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Title: Leaving eham
Post by: N4MJG on February 02, 2012, 02:56:00 PM
Guys,

 Sorry i hate to say i'm leaving eham ! i'm hurt all this because of my problem with  grammar and sentence structure,well hell duh  i can't help it i been that way for years ! i try my best to explain on ftm 350 radio.

And not going to post any more ! it killing me and this is 2nd email about  grammar and sentence problem !

Jackie
N4MJG


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: WB4LCN on February 02, 2012, 04:42:58 PM
What? Is someone making an issue about you grammar? I'm sorry if someone hurt your feelings. Know that not everyone has a tight sphincter over the littlest of things, just those anal orifices.

dave :)


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: N4MJG on February 02, 2012, 04:57:16 PM
What? Is someone making an issue about you grammar? I'm sorry if someone hurt your feelings. Know that not everyone has a tight sphincter over the littlest of things, just those anal orifices.

dave :)

i'm not perfect, but i do try thuo.i might just try to stay as long as i can !
 
I enjoyed ham radio so much, but what ever i post something. atleast i'm trying !  :(


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: K3WEC on February 02, 2012, 06:08:43 PM
There's not a single perfect person on here or anywhere in the world.   Lots of people (including some hams here) have cruddy lives with nothing to do but hide behind their computers and radios while criticizing strangers.  It's a sad existence.     

Saw your shack online.  Very nice!   Looks like you have quite a few CW awards.  CW is not something that everyone can grasp... you may just want to give some of the goofballs that criticize your grammar a run on CW!   :)


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: WB4LCN on February 02, 2012, 06:50:13 PM
Yep, hang in there, my friend. We got your back. Gimme a shout (PM) sometimes, Jackie. ;)

dave


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: WD6GLA on February 02, 2012, 06:52:42 PM
Dont let it get under your skin Jackie ,  K3WEC pretty much nailed it .   Yes ,  there are a few self rightious no-lifers on here that hide behind a keyboard and criticize others ,  and others who think they are god's gift to ham radio and know everything there is to know about it .  But its the same with any hobby you take up .  There is a lot of very good information in here ,  take advantage of it and ignore the fools .  I get pissed off alot in here too from some of the stuff I read but I just cool off and ignore it .  Where are you going to go anyway , QRZ is even worse .  Hang in there ..... 

N7BDY
Bob   


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: STAYVERTICAL on February 02, 2012, 11:03:55 PM
Hi Jackie,

I can understand your position, and if it is causing you distress, I would say it is best to avoid the situation.
Unfortunately, these days, people judge others not by looking them in the eye and talking with them, but by what is typed on a keyboard.
This means they don't have any real understanding of who that person really is, and what their life is about.

Grammar does not make the man, but rather manner.
Those who would criticize a person based on their grammar skills, show a contempt for civility, have no manners and should probably be avoided as the frustrated bullies that they are.

I don't know if you can find a forum where some small minded person will not try and inflate their own self worth by picking on inconsequential aspects of a posting, so ignore these jerks.

But again, if it is causing you pain, I would avoid it as well, although there are some nice comments from some posters about having your back. 
The good guys always outnumber the jerks.

73s


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: EI4GMB on February 03, 2012, 02:57:05 AM
Hi Jackie,

I have no problem understanding your grammar or sentence structure.
Don't give up. Please stay with us.

Kind Regards

Fred EI4GMB


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: KJ4FUU on February 03, 2012, 10:31:17 AM
Only once on the eham forums have I made mention of someone's grammar/spelling/sentence structure. I would never
do that on a forum where someone was asking advice on a technical subject. The one time I did it was a guy who was
explaining why he did a PayPal chargeback after he had received the item. He obviously had reading comprehension
problems as well, as he thought he had paid twice. End result: for once PayPal sided with the seller, he had not paid
twice, and had received the item and the chargeback was disallowed.

Both sides were arguing on that forum, and I merely pointed out that when one of the posters wrote fairly clearly, but
the other posted like a "tween" text message, I had a bias on whose side of the story to believe.

I don't think you were in there, so I don't think it's me that you're angry at. In any case, that particular dispute just
got me angry enough to post. Normally, I don't do things like that unless you somehow rile me up with personal insults
first.

73,

-- Tom


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: ONAIR on February 03, 2012, 11:09:57 AM
There's not a single perfect person on here or anywhere in the world.   Lots of people (including some hams here) have cruddy lives with nothing to do but hide behind their computers and radios while criticizing strangers.  It's a sad existence.     

Saw your shack online.  Very nice!   Looks like you have quite a few CW awards.  CW is not something that everyone can grasp... you may just want to give some of the goofballs that criticize your grammar a run on CW!   :)
  Please don't leave!  Your grammar issues are nothing, compared to the language and profanity that can be heard almost daily on 14.313!


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: N5RWJ on February 03, 2012, 11:32:27 AM
Why not get a good sell checking program? Could someone give this ham advice?


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: ONAIR on February 03, 2012, 11:40:49 AM
Why not get a good sell checking program? Could someone give this ham advice?
      You mean "spell" checking???  :(


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: N6AJR on February 03, 2012, 12:06:56 PM
Not only can I not spell, get the grammer correct, or even type with more than 2 fingers, I still get on here and give 'em  hell, harry!!!

 the only one  thing I am positive  on how to spell is Fan Dipole.  ( ya had to know I'd sneak that in :) so keep on keeping on.

 the reason we have this problem is that we are very smart and our hands can not keep up with the speed of thoughts we are trying to put down on "paper".  so join the ranks of the  human race, don't expect to be perfect, then you can live up to your expectations.

  and yopu should see how I spell that shiny metal they make tin foil out of..., aluminumunimumin , don't cha know....



Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: KJ1D on February 03, 2012, 03:10:49 PM
Hang in there Jackie. Don't pay any attention to the idiots.


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: N4MJG on February 03, 2012, 06:24:10 PM
Here is the email that he sent me !

WITHOUT PREJUDICE
 
I just read your eham review of the FTM-350 dated Oct. 23, 2011 - 14:08. I'm thinking of buying this rig and I am trying to obtain as much feedback as possible. Your eHam post was no help at all.
 
I appreciate your effort but ............
May I suggest that you proof read your script before posting it. It is no shame to ask for help.
The grammar and sentence structure leave a lot to be desired. I absolutely have no idea what you mean by:
 
I just called yeasu about using on either side now they tell me it don't matter ! it great little rig, you have to read it real good ! or you will get confused like i did first time ! do take time to read them ,so you can get better understanding this rig more !
 
Either side of what? What doesn't matter? Read what "real good"? Confused. That I understand.

I've read better English in a Chinese instruction manual translated into English by a Korean. Posts like this are meaningless. It is no better than writing an eHam review on a piece of equipment you've never owned, never seen and never used.
 
Please write a meaningful update so other readers who do not already own this radio may better understand what the heck it is you are talking about.
 
Thank you.


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: KE4DRN on February 03, 2012, 08:16:16 PM
hi Jackie,

Eham now has a nice feature 'ignore user options'

on the green band, click on Profile, then below you
will find Modify Profile, select 'Ignore User Options'
you can add as many users as you like.

73 james


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: W5TTW on February 03, 2012, 08:16:26 PM
Consider getting yourself Microsoft Word or something that checks grammar, syntax, spelling, etc.  (There’s freeware and reasonably priced word processors out there.)   Compose your messages in it then cut & paste them into the forum.
I’d hate to see you go.       


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: W1JKA on February 04, 2012, 01:41:55 AM
  Stay with us Jackie and keep doing your own thing,many helpful hints on previous post. If I do not understand a particular post I just use the scroll down function on my computer.Life is to short to give any consideration to the NEGATOIDS out there who apparently lack self esteem and are trying to prove something to themselves but certainly not others.


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: W0DV on February 04, 2012, 10:13:07 AM
Jackie: your experience, expertise, and knowledge of Ham Radio is needed, and wanted in forums such as these.  Please don't let less than honorable individuals drive you away.

73

Dave


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: WB2WIK on February 04, 2012, 07:12:04 PM
I don't recall a spelling or grammar test in the ham exams, either.

Just do what you can and the heck with the dissidents.




Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: KB1TXK on February 06, 2012, 07:33:14 AM
"I've read better English in a Chinese instruction manual translated into English by a Korean."

You were sent an idiotic email from someone who thought up this 'witty' (no) line weeks ago and has been DYING for a chance to use it.  They like to think that people care about their opinions of others, because nobody else really has much of an opinion of them.  Seriously...the pettiness of emailing someone because you don't like their spelling in an eham review...give me a break. Pathetic.

Ignore these immature dolts, and keep on doin' what you're doin' :)


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: KC6YFR on February 06, 2012, 09:52:05 AM
Friends,
I'm a member of www.mikenchell.com It's a teardrop trailer site for those building a little
trailer. Some of the people there have difficulty with English. Never has anyone been critical of their English. One even had his statement at the bottom of the message corrected for him. No one said a word. It is the most uplifting group of people I've ever seen. Sure I cringe at some of the things I read. I taught English for many years. We're all here just to do our best and perhaps leave this world a little better for our passing here. People ask for and receive prayers for unexpected events in their lives. I look forward to checking in almost daily.
I feel almost the same about this site. I can remember Mom telling me, "If you can't say anything nice-don't." I have learned so much here both from information given or from the Reviews. Thank you.


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: KE4DRN on February 06, 2012, 04:05:41 PM
hi,

most browsers will check spelling for you if you select the option.
I have no trouble understanding any posts from Jackie.

73 james


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: K1CJS on February 07, 2012, 04:47:35 AM
I have no wish to call anybody down, however, I have to point out that there sometimes are problems trying to read a posting that is a solid two or three inches of information, with no punctuation, capitalization, meaningful sentence structure, and so on.  I try to blunder through such posts when I see them, but most of the time I have to give up--trying to read them gives me a headache!

Jackie, please don't go, because sometimes I can see where you either are asking a legitimate question or have some meaningful answer to give.  73!



Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: K5UNX on February 07, 2012, 12:02:43 PM
Wow . . . . . So we have spelling and grammar police here? I would ignore them. My wife got sick this fall/winter. It affected her speech in such a way that she sounds like a little kid at time. I have to grow very patient real fast and realize that sometimes these things are not that important. The underlying message is what's important, not the spelling, grammar used. Please stay . . . I bet the grammar police can find something wrong with my posts also :)


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: WU0R on February 07, 2012, 12:48:31 PM
Hi Jackie


Well, it is sad indeed there are bullies on here, on the road, at work, you name it.  Hang in there man.  You have more people pulling for you then those that find it necessary to be abusive.  I have seen that personally myself from jerks on the air, cops on the air, you name it.  Forget about them.  Post whatever you like, however you like. If individuals find it necessary to comment about your grammar, etc., ignore them.

Get into the hobby, by getting on the air.  There are lots of good folk out there and a number have already shown you they care!

Take care with whatever you do my friend.  Will keep an ear out for you on the air, and a cup of coffee waiting....


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: NO6L on February 08, 2012, 12:52:25 AM
Some others already mentioned it, but I,d like elaborate. There was this guy that could not put a decent sentance together to save his life. Then he got a computer and discovered word processing aplications. After being constently corrected by the spelling and grammar correction engine in the application it began to sink in. Now he writes, though not professionally and still gets spelling wrong from time to time, occaisional articles in places like Eham.

That "guy" would be me. Here's what I suggest. Before submitting a thread or reply to one, first compose it in a word processing application, do a spell and grammar check and proof read it. Also, I suggesst changing font style and weight (to bold) before proof reading. It produces the same psycological effect as printing it out to proof read without printing. After you've got what you want, cut and paste into the browser. No one will be the wiser and your skills will improve.

Later & 73.


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: W5DQ on February 08, 2012, 02:32:11 PM
Hang in there Jackie. Don't pay any attention to the idiots.

Which idiots might that be? :)


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: AJ4CU on February 08, 2012, 07:34:57 PM
Don't sweat it, just a NEOMAXIZOONDWEEBI trying to upset you and make themselves feel impotent!!!

Stick around and enjoy!

73 DE AJ4CU
Hari


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: ONAIR on February 09, 2012, 10:53:46 AM
Some others already mentioned it, but I,d like elaborate. There was this guy that could not put a decent sentance together to save his life. Then he got a computer and discovered word processing aplications. After being constently corrected by the spelling and grammar correction engine in the application it began to sink in. Now he writes, though not professionally and still gets spelling wrong from time to time, occaisional articles in places like Eham.

That "guy" would be me. Here's what I suggest. Before submitting a thread or reply to one, first compose it in a word processing application, do a spell and grammar check and proof read it. Also, I suggesst changing font style and weight (to bold) before proof reading. It produces the same psycological effect as printing it out to proof read without printing. After you've got what you want, cut and paste into the browser. No one will be the wiser and your skills will improve.

Later & 73.
  Good advice.  Hey, wouldn't it be nice if the websites ran a program that automatically corrected the errors before the posts appeared on the page?


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: W5DQ on February 09, 2012, 11:05:58 AM
Good advice.  Hey, wouldn't it be nice if the websites ran a program that automatically corrected the errors before the posts appeared on the page?

Not pointing fingers at anyone but we all possess that function .... it's called proof read & edit before hitting the "POST" button. I do it all the time, almost every posting. And yes, I have a few zingers that get by. But if everyone would take a moment to re-read your typed thoughts, many of the 'ramblings' can be corrected to make sense. It's easy to spot a 'typing without thinking' posting. It usually has little to no focus or is heading off on a tangent to the topic at hand.

As to spelling, well that's a total different beast. If one can't spell very well, proof reading your posting isn't going to clean that up as it can't be helped. Just so long as the thought flows smooth enough for people to understand what it is the poster is trying to say, it should work just fine. Sometimes spelling mistakes can be entertaining :)

Gene W5DQ


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: K3WEC on February 09, 2012, 06:21:51 PM
If one wants to be critical of the jerk who sent you that email, one could point out that "proofread" is one word, not two.


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: MAGNUM257 on February 10, 2012, 01:46:06 PM
Hi Jackie,

I have no problem understanding your grammar or sentence structure.
Don't give up. Please stay with us.

Kind Regards

Fred EI4GMB

Ditto. No problem understanding.

Acocdrnig to an elgnsih unviesitry sutdy the oredr of letetrs in a wrod dosen’t mttaer, the olny thnig thta’s iopmrantt is that the frsit and lsat ltteer of eevry word is in the crcreot ptoision. The rset can be jmbueld and one is stlil able to raed the txet wiohtut dclftfuiiy.

They must have a brain problem if they cannot understand, and are a**holes if they cannot overlook a little bad grammar. So stick around...



Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: NO6L on February 11, 2012, 01:58:00 AM
I do a lot of posting here in a "smart phone" so I sometimes shoot myself in the grammatical foot and miss a post, like in this thread. I saw the email just now. My view is, without prejudice, whoever you are, you could have been considerably more diplomatic. Tell me, in a matter of speaking, do you treat rookie general class licensees like this when they ask for help deploying their first 75M dipole? No? Why not? At least be consistent.

Here's a thought, next time you encounter something similar, use some of that Amateur Radio spirit and offer to collaborate and help improve the submitted piece and give the person some suggestions on software to make their online life a little easier. That's what an Elmer would do, right?


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: K3WEC on February 11, 2012, 07:56:23 AM
Acocdrnig to an elgnsih unviesitry sutdy the oredr of letetrs in a wrod dosen’t mttaer, the olny thnig thta’s iopmrantt is that the frsit and lsat ltteer of eevry word is in the crcreot ptoision. The rset can be jmbueld and one is stlil able to raed the txet wiohtut dclftfuiiy.

Saw this a very long time ago and still think it's amazing...and true.


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: N6AJR on February 11, 2012, 11:13:26 AM
ahhhh soemoone who tpyes as bad as I do


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: KA5IPF on February 12, 2012, 08:31:29 AM
If you are that touchy about your grammar and spelling, go back to school. Most Junior Colleges offer basic English classes just for that type of problem. Just a thought.

Stupid is forever, ignorance can be cured.  GRIN

Clif


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: K1CJS on February 12, 2012, 07:17:51 PM
Quote
Acocdrnig to an elgnsih unviesitry sutdy the oredr of letetrs in a wrod dosen’t mttaer, the olny thnig thta’s iopmrantt is that the frsit and lsat ltteer of eevry word is in the crcreot ptoision. The rset can be jmbueld and one is stlil able to raed the txet wiohtut dclftfuiiy.

This was taken too far--it isn't as understandable as it was thought to be.  The original had two or three letters of each word switched around and was more understandable than this was.


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: EI4GMB on February 13, 2012, 11:12:23 AM
If you are that touchy about your grammar and spelling, go back to school. Most Junior Colleges offer basic English classes just for that type of problem. Just a thought.

Stupid is forever, ignorance can be cured.  GRIN

Clif

With respect. It wasn't the OP who was originally touchy about grammar and spelling but an inconsiderate ham who saw his review. For some people in this hobby English is not a first language. We must encourage not disparage those who do make the effort to converse with us. That is what true ham spirit and worldwide communication is all about!

73,

Fred EI4GMB


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: KG0DB on February 13, 2012, 06:52:53 PM
Guys,

 Sorry i hate to say i'm leaving eham ! i'm hurt all this because of my problem with  grammar and sentence structure,well hell duh  i can't help it i been that way for years ! i try my best to explain on ftm 350 radio.

And not going to post any more ! it killing me and this is 2nd email about  grammar and sentence problem !

Jackie
N4MJG
:-\


Just remember that there was only one guy who did everything right and they nailed him up on two boards.  And that applies to all those who pontificate about amateur radio with their high and mighty opinions.  And while I'm at it, opinions are like armpits.  Everyone has one or two and they all stink, theirs included. 


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: EI4GMB on February 14, 2012, 03:59:44 AM
Just remember that there was only one guy who did everything right and they nailed him up on two boards.  And that applies to all those who pontificate about amateur radio with their high and mighty opinions.  And while I'm at it, opinions are like armpits.  Everyone has one or two and they all stink, theirs included. 

Most Hams on this thread support Jackie and that's how it should be! ;)



Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: KI4SDY on February 16, 2012, 08:11:40 AM
Harassing someone over grammar is nothing more than on-line bullying by the self-appointed eHam.net experts that haunt this site. They are the result of having no  published rules that everyone can read and lack of fair and effective enforcement of those rules. eHam.net desperately needs moderator reform!  ;)

However, since we do not have any written rules and fair and effective enforcement of bad behavior, everyone has to stick up for themselves. This results in endless long-winded battles. If you can weather the storms, there are a lot of helpful hams, good information and things to be learned on this site.  :)

You have to keep in mind that the biggest grammar bullies make similar mistakes. One of the worst violators recently spelled people as "perple" (we are still not sure if he was talking about people or a color)." Strangely, he posted on this string trying to rationalize his continuous bad behavior.  ::)

For a good review of what is wrong with eHam.net, go to the Site Talk section and look up "Why my post was deleted." I have been able to change the behavior of a few of these folks. Some are just possessed by demons that only medication or a higher power can remove.  ;D


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: WB4LCN on February 16, 2012, 11:02:01 AM
If you in a touchy situation and are touchy about being touchy, then don't get touchy when someone else gets touchy. Just that I would touch on this. ;)

lololol


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: ONAIR on February 17, 2012, 01:03:29 AM
It never bothered me if a ham misspelled words.  Now when they mess up on the Q codes, that's another story altogether!!   :(


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: WA8MAX on February 21, 2012, 07:39:30 AM
 Do not worry abt them-Sure wish I could be an English grammer EXPERT :'(
   Just get your pointe across and do not worry abt the JERKS. GL

           Maxxwel
 


Title: RE: Leaving eham
Post by: KH6DC on February 22, 2012, 11:11:07 AM
Who cares about that individual and your grammer.  We got and understood your post and many offered comments and/or advice.  We got it and that's the main thing.