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Title: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: K9KUZ on November 07, 2011, 07:01:36 PM
3 weeks ago, my golf clubs were stolen out of my unlocked car in the driveway. I got them back a week later, pawn shop had them, police found them.  Then last weekend someone cut down my 40 M dipole, suspended on very high trees right over my house. Don't know if it was day or night. The golf club perps were caught, who knows? maybe they came back for more goodies. It happened in Danville IL. 


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: K2OWK on November 07, 2011, 09:02:30 PM
Question, Do any of your neighbors complane of interference to there radios or TVs?
Just curious.

73s

K2OWK


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: N1EQ on November 08, 2011, 02:40:55 AM
... Then last weekend someone cut down my 40 M dipole, suspended on very high trees right over my house...  

Maybe for the copper? There have been a lot of copper thefts in our area. In one neighborhood, all the ground wires were cut off the utility poles.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: AA4PB on November 08, 2011, 07:47:46 AM
We had someone steal all of the copper lightning rods from the church roof a couple of years ago. I guess copper brings big bucks.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: K9KUZ on November 08, 2011, 07:07:29 PM
Zero complaints from neighbors.  I've been here 12 years.  Thanks for the idea.

Question, Do any of your neighbors complane of interference to there radios or TVs?
Just curious.

73s

K2OWK


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: K2OWK on November 08, 2011, 10:18:02 PM
If you cause no RFI. I can not imagine anyone taking your antenna for the copper. My dipoles (I have three) have less then 50 cents worth of copper in them. It seams like it would be an lot of work for 50 cents if they could get that much. Could have been a prank by someone you know. If not I have no reasonable explanation.

73s

K2OWK



Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: K1CJS on November 09, 2011, 03:10:45 AM
Could well be a neighbor that objects to having wires hanging from trees near their home.  Not necessarily because of RFI, but just because they think the wire looks terrible.  You know--the same type of people who insist on being on the HOA committee because they want to force their neighbors to do what they want--even though the property the so called bad looking item is on or above is not theirs.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: AG6WT on November 09, 2011, 06:38:49 AM
If someone stole it for the copper, I would suppose they didn't know copper wire for antennas, copperweld, is mostly steel.

And was one or more of the trees in the front, near the street? Or near a utility pole?

If it was near a street, you local municipality might have done it. In my neighborhood the city periodically sends a bunch of workers around with a cherry picker, trimming trees. Or if it was near a utility, one of their workers might have done it.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: N3OX on November 09, 2011, 07:31:39 AM
SRI OM NEEDED DIPOLE TNX 73


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: W8JI on November 11, 2011, 05:22:16 PM
3 weeks ago, my golf clubs were stolen out of my unlocked car in the driveway. I got them back a week later, pawn shop had them, police found them.  Then last weekend someone cut down my 40 M dipole, suspended on very high trees right over my house. Don't know if it was day or night. The golf club perps were caught, who knows? maybe they came back for more goodies. It happened in Danville IL. 

Crack heads and meth heads will steal anything. I installed cameras all around here because some meth head came right up in my yard and told me my uncle told him he could have all the scrap aluminum in my antenna tubing rack.

They actually pull up loose railroad spikes around here.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: SWMAN on November 12, 2011, 05:05:14 AM
 Just wanted to mention a little more about stealing copper wire. Here in Dallas Tx, some theives stole about 5 miles of the wire used to connect the highway lighting in the median of a major US highway. The tall light poles were about 100 yards apart. They pulled out the underground feed line between all the light poles for about 5 miles. No one say anything. It took about a year before they replaced the wire. Just wanted to mention this to you.
73 Jim. W5JJG


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: KA5N on November 12, 2011, 10:15:49 AM
People will steal things they neither want nor need and can't sell.

Why? 

Because they can.

Allen


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: M0HCN on November 12, 2011, 02:34:20 PM
The classic copper theft around here was the guy found dead by the railway line with a pair of bolt cutters and the cut end of the track return cable nearby (Overhead live wire with the track used as the return, they parallel it with a heavy copper cable to reduce losses and deal with points and the like).... He had an OUT OF DATE rail timetable in his pocket, that cable can be safely cut only if there is no train in the vicinity!

The other doozy was the guys who broke into a substation and stole the neutral links, exploding tellys up and down the street.

It is becoming a real problem, those of you running valve linear amps, I suggest removing the safety choke and the plate DC block capacitor, 3KV DC on the aerial wire should discourage the scum as well as reducing the overall incidence of drug related crime.

Regards, Dan.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: NO2A on November 12, 2011, 08:59:56 PM
I can`t believe someone would go through that much trouble to steal a dipole. How did they even know it was there?


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: KC2VDM on November 13, 2011, 10:57:33 AM
You should be lucky they didn't steal your car!
...stolen out of my unlocked car in the driveway...   

-Alex
KC2VDM


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: K8GU on November 15, 2011, 06:18:31 AM
Methamphetamine.  Seriously.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: K9SRV on November 16, 2011, 06:49:16 AM
Too stupid to build their own.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: W5DQ on November 17, 2011, 11:24:22 AM
People will steal things they neither want nor need and can't sell.

Why? 

Because they can.

Allen

Your absolutely correct!

I had a 2M mag mount antenna stolen off my car years ago in Dallas, TX in the middle of a ICE STORM of all things. I know it was the middle of the storm because the ice in the hole where the antenna mount was at was appx 1/2 the thickness of the ice on the rest of the roof. Also the coax to the antenna was cut about 4 inches from the mag mount because the rest of the coax was under the 3 to 4 inches of ice, resting against the roof of the car? Go figure ???

Out here in California, I left the truck unlocked one night and some yahoo come along and cut the handheld microphone off of the mic cord (cut right at the mic) with the cord left dangling attached to the 2M radio and radio still in place, unharmed. Not sure what they planned to do just with the microphone itself and no cord or radio to use it with? Pure mischief!

My cousin came out a store in Oklahoma and found some schmuck lying in the floorboard of his car working on removing his in-dash radio. He pulled out his pistol he carried concealed and stuck in the guys crotch and told him 'Go ahead. Move a little. It might go off and blow IT off.' Cops were called and guy was hauled off to jail. He actually had the nerve to file a suit against my cousin for assualt with a deadly weapon, which summarily got tossed out.

Some folks just don't use the grey matter God has given them for anything other than to grow hair out of!!!

Gene W5DQ


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: KA5N on November 20, 2011, 02:58:03 PM
Hair grows down until it hits the grey matter and then turns grey.

If it grows down and doesn't hit anything it falls out.

Allen          (apoligies to all chrome domes, I didn't mean you)


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: KE4YOG on November 20, 2011, 03:49:51 PM
I have worked in corrections for 15 years. Some of that time I worked in prisons and other times probation. Believe me people will steal anything that could possible make them money. Noticed I said might make them money. We had one not really bright person around here try to steal some copper wiring from an AC unit. He was found the next day cooked. I know one inmate that got 12 years for stealing a macaw. The bird was valued over 1,000 dollars therefore a felony. He had 2 previous felonies. This made him a habitual felon and allowed the long sentence. Drugs are an amazing thing. Stealing is actually one of the less repulsive things I have heard of dealing with druggies.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: AD6KA on November 20, 2011, 08:44:45 PM
Quote
Drugs are an amazing thing. Stealing is actually one of the
less repulsive things I have heard of dealing with druggies.

Years ago a friend of mine rented a room in a big
house full of students.  Turned out one guy and his
girlfriend were tweakers.

Anyway, my friend did drywall work and occasionally
tracked little white chunks of sawing residue into
the house on his shoes. One day he came home and
the tweakers were sitting on the couch SMOKING those
little chunks of drywall
in a crack pipe. They were so high
they thought it was dope they had dropped into the carpet.   ;D


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: WB4TJH on December 19, 2011, 04:33:32 AM
I would be looking for a disgruntled neighbor who thinks your radio is screwing up his toaster and his wife's sewing machine.....


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: AA4HA on December 25, 2011, 07:32:58 AM
electric fences makes for good neighbors.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: N9KX on January 01, 2012, 10:57:22 AM
You should be lucky they didn't steal your car!
...stolen out of my unlocked car in the driveway...   

-Alex
KC2VDM

pretty soon someone will start selling dipole alarms  ;)


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: W4HLN on January 29, 2012, 06:32:04 PM
electric fences makes for good neighbors.


Tisha has a point!   You can get an electric fence charger for around 25$ new...Its good for a 2 miles of dipole!...Ground the ground and run the hot to all your outside antenna's when your not using them...And to your golf clubs if your not going to start locking your car!

Ernie / W4HLN


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: N3OX on January 29, 2012, 07:27:15 PM
Ground the ground and run the hot to all your outside antenna's when your not using them...And to your golf clubs if your not going to start locking your car!

Not gonna work so well on all the DC grounded antennas I've got :D


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: W7ETA on February 03, 2012, 07:30:13 PM
Look at how much companies are charging for their dipoles.

Watch the eHam adds to see if someone is selling a used 40 meter dipole.  HI hi.

Or on eBay with the description "Worked last time it was used."

73
Bob


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: K9MHZ on February 12, 2012, 07:31:17 AM
Methamphetamine.  Seriously.

Yep. Downtown, we had a large food bank for the poor lose all of its refrigeration because the copper lines were all cut and stolen.  Thousands of pounds of perishables ruined.  Animals.




Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: KG6YV on February 22, 2012, 04:07:40 PM
Some local degenerates have been periodically stealing the signal wiring on the Union Pacific here in the bay area...

Greg


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: KE4YOG on February 22, 2012, 04:21:11 PM
I needed one. Will bring it back. Will not tune with my CB and 10,000 watt liner!


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: KB1BZR on May 07, 2012, 08:33:59 PM
 ;D ;D ;D   Reading these threads I would guess a neighbor.

I am not sure where the disease has caught on but they will ruin you any way they can. Disease ? People worried about their property values. It is legit concern but these people hate anything on any property unless it is hidden totally.

I had this neighbor who would even mow his lawn constant in the snow. Not one object ever on the property. Wires in trees or ??

They complain to the towns/cities and people have to follow up and YES..unsightly wires..ropes...or ?? are guilty. You can argue about your amateur radio rights and pay for attorneys and all that stuff. This town of 60,000 (have not looked up of recent) has a ton of amateur's but you will not see one visible amateur antenna in the town.

I have ranted prior and people think I am nuts. The disease will spread and past/present amateur radio antenna rights ? sure... If you are rich and keep up mint looking property with nothing on it visible (I mean even a lawn chair or garden hose) maybe you will be lucky. BUT terrible looking antennas ? Yes. Antennas for amateur radio with its various frequencies have an ideal model and appearance. Nothing unsightly.

AGAIN..my guess...your neighbor...





Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: WB4SPT on May 08, 2012, 04:19:48 AM
;D ;D ;D   Reading these threads I would guess a neighbor.

I am not sure where the disease has caught on but they will ruin you any way they can. Disease ? People worried about their property values. It is legit concern but these people hate anything on any property unless it is hidden totally.



And, this is in Connecticut?  I'm relocating to upstate NY, and looking for ways to weed this mentality out before I close on a house.  I'm thinking 5 acres in the woods will do it.  And a big dog.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: K9KUZ on May 08, 2012, 08:01:12 PM
Thanks for all the input.  After analyzing all of your comments, I have concluded that the thief was either 1) high on drugs and needing more, or 2) looking for some solid copper.  Now understand that I live on 5 acres of densely wooded terrain, but within the city limits.  My neighbors cannot see the dipole even when there are no leaves on the trees.  There's been a few thefts in the neighborhood the last few months, including one home break-in.  I do live next to a huge public park/golf course. My neighbor, an LEO, says that living next to a large park is the problem.  Nuff said. 


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: VE9AAE on May 13, 2012, 08:37:34 PM
You've just given me an excellent idea!

A variation of the Slinky Dipole, perhaps a copperclad Concertina Dipole.  Nothing says "don't touch" like razor wire and on the plus side it might just have a wide bandwidth (I'm thinking something like a cage dipole).

Let me know if anyone tries it out.  ;D


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: NC6K on May 14, 2012, 09:27:22 PM
Q. Why don't crooks steal verticals?
A. There's no gain in them.

Sorry, couldn't resist (no pun intended).

NC6K


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: AD6KA on May 19, 2012, 09:31:04 AM
Why steal a dipole?

Because somepeople will steal ANYTHING!

My anatomy prof's wife worked in a Women's Health
Clinic. One of the displays in the lobby was about how
diaphragms are used for birth control.

Someone started stealing the "Display" diaphragms,
so the staff punched holes in the "display diaphragms"
to make them useless.

The REALLY funny part is that one young lady came in
for Birth Control, and was prescribed a diaphragm and
given instructions in how to use it, etc.
Sure enough......six months later she somes back pregnant.
What happened?
She saw that the diaphragms on display had holes punched
in them, but hers didn't....so she punched holes in her diaphragm!

Talk about not understanding the theory.....


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: KD0REQ on May 23, 2012, 01:34:16 PM
uh, because they couldn't get the tower hidden under their hoodie?


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: SWMAN on May 25, 2012, 08:01:36 PM
 You need to buy a big gun and let the punks in the area see it when you are oitside.I just picked a S/W 44 Mag. When I get out of the car I always have it with me. The theive punks down the street and the ones walking down the middle of the street see it. I have never had a problem here but several others in the area have.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: W4HLN on June 06, 2012, 06:47:26 PM
Just found out bare copper here in Kentucky runs around 3$ a pound and 2 railroad spikes will get you about $1.20...Aluminum siding / gutters or radiators will bring about 2 bucks a pound.

A Catalytic Converter from ANY car will get you from 50$ to 90$ each! Converter thieves here are frequent and EVERYWHERE!


I gotta clean out my garage LOL!

Ernie / W4HLN


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: N4KZ on June 29, 2012, 06:14:04 PM
I sure don't mean to add insult to injury, but police chiefs around Kentucky have been emphasizing lately that if people would just lock their vehicles, about 80 to 90 percent of thefts from vehicles could be eliminated.

Sorry you lost the clubs but you were lucky to get them back.

73,
N4KZ


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: KH6AQ on June 30, 2012, 08:57:36 AM
Q. Why don't crooks steal verticals?
A. There's no gain in them.

Sorry, couldn't resist (no pun intended).

NC6K

!!!!!


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: N0SOY on September 18, 2012, 09:18:16 PM
Lots of out of work people out there doing things the normally would not.  A lot of idiots out there to that will steal anything.  A few weeks ago a guy was turned into a crispy critter by trying to steal a copper electrical service line off a transformer.  He thought it was off.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: AC4BB on September 19, 2012, 10:45:17 PM
Our cable TV was out for 24 hours after thieves cut and stole the fiber optic cable from the headend.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: K9MRD on January 05, 2013, 11:22:18 AM
electric fences makes for good neighbors.

Pole pigs work even better.......


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: KD6NIG on July 17, 2015, 02:37:36 PM
If its not tied down people will take it.  Recently the local kids in my neighborhood had been working on the stop sign right next to my house and it finally fell over, though still attached at the ground.

Last Sunday evening my dogs start going nuts, by the time I get up I see a jeep driving away with the pole of the stop sign sticking out of the passenger window.

I went to work a few hours later and he traded the stop sign for 2 40 ounce Coors Cans, he left them on the sidewalk next to it.  I guess he worked on it for a while before just bending it and dropping it, the noise that my dogs heard, but I guess it did the trick because it snapped off at the base.

I called the cops but since I couldn't get a plate because it was too dark, they could care less.  Its on some list to be replaced, probably next year sometime.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: NA4IT on July 19, 2015, 04:14:21 AM
I say if they want copper, give it to them... copper jacketed lead...


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: N9LCD on July 19, 2015, 04:59:32 PM
Heck, I'll go you one better.  Did you ever hear of STEALING RAILROAD TIES?

During the mid 70's, used railroad ties were the rage for landscaping, fences and general decor.  Some misguided soul, undoubtedly from out the area, stole about 200 hundred ties from under the rails of an IC branch line near Pontiac.

During the fall harvest season, an IC engine and empty hopper cars bound for grain elevators derailed when it hit the stretch of tracks without any ties!

The FBI investigated and couldn't even determine when the ties were stolen, much less who did it!!!

 ???

N9LCD 


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: WI8P on July 20, 2015, 05:09:09 AM
Heck, I'll go you one better.  Did you ever hear of STEALING RAILROAD TIES?

During the mid 70's, used railroad ties were the rage for landscaping, fences and general decor.  Some misguided soul, undoubtedly from out the area, stole about 200 hundred ties from under the rails of an IC branch line near Pontiac.

During the fall harvest season, an IC engine and empty hopper cars bound for grain elevators derailed when it hit the stretch of tracks without any ties!

The FBI investigated and couldn't even determine when the ties were stolen, much less who did it!!!

 ???

N9LCD 

Just to be clear, that was Pontiac IL, not Pontiac MI.  Thieves around here (Pontiac MI) are generally too lazy to pick up anything as heavy as a railroad tie!   ;D


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: K7MEM on July 20, 2015, 05:41:33 AM
I live in Northern Arizona and we get all of our internet connections from the Phoenix area, 150 miles south. To get that signal here, they use a buried cable that runs through some vast sections of empty desert. Because these areas are uninhabited, they don't go to any great lengths to hide the fact that there is something buried there. Much of the cable is buried under or through dry washes. In the washes, the cable isn't buried as deep as the other areas.

Well, about a year ago, some "tech savvy" individuals decided that they were going to dig it up and steal the copper. Why not, there is no one around to see what they were doing. They dug it up but their plan hit a snag, when they cut the cable. As it turned out, it was all fiber optic cable. No copper to be had. We had no internet connection for 3 or 4 days while the network people repaired the cable.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: K1ZJH on July 20, 2015, 09:08:42 AM
Heck, I'll go you one better.  Did you ever hear of STEALING RAILROAD TIES?

During the mid 70's, used railroad ties were the rage for landscaping, fences and general decor.  Some misguided soul, undoubtedly from out the area, stole about 200 hundred ties from under the rails of an IC branch line near Pontiac.

During the fall harvest season, an IC engine and empty hopper cars bound for grain elevators derailed when it hit the stretch of tracks without any ties!

The FBI investigated and couldn't even determine when the ties were stolen, much less who did it!!!

 ???

N9LCD 

That is odd... but given it happened in the 1970's it may have some fact.  The railroads were a mess and many lines were bankrupt.   Today, railroads have track inspectors doing daily inspections on major rail lines. 

Old used ties are also in high demand, but the railroads are reluctant to sell them to the general public due to EPA concerns and liability issues.

Pete


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: W3WN on July 29, 2015, 07:38:59 AM
< snip >
Old used ties are also in high demand, but the railroads are reluctant to sell them to the general public due to EPA concerns and liability issues.

Pete
Not to drift too far off topic...

At least one of the local lumber & building supply chains will, on occasion, sell used RR ties.  To be honest, for the cost & considering the condition, you're better off buying new 4x6 6x6 pressure treated beams... but they do sell.

No, I don't know how they EPA/environmental concerns or liability issues, if any, are handled.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: KD0REQ on July 29, 2015, 10:28:45 AM
most of those old used rail ties that show up come from the south.  there is a virulent termite down there that manages to munch on the ties and get transported all the heck over the place.

good new ground-contact rated timbers at the lumber yard, now, that's the ticket.  you just can't paint or stain them until they sun-dry at least two months.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: KC4ZGP on April 19, 2017, 11:37:59 AM

Never understood the metal thief. So they take it to someone. Doesn't that someone see something wrong. It's not like
the wire with insulation was just laying there and the thief decided to help clean up his community by taking this refuge
to a recycle joint-eth.

I've heard folks steal grave markers.

Sure we'll give you 31 cents per pound. Let's see ten grave markers weighing in at 40 pounds each why that comes
to...here's your money have a nice day.



Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: N4UE on April 19, 2017, 02:19:26 PM
Hi. Down here in Florida, you can't even buy railroad 'metal rail' at the scrap yard. The scrap yards don't want to get their butt in a sling. So, no market.
OTOH, I suffer from occasional RFI. My investigator from the power company told me every pole in the area had the bare, copper ground wire cut off at the 7' level!
However, the scrap yards (I've been told) won't take small quantities of wire, for the same reason.

ron
N4UE


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: KC4ZGP on April 20, 2017, 11:50:01 AM

Say Ron,

They stop at the seven foot height so copper thieves can't reach up and take any. Good strategy elektrisikal (Lisa Douglas) folks.

Those are the same folks that send me electricity down one wire and back up the other and then they resell it to someone else.
I'm onto 'em.

73

Kraus

 


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: WI8P on April 20, 2017, 01:51:30 PM

Never understood the metal thief. So they take it to someone. Doesn't that someone see something wrong. It's not like
the wire with insulation was just laying there and the thief decided to help clean up his community by taking this refuge
to a recycle joint-eth.

I've heard folks steal grave markers.

Sure we'll give you 31 cents per pound. Let's see ten grave markers weighing in at 40 pounds each why that comes
to...here's your money have a nice day.



They were stealing manhole covers in Detroit years ago and selling them for scrap.  Cops really put the heat on metal recycling places to turn in any one who brought one in and they stopped stealing them.


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: K9MHZ on April 20, 2017, 02:06:33 PM
We had someone steal all of the copper lightning rods from the church roof a couple of years ago. I guess copper brings big bucks.

Some vermin downtown scaled a high barbed wire fence, then proceeded to cut out all of the copper from the refrigeration units from the local food pantry for local poor people.  Everything thawed and turned bad. Those same cockroaches might have known someone who relied on that food bank to survive.   


Title: RE: Why steal a dipole ?
Post by: KC4ZGP on April 21, 2017, 11:04:53 AM

Never understood the metal thief. So they take it to someone. Doesn't that someone see something wrong. It's not like
the wire with insulation was just laying there and the thief decided to help clean up his community by taking this refuge
to a recycle joint-eth.

I've heard folks steal grave markers.

Sure we'll give you 31 cents per pound. Let's see ten grave markers weighing in at 40 pounds each why that comes
to...here's your money have a nice day.



They were stealing manhole covers in Detroit years ago and selling them for scrap.  Cops really put the heat on metal recycling places to turn in any one who brought one in and they stopped stealing them.

Yup. You see my point.