so he could take over and around the official training of anti-government "preppers" by the club. When I raised questions about both, and the head of the state's prepper movement had been put on a Do Not Fly List by Homeland Security, the scramble was on to squelch this! I eventually resigned from the Board with one of the main instigators replacing me and his alter-ego coming on board when another Board member resigned. Now, that person has tried to quietly form a new club all the while serving on the Board of this one! Geez....not a scene for me!

It's just another example of the dire need for professional leadership training for amateur radio clubs...especially those who get tax-exemptions as 501(c)(3) organizations and registered with the state. But just saying no to that nonsense and departing is often the wisest move for the individual ham.

My current club has good leadership. Programs are sporadic but members do share things enough to make it interesting. The survey I conducted last year for the Delta Division showed that club membership is really determined by leadership effectiveness. The Delta Division is launching a program of leadership training by state extension service professionals at each states yearly section convention. David Norris, Kay Craigie, and I met in Huntsville AL this year and discussed how this might enhance the amateur radio experience for ARRL members and non-members alike. There are effective strategies for managing volunteer groups. Each state's Agricultural Extension Service has been doing such training for clubs in small rural communities for 75 years or more. Best of all: it is a free service!


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K1CJS on October 05, 2013, 07:52:55 AM
UPDATE: to the following portion of my previous post. My, how things can change! I discovered that my then-current club had intrigue, back-biting, and weak spines on the Board and in a few "insider" members....

Unfortunately, that's the way it is in all too many clubs.  There is a central group of members who band together to get things done their way, and they get rid of anybody who wants to change things or open up the club to different ideas.  

One sad part of it is that that group will usually stop at nothing to get rid of anyone whose ideas differ from theirs.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K4FMH on October 05, 2013, 08:56:15 AM
Chris,

Indeed! What I was shocked about was the lack of backbone exhibited by the other Board members and officers. Some of those non-Board members who were duped behind the scenes have discovered the fabrications and apologized for their gullibility. One has become a close personal friend. But I resigned on my own terms. And I'm a member of other clubs.

Thanks for your observation.

73,

Frank
K4FMH

UPDATE: to the following portion of my previous post. My, how things can change! I discovered that my then-current club had intrigue, back-biting, and weak spines on the Board and in a few "insider" members....

Unfortunately, that's the way it is in all too many clubs.  There is a central group of members who band together to get things done their way, and they get rid of anybody who wants to change things or open up the club to different ideas.  

One sad part of it is that that group will usually stop at nothing to get rid of anyone whose ideas differ from theirs.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: W2RWJ on October 05, 2013, 04:09:35 PM
 
It's just another example of the dire need for professional leadership training for amateur radio clubs...especially those who get tax-exemptions as 501(c)(3) organizations and registered with the state. But just saying no to that nonsense and departing is often the wisest move for the individual ham.

Frank,
Going to go out on a limb and state the obvious:  If your ham club is a 501(c)(3),  the board members (including yourself) have  legal responsibilities.  They are often summarized in the "three Ds":

Duty of care: Board members are expected to actively participate in organizational planning and decision-making and to make sound and informed judgments.

Duty of loyalty: When acting on behalf of the organization, board members must put the interests of the nonprofit before any personal or professional concerns and avoid potential conflicts of interest.

Duty of obedience: Board members must ensure that the organization complies with all applicable federal, state, and local laws and regulations, and that it remains committed to its established mission.

If you have concerns, you should bring it to the attention of the board in writing, delivered by certified mail.  If they don't respond to your satisfaction, resign in writing - Explaining why, with a copy to the attorney general of the state where the non-profit is organized. (The letter to the AG is solely to keep you in the clear)

Martin

BTW, I'm on the board of a club in NJ.  Also did a stint on the board of a youth organization (7+ years).   I went out and found 80+ hours of board training so I could do the job the membership elected me to.




Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K4FMH on October 06, 2013, 07:05:31 AM
Martin,

Great response! I basically told the President about these options after receiving my own certified letter requesting my resignation from the Board. Supposedly, my "offense" was to discuss common Board meeting activities with members(!). There's no Bylaw to this effect but only a verbal statement by the VP that everything was "secret". The President acknowledged that the Club could become defunct if I went legal. As I mentioned in my update, Martin, the lack of leadership ability on the spineless Board speaks more to the larger problem among clubs than the "outreagous misfortune" I was experiencing as an expendable member who was asked to serve on the Board because of my previous leadership experience. I chose to just walk away, let my membership lapse, but share my experiences in hopes that it might lead somehow to change.

Thank you!

73,

Frank
K4FMH

It's just another example of the dire need for professional leadership training for amateur radio clubs...especially those who get tax-exemptions as 501(c)(3) organizations and registered with the state. But just saying no to that nonsense and departing is often the wisest move for the individual ham.

Frank,
Going to go out on a limb and state the obvious:  If your ham club is a 501(c)(3),  the board members (including yourself) have  legal responsibilities.  They are often summarized in the "three Ds":

Duty of care: Board members are expected to actively participate in organizational planning and decision-making and to make sound and informed judgments.

Duty of loyalty: When acting on behalf of the organization, board members must put the interests of the nonprofit before any personal or professional concerns and avoid potential conflicts of interest.

Duty of obedience: Board members must ensure that the organization complies with all applicable federal, state, and local laws and regulations, and that it remains committed to its established mission.

If you have concerns, you should bring it to the attention of the board in writing, delivered by certified mail.  If they don't respond to your satisfaction, resign in writing - Explaining why, with a copy to the attorney general of the state where the non-profit is organized. (The letter to the AG is solely to keep you in the clear)

Martin

BTW, I'm on the board of a club in NJ.  Also did a stint on the board of a youth organization (7+ years).   I went out and found 80+ hours of board training so I could do the job the membership elected me to.





Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: W2RWJ on October 09, 2013, 02:50:10 PM
Frank,
Sounds like your former club's board needs help.  They clearly don't understand that unless "executive session" (in camera) is invoked, the meeting is subject to open discussion.

Best advise I can offer is look for another club that you are comfortable with.  

Martin Flynn
W2RWJ







Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: NU3U on October 13, 2013, 07:27:35 PM
I agree with the OP:  I am out of Texas and if wasn't for the fact that I have invested a large amount of money on mainly new equipment and to a degree the very very very few hams who are indeed friendly and helpful, I would have thrown in the towel by now......"there is some funny business going on in this hobby" that is making it indeed a miserable experience.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: W1JKA on October 17, 2013, 09:22:50 AM
   Unfortunately the so called "Hobby" is now geared to instant shack equipment (business and profit) instead of learning the hobby from the ground up. This goes hand in hand with the three classes of memorized answer learners permits issued by the FCC. As far as present day and future "Clubs" are concerned one previous poster stated that they will be in the form of specific niches within the hobby which I believe to be true. About four years ago after 43 years QRT I got re licensed and attended a local area radio club meeting, after being introduced all around the first and only two questions asked of me were 1) do you have 2 meter capability and 2) are you willing to work on the club's repeater tower. Needless to say during the first break I left, never to return. Since then myself and a few other local QRPers get together for weekend outings and assist each other with antenna projects, our own little unofficial niche club where everyone is happy and no positions or titles allowed.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: WZ3O on October 18, 2013, 06:03:03 AM
I see newbies getting frustrated. It happens in all facets of life, not just Hamdom. This doesn't mitigate your concerns, it does however limit your enjoyment of the hobby. My 2¢s, listen and learn, read, investigate, dig into a topic you have questions about on the internet, etc. I've been in your shoes not that long ago, Club was dysfunctional until "management" changes, we do more now in one month than the previous years in total.There are many prior members returning, adding to the diversity, with good humor at functions and outings. Also, when I was a newbie I was close to saying , well you know, but one ham sparked me to study and pass General then Extra opening up a world of contacts. Try different modes, Digital will allow you to work the world even when phone has poor propagation.  Get on HF & spin the dial, jump in when you see the opportunity, say "contact" or find a clear freq and call CQ. So don't worry over the LIDS out there, go forward, dismiss the dimwits out there. Focus on the good stuff. Although I can ramble, I'll close by saying 73 (not 73s which you'll hear often) & Cheers And did I say IGNORE the mental midgets, there R lots of them, but also many people willing to help. Good Hamming....Oh yeah when you're the Old Fart, don't forget the fact you were  a newbie once!!  ;)


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K4FMH on October 18, 2013, 05:20:29 PM
Gary,

Good post! I've been listening since I was 8...but am a late-in-life ham at 61, having been licensed for a few years. Your comments about "management" are spot on! I've been through USDA management school which sort of sheds a lot of light on how some clubs are run. It's a shame but there are resources to change this. State Extension Service personnel offer free leadership workshops for volunteer groups. But, I might add, it takes the will to make a group better to engage in this type of training!

I enjoy working with other hams, especially the new ones, as I had no Elmer available to encourage me toward licensure.

73,

Frank
K4FMH


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: W2RWJ on October 18, 2013, 05:42:12 PM
It's a shame but there are resources to change this. State Extension Service personnel offer free leadership workshops for volunteer groups.

Frank,
Other resources include:
*The Foundation Center - FoundationCenter.org‎  http://www.foundationcenter.org
*Bridgespan - http://www.bridgespan.org/Publications-and-Tools/Career-Professional-Development/Develop-My-Staff/52-Free-Development-Opportunities.aspx
*The Bunelle Foundation - http://www.bunnelle.org/management.php

73 Martin Flynn
W2RWJ


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K4FMH on October 19, 2013, 06:12:17 PM
Thanks Martin! The advantage of the Extension Service is that they provide in-person workshops to volunteer groups like ham clubs. But having additional reading resources is great.

From my experience, I wonder how many ham clubs actually recognize that there is a need for leadership development?

Frank
K4FMH


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: W2RWJ on October 19, 2013, 06:32:05 PM
Frank,
The folks who are best positioned to promote this sort of education are the ones who potentially stand to loose the most. IE,  once a club becomes a non-profit, at some level it begins to compete for resources with the ARRL, AMSAT, and other amateur radio-related charitable orgs.

The example I use frequently:   John Q Hambone is getting on in years.  He decides to leave his local club a sizable bequest instead of the ARRL in his will. 

Martin


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: N2YDC on November 08, 2013, 06:24:20 PM
MRDUDE, Sorry but i'm lmao!! I can relate. Your a ham check out all the different operating modes in amateur radio, Try packet radio, buy an Arrow 2M/70CM yagi connect it to your handheld and make some contacts thru satellites. I enjoy decoding ACARS, Wefax etc. Joined a club here in the NYC area once paid the fee only to listen to a dormant repeater, but once me and my friends keyed up the admin would claim we were not leaving ample space between trans. Mind you no one else was on the repeater. There is always going to be someone out there with the same interest as you!! HF is going to be great for you. My hf qso's were simple RST reports to discussing wether or not hot peppers are as hot as they are to deter animals from eating the plant. You sound like you live in open-sky country, learn about your orbiting satellites and try and work the world so that you can give the old flip to the local AARP radio club.

73 N2YDC


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KA2ZIU on February 05, 2016, 03:31:00 PM
What surprises me about clubs is how members walk in, or sit at tables, and they never stick out their hand and welcome a new person at the meeting. I see it over and over again.

Overall, clubs are a very important part of our hobby, but the club presidents should make the memberships aware that newcomers are the future of our hobby, and the way clubs will continue to grow. So if you are at a meeting, always say hello to any new face, and make that person feel welcomed so he wants to come back.

Without new people, the hobby with fizzle out.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: KK5DR on February 07, 2016, 06:17:24 AM
I have found all the local radio clubs to be very boring. I've attended meetings and saw that they don't do much besides eat a meal together. Then they discuss club business, budget, the repeater, a few other items like that. It's incredibly boring.
My friend in Canada tells me about his clubs meetings and planned activities.
If I lived in that area, I would become a regular attentent.
They have activites, presentations, community outreach, active promotion of the club. Each and every member is a recruiter for the club, actively seeking out new young people to be members. They even hold regular testing sessions that are open to the public to try.
I see none of this in the local clubs. A bunch of old guys eating, and talking about stuff that nobody else cares about. There are no interesting presentations. No hamfest anymore. No active recruitment.
It's sad, and disappointing.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: AC2EU on February 07, 2016, 07:22:32 AM
Welcome...er NOT welcome to VHF. For some reason, which I can't explain, VHF repeater clubs are notoriously clannish. It's funny that you mention the need to be "somebody's" inlaw or something before they will talk to you.  I found the same to be true in my neck of the woods in two different repeater clubs. The repeaters are so quiet most of the time , that I decided not to put VHF equipment in my new car. Most of theses clubs are very tied to ARES/RACES and seem to think that they have to keep the channel clear for some unspecified impending national disaster! God help us all if this is our last line of defense! I can throw my call out all day and not get an answer, but when "certain people" throw a call out...BAM! Someone who knows them responds., so I know they are listening.

As mentioned in this thread VHF is sort of a Ham radio stepchild anyway. The real action is in HF. The club regimes in this spectrum are far from perfect also, but as long as they change leadership from time to time (some don't and you should avoid these clubs) , you have a good shot at a positive experience at some juncture.
There are numerous "specialty clubs" that are very helpful in CW, AM, Military, antique radios,QRP, and DX etc...

If you are are real techno-geek, I suggest you look into the UHF/Microwave spectrum. They are looking for more participation but it's not easy and gets expensive in a hurry



Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: K6CPO on February 11, 2016, 11:09:07 PM
My first experience with a club after getting my license wasn't a positive one but I got past it. I knew I didn't know much and was looking for a club as a way of learning more.  At the first club I went to, I was virtually ignored and the meeting ran on and on and on.  I finally slipped out and went home.

The second club I attend a meeting at welcomed me with open arms and I've been a member ever since, even to the point of having served one term as Vice-President and two terms as President.  I'm on the repeater technical committee, a net control operator and my experience has led to involvement in other aspects of ham radio.  I'm now a VE Team Leader, active in ARES, and hold a section-level appointment with the ARRL.

I now know many of the members of the first club I checked out and would be welcomed as a member, but it's just financially impossible to join all the clubs in the area.


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: W1XWX on February 20, 2016, 04:13:49 PM
Simple solution find another club, or if none suit you don't join any of them. However, if you use a particular repeater a lot my personal belief is to support the trustee club by paying annual dues; even if you never go to a meeting.

73


Title: RE: Dissappointed with the hobby and clubs so far
Post by: WQ2H on February 25, 2016, 06:13:58 AM
I left the hobby 30 years ago (college, wife, kids, you know the story.) and I'm finally getting around to getting back.

Is it perfect? No. Are the people and clubs perfect? No. But I found that it will and does get better.

In the end I'm amazed at the changes in just about everything associated with it - not to mention the explosion of digital modes (fldigi - what an unbelievable tool).

To me, it's all good. I will say that after all this time and technology my favorite time in the shack remains DX'in with my trusty HW101 with a wire on 10m. Never a dull moment.

 :D
73 !