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Title: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: KC2VDM on June 15, 2012, 12:48:31 PM
July QST, page 72. "As of March 2012, HES (Heathkit Educational Systems), the company indefinitely suspended operations."

Can't say I didn't see it coming.

-Alex


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: N5INP on August 02, 2013, 05:46:40 AM
A few weeks ago I filled out a survey on the Heathkit site. Now the site does not even exist -

http://www.heathkit.com/


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: W1JKA on August 02, 2013, 06:36:58 AM
What do you suppose they did with the survey results?


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: N3HFS on August 02, 2013, 06:42:29 AM
What do you suppose they did with the survey results?

Perhaps they used them to decide to shut down?  :D


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: W1JKA on August 02, 2013, 07:39:43 AM
Re: N3HFS

LOL True, probably right after they sold them.


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: KE4JOY on August 02, 2013, 03:26:46 PM
What do you suppose they did with the survey results?

Went to the same place as those windows error reports...

I noticed the other day in a hardware story a set of motion detection yard lights with the name "Heath Zenith" on them.

http://www.heath-zenith.com/

So there relegated to making doorbells /shrug


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K1CJS on August 03, 2013, 08:10:57 AM
July QST, page 72. "As of March 2012, HES (Heathkit Educational Systems), the company indefinitely suspended operations."

Strange.  I logged in and completed the survey in June.  Even got a nice thank you note and inclusion on the e-mail list for hearing about further developments.  Of course, I haven't checked back since.....


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: W9GB on August 03, 2013, 09:51:27 AM
Regarding KE4JOY's comment about Heath-Zenith: http://www.heath-zenith.com/

These garage/security/door-bell products were the Security Division of Heathkit (Benton Harbor, MI), and later Heath/Zenith (Chicago).

Over a decade ago, the Duchossois family based in Chicago since 1916,
purchased this Security products division after Zenith was acquired and kit business finally ended in 1990s.  
The Security products (HeathCo) manufacturing plant was moved to Bowling Green, Kentucky with engineering/design performed here in the Chicago area.
They do not own any portion of the Heathkit Educational Systems (HES) business, that I am aware of.  
They do have rights to the Heath/Zenith brand names / trademarks for the security products.
I hope this ends some earlier inaccurate statements.


The Duchossois family of companies are based here in Elmhurst, IL
Their corporate offices are about 1 mile from my QTH.
http://www.duch.com/

The Duchossois family also owns Chamberlain and LiftMaster brand name electric garage door openers.
The Heath/Zenith security products (HeathCo) were to compliment these product lines.
http://www.chamberlain.com/ccv2/homePage.htm

The family has also been long-time horse-racing participants,
owning Arlington Racetrack (IL) and recently Churchill Downs (KY).


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K2OWK on August 03, 2013, 01:57:51 PM
This reminds me of Indian Motorcycles, Gone, Back, Gone, Back, Gone and now back produced by Polaris.

73s

K2OWK


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: N5INP on August 03, 2013, 03:56:40 PM
This reminds me of Indian Motorcycles, Gone, Back, Gone, Back, Gone and now back produced by Polaris.

Indeed, because now the site is back again.  :-\

http://www.heathkit.com/heathkit-faq.html


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: KL2TC on August 03, 2013, 05:14:05 PM
This reminds me of Indian Motorcycles, Gone, Back, Gone, Back, Gone and now back produced by Polaris.

73s

K2OWK

If Heathkit makes a comeback like the Indian Motorcycle Company has done, they will be producing a full line of kits from linear amps to transceivers to tuners at a super competitive price backed by Motorola.  Their production will also be preceded by a marketing campaign put together by a group of geniuses.   As much as I would love to see it, I don't think they'll be up to emulating Indian.


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: N7BMW on August 03, 2013, 10:39:54 PM
I would like to see Heathkit come back.  I just filled out their survey but this "stealth mode" of operating makes me suspicious that this is just a fishing expedition from a market research company.

I won't be holding by breath.


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: TANAKASAN on August 04, 2013, 02:07:29 AM
OK, a simple task, try sending Heathkit an email.

Tanakasan


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: W1JKA on August 04, 2013, 03:02:11 AM
Re: Reply #11

The only thing that surprises me about the (questionable) survey is that they did not ask for your SSN. This is a great site to fish and troll with the cost only being the price of a yearly subscription.


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: KE4JOY on August 04, 2013, 03:43:55 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that no 'kit' manufacturer is going to produce a kit that has B+ voltages in it.

Just a guess.


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: PBPP on August 12, 2013, 11:57:05 PM
I'm not surprised. 
Saw it coming when everyone got all excited about Heathkit possibly coming back.

~ Mitch ~


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: NK7Z on August 13, 2013, 07:22:14 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that no 'kit' manufacturer is going to produce a kit that has B+ voltages in it.

Just a guess.

Bzzzzzzt = Lawsuite


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K6CPO on August 15, 2013, 03:07:09 PM
Website is active:

http://www.heathkit.com/heathkit-faq.html


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: N7BMW on August 15, 2013, 09:15:20 PM
Whoever these owners of Heathkit are, they are talking in circles: Who owns Heathkit? - The Heath Company. 

Until we see real products this is what we used to call in the computer industry VAPORWARE.

I filled out their questionnaire and immediately got hit with a lot of extra spam.  Coincidence?


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K1ZJH on August 15, 2013, 09:47:51 PM
I'm surprised that someone like MFJ didn't jump on this opportunity.  Imagine being able to legally own the Heathkit brand, instead of Vectronics or similar, to market kits?  I'd sure love to know who the man behind the curtain is.

pete


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K1CJS on August 16, 2013, 05:13:28 AM
...I filled out their questionnaire and immediately got hit with a lot of extra spam.  Coincidence?

I also filled out the questionnaire, but I didn't get increased spam.  AAMOF, I haven't gotten anything from the Heath company at all.


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: W1JKA on August 17, 2013, 03:20:39 AM
 I'm still anxiously awaiting the Knightkit survey with crossed fingers. ;)


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: KD0REQ on August 17, 2013, 06:48:10 PM
I was under the impression from long ago that it took at least one year to whip up, debug, write and approve manuals, and all that truck for a new Heathkit.  I personally don't expect anything until next spring or summer from these guys, and then I'll pay attention.

there are more stringent FCC cert tests required now, too, and you have to build or contract out a lab for that.

be nice if it works out and they have something I want.


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: W9GB on August 17, 2013, 08:56:07 PM
Quote from: W1JKA
I'm still anxiously awaiting the Knight-Kit survey with crossed fingers.
Jim -

Guess I could drive over to 25th Avenue in Melrose Park to see the old plant/store
(formerly shown on cover of pale green/white manuals).
Some days, I think I live next to an archeological site (former Chicago electronics industry), after everyone left.  
Then you get surprised, with a few supposed rebirths.


Steve Reyer's Knight-Kit web page
http://www.mequonsteve.com/knight-kit/

Allied Radio Catalog Archives
http://www.alliedcatalogs.com/


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: N5INP on December 19, 2013, 04:26:20 AM
Amazingly, I just got this email from Heathkit. I filled out the survery and never heard from them until today -

Quote
Dear Heathkit Insider,

The response to our survey has been formidable. There's no question that many people – many thousands of people – want Heathkit to succeed and flourish. We thank you for your good will and interest.

We promised not to clutter your email inbox with noisy communications you don't want, and we've kept that promise. Meanwhile remember that if you are a Facebook user, a good way to stay up-to-date is to join our Facebook page and "Like" us, at
    http://www.facebook.com/heathcompany
___________________________________________________

Later this week there will be a special "Ask Me Anything" event on Reddit.com where a member of Heathkit's Board of Directors will be available for an hour to chat live and answer questions about our progress and plans.

On Friday 20-Dec-2013 at 8pm EST / 5pm PST (which is Saturday 21-Dec 0100 UTC), please join us at
    http://www.reddit.com/user/HeathCompany/submitted

When the event starts, a link to it will appear at the top of that page.

(Please remember Reddit is an open, unmoderated public Internet forum -- we do not control who participates or what anyone else says in that public location. The usual Internet etiquette and safety rules apply.)
____________________________________________________

We're thankful for your patience and enthusiasm. And we look forward to seeing you on Reddit this Friday evening.

Sincerely,

The Heathkit Management Team

--

Heathkit (R) is a registered trademark of Heath Company. (c) 2013 All rights reserved. Heathkit(R) in all uses, the Heathkit name, the Heathkit logos and slogans, and "Heathkit(R) Educational Systems" are internationally registered trademarks of Heath Company. This message was only sent to people who opted in to the Heathkit Insiders email list.


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: W1JKA on December 19, 2013, 05:19:41 AM
Still waiting for Knight Kit info here    :(


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: W4HTH on December 19, 2013, 06:07:34 AM
I got an email from heathkit last night { 12-18 } saying they are going to be answering questions on reddit friday the 20th at 8:00 pm est,
still alive or just kicking ? we'll see.


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: KD0REQ on December 20, 2013, 08:21:30 PM
well, they held the AIA on Reddit.  there were just a few new details...expect something first half of 2014.  principal owners will come out of the closet when there are kits.  very cautious with few answers, but "a board member" did say there are two ways of doing SDR now, and they think both of them are wrong.  most of the "what ya doin' when ya doin'" they have gotten was from hams, but they want to offer 8 categories of kits across the lines they used to do.  they sort of intimated they have some outside designers.  a number of participants snarled out of the AIA saying there was nothing there, table of lawyers going over the answers, yada yada.  interested in open software.  everybody on the board has their ticket, as do lots of others.  absolutely no replies to questions on specific products, SMT versus through-hole versus pre-assembled with a hank of wire and a case, etc. before I called it an hour.

overall impression: private money being private money cagey, I suspect they would like to come out of the gate with something plenty interesting, but do not want to commit before they know if they can (a) make one in a row, (b) get whatever so Joe Screwdriver can duplicate it, (c) not get whaled by copycats or patent lawyers in the process.  don't screw it up, I guess, is the masthead on their letterhead.  they tease well ;)

see the next episode next week in this theater, in which special powers will appear, etc.


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: KB1WSY on December 21, 2013, 04:34:19 AM
well, they held the AIA on Reddit.

Interesting. Thank you for taking the time to provide that summary.

73 de Martin, KB1WSY


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K8AXW on December 21, 2013, 09:01:29 AM
"Heathkit is officially Dead (again)"

I can just see the mad doctor's assistant leaning over the table saying, "It's alive, Master!"  Only to have the eyes close once again.  ::)

I've been able to calculate that I've assembled very close to $2500.00 worth of Heathkits in my ham career and there hasn't ever been anything that gave me more joy.  Even today, I still think Heath was an incredible source of ham gear, filling a much needed and appreciated niche.

However, I have no illusions of Heathkit or anything resembling Heathkit ever being resurrected again.  We live in a different era now which would make this almost impossible to succeed.

I was recently told to "go to hell" when I expressed this same opinion and essentially told to stop the blasphemy! 

Apparently there are still those who want Heathkit back so bad they're putting it into an almost religious category.

Two facts are very apparent.  Elvis is dead.  So is Heathkit.  As a true Heathkit admirer, may I suggest we move on?

Al - K8AXW




Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: KB1WSY on December 21, 2013, 11:06:29 AM
Two facts are very apparent.  Elvis is dead.  So is Heathkit.  As a true Heathkit admirer, may I suggest we move on?

There is one way to replicate, nearly, the Heathkit experience. Buy a "distressed" already built Heathkit (or two of them) and find a manual (even the originals are still widely available on Amazon and eBay). Disassemble them. Order new components as required (many of the capacitors and you might as well replace all the resistors, they're cheap). Clean up/repaint cabinets and chassis. Then build from scratch, using the manual.

I've done this for a couple of simpler Heathkits and have a couple more ambitious ones in the wings. I'm doing a much better job than I did as a 12-year-old back in the '60s. It's not expensive, it's highly educational if you do some research into "how it works" (not Heathkit's forte) and it will occupy quite a large number of hours!

The only part of the "Heathkit experience" that you will miss is opening the box and seeing all of those brand-new components ready for assembly. I guess you could even replicate that too if you bought a carboard box and some styrofoam....

(The alternative is to find an "unbuilt Heathkit" but those are changing hands for such high prices that you would be mad to build them. They're an investment, not a kit!)

Here is one of my "reconstructed" Heathkits. The original was a big mess. Many of the components were replaced except for the precision resistors and the meter. The rotary switches and probes were replaced. The cabinet was stripped and repainted. The front panel had paint chipped off in places so I mixed up a matching color using model paint. This is part of Heathkit's "basic electricity" course so I went ahead and did the course!!

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-C28IfRvAneU/UV-O2TuR-LI/AAAAAAAAAtY/AeV2NnNwop8/s800/EK1_205_CompletedVOMWithManualCloseup.jpg)

Next up: the EK-2A/2B kits which are Heahtkit's "Basic Radio" course. Then eventually, the EK-3 ("Basic Transistors") although I am still missing a few parts for that one.

73 de Martin, KB1WSY


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: KD0REQ on December 21, 2013, 02:22:44 PM
K8AXW:  blasphemy, sir, Elvis is alive and well and touring 7-11s in the midwest when nobody is looking.  don't you read the "newspapers" waiting in the checkout lines?


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K8AG on December 21, 2013, 04:25:52 PM
I took a survey several months ago regarding Heathkit.  Apparently there is a lot of interest.  I got this link from them recently.

http://www.reddit.com/user/HeathCompany/submitted


Who knows.  I would sure like their return.

73, JP, K8AG


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K8AXW on December 21, 2013, 04:38:57 PM
Martin:  Absolutely  beautiful work!  Are the labels dry transfer or is the panel silkscreened?

REQ:  LOL.... The thing that really bothers me about the "newspapers" sold at checkout lines is the buyers of these papers.....VOTE! 



Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: N5INP on December 21, 2013, 05:50:16 PM
However, I have no illusions of Heathkit or anything resembling Heathkit ever being resurrected again.  We live in a different era now which would make this almost impossible to succeed.

I won't argue that you are wrong, but why do you think that they are making a fuss over it being resurrected - these mysterious owners?


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: KB1WSY on December 21, 2013, 07:22:21 PM
Martin:  Absolutely  beautiful work!  Are the labels dry transfer or is the panel silkscreened?

The labels are the original Heathkit silk-screened ones. I bought the original meter on eBay and it was a mess. I cleaned the front panel by immersion in soapy water followed by lengthy work with a toothbrush and Q-tips, then left it to dry. Quite a lot of the dark green paint had chipped off around the edges of the front panel but fortunately those white labels stayed intact. I mixed up a blended replica of the background gray/green paint, using modelers' enamel paints (Testors). The case was stripped and resprayed with gray Rustoleum. The only thing I really couldn't get off was a yellow sheen on the front of the transparent plastic meter cover (I showed it to a person who has experience restoring plastics and he said the owner must have been a smoker and it was not removable, beyond the limited cleanup that I managed to do; it isn't really visible in the photo I posted earlier in this thread).

In the end, it turns out to be a blend of "boat anchor restoration" and true "kit building." Both of which are a lot of fun in their own right. In this case it was even better because that meter is part of an excellent Heathkit educational course, so I learned a lot about electricity, too. There are numerous "experiments."

So, it is possible to have the full "Heathkit experience" cheaply, simply by dismantling an old kit (or sometimes two kits, in order to get one complete set of parts). The new Heathkit crew are going to face quite a challenge matching the excellent "experience" of the original kits. Those Heathkits weren't necessarily "state of the art" for their time, but they did provide that unique "building experience." Eico and Knight tried, too, but Heathkit seems to have been the best at that game. (I have also rebuilt Eico kits and the instructions are much harder to follow than Heathkit's.)

Suffice it to say that after this experience, I feel as if I really know how a VOM works. That in fact is how the manual proceeds: you build the VOM in little stages and test how the various resistors and switches work, with real experiments.

I think one question that needs to be asked, too, is whether there is a demand nowadays for this kind of "hands-on" building. The so-called "do it yourself" movement of recent years gives me some hope. But still, there seem to be fewer and fewer people who are interested in "making things with their own hands." I think THAT is the biggest challenge of all. It's an issue that goes way beyond ham radio, obviously. My comment is also not intended to be a "generational" indictment: I find that people of my own age (mid-50s) are just as un-interested in "practical building" as people half my age.

Here are a couple more photos.

The reconstituted "set of parts ready for building" (including the additional parts for the "Basic Electricity" experiments):

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-60IGcENiO9E/UV-FMrjQt6I/AAAAAAAAAn0/aMQ00Wp6xXg/s640/DSCF4768.JPG)

An intermediate photo showing some construction detail during rebuilding:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vVkX-9nSvaY/UV-Opi7qK3I/AAAAAAAAAs8/YvdMqFdlPtM/s640/EK1_176_BuildVoltmeterDividerResistorsTop.jpg)

73 de Martin, KB1WSY






Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K7RBW on December 21, 2013, 08:57:41 PM
I think one question that needs to be asked, too, is whether there is a demand nowadays for this kind of "hands-on" building. The so-called "do it yourself" movement of recent years gives me some hope. But still, there seem to be fewer and fewer people who are interested in "making things with their own hands." I think THAT is the biggest challenge of all. It's an issue that goes way beyond ham radio, obviously. My comment is also not intended to be a "generational" indictment: I find that people of my own age (mid-50s) are just as un-interested in "practical building" as people half my age.

I wouldn't give up on the DIY community, just yet. There are many "makers" who are building all sorts of gadgets with Arduino boards and Rasberry-Pi single-board computers. They aren't building ham-radio kits, but they're getting into electronics, 21st-century style. My feeling is that with the ubiquity of cellphones, the allure of "long-distance" radio communications isn't what it used to be. Talk around the world? I can have a video chat in real-time from my cell phone! What's the big deal?

The DIY enthusiast who might have built a Heathkit in the 70s and 80s is now building internet-connected, microcomputer-powered gadgets that move gizmos he or she fabricated on a 3-D printer. That being said, I think there's a lot of opportunity to sell ham radio features to the internet-connected, Arduino-programming DIY-er. (Imagine...your device could communicate with the outside world in places that don't have 3G or WiFi! Yes, ham radio can do that!)


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K1CJS on December 22, 2013, 06:57:28 AM
I would venture that Heathkit will be back--although not in the manner of the past.  That is, no physical 'stores' as there used to be.

I see one or two warehouses in addition to a manufacturing facility, and sales through the internet mainly, with possibly some of their kits sold to other store chains for sales there.

They will probably come back in the same way that the old "Anderson-Little" men's clothiers have done so, with a limited offering sold over the internet at first, and hopefully a slowly growing variety of kits as time goes by.


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: KD8HMO on December 22, 2013, 07:25:21 AM
I wonder what the chances are of Heathkit resurrecting a few of the old classic tube radios? Wouldn't it be cool if they brought back the HW-101? I wonder if the molds and tooling for the case and plastic pieces still exist...


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: KA5IPF on December 22, 2013, 08:51:25 AM
What are you going to use for tubes??? Chinese ones, don't get me laughing.


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K7RBW on December 22, 2013, 10:19:24 AM
What are you going to use for tubes??? Chinese ones, don't get me laughing.

That's easy: make some LED-illuminated tube replicas to mount on top of the chassis and mound the digital radio module below where no one can see it.

...or would that be cheating?

;)


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K1CJS on December 22, 2013, 06:18:59 PM
I doubt you'll see tubes.  Probably modules that take the place of tubes, and modernized rigs to boot.  After all, only nostalgia addicts want the old kits--DIY kit builders would want modernized equipment.  You may see one or two of the old timers brought back, but I doubt it--at least by the tone of the 'company spokespersons.'


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K8AXW on December 23, 2013, 06:13:52 PM
Martin:  Again, beautiful work!  You're obviously a perfectionist with infinite patience.  I used to be like that but old age fixed that problem!  HI.

INP:
Quote
I won't argue that you are wrong, but why do you think that they are making a fuss over it being resurrected - these mysterious owners?

Nothing wrong with wishing or hoping.... however I've had this "Resurrection of Heathkit" discussion off and on for a year or two.  Those "wishers and hopers" that are turning me off are the fanatical ones....those that become belligerent during their discussions.

As I mentioned, I had one tell me on another forum, "Go to hell!"  It was also suggested that I get off their forum..... to put it mildly. This is the type of rabid response I've received from some who want Heathkit back.

I too would love to build at least one more Heathkit before I punch out but have no illusions that it will happen. It was great fun while it lasted.

Al - K8AXW


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: KD8TUT on December 23, 2013, 10:56:30 PM
Martin:  Again, beautiful work!  You're obviously a perfectionist with infinite patience.  I used to be like that but old age fixed that problem!  HI.

INP:
Quote
I won't argue that you are wrong, but why do you think that they are making a fuss over it being resurrected - these mysterious owners?

Nothing wrong with wishing or hoping.... however I've had this "Resurrection of Heathkit" discussion off and on for a year or two.  Those "wishers and hopers" that are turning me off are the fanatical ones....those that become belligerent during their discussions.

As I mentioned, I had one tell me on another forum, "Go to hell!"  It was also suggested that I get off their forum..... to put it mildly. This is the type of rabid response I've received from some who want Heathkit back.

I too would love to build at least one more Heathkit before I punch out but have no illusions that it will happen. It was great fun while it lasted.

Al - K8AXW


Hard for me to understand how anyone could become religious about Heathkit.

I built my share of kits as a kid and would love to do it again, I'm sorry you were treated that way.

I live not far from Heathkit in St. Joseph MI. It will be great if they come back and create jobs.


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K1CJS on December 24, 2013, 07:42:42 AM
Re:  Chinese tubes

I wouldn't be surprised if all too many airheaded hams embraced those--just look at the amount of them that are singing the praises of the wonderbox HTs the Chinese factories are putting out!

The hope is that the owners of the Heathkit name won't even try to do such a thing.


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K8AXW on December 24, 2013, 07:50:31 AM
TUT:  If I was belligerent or made my opinion(s) in a ridiculing way, I would understand the nasty response(s).  But, I expressed myself exactly as I have here.  I don't understand this attitude either.

I would love to see Heath back in business.  I have no idea what the profit margin is for people like Hendricks and the other QRP kit vendors but I've always thought that if one company would have a line supplying simple kits, it might fly.  

But, again, there are many factors involved here which includes overhead and salaries that might torpedo such a startup. And, from what I have learned, the service for those who can't assemble Leggo eats up a tremendous amount of resources!

We definitely need more jobs in this country!



Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: KD0REQ on December 24, 2013, 08:08:50 AM
tubes:  first, resurrect Sylvania.  then resurrect Old Heathkit.  then resuscitate A5SUP.

I don't think you'll see anything hollow-state from the new Heathkit, unless it's ceramic.  the QC issues, the cost of basic parts, the dependable supply of all the above, just not worth it if you want to rebuild an iconic brand.

it would be like resurrecting Studebaker 50s models and meeting current EPA and DOT standards.


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K1CJS on December 25, 2013, 07:21:55 AM
Resurrecting an iconic brand doesn't mean that the old products have to be resurrected as well.  And even if they were to base the looks on the old products, the innards of the new products can be as state-of-the-art as the manufacturer wants them to be.

Absolutely nothing says that they would have to bring back tube gear.


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K8AXW on December 25, 2013, 08:58:49 AM
CJS:  Excellent point!  It would be foolish for a company to design and produce their gear based on tube designs.  For all practical purposes, the only thing that is presently locked into using tubes are linear amplifiers. 

Inroads are being made in this field and as soon as the design engineers get their act together, the only tube linear amps will be the old ones.

As one who has gone through the very large tubes in receivers era, down to the "peanut" tubes, into solid state with a life expectancy that was very uncertain to the present day solid state chips that have millions of transistors on one substrate and seem to last forever.

History is repeating itself once again and in the near future, the flaky sold-state linears we see now will be a thing of the past.

I think ham radio will be quite interesting when this happens.  No more amp tuning mistakes, no more 50% operating - 50% in the shop thing. 

Al - K8AXW


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: KB4QAA on December 25, 2013, 12:54:20 PM
Anybody remember Charlie Brown, Lucy and the Football?

How many times will hams fall for this fond Heathkit memory?


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: W9GB on December 25, 2013, 01:09:46 PM
Audiophiles continue to support vacuum tube audio.

Dynakit was resurrected a few years ago, and virtually contines to offer transformers, parts,
PC boards, and chassis for the restorers of 1960s and 1970s Dynaco kits, as well as new kits.
http://www.dynakitparts.com

Dynakit, Inc
55 Walman Ave.
Clifton, NJ 07011, USA

Dynakit® Vacuum Tube Audio Products is a newly formed division of AFC, Corp., (est. 1983)
an O.E.M. manufacturer of formed sheet metal components, enclosures and electrical control systems.
Our 8000 sq. ft. facility is located in Clifton, New Jersey, approximately 10 miles west of New York City.


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: KD8TUT on December 25, 2013, 11:12:11 PM
TUT:  If I was belligerent or made my opinion(s) in a ridiculing way, I would understand the nasty response(s).  But, I expressed myself exactly as I have here.  I don't understand this attitude either.

I would love to see Heath back in business.  I have no idea what the profit margin is for people like Hendricks and the other QRP kit vendors but I've always thought that if one company would have a line supplying simple kits, it might fly.  

But, again, there are many factors involved here which includes overhead and salaries that might torpedo such a startup. And, from what I have learned, the service for those who can't assemble Leggo eats up a tremendous amount of resources!

We definitely need more jobs in this country!



I think you were taking my post personally... it was not a personal comment. We agree.


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K8AXW on December 26, 2013, 07:51:26 AM
TUT:  Nothing personal, taken or offered, ....just responding to your comment.  Indeed, we agree!


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K9MHZ on January 04, 2014, 08:20:55 AM
Anybody remember Charlie Brown, Lucy and the Football?

How many times will hams fall for this fond Heathkit memory?

Funny!.. Well put, too.  :D


Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: K9MHZ on January 04, 2014, 08:23:29 AM
Absolutely nothing says that they would have to bring back tube gear.

Definitely.  And thank goodness! 
Been there, done that, drained the wallet, got the T-shirt, and glad we moved on.




Title: RE: Heathkit is officially Dead (again).
Post by: G4FUT on January 15, 2014, 01:54:37 AM
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History is repeating itself once again and in the near future, the flaky sold-state linears we see now will be a thing of the past.

And on another thread (or perhaps forum) I see that Tokyp-Hi-Power linears has closed shop.