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Title: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: AB1PJ on February 13, 2012, 10:34:45 AM
Although the hamvention is 3 days, i wonder how many days should i plan on visiting?
Do i need all 3 days or is 2 days enough or is it just 1 day. I would like to cover the flea market as well.
Any suggestions?


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: KR4BD on February 13, 2012, 11:49:23 AM
If you are physically able, I think a full day with the inside exhibits and another full day outside at the flea market should do it.  The best day for the flea market is Friday.  By mid-day Saturday, the flea market is often "depleated" or wiped out.  If you like attending the many outstanding seminars, you might need all three days and still not see it all!  I've been attending since 1975 and fortunately, most of the vendors are usually located at the same places each year, so pre-planning your visit can help if you know the layout. 

Also, there are many seminars that I always try to attend so I work my activities around them.   

Final Note:  Wear comfortable shoes!


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: AB1PJ on February 13, 2012, 12:01:24 PM
Ok,
Fri> Flea Mkt
Sat> Seminars (weekend will be packed)
Sun> Floor

Where may i find a list of seminars?


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: KR4BD on February 13, 2012, 07:01:36 PM
You should keep an eye on the Dayton Hamvention website.  Not all the information is posted yet, but it will be frequently updated as we get closer.  The forums run all three days, so you will have to work around them, but as noted, the best day for the flea market is Friday.

Their website:

http://www.hamvention.org/

You should also book your hotel/motel early as the best places may already be filled.  Fortunately, one of my sons lives in suburban Dayton, so I have my lodging taken care of! 

The Hamvention is the largest event that regularly comes to Dayton each year, so it will be a busy place all weekend. 



Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: KS2G on February 13, 2012, 07:52:51 PM
If you can spare the time, take an extra day and tour the Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB"

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/

Worth a trip to Dayton just for that!

73,
Mel - KS2G




Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: W8JX on February 14, 2012, 05:18:43 AM
Sunday is kinda a wasted day unless you want to stay for drawing. I live near by so I go all three days but would not travel far to do 3 days. A lot of vendors pack up after Saturday inside and outside. I would say if you pick two days, Friday and Saturday. Drop off tickets for drawing and flea market friday and inside and flea market saturday


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: K3GM on February 14, 2012, 09:55:09 AM
This is the way I do it:

Friday I spend outside.  First a fast pass, then a more thorough pass.  I also sell, so when my feet begin to hurt, I go back and sell for a little while. Late Friday afternoon I might go inside to see specific vendors; the ones I want to ask questions of and/or purchase from.  It's sometimes really quiet, and the guys you want to talk to are just standing around.

Saturday: I go inside and carefully peruse the aisles, talk with the vendors.  A long lunch and maybe an afternoon siesta in the beach chair back at our selling spaces.

Sunday: We go back and haggle for a couple hours with the diehard tailgaters before heading home. "You really don't want to take that 200' spool of seven eights Heliax back home, do you?  Let me take it off your hands.  I'll give you a hundred bucks for it....."  You can get some remarkable bargains on Sunday morning.  

Keep in mind, there are some excellent lectures available, so you have to plan to fit them in as well.  It's a busy 3 days!


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: N3JJT on February 14, 2012, 04:54:57 PM
Well, think about this.  The flea market opens at 8 am, and the building opens at 9 am.  I do the first hour in the flea market, and if I am planning to buy anything new I do it first thing at 9, when the building opens.  Most of the time(not all the time) there are less people around on Friday, and a little easier to get around inside.  Buy new on Friday, especially if you are looking for specifics.  Not all vendors bring allot of stock with them.  Go with a plan in mind.  Then after that, I spend the rest of the day in the flea market.  Saturday I will do both.  Sunday I do not go.  This is a good plan as long as it does not rain.  Then everyone will try to get inside.  The Xyl has a cousin just outside of town, so that is where we stay.  I buy the bus pass and park at the mall, and take the bus back and forth from the gate to my car.

Hope you have fun!  73 de Scott


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: N9NRA on February 18, 2012, 01:33:53 PM
I would also recomend getting your tickets early (and online), i did that this year and the online site for getting tickets is realy good, got mine real fast too :).  Even though tickets probably won`t sell out, it`s a bit cheaper, ticket with a shuttle ticket is only $28 as opposed to somewhat over $30 of you get `em at the door, also better so ya don`t have to wait in line to get into the arena, which is a convienence.  73.  N9NRA  P.S.  As far as lodgings, the Dayton Tall Timbers KOA is really SWEET for a place to stay while you`re doing Hamvention, stayed there last year and it was totally stellar.


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: WA2ONH on February 18, 2012, 02:11:55 PM
Here's a write up by KE9V with tips for visiting Dayton

"Dayton Survival Guide" by Jeff Davis, KE9V

LINK: http://ke9v.net/articles/dayton-survival-guide.html

Wish I could join you. Enjoy!


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: W8AAZ on March 17, 2012, 04:40:23 PM
Better have some really really comfortable shoes. I mean, really walk miles all day and stand around shoes, or your feet will start to feel like hamburger by closing time.  There are simply not enough places for 20,000(+/-) hams to set down, at the same time.  And have at least a compact umbrella, and a hat/headgear that is protective of long sun exposure. That should cover both possibilities.  And maybe an insulated carrier for cold liquids. Especially if it is hot.  Maybe steel toes on your shoes/boots for inside displays, as people are crowding and walking over each other in a fashion that is usually seen in only in crowded countries in the urban center. ;)   


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: W8JX on March 18, 2012, 07:07:32 AM
I would suggest sun screen lotion if you plan to spend a lot of time in flea market and wx is nice as just a hat will not save you. Also in 30+ years of going to hamvention, I have been rained on, snowed on, seen blistering heat and cold biting wind, seen flea market flooded with raw sewage, and even have been pushed or shoved a few times in crowds but never had a foot stepped on.


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: K3GM on March 18, 2012, 10:05:36 AM
Yes, seeing the unfortunate fellow being levitated by a geyser of sewage, on the manhole cover that he was trying to hold down was a rare treat indeed.


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: W2MV on April 18, 2012, 11:10:20 AM
The past two times at Dayton, I was done by 3 PM on Friday and was a bit surprised by that.  First I do the outside area, then the inside. I remember when just attempting to finish the flea market by 6 PM/closing on Friday was a challenge. Now there are apparently more outside spaces than occupiers of those spaces, as well as parked cars who are there only to park and not sell...somewhat annoying.

In recent years I have never gone back on Saturday because there was no reason to.
It's possible I may "skim" the flea market more than some people do. I know hams who stop and look at every individual nut and bolt and I'm not one of them.

Some will probably tell me to slow down and "smell the roses" (or in this case burnt resistor) and that may be good advice.


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: W5KUB on April 19, 2012, 07:27:37 PM
 we are 2 weeks away from our live dayton hamvention broadcast.  For those of you that can not attend you can be there virtually by tuning in to our broadcast.

This will be our 10 th year to broadcast Dayton. Our viewers have grown to about 50,000 in over 150 countries during the last Hamvention broadcast.
Hamvention is May 18-20 but we actually go live at 1300 UTC Wed May 16th as we pull out of our driveway and broadcast the 550 mile drive live.
The video site is http://w5kub.com and we are on 365 days a year when not broadcasting a live ham event. Over the years we have had special guests on the broadcasts. We are looking for any special guests again this year. If you know someone please have them contact me. We would love to get them on the broadcast.
We have over $7000 in prizes to give out again this year to lucky viewers.  Some of our prizes are weather stations, Heil headsets, Comet CAA-500 antenna analyzers, AlphaAmp watt meters, D-star radios, yasue HTs, TenTec desk mics, G5RV antennas, and much more.  After hamvention, we will be broadcasting our 550 mile trip back to Memphis on Sunday afternoon.

 If you are in dayton please drop by and visit our broadcast. spaces are FE3407-3409  also please join our facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/279273778772594/


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: W9PMZ on April 21, 2012, 08:25:50 PM
"The past two times at Dayton, I was done by 3 PM on Friday and was a bit surprised by that.  "

1PM, when you go through the flea market, as I have done over the past 35 years, junk is junk with some intersting tid bits in between.  Really, there should be people charging carbon taxes at the gate for continually wasting gas to bring the same junk that has been there since I started going... :)

Inside, other that the free hats I really have not seen anything discounted that I had to have that I could not get over the internet/phone where you could potentially get free shipping and evade the ever menecing tax man.  But it is intersting to check out new ideas and products.

73,

Carl - W9PMZ


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: 73BRAHMA on April 30, 2012, 06:25:17 PM
I will be 50 this year, and I started going to Dayton with my dad when I was 8.  I probably have missed maybe 20 of them in my life since- if that.  Here is a proven strategy;

1. If you aren't selling outside, forget Fridays.  Most outside sellers aren't fully setup by Friday.  Inside exhibtors are, but aren't staffed fully, or are still getting their ducks in a row. NO ONE is NEAR ready to deal.
2. Saturday is when it happens!  Get there EARLY, preferably early enough to have breakfast in the Dayton area to unwind from your road trip, but get to Hara with enough time to park and be at the gate WHEN IT OPENS.  The crowds will be low, the traffic wil be low, and most ouside folks are ready to roll, and inside too.  But still, NO ONE will be ready to deal.
3. Start outside, and power walk the middle of the rows making notes of items of interest.  It's early, people aren't dealing, and you can formulate your plan for the interesting stuff.
4.  After that, head inside.  It's hard to power-walk inside, but later it will be MUCH worse.  Go to the smaller vndors first, then the big MFR's in the middle.
5. Time to go back outside, starting with the highest priorty items you saw.  Deal as necessary, but be willing to walk away.
6.  After that, it might be time to go to get a brat outside and /or a beer.  Historically, I think the "best" food has been outside, and less of a crowd.  MUCH less.  Better air too.
7. Hit the lowest priorty items you saw, worknig toward the highest priority, to give them time to get dejected about taking the stuff back home to the nagging wife and the over-flowing garage.
8. Repeat 5 through 7 above as necessary.

Notes:

1. Pray for good weather.  Rain dampens everything.  One of the funniest things I EVER saw at Dayton is someone had the bright idea to "leaflet" the outside areas by a Cessna.  The problem was they did it in the rain.  The "leaflets" stuck together on the way down in telephone book-sized clumps of leaflets and went crashing throgh tents, thumped cars and broke antenna masts with everyone running and screaming.  Also, there is no place to sit or hide outside in the rain, which makes the inside VERY crowded, almost to the point the air is fouled.
2.  Don't waste your time returning time and time again to outside sellers that choose to set up stuff to sell, then cover it and never return.  These people are idiots, and there are always more than a few.
3. Bring at least a small backpack or shoulder satchel to carry stuff.  Keep a small foldup handtruck in your car in case you find something really heavy that you can't pass up.  Don't be a hero and carry something all day- take it out to your car and return.
4.  Don't forget cash, and bring small bills only- It's easy to deal that way and hard for the seller to round up.
5. Don't mind th crowds- that's what makes Dayton an event- the above tis make it more manageable.


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: W8JX on May 01, 2012, 02:17:37 PM
1. If you aren't selling outside, forget Fridays.  Most outside sellers aren't fully setup by Friday.  Inside exhibtors are, but aren't staffed fully, or are still getting their ducks in a row. NO ONE is NEAR ready to deal.

I totally disagree. Friday is the best day for Flea Market. Everyone is setup and a lot pack up and leave before end of day Saturday. You snooze you will loose here.  I have found my best deals there Friday and sometimes Sunday with vendors that do all three days.

2. Saturday is when it happens!  Get there EARLY, preferably early enough to have breakfast in the Dayton area to unwind from your road trip, but get to Hara with enough time to park and be at the gate WHEN IT OPENS.  The crowds will be low, the traffic wil be low, and most ouside folks are ready to roll, and inside too.  But still, NO ONE will be ready to deal.

No need to be there at open bell. It is easier to get in and get a bus if you get there about a 1/2 to 1 hr AFTER they open. On deals, do not bet on it. In flea market some vendors just want to dumb stuff ASAP and go home.

3. Start outside, and power walk the middle of the rows making notes of items of interest.  It's early, people aren't dealing, and you can formulate your plan for the interesting stuff.

Again a disagree. When you run flea market first do not race through. You can miss a lot. (I got a TS-140 once on a Friday for 150 bucks at a small out of the way place in lot.) I do it row by row and take time to look it all over. When I find something of merit I mark location on GPS and I am able to return accurately if I want to buy it later.   

4.  After that, head inside.  It's hard to power-walk inside, but later it will be MUCH worse.  Go to the smaller vndors first, then the big MFR's in the middle.

Inside is no where as good as it used to be and traffic is not bad unless it is raining.

5. Time to go back outside, starting with the highest priorty items you saw.  Deal as necessary, but be willing to walk away.

I would finish outside side and take as long as needed before worrying about inside first day. You snooze on a deal in flea market you can loose.

6.  After that, it might be time to go to get a brat outside and /or a beer.  Historically, I think the "best" food has been outside, and less of a crowd.  MUCH less.  Better air too.

I always pack in a few cold drinks and snacks/food.

7. Hit the lowest priorty items you saw, worknig toward the highest priority, to give them time to get dejected about taking the stuff back home to the nagging wife and the over-flowing garage.

Basically the stuff that lingers in Flea Market is Junk or is over priced.

1. Pray for good weather.  

Weather is not a big problem since they moved it from April to May. Seen some wicked weather there in April.

3. Bring at least a small backpack or shoulder satchel to carry stuff.  Keep a small foldup handtruck in your car in case you find something really heavy that you can't pass up.  Don't be a hero and carry something all day- take it out to your car and return

I have a backpack strapped to a small rubber tired dolly that has a umbrella stored on it too. I bring duck tape and bungee straps to secure thing to cart when needed.

.
4.  Don't forget cash, and bring small bills only- It's easy to deal that way and hard for the seller to round up.

Bring large and small. Most vendor like big bills for big ticket items (easier to count their cash) and two single hundred dollar bills can be more persuasive than 10 20's at time. The big bill intimidation factor.

5. Don't mind th crowds- that's what makes Dayton an event- the above tis make it more manageable.

Big crowds are not really much of a problem these days. Attendance has been falling for years.


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: KC9AXZ on May 01, 2012, 02:26:12 PM
As a outdoor seller I always suggest taking time to look around. You will find some good steals outside. The indoor vendors usually have a large inventory, that will still have the item you need on Sunday. The outdoor vendors are a mix of junk and brand new items. You will find what you need among the outdoor vendors. The indoor vendors also have a few great deals to be found also. Some of the big retail stores will be running deals on the latest and greatest equipment.

You will need good shoes to attend! If you don't have good shoes you will find out quickly. You should have a backpack to carry your finds. In that backpack I also suggest sunscreen and a rain coat as well has a half roll of TP. The porta pits are usually well taken care of but you don't want a suprise either. You should also consider carrying around a few bottles of drinking water. The food lines can get long and you may spend a bit of money there.

Take the bus! Buying the bus ticket and parking away from the fest is the greatest deal. The ticket is cheap for the weekend. The parking at the bus stop is free. The buses run constantly to and from the fest. If you have a large item you can always come and pick it up in person.

Watch for the outside fest gatherings! Meet up with like minded hams for fun, food, and discussion in other places around town. Many groups of people will meet up after the fest closes for discussion and fun at hotels and resturaunts around town.


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: 73BRAHMA on May 01, 2012, 07:48:46 PM
I would agree to disagree.

1. If you aren't selling outside, forget Fridays.  Most outside sellers aren't fully setup by Friday.  Inside exhibtors are, but aren't staffed fully, or are still getting their ducks in a row. NO ONE is NEAR ready to deal.

I totally disagree. Friday is the best day for Flea Market. Everyone is setup and a lot pack up and leave before end of day Saturday. You snooze you will loose here.  I have found my best deals there Friday and sometimes Sunday with vendors that do all three days.

2. Saturday is when it happens!  Get there EARLY, preferably early enough to have breakfast in the Dayton area to unwind from your road trip, but get to Hara with enough time to park and be at the gate WHEN IT OPENS.  The crowds will be low, the traffic wil be low, and most ouside folks are ready to roll, and inside too.  But still, NO ONE will be ready to deal.

No need to be there at open bell. It is easier to get in and get a bus if you get there about a 1/2 to 1 hr AFTER they open. On deals, do not bet on it. In flea market some vendors just want to dumb stuff ASAP and go home.

3. Start outside, and power walk the middle of the rows making notes of items of interest.  It's early, people aren't dealing, and you can formulate your plan for the interesting stuff.

Again a disagree. When you run flea market first do not race through. You can miss a lot. (I got a TS-140 once on a Friday for 150 bucks at a small out of the way place in lot.) I do it row by row and take time to look it all over. When I find something of merit I mark location on GPS and I am able to return accurately if I want to buy it later.   

4.  After that, head inside.  It's hard to power-walk inside, but later it will be MUCH worse.  Go to the smaller vndors first, then the big MFR's in the middle.

Inside is no where as good as it used to be and traffic is not bad unless it is raining.

5. Time to go back outside, starting with the highest priorty items you saw.  Deal as necessary, but be willing to walk away.

I would finish outside side and take as long as needed before worrying about inside first day. You snooze on a deal in flea market you can loose.

6.  After that, it might be time to go to get a brat outside and /or a beer.  Historically, I think the "best" food has been outside, and less of a crowd.  MUCH less.  Better air too.

I always pack in a few cold drinks and snacks/food.

7. Hit the lowest priorty items you saw, worknig toward the highest priority, to give them time to get dejected about taking the stuff back home to the nagging wife and the over-flowing garage.

Basically the stuff that lingers in Flea Market is Junk or is over priced.

1. Pray for good weather.  

Weather is not a big problem since they moved it from April to May. Seen some wicked weather there in April.

3. Bring at least a small backpack or shoulder satchel to carry stuff.  Keep a small foldup handtruck in your car in case you find something really heavy that you can't pass up.  Don't be a hero and carry something all day- take it out to your car and return

I have a backpack strapped to a small rubber tired dolly that has a umbrella stored on it too. I bring duck tape and bungee straps to secure thing to cart when needed.

.
4.  Don't forget cash, and bring small bills only- It's easy to deal that way and hard for the seller to round up.

Bring large and small. Most vendor like big bills for big ticket items (easier to count their cash) and two single hundred dollar bills can be more persuasive than 10 20's at time. The big bill intimidation factor.

5. Don't mind th crowds- that's what makes Dayton an event- the above tis make it more manageable.

Big crowds are not really much of a problem these days. Attendance has been falling for years.


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: K3GM on May 02, 2012, 04:52:55 AM
1. If you aren't selling outside, forget Fridays.  Most outside sellers aren't fully setup by Friday.  Inside exhibtors are, but aren't staffed fully, or are still getting their ducks in a row. NO ONE is NEAR ready to deal.

I totally disagree. Friday is the best day for Flea Market. Everyone is setup and a lot pack up and leave before end of day Saturday. You snooze you will loose here.  I have found my best deals there Friday and sometimes Sunday with vendors that do all three days.

I agree.  Friday is thee day for flea market finds.  Perhaps not the best deals, but you need to snap it up before it's gone.  As a seller, I can also make some early rounds after setting up, but before the gates open.

Years ago, Hamvention use to be a nearly full three day event.  Many fleamarket vendors returned for Sunday.  Now, Sunday's are a ghost town outside with a few diehards, and big items remaining.  Like I mentioned earlier,  200' spools of 7/8" Heliax, ancient 19" racks, things that you can't easily load into your backpack are what you'll see a lot of on Sunday.  In fact, I think vendors have come to realize that it's hard to sell sections of tower, big partially assembled antennas, and spool ends of transmission line to the masses only because the buyer has no way to haul it away.  Most of the action on the last day is inside purchasing of last minute items.  Personally, I've never stayed beyond 11AM with 600 miles of driving ahead of us.  If we do Sunday, it's usually a rush thru for a couple of hours, and then hit the road.

My hope for 2012 is good weather, and no "S"-storms flooding the parking lot.  We're uphill anyway, and that's a good place to be when the manhole cover blows.



Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: W2MV on May 02, 2012, 12:31:11 PM
If the WX forecast is for probable, long-duration rain, then I'll simply not go. Why spend all that time and $$, etc. to have to stay inside and have the flea market be a washout?

As others have mentioned, and as I have found out from experience, the following items would be good to bring with you:
- A backpack to free up your hands  from having to carry around what you've purchased.
- Sun screen! A "boonie" hat will help too if it's sunny.
- A rain poncho or small umbrella.
- A drink and snacks packed in your backpack.
- Money.
- Antacid tablets.


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: W8JX on May 02, 2012, 03:09:26 PM
If the WX forecast is for probable, long-duration rain, then I'll simply not go. Why spend all that time and $$, etc. to have to stay inside and have the flea market be a washout?

As others have mentioned, and as I have found out from experience, the following items would be good to bring with you:
- A backpack to free up your hands  from having to carry around what you've purchased.
- Sun screen! A "boonie" hat will help too if it's sunny.
- A rain poncho or small umbrella.
- A drink and snacks packed in your backpack.
- Money.
- Antacid tablets.

Well if you plan to spend a lot of time in flea market, you want some sun screen lotion too.


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: N4UE on May 03, 2012, 10:48:41 AM
Hi, does anyone have any idea what Kenwood's 'new radio' will be like???

ron
N4UE


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: N4UE on May 10, 2012, 09:18:01 AM
Not a 'secret' any longer. The TS-990S is on the back cover of the June QST. If it performs as nice as it looks, Kwood will have a winner.....

ron
N4UE


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: G3RZP on May 15, 2012, 04:22:16 AM
Forecast is possible T storms Saturday, Sunday and Monday.


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: K3GM on May 15, 2012, 07:20:56 AM
Accuweather does not show any TSTMS for Friday or Saturday.  Either way, it's going to be very warm; low 80's.  Pack shorts!  See you there!


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: G3RZP on May 15, 2012, 07:31:04 AM
An umbrella might be a wise precaution.....


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: W8JX on May 15, 2012, 05:12:14 PM
Only thing you are going to need is some sun screen.


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: K3GM on May 15, 2012, 05:44:42 PM
An umbrella might be a wise precaution.....
You can leave that home this year.

Only thing you are going to need is some sun screen.
Yup!


Title: RE: Dayton Hamvention 2012
Post by: W8AAZ on May 15, 2012, 07:33:48 PM
It is hard to keep from skimming the flea market looking for that up-front steal-of-a-deal,  before some other fortunate flops out the green and merrily toddles away with your dream thinggee for chump change. But then you make a second pass, especially for odds and ends.  Many times I have found something wonderful in that little box hidden under the piles of junk, or in the bottom of a misc parts box.  Stuff from basements and garages that you cannot find anywhere anymore. But that is hit or miss of course.  If it was totally as bad as some say, I am too old to bother with such grief and would not be going back.  Make no mistake there will be some grief but it is part of Dayton survival. Return home head held high with your battle scars and victory trophies.