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Title: Kenwood TS-480sat - can it be remote controlled via HT?
Post by: WD8OQX on February 21, 2012, 02:20:10 PM
I want to know if I can control this radio using another radio (like an HT) OVER THE AIR...
As an example, say I have the kenwood in a car & I am in a park. I use my HT away from the car to control the Kenwood & make contacts. (or at least try to)

I know it can via internet, so it seems to me that it should be possible but "google" brought up nothing. So if this IS possible, what does it take?

If it's already been discussed HERE, I didn't see it & would appreciate being pointed to it.

73 & TNX
Tim


Title: RE: Kenwood TS-480sat - can it be remote controlled via HT?
Post by: KG4RUL on February 21, 2012, 09:30:38 PM
No, this is not possible with the TS-480 SAT.  The closest that you can come to this capability is controlling a Kenwood TS-2000 using Skycommand II with a Kenwood TH-D7A HT.


Title: RE: Kenwood TS-480sat - can it be remote controlled via HT?
Post by: WD8OQX on February 21, 2012, 10:11:41 PM
OK - tnx.  ;)

I CAN believe that no-one has done it yet, but I just can't fathom the notion that it flat out CAN'T be done. It still seems like there ought to be a way. Finding it, is the issue.  :(
But you are most likely, probably right! (it's a shame really, that these radios DON'T easily do this)  >:(


Title: RE: Kenwood TS-480sat - can it be remote controlled via HT?
Post by: KG4RUL on February 22, 2012, 05:42:40 AM
(it's a shame really, that these radios DON'T easily do this)  >:(

Mainly because the market for such functionality is VERY limited and it adds substantially to the cost. 

To be able to "remote control" a radio, the FCC requires that function to be done on the 220MHz band or above so you now need a suitable VHF/UHF transceiver and additional computer logic built into the HF rig - $$.  Also, you now need a VHF/UHF antenna in addition to your HF antenna(s).  Your HT would also need additional functionality built-in - $$. 

To date, the only company that has jumped through the FCC hoops, and this was a long, drawn out process for them, is Kenwood.  And the only radios that they have added this functionality to is the TS2000/TH-D7A combo.


Title: RE: Kenwood TS-480sat - can it be remote controlled via HT?
Post by: W8JX on February 22, 2012, 10:47:17 AM
No, this is not possible with the TS-480 SAT.  The closest that you can come to this capability is controlling a Kenwood TS-2000 using Skycommand II with a Kenwood TH-D7A HT.

Not exactly. You can use a Kenwood dual band mobile connected to it. They make cables for this too. The 480 has same sky commander firmware as 2000, it just lacks the VHF/UHF transceiver which can be added.


Title: RE: Kenwood TS-480sat - can it be remote controlled via HT?
Post by: WD8OQX on February 22, 2012, 10:50:21 AM
(it's a shame really, that these radios DON'T easily do this)  >:(

Mainly because the market for such functionality is VERY limited and it adds substantially to the cost.  

To be able to "remote control" a radio, the FCC requires that function to be done on the 220MHz band or above so you now need a suitable VHF/UHF transceiver and additional computer logic built into the HF rig - $$.  Also, you now need a VHF/UHF antenna in addition to your HF antenna(s).  Your HT would also need additional functionality built-in - $$.  

To date, the only company that has jumped through the FCC hoops, and this was a long, drawn out process for them, is Kenwood.  And the only radios that they have added this functionality to is the TS2000/TH-D7A combo.

I wasn't referring to it all being built in, just that the necessary hookups & possibly control (such as freq - I think this can be done with a Touch Tone decoder) be in place, since they are already doing it for IP. Then one can "add" the rest, if he wanted. (being just the "HT's" to link) Additional cost to the HF radio would be the TT & maybe a jack. (this radio has a voice synth. that would give feedback as to the freq. & such)

And unless I'm missing something here the control would already be in the HF radio to control it for the IP, so all they would need to do is provide a way for the "HT" to communicate with it, & I think the "TT" would do that.

The only drawback I see to doing this AS IS, would be to get the TT tones into the radios controller. If I could lick THAT (w/o aid of a computer) then this would be a GO.

I know I can do all this WITH the computer, (had it all planned out a good while back with another HF radio) but the more I can eliminate from it, the simpler & better it would be. Taking up less room & lowering the cost.

Thanks - you at least have me thinking - not sure if it flawed but I'm thinking!


W8JX
Thanks - that MAY be the missing key - I'll check that out. (we posted at the same time)


Title: RE: Kenwood TS-480sat - can it be remote controlled via HT?
Post by: WD8OQX on February 22, 2012, 11:16:19 AM
Yep, that sky command would definitely work, but for ME, it's to COSTLY! For that money, I could use a netbook computer & two low cost HT's, at about 1/2 the cost. Or get a smartphone & use the IP.


Title: RE: Kenwood TS-480sat - can it be remote controlled via HT?
Post by: W8JX on February 22, 2012, 11:51:58 AM
Yep, that sky command would definitely work, but for ME, it's to COSTLY! For that money, I could use a netbook computer & two low cost HT's, at about 1/2 the cost. Or get a smartphone & use the IP.

I am not sure how you figure a few HT's and a netbook computer is a cheaper, better way to go. If you get right HT and Dual band mobile it is plug and play with 480.


Title: RE: Kenwood TS-480sat - can it be remote controlled via HT?
Post by: WD8OQX on February 22, 2012, 12:18:36 PM
I didn't say it was BETTER, only cost less, & I see where the smartphone approach would cost too.

The HT is ~$500
The mobile is ~ $550
That is $1050
(based on prices from Universal Radio)

nB is less than $300
Two low cost HT's is less than $200 (~$100 each can be had, especially used)
That is less than $500


Title: RE: Kenwood TS-480sat - can it be remote controlled via HT?
Post by: W8JX on February 22, 2012, 02:48:15 PM
I didn't say it was BETTER, only cost less, & I see where the smartphone approach would cost too.

The HT is ~$500
The mobile is ~ $550
That is $1050
(based on prices from Universal Radio)

nB is less than $300
Two low cost HT's is less than $200 (~$100 each can be had, especially used)
That is less than $500

And why not just getting a few used TH D7's for under 500 bucks too?


Title: RE: Kenwood TS-480sat - can it be remote controlled via HT?
Post by: WD8OQX on February 22, 2012, 05:53:15 PM
Well for now it is just wishful thinking or a novelty as I wasn't even sure about it being possible. I also see that "novelty" wearing off to quick to warrant the investment, regardless of HOW I did it. But at least now I know what it would take, & that is what I was REALLY after.

 8)   ;D

73


Title: RE: Kenwood TS-480sat - can it be remote controlled via HT?
Post by: W8JX on February 22, 2012, 07:07:39 PM
Well for now it is just wishful thinking or a novelty as I wasn't even sure about it being possible. I also see that "novelty" wearing off to quick to warrant the investment, regardless of HOW I did it. But at least now I know what it would take, & that is what I was REALLY after.

 8)   ;D

73

And for 500 you can get a remote kit that will hook body to internet without a computer and use head connected to its own adapter anywhere there is Internet and head acts like it is attached to radio.


Title: RE: Kenwood TS-480sat - can it be remote controlled via HT?
Post by: WD8OQX on February 22, 2012, 09:11:51 PM
Curious, I wonder if cat 5 cables can be used in place of pg-4z cables? (they look like cat 5 with a snap-on bead)

It seems to me that one should be able to make these themselves but I don't see where anyone has done it.


Title: RE: Kenwood TS-480sat - can it be remote controlled via HT?
Post by: K4LIX on February 23, 2012, 06:57:30 PM
Look at eBay auction 260913299587 - a plug-n-play "unit' for the TS-480
using only your cell phone.

73 de Jim K4LIX


Title: RE: Kenwood TS-480sat - can it be remote controlled via HT?
Post by: WD8OQX on February 23, 2012, 09:35:12 PM
Thanks - even though I don't like (or trust) ebay, this sounds promising!!!
 :D   ;)   8)

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Does anyone know of making the [extension] cables, though?


Title: RE: Kenwood TS-480sat - can it be remote controlled via HT?
Post by: WD8OQX on February 23, 2012, 11:30:54 PM
I did some research into that device & not only will it work with a phone, but it will work with an HT. So here is exactly what I was talking about. Only problem is, it cost a bit more than I'd like! But it's still a solution.
(now if it actually works - ebay, you know)
???


Title: RE: Kenwood TS-480sat - can it be remote controlled via HT?
Post by: KE5DFK on March 05, 2012, 12:58:05 PM
It can be done.  Look at pg 73 of the manual.  This is right out of pg 73.

SKY COMMAND II (K-TYPE ONLY)
The Sky Command II allows you to remotely control the TS-480HX/ SAT transceiver from a separate location.  If you have more than 2 TH-D7A and/ or TM-D700A transceivers, you can perform Sky Command II operation to remotely control the HF/ 50 MHz band of your TS-480 transceiver.

You will use one transceiver (TH-D7A or TM-D700A) as a remote control unit, called a “Commander”. The other VHF/ UHF transceiver (TH-D7A or TM-D700A) with the TS-480 transceiver is called the
“Transporter”. This TH-D7A or TM-D700A transceiver will function as an interface between the Commander (a remote control unit) and the HF/ 50 MHz band of the TS-480 transceiver.

This system allows you, for example, to watch for and hunt DX while washing your car, or to operate the HF transceiver while relaxing in your car, living room, or patio, instead of actually operating inside your shack.

Carlos
KE5DFK


Title: RE: Kenwood TS-480sat - can it be remote controlled via HT?
Post by: KB9TMP on July 01, 2012, 06:42:31 AM
Thanks - even though I don't like (or trust) ebay, this sounds promising!!!
 :D   ;)   8)

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Does anyone know of making the [extension] cables, though?

Right here in the eHam forums: http://www.eham.net/articles/11471 (http://www.eham.net/articles/11471)

73 KB9TMP