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Title: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: KK4CPH on May 20, 2012, 10:10:43 AM
Another reason why there's more junk at hamfests.
A google search brings up some great stuff.  Found this on a satellite forum from people looking to unload their "crap."
http://forums.satforums.com/SatForumMaster/index.php?msg=24071.1 (http://forums.satforums.com/SatForumMaster/index.php?msg=24071.1)
And how about this quote from the original poster:
Quote
We always knew hams are full of crap and busted the plumbing.
Load up all your garbage and come to hamfest.  Set up next to the tables with beef jerky and toys.   >:(


Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: K9MHZ on May 21, 2012, 05:51:31 AM
Another reason why there's more junk at hamfests.
A google search brings up some great stuff.  Found this on a satellite forum from people looking to unload their "crap."
http://forums.satforums.com/SatForumMaster/index.php?msg=24071.1 (http://forums.satforums.com/SatForumMaster/index.php?msg=24071.1)
Load up all your garbage and come to hamfest.  Set up next to the tables with beef jerky and toys.   >:(

Useless password-only link.

There's one reason why "crap" gets brought to hamfests.....someone is buying it.  In the 80's, when the PC boom started, the horror of seeing computers and computer parts being sold at hamfests was enough for some to declare the "end of the hobby."  Some hamfest host clubs even had a list of unacceptable items for sale, including computers.  Those horrible high-tech gizmos just didn't belong in ham radio, apparently.  Other hamfest Nazis would establish a maximum percentage of non-ham items that you could have on your table.......never mind the fact that ham gear was usually the first to get sold in the morning and the evil computer gear or whatever took much longer to sell....all the while your non-ham items percentage was way-up.  When packet hit in a big way, the "computer-free hobby" goobers were silenced for good.  Now, any new HF rig is essentially a computer with an RF deck.....and SDR, oh the horror of it all.

Point is....if someone is selling beef jerky, tie-dye t-shirts, or Chinese hand tools, someone else is buying it.  The market dictates which sellers will return for the next event, and trying to regulate content doesn't work.  Seeing all of the dumpster-quality Tempo Ones and Heathkits at Dayton this year made me wonder if my time might have been better spent looking for a new socket wrench set.



Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: G3RZP on May 28, 2012, 04:18:21 AM
Some strictly 'non ham' stuff is useful, such as tools - I got a very nice Mitutoyo vernier height gauge the other year at Dayton for $15. This year some cheap carbide end mills, still with the plastic dip on them that manufacturers pack them with.

It's a moot point as to where things useful to the ham who rolls his own stop being ham radio. Ornaments, toys, old gramophone records and non-radio books are just some of the items I'd ban. Plus the computer junk. But even then, what about modern computer controlled test gear?


Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: K9MHZ on May 31, 2012, 06:17:10 PM
Yeah, too hard to police, and who's the final say-so, especially after someone has paid a seller's fee?

Mileages vary, but I think it's actually gotten a bit better in recent years, as the racks of software disks full of everything from kids games to hard core porn have disappeared.  Also, people aren't as fascinated with old computer parts as they once were.  The pulled Motorola gear is ever-present.  Great if it's useful for 440 or 900 MHz, but the 800 MHz gear or other freqs useless to hams, gets old sifting through.



Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: KK4CPH on June 02, 2012, 08:11:58 AM
Yeah, too hard to police, and who's the final say-so, especially after someone has paid a seller's fee?

Whoever the event organizer is.  They could just go thru the show and if someone is selling quilts, bird feeders, subwoofers, etc. then refund their money and have them pack it up.  I don't go to a computer show and expect to find an antenna or a tower.  When I see someone with a table of 8-tracks, turntables, and old cell phones, I ask them "Did you sell all your ham equipment already?"   ::)


Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: WN2C on June 04, 2012, 11:06:01 AM
Considering clubs make some and maybe most of their money by holding the annual hamfest, why would you want to limit what could be sold? That vendor selling tools or LED lighting or other stuff (but not radio related) is still paying for his spot in the parking lot.  Besides, it may save you the extra trip to Home Depot later in the day for that whatchamacallit or whodigit that you need.

73 de wn2c  Rick



p.s
who would have thunk it
whatchamacallit was in the spell checker!!?


Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: K9MHZ on June 05, 2012, 06:41:51 PM
Yeah, too hard to police, and who's the final say-so, especially after someone has paid a seller's fee?

Whoever the event organizer is.  They could just go thru the show and if someone is selling quilts, bird feeders, subwoofers, etc. then refund their money and have them pack it up.  I don't go to a computer show and expect to find an antenna or a tower.  When I see someone with a table of 8-tracks, turntables, and old cell phones, I ask them "Did you sell all your ham equipment already?"   ::)

Haven't seen those items for sale here.....maybe it's different in Texas.  Local hamfests are typically shoestring endeavors...having "event organizers" police content will sink many of those hamfests quickly. 

Again, I'm just not seeing so much of that stuff.  Makes me wonder if this is one of those non-issue issues on the web.

Whatever.



Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: KA3NXN on June 07, 2012, 08:19:52 AM
Wanna buy a Bonsai tree? There was a guy at our last hamfest that rented 4 tables to sell Bonsai trees.

Oh well, I guess it's better that the guys that used to sell porn CD's & DVD's at the Tampa hamfest  back in the 90's

Jaime-KA3NXN


Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: K9MHZ on June 07, 2012, 09:51:18 AM
........When I see someone with a table of 8-tracks.....   ::)

This makes the BS meter peg.....those things deteriorated in 6 months back in the 70's.



Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: W4KVW on June 27, 2012, 04:06:23 PM
LOTS of CB radios & CB amplifiers at ORLANDO "HAMCATION" every year.I collect old CB radios & D-104's & usually come home with one or two of each if the price is right.I collect ONLY the LEGAL CB's & NOT those so called 10 meter rigs that you hear all over the 10 meter band with their Roger Beeps & Echo Boards.Flashlight are a big item also but everyone needs a flashlight & it's why those new Chinese HT's all have one built in right? {:>)

Clayton
W4KVW


Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: K1CJS on July 21, 2012, 08:02:51 AM
Who really cares?  If you don't see what you're looking for at a table, or if the stuff just isn't interesting to you, walk past it.  The seller paid the club for the space--benefitting the club--and if you aren't interested in it, someone else may well be.  Also, your XYL and/or family members may be interested in those things.  Hamfests are supposed to be FAMILY events, aren't they?  

Police the bands--not the auxiliary functions of the club!


Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: W7VO on July 25, 2012, 02:55:59 PM
I fully agree with the guys that say that "if they paid for the space, let them sell!" Most clubs use hamfests as a fundraiser, and denying them the chance to earn some money to operate seems fair enough. What would you rather see, an empty table?

Who pays money to go to ham swap full of empty tables?  :o

Mike, W7VO


Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: KC9GMX on July 26, 2012, 02:53:16 AM
Then stop calling them "hamfests".
If anything and everything can be sold, then that is a flea market. Call it that. Then you wont confuse the "non-ham" people who drive by. They wont stop at a hamfest, because they like to eat chicken instead. But most people know that you can buy other peoples crap at a good ol' fashioned flea market.

And if a club is trying to do a fund raiser, why are they also selling Krispy Kream donuts? They have a fund raiser program for clubs and organizations.
Also, here in my area, one of the best ways for a group to raise funds with with a road side pork burger sale. Do it on a Saturday afternoon, and if people know its for a good cause, its nothing for groups to make $1000 in 4 hours of making a selling pork burgers.

Steven


Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: K1CJS on July 26, 2012, 04:07:09 AM
Then stop calling them "hamfests".
If anything and everything can be sold, then that is a flea market. Call it that....

If the principle reason behind the event is the sale of ham gear--no matter how much there is, 10% or 90%--and the event organizer is a ham radio club and the event is to benefit that club, then why not call it a hamfest?  That is what it is.  

The ham radio hobby has become a widely varied hobby today with computers and other ancillary equipment.  If that equipment--computers, monitors, knicknacks and other stuff, even refrigerators, microwaves and other furnishings that could find a home in a hamshack, then why not sell them at a hamfest?  Yes, even plants and other things that a lady ham could want in her hamshack.  And yes, even things that are meant for other ares in a home--even a refrigerator dressed up like a high powered transmitter, such as in a video that was linked to on this site.

Honestly, some people are too literal minded--no, let's get it right--too focused on being politically correct, that they take the joy out of ANYTHING for other people.

If you don't want to see anything else at a hamfest but ham gear, when you do--turn around and leave.  Let the rest of us enjoy the day at the hamfest/flea market/junk sale/whatever you may call it.  Go be politically correct somewhere else!  


Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: NO2A on July 29, 2012, 05:06:26 PM
I guess I`m in the minority here,but I like seeing ham related equipment. I don`t mind if it`s tubes,crystals,connecters,etc. The last hamfest I attended had about 4 actual usable ham items. They were,a like new TS-450S,an SB-1000 with spare 3-500Z,and an HW-8 in great shape. The rest of the tables I saw were,cb`s,cb amps,old phones,military radios,toys,stereos,dvd players,dvd`s, books,microwaves,toasters,etc. Nobody said you had to have empty tables,but why not fill them all with ham items and let the person with the old TS-820S have a table instead of the guy selling tee shirts.


Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: KC9GMX on July 30, 2012, 08:57:48 PM
If the principle reason behind the event is the sale of ham gear--no matter how much there is, 10% or 90%--and the event organizer is a ham radio club and the event is to benefit that club, then why not call it a hamfest?  That is what it is.  
 
If I spent a ton of gas money, take a day off of work, drive over an hour, and get to a "hamfest" with 10% ham related items, you can be sure that I am going to be pi**ed off.
I dont go to a hamfest so the sponsoring club can make money. If they need my money that bad, I will be happy to mail them a yearly donation of whatever the admission price to their "hamfest" is. But dont waist my time and money because they wanted to sell table spots and make the event "look full and busy".


Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: KC0SHZ on August 01, 2012, 09:08:15 AM
If the principle reason behind the event is the sale of ham gear--no matter how much there is, 10% or 90%--and the event organizer is a ham radio club and the event is to benefit that club, then why not call it a hamfest?  That is what it is.  
 
If I spent a ton of gas money, take a day off of work, drive over an hour, and get to a "hamfest" with 10% ham related items, you can be sure that I am going to be pi**ed off.
I dont go to a hamfest so the sponsoring club can make money. If they need my money that bad, I will be happy to mail them a yearly donation of whatever the admission price to their "hamfest" is. But dont waist my time and money because they wanted to sell table spots and make the event "look full and busy".

Frankly, I would agree with this.


Hamfests taht have related material don't bother me.  Ones that have lots of things that don't pertain do.  The current biggest offenders though are the ham seller that don't get that old doesn't always mean antique.  If I need a dual band VHF/UHF radio for some side project, I don't want to pay brand new prices, thus me shopping for one at a hamfest.  I never can get over the idea that people expect us to pay near new prices for rigs that are 10 years old and have no warranty or repairability.


Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: N9AOP on August 05, 2012, 08:43:52 AM
You don't go to the hamfest so that the sponsoring club can make money?  Are you nuts?
If our local clubs didn't allow all types of sales, the events would not support themselves.
Admission tickets do raise some $ but increasingly I hear (especially from the YL's) that
craft show admission is usually free, 'why do you guys charge'?  Craft shows do make money
and usually they make more on a per head basis than most hamfests.  Perhaps their audience
is more inclined to spend.  Then there is also the thought that E-Bay has replaced the hamfest.
At least at the hamfest you can see and touch what you are buying.  But E-Bay has the advantage
of making every day a hamfest to the vendor.
Art, N9AOP


Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: K1CJS on August 07, 2012, 05:34:54 AM
If I spent a ton of gas money, take a day off of work, drive over an hour, and get to a "hamfest" with 10% ham related items, you can be sure that I am going to be pi**ed off.
I dont go to a hamfest so the sponsoring club can make money. If they need my money that bad, I will be happy to mail them a yearly donation of whatever the admission price to their "hamfest" is. But dont waist my time and money because they wanted to sell table spots and make the event "look full and busy".

The end purpose of a hamfest isn't just to supply any ham with gear that he or she may need.  The end purpose of a hamfest is to get hams together to support the sponsors of that hamfest.  Usually that sponsor is a club or organization that is there to support and promote ham radio.

Alos, hamfests (the better ones, anyway) should be family affairs where the ham's entire family can be fairly comfortable in looking around and enjoying themselves.  Don't take this personally, but attitudes like yours are all too close to the 'me first' attitude of all too many people these days.

The type hamfest you want is the regional affair that is what Dayton and other "ham radio only" gatherings are, not what a local, average club hamfest is.  73.


Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: KC0SHZ on August 10, 2012, 03:40:48 PM
If I spent a ton of gas money, take a day off of work, drive over an hour, and get to a "hamfest" with 10% ham related items, you can be sure that I am going to be pi**ed off.
I dont go to a hamfest so the sponsoring club can make money. If they need my money that bad, I will be happy to mail them a yearly donation of whatever the admission price to their "hamfest" is. But dont waist my time and money because they wanted to sell table spots and make the event "look full and busy".

The end purpose of a hamfest isn't just to supply any ham with gear that he or she may need.  The end purpose of a hamfest is to get hams together to support the sponsors of that hamfest.  Usually that sponsor is a club or organization that is there to support and promote ham radio.

Alos, hamfests (the better ones, anyway) should be family affairs where the ham's entire family can be fairly comfortable in looking around and enjoying themselves.  Don't take this personally, but attitudes like yours are all too close to the 'me first' attitude of all too many people these days.

The type hamfest you want is the regional affair that is what Dayton and other "ham radio only" gatherings are, not what a local, average club hamfest is.  73.

I disagree.  Most of the hamfests that I have been to, and all the hamfests in my area are ham radio focused.  They are not generic "family fun days".   

If a ham radio club advertises their event to be such a "family fun day", then you would go to it expecting to see other things.   If they advertise a ham fest, they you expect to see real radio stuff for sale and not a bunch of unrelated stuff.

If you drive a hour or more and you are expecting thing 2, and you get thing 1, you have a right to be unhappy and disappointed.


Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: K1CJS on August 12, 2012, 05:13:50 AM
So the next time you're 'disappointed', why don't you tell the hamfest organizers that you want things done your way.  Chances are that they'll laugh at you.  Your only recourse is not to go--and if you're looking for a particular piece of older equipment, you'll probably go anyway.

Unless there are promises made of certain things or certain dealers that are supposed to be present at that 'fest, there isn't really much that you can do about it if there are non ham related things for sale there.  I repeat, the hamfest is put on primarily to benefit the organization that is putting it on, not to satisfy any one ham that goes there.  If that organization is selling table space, they would be foolish to turn people away because some--or most--of what they're selling isn't ham radio equipment. 

On the other hand, some hams go to those just to get together and ragchew--and they could care less about what's for sale.

Of course, you could always throw a temper tantrum and cry about "non-ham" sales at the gathering.  Hey--remember that there's always e-bay. 


Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: KE3WD on August 13, 2012, 08:55:54 AM
I see absolutely nothing wrong with letting the Free Market work. 

If sellers of nonham stuff make a profit at a hamfest, then its a win-win situation for both the seller and the Amateur Radio Club sponsoring said event.

If the sellers of nonham stuff don't do so well in the marketplace, expect them to think twice about spending the money and time for a return trip.

I prefer that to the "nazi" approach, we have enough of that already as it is...


73


Title: RE: Non-ham items at hamfests
Post by: W8ATA on August 13, 2012, 08:40:34 PM
Never could understand or relate to getting one's knickers all in a knot about non-ham items at hamfests. I go to enjoy myself and see buddies from around Ohio and beyond. A treasure or bargain found is a bonus.

And the ham who followed his XYL into a Goodwill Store didn't complain about actually finding a Yaesu FT-1000Mark IV for
$150 didn't complain about it being there. Instead he bought it.

73,
Russ