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Title: Need help on LoTW
Post by: KD0LAV on November 12, 2011, 05:35:33 AM
Finally got the key from ARRL and it automatically uploaded as it was supposed to.  From there things came to a dead end again.  Am using the N3FJP logging software but can't get it to load to LoTW.  I have followed the prompts from the logging software as well as ARRL's info.  Is anyone available today to talk me thru this final step?  Have called ARRL and they are too busy to answer any questions.

KD0LAV


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: N4NYY on November 12, 2011, 07:08:56 AM
I am not familiar with that program. I simply export it to ADIF file from my logger program. Then I use the LoTW software to take that file and convert to TQ8. The I upload the TQ8 to LoTW.

For whatever reason, I cannot get mu HRD 5.0 to get the automatic upload to LoTW to work. So I do it manually as stated above. That still only takes 1 minute.


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: KD0LAV on November 12, 2011, 03:10:28 PM
I have over 300 qso's to log.  The notice I get when I try to send is Unable to sign records.  Be sure you have installed version 1.10 or later of the Trusted QSL or have the path set correctly.

Also make sure location matches the location in Tqsl software. 

I have done that and it does match.  Anyone have any other ideas


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: N0NB on November 12, 2011, 07:53:47 PM
Be sure that your TQSL installation is at version 1.13 as anything older will not work.


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: KG4RUL on November 13, 2011, 04:57:11 AM
After all this time, LOTW is still a totally arcane mess.  IF the ARRL could slap their programmers up the side of the head and get their attention, perhaps they could come up with something more user-friendly.

This is NOT national security we are dealing with here.


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: KF7CG on November 13, 2011, 05:05:00 AM
Sorry folks! It is not an arcane mess:

Export ADIF file (should every once in a while for log backup).

Use TSQL to create file to upload.

Upload file.

Not automatic, but not arcane nor more complicated than chasing DX either.


By the way right now, LOTW is buried under too much success; they are overloaded with contest logs.


KF7CG

KF7CG


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: N4NYY on November 13, 2011, 05:18:27 AM
Arcane? I have had little or know trouble with it. It is pretty easy.


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: KD0LAV on November 13, 2011, 05:46:36 AM
N4NNY  is there a way I can contact you today so you can talk me thru it.  I obviously am at a dead point.  I have checked and I do have 1.13.  There is apparently a step I can't figure out and I have gone thru the steps a bunch.  My email is d.peck70@yahoo.com for contact info.

Thanks


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: K2QB on November 14, 2011, 07:29:35 AM
I have to agree with most that LoTW works just fine. I upload my logs once or twice a week and have no issues. Using Logger32 with the QSL Utility all I do is click Upload to LoTW and withing seconds I have confirmation back that my file has been uploaded. Same thing with eQSL. As far as downloading and synching up my received QSL's, same thing. One click and again withing seconds all QSL's that have been waiting for me at LoTW or eQSL are updated in my logging program. I used to do it manually, export to ADIF, sign in with TQSL and upload but now that it is automated within my logging program it is a breeze.


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: KD0LAV on November 14, 2011, 05:12:14 PM
Boy what I wouldn't do to have mine work like that.  I have repeatedly contacted Scott (N3FJP) and basically I get repeatedly told to follow the instructions or go to another instruction sheet or go to another website for more instructions.  I only have 300 contacts so getting a new program is not out of the question if it makes things easier.  Anyways...I am where I was 3 days ago.  I am about to give it up and forget LoTW although I think it sounds like a great idea.


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: WT6H on November 14, 2011, 06:14:37 PM
I use N3FJP contact log 3.0 and have had zero problems with Lotw once I first got it working. One of my initial problems was that I was using the wrong password in the wrong place.



Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: N4NYY on November 14, 2011, 07:16:59 PM
OK. I am going to have to put together a PDF of the manual upload. Give me some time.


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: KD0LAV on November 14, 2011, 08:19:53 PM
Mike, I would sure like to hear how you got yours going as I have the same program for logging.  Vinnie...When you get a chance would like to see yours.  That way if it doesnt work I can try it your way.   Thanks again for the help guys.  I really really appreciate it.

Duane
KD0LAV


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: N4NYY on November 14, 2011, 08:33:13 PM
Here is a file that I put together. It took me over an hour. This is step by step to manual upload:

http://www.mediafire.com/?njfqx0quoh2u8v0 (http://www.mediafire.com/?njfqx0quoh2u8v0)


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: KD0LAV on November 15, 2011, 04:02:31 AM
Wow Vinnie that is awesome.  Will try it when I get home tonight.  Thank you so very much.


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: KG4RUL on November 15, 2011, 11:21:27 AM
Here is a file that I put together. It took me over an hour. This is step by step to manual upload:

http://www.mediafire.com/?njfqx0quoh2u8v0 (http://www.mediafire.com/?njfqx0quoh2u8v0)

Vinnie,

Great job but, isn't it sad that this level of detailed instruction is necessary to make a cobbled together collection of programs work at all?  ???


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: N4NYY on November 15, 2011, 12:49:25 PM
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Great job but, isn't it sad that this level of detailed instruction is necessary to make a cobbled together collection of programs work at all? 

That is the manual upload. The automatic upload does not require this.


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: KA5N on November 15, 2011, 01:08:03 PM
I am assuming that by "manual" uplload you are not using a  logging program.
If so then uploading small files is not difficult.  The problem comes because some of the
things you have to do just don't seem logical.  The easiest to mess up on is signing the
tq8 file.  The program keeps asking you if you want to replace the file and you have to say yes and then it will ask you if this is the file you want to sign THEN you say yes and enter your password.  If you don't sign, you can't upload.   
It took me awhile to figure this out.  Of course I spent ten years fixing other people's
programs so that we could use them and I never considered myself any kind of code
writer.  But if there is a hard way to do something, then someone will hit on it.
Pray for LOTW speedup.
Allen


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: N4NYY on November 15, 2011, 01:32:31 PM
KA5N,

The manual upload is using a logging program, except you are not using the loggers automatic upload to LoTW. I have to do it this way, because for some reason, I cannot upload thru the HRD logbook, as it won't accept my password. Looks like a bug. However, the download to the logger works perfectly. So, I do my uploads manually. If you have other loggers, you may not have to do this.

I tried to make it (and I hate using the term) idiot-proof. I try and to that for any presentation that I write up, even if it is not ham radio related.


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: W5DQ on November 15, 2011, 02:47:45 PM
Boy what I wouldn't do to have mine work like that.  I have repeatedly contacted Scott (N3FJP) and basically I get repeatedly told to follow the instructions or go to another instruction sheet or go to another website for more instructions.  I only have 300 contacts so getting a new program is not out of the question if it makes things easier.  Anyways...I am where I was 3 days ago.  I am about to give it up and forget LoTW although I think it sounds like a great idea.

A long while back I used N3FJP's ACLOG s/w. It was ok at logging but when I tried to go past simple logging to do any type of DXCC analysis it fell short. When I contacted the author about how to do any tracking, etc on my DXCC award, I too got the short answer of 'export the data and use Excel to analyze all you want to'. Sorry wrong answer!!! Went looking for something better and found it in DX LAB SUITE written by AA6YQ.

I switched over to DX Lab Suite and could not be any happier. It does anything you can imagine for DXCC analysis, logging, tracking, etc PLUS automatic (2 keystrokes and password entry) LOTW uploads, eQSL uploads and others. Price is good too - FREE! But don't let that scare you off. DX Lab Suite is a collection of ham radio applications designed to work together or stand alone and is one of the most robust suites of software I have ever seen. Dave AA6YQ does a first rate job at improving and maintaining the software. I highly recommend that you take a look at his website.

Gene W5DQ


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: AE4RV on November 15, 2011, 03:05:58 PM
Another vote for DX Lab suite - the logging program, DX Keeper, makes LotW so easy to use and the support is the best I've encountered for any software, commercial software included.

http://www.dxlabsuite.com/


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: AA6YQ on November 15, 2011, 03:14:03 PM

I switched over to DX Lab Suite and could not be any happier. It does anything you can imagine for DXCC analysis, logging, tracking, etc PLUS automatic (2 keystrokes and password entry) LOTW uploads, eQSL uploads and others.

Gene, you can eliminate the need to specify a password each time you upload to LotW. Step-by-step instructions can be found here (http://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/LotWRemovePassword)

    73,

         Dave, AA6YQ


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: N4NYY on November 15, 2011, 04:02:14 PM
I am going to have to take a look at DXlab. I have been using HRD and it has been great for 2 years. However, Simon sold it and it is in limbo. I never knew about Dave software until a couple weeks ago (I know. I live in a cave). When I went to the site, it was impressive.

The thing that bugs me is change. I kind of know HRD like the back of my hand. So I would have to start all over. What I need is people who have used HRD and converted to DXlab.

And Dave, I cannot take your opinion because you designed the damn thing! LOL


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: KD0LAV on November 15, 2011, 05:30:45 PM
I would be interested also.  I deal in customer service and the "follow the instructions" are not customer service.  It's the easy way out.  I am sure Scott is a great person and he did answer ALL my emails even tho it was no answer for what I needed.  That in itself is enough reason for me to find something else.  Loading to LoTW will be a mandatory thing.  Then I have to transfer everything from the old log to the new log.  Oh well, winter is approaching soon.


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: N4NYY on November 15, 2011, 06:01:27 PM
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Then I have to transfer everything from the old log to the new log

If both are in ADI format, then this is a breeze. I do it all the time. Did you get to upload?


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: AA6YQ on November 15, 2011, 09:53:09 PM
I am going to have to take a look at DXlab. I have been using HRD and it has been great for 2 years. However, Simon sold it and it is in limbo. I never knew about Dave software until a couple weeks ago (I know. I live in a cave). When I went to the site, it was impressive.

The thing that bugs me is change. I kind of know HRD like the back of my hand. So I would have to start all over. What I need is people who have used HRD and converted to DXlab.

And Dave, I cannot take your opinion because you designed the damn thing! LOL

There are plenty of converts on the DXLab Yahoo Group who will happily answer your questions; I've just sent you an invitation to join. You might also read the two most recent eHam reviews here (http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/3139).

    73,

         Dave, AA6YQ


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: W5DQ on November 16, 2011, 08:48:30 AM

I switched over to DX Lab Suite and could not be any happier. It does anything you can imagine for DXCC analysis, logging, tracking, etc PLUS automatic (2 keystrokes and password entry) LOTW uploads, eQSL uploads and others.

Gene, you can eliminate the need to specify a password each time you upload to LotW. Step-by-step instructions can be found here (http://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/LotWRemovePassword)

    73,

         Dave, AA6YQ

Dave,

Thanks for the insight on LOTW pwds. I'll check that out more when I get a chance. Not that typing in a 6 letter password is a big deal. I have to enter a 14 digit one at work all the time and that get a bit annoying.

Again thanks for the continued support of DXLAB Suite.

Gene W5DQ


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: WN2C on November 16, 2011, 05:53:08 PM
To N4nyy Vinny, Thank You! Thank You! Thank You!  That Pdf helps alot as I dont upload often or  for that matter get on the air that often to make contacts. It will sure help me cuzz I have partziymmers.... I can only remember half the stuff half the time.  ???

Now if I could just figure out how to upload to LOTW from hrd....?????


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: N4NYY on November 16, 2011, 06:44:14 PM
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Now if I could just figure out how to upload to LOTW from hrd....Huh??

I have HRD. I use the export function. HRD had an auto upload, but the damn thing refuses to acceot my password, for some reason.


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: N0NB on November 16, 2011, 08:13:49 PM
Keep in mind that processing time for an LoTW upload is on the order of a couple of days (45 hours as of Tuesday).  Once you've uploaded the log wait a sufficient amount of time for it to be processed.  Multiple uploads only make the queue larger.


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: W5DQ on November 17, 2011, 08:00:56 AM
Keep in mind that processing time for an LoTW upload is on the order of a couple of days (45 hours as of Tuesday).  Once you've uploaded the log wait a sufficient amount of time for it to be processed.  Multiple uploads only make the queue larger.


FYI for LOTW processing - uploaded 292 Q's from DX Lab Suite on Monday evening around 0200Z and found them processed with QSLs ready for download from LOTW to DX Lab Suite last evening around 0200Z (48 hours later). They were not ready on Tuesday around 0200 so sometime in that 24 hour period they were processed. From that I draw a 24 to 48 hour window when they were processed (similar to your stated 45 hours).

Gene W5DQ


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: WB7TXG on November 17, 2011, 10:58:03 AM
If you are running latest version of HRDthen while your logbook window is open hold the ctrl key down and use mouse to highlight the contact ts you want to upload... then select lotwuplold.. its all automatic


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: KF7CG on November 17, 2011, 11:02:21 AM
Yes, the processing time on LOTW is variable! A lot of the time I have 50-100 QSO files process in minutes, but after the CQ WW SSB contest there were so many logs in the system it took my tiny 300 QSO file some 7 days to process.

Their processing is adequately sized for the general case, but is now suffering badly when buried under the lareger number of large contest submissions. Of course just more data in the database slows proecessing. If you double the amount of data in the database it can take about 3 times as long to process.

KF7CG


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: N0NB on November 17, 2011, 12:43:20 PM
Now that there are just over 377 million QSO records in the DB, LoTW has a lot of work to do!


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: WA3KVN on November 18, 2011, 09:57:38 AM
Didn't read all the replies, just about 2/3's of them.  On the LoTW site, there is a note that gives a URL you must use with the N3FJP software.  I use it every month now with absolutely no problems.  Here's the note:
Mar 25, 2010: Synching or Downloading Log data -- Some LoTW users who use N3FJP AC Log to upload their logs to Logbook of The World have been experiencing difficulty.  The solution is to configure the logging software to connect to the LoTW server.

Open N3FJP AC Log program.

   1. Select the "LoTW" tab at the top of the log form.
   2. Select the tab "LoTW Server Settings" in the upper right of the LoTW form.
   3. In the box marked "LoTW Download URL:" replace the current URL with this new URL

https://p1k.arrl.org/lotwuser/lotwreport.adi?login=

Click DONE.

   1. Make sure that all other settings such as own call, username and password, and station location are correct.
   2. Now you should be able to upload and download data to LOTW using the logging software utility.

The N3FJP site < http://n3fjp.com/ > offers support for this program. 


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: KD0LAV on November 20, 2011, 02:25:01 PM
Thanks Charles.  I did recheck the url you provided and I have the right one.  Everytime I try to send a log it keeps telling me that it isn't signed.  I apparently am missing a step somehow even though I have gone over them many times. I would like to not change logs.  That may have to come though.  Thanks for the info.


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: KF7CG on November 22, 2011, 10:59:28 AM
If you are sending the file directly to LOTW, it must be signed using TSQL which generates a "filename.TQ8" file. It is the TQ8 file that is sent.

KF7CG


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: N4NYY on November 23, 2011, 07:41:18 PM
KD0LAV,

Get a local club member or ham that uploads to LoTW and see if he can come over to see what is wrong.


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: KD0LAV on November 27, 2011, 08:41:47 AM
Yep, that is the next step now that the Holiday is over.  I have gotten a few emails from  others that are in the same spot I am and not getting what should be happening.  I am glad to know it's not just me.


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: KC9QQ on December 07, 2011, 02:38:21 PM
For whatever reason, I cannot get mu HRD 5.0 to get the automatic upload to LoTW to work. So I do it manually as stated above. That still only takes 1 minute.

I had the same problem with HRD 5.0.  After reading the documentation on HRD 5.0 I realized that I was not running the latest version of the TQSL software.  Once I downloaded and installed the latest version of TQSL from the ARRL website the HRD 5.0 LOTW upload started working.

Fred, KC9QQ


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: AH6RR on December 07, 2011, 09:51:30 PM
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Now if I could just figure out how to upload to LOTW from hrd....Huh??

I have HRD. I use the export function. HRD had an auto upload, but the damn thing refuses to acceot my password, for some reason.

I use HRD's LOTW upload and it works FB. You must have TQSL V1.13 for it to work right also the right password helps too. On the HDR upload pop-up window the first part is where you put in your LoTW web page user name and password, the next part is where you put the path to your TQSL on your computer, your password and your station location and they must all match exactly (it's the same for all logging programs that have LoTW uploads) as you have on the TQSL program. I run HRD v5.0 build 2893.
GL
Roland AH6RR


Title: RE: Need help on LoTW
Post by: KB1VCZ on December 09, 2011, 10:22:59 AM
I too am having problems uploading from HRD to LOTW. I initially set this up and the very first file I sent worked, and out of 60 QSO I got back 5 QSL confirmations.

I tried to upload again by selecting 10 more QSO I made, but when the transfer page comes up--the one with all the passwrod fields etc--I never see the tab next to the green progress bar on teh bottom turn to Finished.

The entries get marked as being sent, but obviously something is not working properly.

I double checked all my logins and password, and path entries and even re-installed things, but I still can't upload--even though just a few weeks ago this setup worked fine.

I just uploaded a file manually on the LOTW webpage but that doesn't seem to have been processed yet.

LOTW doesn't give much info on files in the queue--only that the file was uploaded.