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Title: Why was my post deleted
Post by: AC5UP on January 18, 2012, 09:01:07 PM
And, on a related note, this morning I posted a message in this thread http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,80386.0.html which disappeared this evening... Not edited, but disappeared, completely. Like political dissidents of totalitarian regimes sometimes disappear in the dark of night, never to be heard from again.

No doubt my comments were a bit too colorful for at least one of the Admins here, and I do understand the board is under no obligation expressed or implied to preserve my scribblings, but I think it's ironic this occurred on the same day the board is in alleged solidarity with the folks who believe the SOPA / PIPA legislation could open the door to government censorship of the web.

My. My. My.

Apparently being censored is considered a bad thing by someone here at eHam, but actual censoring? Not so much, because all it takes is a click of a mouse and a mind oblivious to the hypocrisy involved.


Title: Why was my post deleted
Post by: K5TR on January 19, 2012, 07:36:40 AM
No doubt my comments were a bit too colorful

Yes, as I recall that was part of the issue with that post - I think it was also somewhat insulting as well and it
did nothing to further the discussion.

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Apparently being censored is considered a bad thing by someone here at eHam, but actual censoring? Not so much, because all it takes is a click of a mouse and a mind oblivious to the hypocrisy involved.

Hypocrisy?  Maybe, maybe not.   

I don't think it really is - there are very few posts that ever are removed or censored here on eHam.net.
We do have some limits as to behavior we will tolerate on the site.  There are plenty of places on the web that have almost zero control at all - USENET is an example. I want those places to continue to exist if they so choose but I do not want to be the one running a site that provides a USENET like experience.  I also want to ensure that you and others can create places on the net that will allow the full expression of your free speech rights.  To that end I support as open an internet as can be had.

The SOPA and PIPA bills as proposed would likely create all sorts of issues for sites that allow for user generated content.


Title: Why was my post deleted
Post by: AC5UP on January 19, 2012, 09:19:35 AM
Yes, as I recall that was part of the issue with that post - I think it was also somewhat insulting as well and it did nothing to further the discussion.

In other words, you didn't notice the full paragraph explaining that the HW-101 multiplexes band crystals and if one goes bad it can affect several if not all bands? And that garbled audio is one symptom of a heterodyne crystal far enough off frequency that the IF bandpass can move toward the skirts (and beyond) of the SSB filter?

Did those comments do nothing to further the discussion and need to be deleted?         Really?        Because they were deleted.

If you object to a portion of a post at least have the courtesy to edit out the objectionable portions and leave the rest intact. Removing the entire post does nothing to educate myself or others as to what is considered acceptable in the forums and might lead me to incorrect assumptions...

Like how you can oppose censorship at the same time you're deleting legitimate content. That's what hypocrisy looks like, and it's on you.


Title: Why was my post deleted
Post by: K5TR on January 19, 2012, 10:01:14 AM

If you object to a portion of a post at least have the courtesy to edit out the objectionable portions and leave the rest intact. Removing the entire post does nothing to educate myself or others as to what is considered acceptable in the forums and might lead me to incorrect assumptions...


I do think that editing the post is better - in fact I feel that is worse since we could alter what someone is trying to say.

The tools we have to control content in the forums is crude. I am sorry if you feel that the post was unjustly treated.

I will never claim that the correct actions are taken on posts that we and/or users have issues with - indeed I know that
you can find many visitors to the site that say that we not heavy handed enough. 

I wish that we had a way to easily hide a post and then contact the poster to talk about the post while it is hidden from view
as I feel that would be a better solution for the few posts that we are thinking need to be removed or altered. Our exchange
has been useful to me in that I am thinking of ways that we can do a better job in dealing with posts.

Please repost the content that you feel is missing from that thread. 



Title: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N4NYY on January 19, 2012, 02:23:01 PM
George K5TR,

I saw the post that you deleted and you are way out of line. AC5UP is one of the several contributors with a wealth of knowledge to this forum, especially in the Boatanchors area. I saw the post that you deleted, and I did not find it insulting, but instead sarcastic. There was also info in his post about the AGC problems with the HW-101, which you deleted.

I am starting to thing that you cannot discern the difference between sarcasm, joking, and insulting. And if that is the case, you should not be a moderator.

FWIW, I am a member of about 10 different forums, ranging from ham radio to baseball (I am one of the moderators for the baseball forum). Ever since the AG6K raiding and wreaking havoc on the Amps forum here, the moderation has become excessive. In fact, I can safely say that this forum has more censorship alone, than all my other forums combined. And in fact, I am of the belief that you have become more a censor, than a moderator.

This post will likely be deleted because that is your style. However, I am going to send PMs/emails to the site managers, informing them of your censorship.

I honestly thought you were a better person than to blame it on your "crude forum tools".


Title: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N4NYY on January 19, 2012, 02:47:12 PM
BTW George, I find it a travesty that you deleted AC5UP's post on the HW-101, which was far more informative than the "Contesting Redneck Style" in the Elmers' forum, which was neither an elmering subject, but was a troll subject on the use of illegal CB amplifiers and their keydowns. That thread is now 4 pages long.

Your discretion is poor.


Title: Why was my post deleted
Post by: AC5UP on January 19, 2012, 03:19:12 PM
Not to pick nits, but.......................

I do think that editing the post is better - in fact I feel that is worse since we could alter what someone is trying to say.

? Que ?

It takes only a moment to proofread a post and IMHO that's time well spent. Kinda' like the moment of consideration that should be taken before removing a post...


Title: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N4NYY on January 19, 2012, 03:21:52 PM
I sent an email that his moderation is becoming excessive and becoming more of a censor (how ironic). I am a moderator/manager on a baseball forum, and a member of numerous other forums. He moderates/censor more than all my other forums combined.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: AC5UP on January 19, 2012, 04:24:29 PM
For those of you reading this thread for the first time................................. Me Too.

You see, the post at the top of this thread was originally a part of this thread: http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,80390.0.html ...and located right after Reply #3 by WØFM.

At no time have I started a thread asking " Why was my post deleted ", nor have I posted anything in any such thread until now. This thread was created by someone other than myself and consists in part of comments moved from the SOPA / PIPA thread.

A thread which............ Hypocritically enough............. Is about censorship on the web.

In other words, at eHam what you see posted isn't always what was posted. Some content may have been moved or removed, and some day you may find that you created a new thread without creating a new thread.

Amazin', ain't it?


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N4NYY on January 19, 2012, 04:52:05 PM
K5TR,

Why the hell are you starting threads with other people's logon ID? What the hell are you doing? AC5UP did not start this thread. Yet you made it appear that he did. You are not scoring any points here. I am pretty sure that there are laws against this.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: K5TR on January 19, 2012, 05:26:00 PM
All I did was split this topic out of the Logo thread because it was going beyond the scope of the original question.
It has better visibility now than it did before.

I can fold it back into that thread if you like.



Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N4NYY on January 19, 2012, 05:35:40 PM
George,

If you want to do us a favor, just use better discretion. Don't move threads to make it look like someone else started it. It just appears like AC5UP started this, but you did instead. Be less aggressive with moderating. As I said, you censor more stuff than all my other forums combined. And I have seen far worse threads that were untouched than the HW-101 comments that AC5UP posted.

In the future, use the PM to notify the poster that his post needs to be less colorful. If they do not fix it, then edit their posts with asterisks in places that need to be deleted. But to delete entire posts, parts of which are informative, is simply wrong.

Lets just move past this and and bury it.



Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: KI4SDY on January 20, 2012, 08:37:18 AM
I think the censorship problem here (and has always been) is that specific rules need to be posted on the front page as to what is subject to being deleted along with consistent and equal enforcement of those rules!  ;D


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: AC5UP on January 20, 2012, 09:11:32 AM
In the future, use the PM to notify the poster that his post needs to be less colorful.

I wouldn't be offended if a moderator got in the habit of replying to questionable posts within the thread itself. While at first glance it might seem more polite to do so in private mail, a little public diplomacy could serve the purpose of letting other users know the moderator took notice, the moderator is working on resolving the (alleged) issue, and all concerned can observe how the (alleged) issue is resolved.

Think of it as a learning opportunity instead of a "correction". Why keep that private?


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: KI4SDY on January 22, 2012, 07:38:19 AM
"I think it was also somewhat insulting as well and it did nothing to further the discussion."

If this is some kind of standard for deletion, then why under the "Mobile Ham" section in the "Magnetic Mounts....Just how safe are they?" string, was K1CJS's "off topic and insulting" post to W8JX not removed?  ;)

Further, under the "Site Talk" section in the "meta issue: "Deep Impact" thread locked," why were multiple "insulting" posts that did nothing to further the discussion allowed to remain and not removed?  ;)

If you don't have specific rules published that everyone can read for reference along with fair and equal enforcement of those rules, intelligent users of the eHam.net site will rightfully complain, as they have here. To put it simply; The buzzards have come home to roost!  ;D

Inconsistent discipline will never yield the desired results. In fact, it actually encourages bad behavior!  :o    


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N3QE on January 22, 2012, 08:35:17 AM
AC5UP sometimes has strong opinions and I don't always agree with him, but I don't see why any of his posts would have to be deleted. Most of his posts are way more factual than opinion based anyway.

Maybe someone took a dig at a design of a 50 year old radio, as a personal attack? I hope not. Even new rigs have their flaws and there's no need to feel insulted as an owner.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: AC5UP on January 23, 2012, 03:47:06 PM
Since last spring I've postulated that like the migration of salmon, a Heathshkit must return to the landfill of its birth before it can die.....

*   I've also claimed that Heathshkit is the Chippewa word for  " throw in dumpster "

*   The Ham station in Hell (where the bands are never open) is 100% Benton Harbor Green

*   The difference between a HazWaste-101 and a hemorrhoid is.......            Hemorrhoids don't drift

*   Technicians upgrading to General want a Heathshkit as their first HF rig since that guarantees their next rig will be better

This is one of my favorites:   http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php/topic,79910.msg564358.html#msg564358





But aside from that, there have been some humorous comments.....................   ;D


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: K1CJS on January 25, 2012, 05:35:22 AM
Speaking of such, 'SDY, almost ALL of YOUR posts ought to be removed from everywhere on this site if the intent is to eliminate off topic and insulting posts.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: KI4SDY on January 25, 2012, 07:05:32 AM
As we can see, this not about a single post by a single member, but about improving the entire atmosphere of the eHam.net site for everyone involved. To do that, we need published specific rules and fair and equal enforcement of those rules!  ;)

By the way, does anyone know what this poor fellow is so angry about? I would like to help him if I could.  :)


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N0YXB on January 25, 2012, 08:16:19 AM
Hmmm, why would he have a problem with your passive-aggressive postings that frequently target him?  If you're so concerned about the "entire atmosphere of eHam", I suggest looking in a mirror.  Ok, now flame away.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: KI4SDY on January 25, 2012, 08:36:05 AM
Are you still mad about that "Bolt Spacing" string on "Antennas and More," when the engineers and professionals that actually install towers for a living agreed with my position, instead of yours? Man, that was back in July of last year! Some of these hams on eHam.net sure hold a grudge for a long time over nothing and stalk forever to get even! :o

If it will help, I apologize to both of for any embarrassment I may have caused.  :)


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: AE4RV on January 25, 2012, 10:26:26 AM
Your still mad about that "Bolt Spacing" string on "Antennas and More" when the engineers and professionals that actually install towers for a living agreed with my position, instead of yours? Man, that was back in July of last year! Some of these hams on eHam.net sure hold a grudge for long time and then stalk others to get even! :o

If it will help, I apologize to you both for any embarrassment you think I may have caused you.  :)

I can't get any of those links to work.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: VK2FXXX on January 26, 2012, 02:18:55 AM
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I can't get any of those links to work.
:D


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: K1CJS on January 26, 2012, 05:38:20 AM
No, 'SDY, I'm not still mad about anything.  When you, however, attack perple personally when you don't even know anything about them--including where and for whom they worked and what they're past experiences are, as you did to me, people are bound to remember what you said on this forum.

Your reputation precedes you--thence the comments that were made here about you.  Further, you never apologise (except for the one post here--which I doubt is sincere) for anything you say--and are proved wrong about, and that just adds to that reputation.

Yes, I've made my mistakes too.  When I do, I own up to them.  You would be wise to do likewise.  Now, I'm not going to stir this pot anymore since I've had my say.  73 to everyone--and I do mean everyone.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: KI4SDY on January 26, 2012, 08:01:32 AM
"When you, however, attack perple ( perple? Are you talking about people or a color? I actually like purple.) personally when you don't even know anything about them-including where and for whom they worked and what they're past experiences are, as you did to me, people are bound to remember what you said on this forum."  

Would you be so kind as to give us some specific examples of your comments? Are you saying you don't feel properly acknowledged as a person and that others are out to get you?  :o

If I have done anything to make you feel this way, I surely apologize again and will try to take your inner feelings into account in the future.  :)

  


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N4NYY on January 26, 2012, 07:37:24 PM
Now play nice, guys. This wasn't a thread to bitch and moan about others. This was a thread about excessive moderation and censorship, which likely got to the point.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: K1CJS on January 27, 2012, 04:07:14 AM
You're right--my apologies.  I should have know better than to try being reasonable.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: KI4SDY on January 27, 2012, 09:12:15 AM
Enough examples, now back to the main issue! Notice that after I stated what has been needed on eHam.net are specific rules published on the front page of the site and equal and fair enforcement of those rules. Adding to that, the fact that inconsistent discipline does not yield the desired results, but instead encourages bad behavior. Finally, after having supplied some comparative worse behavior that was not dealt with in the same way as the original poster's, the Administrator has declined to make any more comments!  ;)

I think that this is very telling and sad. It means we will most likely never experience an improved neighborly atmosphere on eHam.net.  :'(


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: AC4RD on January 27, 2012, 12:13:51 PM
...we will most likely never experience an improved neighborly atmosphere on eHam.net.  :'(

Just MHO, but if you want a neighborly atmosphere here, just start trying to make EVERY post a positive one.  Be nice, be pleasant, be neighborly.  And encourage others to do likewise.  That's ALL it takes.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N3QE on January 28, 2012, 08:14:46 AM
As we can see, this not about a single post by a single member, but about improving the entire atmosphere of the eHam.net site for everyone involved. To do that, we need published specific rules and fair and equal enforcement of those rules!  ;)

By the way, does anyone know what this poor fellow is so angry about? I would like to help him if I could.  :)

50 years ago a guy building a heathkit had to have some thick skin when the uppity collins folks types made deragatory remarks about his choices or budget. Today it's no different.

I know we are supposed to be more politically correct and not make dumb ethnic jokes, and dumb heathkit jokes aren't much different, but we all put up with this sort of stuff when we were kids on the school playground, I'm sure we can deal with it here without censorship today.

Heck, when I was a kid, it was dumb polish jokes, and I have that ancestry. I own heathkits and like to think that as a result I can appreciate dumb heathkit jokes better than the average guy :-)

And when I feel that way... I'd like to think I could make posts about ricebox rigs. Or YaeComWood rigs. I know they're prominently featured in every advertiser's ad.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: KI4SDY on January 29, 2012, 09:08:17 AM
"Just my HMO, but if you want a neighborly atmosphere here, just start by making EVERY post a positive one."
This is a wonderful idea, but it is not reality. That is why we are having this discussion!  ;)

"I am sure that we can deal with it here without censorship today."
Another wonderful idea, but it is not reality either. We do have censorship on eHam.net renamed "moderation." The question is, why is it not being applied equally and fair with specific rules that everyone can read and follow.  :-\


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: AC4RD on January 29, 2012, 03:46:31 PM
"... if you want a neighborly atmosphere here, just start by making EVERY post a positive one."
 We do have censorship on eHam.net renamed "moderation." The question is, why is it not being

OK, you obviously either didn't get what I was saying, or you aren't interested in trying it. 

Want me to explain it again?



Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: AC5UP on January 29, 2012, 04:34:44 PM
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pissing+contest


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N4NYY on January 29, 2012, 07:00:27 PM
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pissing+contest

Troublemaker.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: AC5UP on January 29, 2012, 07:29:10 PM

You know me too well..............    ::)


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: KI4SDY on January 30, 2012, 07:02:29 AM
If you are serious about solving a problem, you have to identify the actual cause. Failure to do that results in a continuous repetition of the undesired results.  ;)

You need to stay focused on the "moderation" issue, unless you just want more of the same bad behavior.  :-\


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N4NYY on January 30, 2012, 11:39:00 AM
If you are serious about solving a problem, you have to identify the actual cause. Failure to do that results in a continuous repetition of the undesired results.  ;)

You need to stay focused on the "moderation" issue, unless you just want more of the same bad behavior.  :-\

I do not know what pissing contests get excess moderation, whether it is with you or others. In the case of AC5UP, there was no pissing contest, and it was informative dialogue regarding HW-101 and AGC problems. Unfortunately, the entire post was deleted instead of maybe the portion that was offensive. And even was offensive part, was more sarcasm. There was no need for deletion.

As far as the pissing contests and make calling, they do delete those types of posts frequently, and I do not have a problem with that. A lot of name calling and verbal abuse is contained within those threads, and they do nothing but alienate other. I am not blaming you or anyone else. But as I said, the AC5UP issue was a whole different ballgame, and it treads on dangerous grounds, especially when it happened during the SOPA "black label" day.

I would bury this thread as I think it has made it's point.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: KI4SDY on January 30, 2012, 04:56:38 PM
"There was no need for deletion."
How can you make that judgement if there are no specific rules that users can read and assess what would be fair and equal treatment of AC5UP's post? Again, this is a much larger issue than a single post or even a whole thread that was removed. Entire threads have been removed before. What is the rule for that and where do we read it.?  :-\

I don't think we should "bury this thread" until there is a resolution and an improvement in the moderation process. Otherwise, a few months from now, the same people will be back complaining about the same thing! If the issue is resolved, it will actually make it easier on the moderator! ;)  


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N4NYY on January 30, 2012, 05:43:42 PM
"There was no need for deletion."

How can you make that judgement if there are no specific rules that users can read and assess what would be fair and equal treatment of AC5UP's post? Again, this is a much larger issue than a single post or even a whole thread that was removed. Entire threads have been removed before. What is the rule for that and where do we read it.?  :-\

I don't think we should "bury this thread" until there is a resolution and an improvement in the moderation process. Otherwise, a few months from now, the same people will be back complaining about the same thing! If the issue is resolved, it will actually make it easier on the moderator! ;)  

I made a judgement based on there was not offensive comment intended to one specific individual. He has always used colorful examples when talking about Heathkit.

The moderation process is really up to the staff and owners of the site. We may agree that we need better discretion and rules, but ultimately, there is no freedom of speech here because it is their own forum, and they could really do whatever they want.

The only thing we should do is try and to correct they flaws of moderation, and hope they take it under advisement. But as I said, they don't have to do squat.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: KI4SDY on January 30, 2012, 11:38:39 PM
"I made a judgement based on there was not offensive comment intended to one specific individual."
Where is that rule posted officially and who made it up? This site, indeed this string, is made up of comments that are "offensive to one specific individual," for one reason or another. In other words, this is your opinion, that carries no weight under the current situation as an individual. If you don't want it continuously repeated you have to request, as a group, that the parameters which caused it to be removed are changed.  ;)

"The moderation process is really up to the staff and owners of the site."
I covered this obvious point again just two postings ago and throughout my comments! ;)

"The only thing we should do is try and to correct they flaws of moderation, and hope they take it under advisement. But as I said, they don't have to do squat."
Bingo! Unless a group of members with a specific goal that is good for everyone wants it, nothing will be changed. You are wasting your time complaining about it. However, history has taught us that the owner or owners of eHam.net are more likely to listen and change things when a large group of members request it!  ;D



Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N4NYY on January 31, 2012, 05:03:26 AM
OMG. You are being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. I am not even arguing with you, and you are nitpicking every word I write for no reason other than that is what you do.

Just let it go.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: KI4SDY on January 31, 2012, 06:14:32 AM
Actually, I am trying to lead you to a permanent solution to an ongoing problem. The question is, are you and your group going to join together with others and loudly and repeatedly ask for change in the moderation process or just gripe a little and continue to be treated in the same way?  :-\


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N4NYY on January 31, 2012, 06:42:36 AM
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Actually, I am trying to lead you to a permanent solution to an ongoing problem. The question is, are you and your group going to join together with others and loudly and repeatedly ask for change in the moderation process or just gripe a little and continue to be treated in the same way?  Undecided

The solutions up to the owners of this forum and there is not a damn thing we can do about it except to leave. The bottom like is, they could do whatever the hell they want, and there is nothing we can do except bitch and moan.

And I am NOT the leader of any group.

Sometimes, it is just not worth the breath. Just let it go.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: KI4SDY on January 31, 2012, 06:52:23 AM
If you are not willing to help yourself or others with this problem why don't you take your own advice and quit posting? I don't think cursing is adding anything productive to the discussion.  ;)



Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N4NYY on January 31, 2012, 07:04:23 AM
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If you are not willing to help yourself or others with this problem why don't you take your own advice and quit posting? I don't think cursing is adding anything productive.

I'll do you one better. You are the first person ever since I have been on this forum, that I will use the "ignore" button.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: KI4SDY on January 31, 2012, 07:07:38 AM
Since you are not willing to do anything productive about this issue, I greatly appreciate that!  ;D


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: K1CJS on January 31, 2012, 11:35:12 AM
OMG. You are being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. I am not even arguing with you, and you are nitpicking every word I write for no reason other than that is what you do....

Not to be rude or mean, but you're just realizing that?  That is one reason that I ignore that person.  Too bad that ignore doesn't include his spew-fests that other people quote.  Unfortunately, the guideline "Ignore the troublemaker and he'll go away"  just doesn't apply to him.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N4NYY on January 31, 2012, 12:14:02 PM
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Not to be rude or mean, but you're just realizing that?

There are thousands of users of this forum. I cannot memorize every kook, and I have not had any experience with him before this thread. But I know his kind. They live for having the last word. So I ignored him. I can no longer see any of his posts, from past, or present.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: K1CJS on January 31, 2012, 01:51:15 PM
I do understand that, but after a while these people tend to stand out. 

I don't like using the ignore button, but its one way to let you know who the arguers are--if you use it for that purpose.  Of course, I've been insulted and called down so many times by him--whom I don't know from a hole in the wall and vice versa--that I really don't care how much he spouts off anymore.  That poor soul lives to argue, and the way his posts are made, with italics and underlining, just goes to show that he has many, many problems and should be pitied.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N4NYY on January 31, 2012, 03:33:28 PM
I do understand that, but after a while these people tend to stand out. 

I don't like using the ignore button, but its one way to let you know who the arguers are--if you use it for that purpose.  Of course, I've been insulted and called down so many times by him--whom I don't know from a hole in the wall and vice versa--that I really don't care how much he spouts off anymore.  That poor soul lives to argue, and the way his posts are made, with italics and underlining, just goes to show that he has many, many problems and should be pitied.

I pretty much hang out on Boatanchors, Elmers, DXing, Mods/Repairs, and straggle on a few others. I pretty much have a gentlemen's agreement with AC5UP, that he is allowed to verbally abuse me as long as he elmers and mentors my hobby. As you can see from my QRZ page, I am about 45 years old, but am probably closer to 15 years old in ham years. I had to restart the engines for my electronic training from the mid 1980's. Tubes have been a challenge as I had no experience with them.

So, I welcome abuse in exchange for knowledge. It has worked out well for me on Boatanchors, and I have made some nice restorations, and provided a some fodder for laughs for the elder statesmen of the ham hobby.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: AC5UP on January 31, 2012, 07:39:52 PM
Now I'm supposed to help you phix phugly Philco's ??

Shoulda' taken up archeology for a hobby. Could spend my spare time digging through landfills for Heathshkit parts instead...


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N4NYY on February 01, 2012, 05:29:37 AM
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Now I'm supposed to help you phix phugly Philco's ??

Yes


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N4JTE on February 01, 2012, 03:17:23 PM
George, please feel free too lock this thread, nothing left to say that has not been said, blame it on me!
Regards to all,
Bob


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N4NYY on February 01, 2012, 07:56:27 PM
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George, please feel free too lock this thread, nothing left to say that has not been said, blame it on me!
Regards to all,
Bob

Amen


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: KI4SDY on February 01, 2012, 08:03:43 PM
I don't think someone who has not participated in a discussion should show up on a string and ask for it to be shut down. Pretty rude!   :-X

Besides, there are some comments that need to be addressed first. As an example:

Many of the posts on this string are off-topic, insulting and slanderous. They should be removed, if moderation on eHam.net is in fact fair and equal. ;)

There are also posts on this page that seem to be an admission of some type of unnatural fetish relationship being carried out on eHam.net. As a site that is open to all ages, I think this is highly inappropriate and review of any posts by those involved is in order to eliminate such activity from the site.  :o

I would also like to point out that those who are claiming to "ignore" me are in fact following me around the site and or repeatedly making insulting comments. They are the product of a flawed moderation policy!   :(


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: K1CJS on February 02, 2012, 04:43:07 AM
Both you, Vinnie, and Nelson are hoots!  Nice to see that not everyone here takes themselves so seriously.

Speaking of which, 'SDY--Following YOU around the site?  Oh, puleeze!  You flatter yourself.

Added--BTW, I agree.  Nothing more to be said that already hasn't been said.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N0YXB on February 02, 2012, 05:29:10 AM
Amen!


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N0YXB on February 02, 2012, 05:31:08 AM
Oh wait, I should have said, Amen!  :D   ;)  ::)


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: AC5UP on February 02, 2012, 06:15:55 AM
There are also posts on this page that seem to be an admission of some type of unnatural fetish relationship being carried out on eHam.net.

HOT DAMN !!!

Can we delay locking this thread in light of the new argument presented? Anything involving animal sacrifice or a livestock fetish has my attention.............



Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: KI4SDY on February 02, 2012, 06:27:05 AM
Some people are in denial, while continuing to commit the acts they profess not to. I am not surprised!  ;)


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: K1CJS on February 03, 2012, 09:06:25 PM
You're not only getting tiresome, 'SDY you're getting moronic.  No, wait--you ARE moronic.  If I were stalking you, I would have a post following every post you made everywhere on this site attacking your opinions, and that is NOT the case, not by a long shot.  

I don't even care or see what kind of posts you make--that is what the ignore feature is for--unless they're quoted by another member.  I offer my opinion based on my knowledge and experiences, and I don't care what you say about it--unless you start attacking me directly as you've done often AND I SEE IT.  THEN I say something about it.

Yes, I make mistakes.  Everybody does--yet not everybody admits to doing so.  I've never seen you admit to any--yet you've made some beauts.  Well, I'm going to admit to another mistake--answering you, and as some would say, feeding the troll, and I'm going to be blunt.  I'm not going to bother anymore with you--an obvious pot stirrer and troublemaker--nor am I going to answer you in any way.  So kindly return that favor, and don't ridicule, belittle or question my posts. 

So there may yet be peace.  (But I somehow doubt it.)


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: KI4SDY on February 04, 2012, 06:41:27 AM
So, other than the repetitive, rude, insulting and slanderous seven posts about me that you have published on this string (and numerous posts over this site), what productive idea or comment do you have concerning the original subject of the moderation issue?  :)


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N4NYY on February 06, 2012, 05:05:11 PM
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This user is currently ignored.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: K1CJS on February 07, 2012, 05:14:08 AM
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This user is currently ignored.

Gee, that's what I said!   ;D


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: MAGNUM257 on February 17, 2012, 12:29:19 PM
Moderators, PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD. It is a black eye to HAM radio.


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: KI4SDY on February 17, 2012, 05:24:19 PM
Actually, it is a black eye to the current lack of informed, fair and effective moderation!  ;)


Title: RE: Why was my post deleted
Post by: N0YXB on February 18, 2012, 07:21:30 AM
This user is currently ignored.

I had to.  It must be the demon in me.  That, or flat black spray paint huffers get on my nerves.   ;)