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Title: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: W0BTU on July 29, 2012, 12:44:54 PM
Does anyone else besides me regret upgrading from Ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04?

They say Vista was the worst OS that Microsoft has come out with. Well, it seems to me that Ubuntu 12.04 is the Windows Vista of Linux distros.  >:(

I can no longer run much of the software I used to be able to, because it runs s-l-o-w-l-y and even locks up the GUI (even with dual CPUs and 1GB RAM), and Gnome is not what it used to be (for one thing, I can't stand that tiny, buggy pager in the lower RH corner).

Only by installing FVWM-Crystal am I even able to use this piece of junk. Even that didn't solve the above software issue.

Is it only me, or have others noticed this, too?


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: KF5IZN on July 29, 2012, 05:47:14 PM
I run 2 netbooks, a desktop workstation and a server on Ubuntu 12.04. A couple of observations.
Upgrades can sometime be slower than a fresh install. 
I think Unity sucks, but I haven't noticed much of a perfomance hit. 
11.10 I thought was a little buggier. !2.04 seems a marked improvement.

What programs are you running? are you running a 32 bit version on a 64 bit machine?  Some applications are no longer supported and run lousy on larter systems.   I moved from Evolution to Thunderbird, and OpenOffice because of these issues.  There is always a another Linux distro but I've stuck with Ubuntu because there is so much support for it on line.  Good luck and 73s


 


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: W0BTU on July 29, 2012, 05:54:35 PM
... I think Unity sucks ... What programs are you running? are you running a 32 bit version on a 64 bit machine?

Unity is worthless! What in the heck were they thinking?!

What won't run anymore is Virtualbox. I have to run XP Pro inside it for the Windows software than won't run under WINE, but it locks the machine up most of the time. Sometimes, I can't even Crtl-Alt-F3 to get into a virtual terminal.

Also, Fldigi is all of a sudden a CPU hog. Never used to be before.

There are other issues, too many to mention. One thing that comes to mind is that I can no longer edit the menus. It use to work so beautifully, but this is the very definition of "broken".


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: WE0Z on July 29, 2012, 07:14:16 PM
Try Linux Mint 13!


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: K0JEG on July 29, 2012, 07:21:59 PM
Many of the problems I've had were related to all the new power management that doesn't work as well as the old power management, and Gnome 3/Unity.

Switching to Gnome Classic at the login screen fixed a lot of the issues. But I haven't upgraded any of my other machines, and I might roll back the one I did.

Remember, 10.04 will still be supported until April of next year, so there's not a big hurry to upgrade yet. And as we get closer to 12.10 I'm sure we'll see many of the problems addressed.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: N0NB on July 30, 2012, 05:49:03 AM
It may not be a cure-all, but have you tried installing the Xubuntu desktop?  It should just install and you will have a menu selection on the GDM login screen to select XFCE.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: W0BTU on July 30, 2012, 06:35:19 AM
Try Linux Mint 13!

Maybe I'll look into that. Don't know a thing about Mint.

Switching to Gnome Classic at the login screen fixed a lot of the issues. Remember, 10.04 will still be supported until April of next year, so there's not a big hurry to upgrade yet. And as we get closer to 12.10 I'm sure we'll see many of the problems addressed.

Agreed, except that I needed to upgrade to 12.04 in order to be able to access the Preferences in CQRlog (that's explained on the software's web site). Otherwise, I'd have sure stayed at 10.04.

It may not be a cure-all, but have you tried installing the Xubuntu desktop?  It should just install and you will have a menu selection on the GDM login screen to select XFCE.

No, I haven't. Sounds like the easiest thing to try.

Thanks for all the advice! :-)


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: AC5UP on July 30, 2012, 08:57:05 AM
The Gnome desktop used to be the lower overhead alternative to KDE for older machines with speed & resource limitations. KDE is, was, and remains the more desirable desktop (IMHO), but like Gnome 3 the newer KDE 4.xx version is bloated by features only a geek can appreciate. 2 gigs of RAM is now the minimum recommendation for KDE and 1 gig is a real good idea with Gnome 3. Gnome 3 also assumes you have a "modern" video card with 3-D capability.

Whoopee.

I can't run Gnome 3 on my primary machine because of an older Intel video chipset. I think it odd that a Dell Optiplex (which is about as common a computer as you can find) would be incompatible with the New & Improved Gnome, so I chalk it up to obsolescence on my part or rectal / cranial insertion syndrome by the Gnome 3 code benders. Fact is the market is moving away from traditional desktop machines like mine and in a year or two when netbooks & tablets rule the cloud the wisdom of Gnome 3 might be more obvious.

Anyway.......... LinuxMint's MATE and Cinnamon desktops are a branch of Gnome 2. MATE runs fairly well on my machine but Cinnamon won't. A third option, XFCE, also runs moderately well. There are bugs, quirks, and general oddness in the video driver and the auto-updater has been an issue for me, but two out of three will run. I need to upgrade this machine so I can get back to KDE. The old 3.59 version ran like a champ but it has been abandoned in favor or 4.xx. For those of you wondering why I didn't just stay with KDE 3.59... Java, Flash and the web browser all became obsolete and without them I can't use it.

Here are the distro's I like. Most offer a Live! version you can burn to a CD and run as a test but be aware a CD will run much slower than a normal install. All are free to download with no obligation.

Linux Mint:   http://linuxmint.com/ (http://linuxmint.com/)
MEPIS:        http://www.mepis.org/ (http://www.mepis.org/)          (KDE only but exceptionally well done as a distro)
Open SuSE:  http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org (http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org)
PC-BSD        http://www.pcbsd.org/ (http://www.pcbsd.org/)

PC-BSD is a modern branch of U Cal Berkely's ancient but bulletproof UNIX for AT&T. It has come a long way over the past few years and on a reasonably decent machine runs exceptionally well. It is not 100% compatible with Linux. Maybe 95%, but not 100%............


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: K4JK on July 30, 2012, 10:35:54 AM
I've found it's best to just do a new install instead of upgrading when dealing with Ubuntu. So now I copy all of my data files to a NAS then just do a fresh install. Since I've started doing this I've had very few problems, all of which were rectified by some quick research.

I'd suggest trying this if you want to stick with Ubuntu.

I've been using Linux since the 90s and I think I'm the only old-school person who likes Unity.  ???  It's come a long way since the version that was in 11.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: W0BTU on July 30, 2012, 12:49:44 PM
It may not be a cure-all, but have you tried installing the Xubuntu desktop?  It should just install and you will have a menu selection on the GDM login screen to select XFCE.

Just did that. Time will tell, but it seems better already. I like XFCE. :-)

If FireFox didn't use so much RAM, I think I could  run Virtualbox at the same time with just the 1GB I have now. It does too much swapping to disk, but at least it didn't completely freeze this time. I'll probably try Chrome for now.

I've found it's best to just do a new install instead of upgrading when dealing with Ubuntu.

That's good advice, and I have always done that in the past. I did an upgrade because of something I read that implied we didn't need to. Maybe that's the source of some of my issues.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: KD0QWU on July 30, 2012, 03:28:48 PM


They say Vista was the worst OS that Microsoft has come out with.

No, that would be Windows ME.

Well, it seems to me that Ubuntu 12.04 is the Windows Vista of Linux distros.

If you don't like it, then don't use it.  Pick a different distro.  Arch Linux is my favorite personally...


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: LX2GT on July 31, 2012, 04:28:49 AM
I enjoy 12.04, with the Unity interface. As computing should be done, if you actually want to work on a machine. Virtualbox with windows 7 in it just runs fine, as does cqrlog and fldigi. I use Ubuntu since a couple of years now, upgraded from one version to the next one without doing fresh installs, and see no reason to change.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: W0BTU on July 31, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
Nate's (N0NB) Xubuntu/XFCE suggestion seems to be the solution to all these issues (so far) that cropped up when I upgraded from Ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04. And XFCE has so many nice features!

Thanks to Nate and everyone else for all the suggestions (especially about the alternative Linux distros).

I need an additional gigabyte of DDR400 RAM, and then the remaining speed issue (swapping to the HD when running all the programs that I need to at the same time) will probably be solved. But that probably costs more $ than I have to spend right now.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: DIDJATUL on August 02, 2012, 07:18:30 AM
I personally would never use the upgrade path to use a new version of any Linux distribution. I always do a clean install. It is very common for people to post reports of upgrade issues in the Ubuntu forums. I guess it works for some.

My normal install routine is to use the gparted live CD to zero out/wipe a few gigabytes of the hard drive.

Command in the "root terminal":   dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M

 then ctrl c to stop the process, after a minute or two.

Then I use Ubuntu live CD to install. I press enter when I see the Ubuntu icon/ keyboard, and select "install". I also tab for a custom command namely video=LVDS-1:d for a resolution issue.

I keep my system lean, and fresh... Ubuntu is a very stable platform for me, and easy to update the packages. Which I do frequently.

I have also used a fresh install to correct problems after updates. I did that recently when a intel video driver update caused a daemon problem.

I also run Firefox without plugins, and use Google chrome for flash when needed, as there will be no new updates for flash in Linux, just 5 years of security updates only from Adobe. Works well for me. Google has licensed flash for there use in Linux, and it is now built into Chrome. Google "flash player about" or "linux flash" for more info.

I've gotten used to unity.

My 78 year old Mother uses Ubuntu, and likes it!


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: KJ6MSG on August 03, 2012, 11:03:56 PM
Unity drove me away from Ubuntu. I have since converted to a MacBook Pro. I still have Backtrack Linux running in a VM, but that's it. I haven't looked back.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: AC5UP on August 04, 2012, 01:14:46 AM
...and to continue my previous comments. yesterday I got the itch to take Open SuSE v12.2 Release Candidate 2 XFCE for a spin on my machine. Bad move as the installer has a bug in the auto configuration module. Locked up my machine at the end of the install and hosed the boot loader. Twice. For all I know this could be unique to the XFCE version on the DVD but don't take this as a complaint... If I didn't want issues I shouldn't have been playing with a final (?) Beta.

Long story short, loaded this instead:     http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2088 (http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2088)

Latest version of Linux Mint 13 XFCE and the installer / setup routine is way better than anything I've seen from them before. Very nice. I reserve the right to revise and extend my remarks at a later time, but this one loaded smooth and has run perfectly so far. Very nice first impression despite 512 megs of RAM. If your machine isn't the latest & greatest or burdened by large quantities of memory I recommend you give this one a close look.

BTW: I'm running dual-boot between Win XP and Linux and earlier this year learned something about laying out partitions after the old HDD cashed in its chips. Win XP always dragged when copying between its boot and data partitions. With a dual boot system try to keep all bootable partitions within the first 128 Gigs of the MBR. Do not create more than one primary partition. In my case I'm working with ~300 Gigs of space and installed as follows:

Load Win XP onto a 20 Gig NTFS primary partition. Run all the MS updates & service packs until it's up to the current rev level.
Create one large extended partition that occupies the balance of the drive. Do not create any logical drives or format anything via XP at this time.
Boot your chosen flavor of Linux from the install CD or DVD.
Using the installer's manual partition manager option, create at least three logical drives within the large extended partition...

.  Approximately 10 Gigs as the ROOT logical drive. Set the mount point to  " /  "  and ask the partition utility to format it as EXT4.
.  Approximately 2 Gigs as the SWAP logical drive.
.  Approximately 14 Gigs as the HOME logical drive. Set the mount point to " /HOME " and ask the partition utility to format it as EXT4.

The unused balance of the extended partition should be used as a fourth logical drive formatted with NTFS. You can do this with the Linux or Win XP partition manager. Unless you don't care, you will need to move your DVD drive letter to E or better after the new logical drive is added to Windows. If you create & format the drive within Linux, Windows will want to do a file check on the new partition to index the space the first time you go to it. No Prob, it's normal, it only does that once.

With this layout both operating systems boot within the first 128 Gigs, both can share the space on the top logical drive, and both operating systems run faster than they would with two (or more) primary partitions. Use the big NTFS logical drive for storage. In Win XP this gives you Drive C for the OS and Drive D for data. In Linux you have the usual ROOT, SWAP and HOME partitions plus the big Win XP data drive. If you download a .PDF to D:\ from either OS you can read it from either OS. Very convenient.

But, the real beauty is when you get the itch to try a new version of Linux. Boot from the new DVD, run install, then use the manual option in the partition manager to select the ROOT drive as the format & install target. DO NOT nuke the swap or /HOME drives (unless you want them wiped clean). If you choose the exact same login name(s) as before, your new install will come up with everything in the /HOME drive from the previous version of Linux because you haven't erased /HOME. You will need to set up the desktop color scheme and such, but as far as migrating data? Should be in the same place the way it was for both Windows & Linux before you got the itch to upgrade as long as the login name(s) are the same... This keeps the /HOME directory structure identical and makes a fresh install upgrade of Linux almost painless.

There are two issues that can complicate a dual-boot setup: The first is obvious... Linux can read any Windows partition. Windows can read ONLY Windows partitions. If you'd like to read a file through Windows that was created & stored in the Linux /HOME partition you will be disappointed. This is why the shared data partition should be formatted NTFS. Second issue is a matter of time. Win XP does NOT understand the concept of the BIOS clock being set to GMT with the OS adjusting the offset to local time with or without DST. Linux does, and some versions of Linux (Mint 13 MATE in particular) insist on the hardware clock running GMT and have the Chutzpah to enforce that by default. Every boot auto-sets the clock against a web server. Net result is a machine where the clock is probably wrong most of the time. I had to cheat this machine with MATE by running Azores time in Linux, Chicago time in Windows. I have no idea why that worked, but it did.........  ::)

Also............  Just for grins I tried using the new BTRFS partition format in Linux. No Go on my machine. Choose EXT4 unless you know better.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: W8LJ on August 04, 2012, 08:01:40 PM
I have been using Kubuntu since 7.04. I'm sure that the following statement is true for ubuntu... NEVER UPGRADE!!! Always do a fresh install.

Now that doesn't mean you loose everything set up your drives as suggested above and when it's time to upgrade, follow this link, http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?26184-HowTo-Backup-amp-Restore-your-system-my-way-D and instead of wiping the whole drive just the root drive. you keep your home and the list the link shows how to make reinstalls all your software. Very easy and pleasant.

Ted


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: W0BTU on August 04, 2012, 08:34:32 PM
... I'm running dual-boot between Win XP and Linux ...

I did that a few times in the past. But since I often need to run both operating systems simultaneously, I've been running XP Pro inside Virtualbox for a few years. That is having your cake and eating it too, as the saying goes.

That was one issue I was having; Virtualbox uses a LOT of RAM. And 12.04 uses just enough extra RAM that the upgrade slowed the system down to a crawl when I tried that at first.

Another other big issue was a buggy Gnome 3 (which I immediately installed after I took one look at Unity, and how much RAM it was hogging). Perhaps if I had done a fresh install, I wouldn't have had problems with Gnome 3, but I can't say.

I certainly didn't think so when I started this thread, but I'll probably keep 12.04 for the foreseeable future, as most everything is running very smoothly now under XFCE.

Having said that, I would no longer recommend Ubuntu to a beginner. Maybe I will in the future, but they planted some serious doubts in my mind when they went to Unity.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: KA0SBL on August 05, 2012, 08:56:00 PM
Does anyone else besides me regret upgrading from Ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04?



I agree. I was a fan of Ubuntu for a few years, ditched windows awhile back and now do everything under Linux. The Unity desktop under version 12.04 is acceptable on my netbook, and I'll confirm that a fresh install works much better. But I still can't warm up to it on the desktop PC.

Checking distrowatch.org, you can see Ubuntu has fallen from #1 distro and Linux Mint has been holding the spot. So I gave the Mate desktop distro a try a few months ago and haven't looked back. IMHO it installs and runs like an OS should.

Virtualbox is convenient but heavy on the resources, one really needs a dual-core or better machine with lots of RAM. Also, there is no firewire support, so you can't do video and sound editing using firewire devices. Bummer, but there's native Linux apps that'll get the job done.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: AC5UP on August 06, 2012, 10:09:55 AM
Coincidentally, last night I visited http://distrowatch.org just to see wassup'. The popularity rankings are based on page hits and while that's not a direct correlation to installed base, it is a measure of interest in the distro......... Since then I've been downloading ISO's from here:

http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/

and here:

http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#desktops

Mageia is new to me despite being a branch of Mandriva which had a few excellent distro's that I was running in 2008 - 2009. I haven't thought about Fedora in years, but that doesn't mean Fedora hasn't been thinking about me.......... Sometimes I just get the itch to try something new.  ;D


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: W0BTU on August 06, 2012, 03:40:16 PM
I noticed something with this installation that I can't quite figure out: When I insert an SD card or DVD, it take the OS a LOT longer to recognize it than it did under 10.04. Sometimes it times out with an error message, but a retry always is successful.

Anybody have any idea why?


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: W0BTU on August 09, 2012, 12:07:38 PM
Here's an update on the file system access delay problem. I'm stumped.

When I double-click on the desktop File System icon (file mamager)
or
insert an SD card
or
insert a DVD

...there's a delay of roughly 10 seconds, then an error dialog appears:

"Launch Error"
"The folder could not be opened"
"Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken."

Yet, as soon as this error message appears, the desired window opens. showing all the files and folders.

I just inserted an SD card again. Magically, after trying to open File Manager a couple of times, this problem eventually goes away, at least until the next time I reboot.

There was also a delay seeing a DVD or blank disk in Brasero. All these problems are gone for the time being. I can now instantly access any of the above with no delay; but I guarantee you the next time I reboot, this problem will be back until I open file manager and insert an SD card a couple of times.

Any ideas? I saw nothing in the /var/log files.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: AC5UP on August 09, 2012, 12:53:57 PM
Could be as simple as diagonal data bits in the file manager launcher icon properties.

If you go long path, like Menu => Utilities => File Manager (or whatever), is there a delay before Thunar or Dolphin (or whatever) opens? If so, consider using the software / package manager to mark the utility for re-install. Then refresh the file manager application same as you would add a new program. If the file manager opens properly going long path, but not through the desktop icon, consider deleting the desktop icon and re-creating it. I'm limited in my experience with Gnome, but you should be able to menu your way to the utility, drag the menu icon to the desktop and drop it. A dialog box should open to ask if you'd like to create a launcher or shortcut, etc........... Yes, you would.

BTW:  Brasero blows. I've wasted more blank media because the software auto-config insists on always burning at max speed and will allow nothing slower. Look for XFBURN in the list of installable software and give it a try. Light, fast, and you can tell it to burn an 8X DVD at 4X to reduce the chances of a hosed block. I always try to burn at half speed 'cuz it's faster than going back to burn another copy after Brasero ruins the blank disk.

Also..............  I caught an amusing buglet in Mint 13 XFCE:     The shortcut key combo to invoke the screen saver is Control-Alt-Delete.

Interesting choice, Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

 ::)


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: AC5UP on August 10, 2012, 08:11:33 AM
Meanwhile, on the Internet........ I did a little surfing this morning on http://distrowatch.com (http://distrowatch.com) to find two new releases of interest:

1) For those of you who've been disappointed by Gnome 3 / Unity, you are not alone. Snow Linux released their version 3 (Crystal) this week which features Gnome 2 pre-configured to run on top of an otherwise current version of Linux. Better yet, the base kernel is a long term support version of Debian so if you've had good luck with Gnome 2 in the past, Snow Linux should do the same and love you long time.

2) For those of you looking for a truly lightweight Linux distro that will run on a machine otherwise headed for the curb on trash day, look here:   http://antix.mepis.org/index.php?title=Main_Page (http://antix.mepis.org/index.php?title=Main_Page)

Warren Woodford has an excellent eye for detail and his previous releases of MEPIS Linux were always exceptionally ready to run straight off the installer. He's been working on antiX for better than a year that I'm aware of and the same attention to detail shows in this release. Download the Live CD and take it for a spin. antiX features an assortment of lightweight desktop GUI's you've never seen before. This is not intended as a full duty distro that can run the heaviest Linux apps, given that it's intended for obsolete hardware, but for web surfing / e-mail, whatever, it could be more than you need.   (?)

BTW:   On a completely unrelated note, click this if you enjoy clever Photoshopping:    http://www.topky.sk/cl/13/1319925/Blaznive-snimky-z-Marsu--Curiosity-vraj-naslo-na-planete-toto- (http://www.topky.sk/cl/13/1319925/Blaznive-snimky-z-Marsu--Curiosity-vraj-naslo-na-planete-toto-)

Yeah, that's the Tardis................   8)


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: W0BTU on August 12, 2012, 06:11:21 PM
Could be as simple as diagonal data bits in the file manager launcher icon properties.

If you go long path, like Menu => Utilities => File Manager (or whatever), is there a delay before Thunar or Dolphin (or whatever) opens? If so, consider using the software / package manager to mark the utility for re-install. ...

Nope, that didn't change this puzzling issue. Thanks anyway.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: N0NB on August 13, 2012, 05:50:18 AM
Anyway.......... LinuxMint's MATE and Cinnamon desktops are a branch of Gnome 2. MATE runs fairly well on my machine but Cinnamon won't.

As I understand it, Mate is the continuation of the GNOME 2 code base just as Trinity is the continuation of the KDE 3.5 code base.  Cinnamon is a GNOME 2 styled desktop manager built from GNOME 3 components and GTK3.  So far only Mint offers Cinnamon.  There have been some requests to package it for Debian, but this won't occur for the upcoming Debian 8.0, unfortunately.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: KD8RAP on August 17, 2012, 08:53:41 AM
I use ubuntu a bit, but usually start with a fresh install when switching to a newer distrubution instead of upgrading the existing version.   Although I much prefer other distributions such as Fedora, Mint, Backtrack5r2, freeBSD, and openBSD.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: W0BTU on August 17, 2012, 09:03:26 AM
I liked Fedora, too. Our leased e-commerce server runs Red Hat Enterprise Linux, quite similar to Fedora and CentOS which we also have here. And my router software (pfSense) runs on freeBSD. Never tried the other distros.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: KX3DX on August 18, 2012, 04:48:17 AM
Here's something that baffles me - it's so easy to install Gnome 3 with "Gnome Extensions" on 12.04, why isn't it better known?  Do a google search "12.04 gnome 3", and follow the instructions to install Gnome 3.  Then add "extensions" from the Gnome extensions web site.  With Gnome extensions, you can get Gnome 3 to act like Gnome 2.  I also learned how to theme this whole mess (google changing themes Gnome 3) and now have three computers running 12.04 that operate far better than any previous Ubuntu versions.  Not sure why this isn't more well know....

Dave


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: W0BTU on August 18, 2012, 05:41:38 AM
What's baffling to me is why Unity is now the default Ubuntu window manager.

Maybe I'll try those extensions someday. Sounds interesting. For now, I like Xubuntu/XFCE.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: W0BTU on August 18, 2012, 08:59:16 AM
Here's an update on the file system access delay problem. I'm stumped.

When I double-click on the desktop File System icon (file mamager)
or
insert an SD card
or
insert a DVD

...there's a delay of roughly 10 seconds, then an error dialog appears:

"Launch Error"
"The folder could not be opened"
"Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken."

Yet, as soon as this error message appears, the desired window opens. showing all the files and folders.

I just inserted an SD card again. Magically, after trying to open File Manager a couple of times, this problem eventually goes away, at least until the next time I reboot.

There was also a delay seeing a DVD or blank disk in Brasero. All these problems are gone for the time being. I can now instantly access any of the above with no delay; but I guarantee you the next time I reboot, this problem will be back until I open file manager and insert an SD card a couple of times.

Any ideas? I saw nothing in the /var/log files.

UPDATE: The delay is almost exactly 25 seconds, not 10 seconds as I mentioned above.

Happens every time after I reboot, but usually only once. And it doesn't matter what file manager I use, or how I access it.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: N0NB on August 21, 2012, 06:15:36 AM
Unity is the default because Mark Shuttleworth, founder and CEO of Canonical and Ubuntu's dictator for life, decreed that Unity shall be the default.  Just wait until Wayland becomes the default graphical display server supplanting Xorg.  However, Wayland's default status has been pushed back at least one release, as I understand it.  Done right, Wayland could be a very useful technology.  It still has a lot of maturing to do.



Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: AC5UP on August 24, 2012, 11:54:04 AM


Ubuntu XFCE 12.04.1 LTS was released today and can be found here:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04.1/release/ (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04.1/release/)

The latest Ubuntu (Gnome 3) 12.04.1 LTS is available here:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.1/release/ (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.1/release/)

Kubuntu 12.04.1 LTS can be downloaded here:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04.1/release/ (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04.1/release/)



The LXDE version hasn't hit the mirror as of this message timestamp, but could happen "soon".


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: AC5UP on September 02, 2012, 08:41:49 AM
And speaking of interesting variations on the Linux theme, take this for a spin: ftp://austrumi.ru.lv/austrumi-2.5.6.iso

Very lightweight version that doesn't feel compromised, full GUI desktop interface, ~220 meg download for the live CD image, but here's the spooky part... Austrumi will boot, load itself into RAM, eject the CD, then run independent of the local drive. I have 512 megs of RAM in this machine and it booted with 109 megs free which should be enough for casual use. This would be like if you had a Windows machine that you absolutely couldn't afford to see corrupted by a web virus but at the same time you really wanted to check something on the web.

Boot Austrumi, do your thing, reboot, and it's like nothing happened.

BTW:  I'm posting this through Firefox with Austrumi and aside from the default language and keyboard map being in Latvian (there is no apostrophe, so I had to edit this lest you think I'm N4NYY) it's a no-brainer to use.

So far I've learned that in Latvian Izit = Exit = Shutdown. The icons are easy to figure. Quite an example of what no-frills computing can do!


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: AC5UP on November 14, 2012, 07:35:44 PM
Dontcha' just hate it when someone tries to revive a Zombie thread?  Me too, so I'll keep it short.

Linux Mint 14 (Nadia) MATE Release Candidate One saw the light of day this past Sunday. I've been running it since Monday and aside from a few very minor cosmetic issues it runs fast, stable and could be the best Linux I've tried since MEPIS 8.0.15 / KDE 3.59 went buh-bye.

No Kidding. Somebody got this one right.

Here's the 32 Bit version:  http://free.nchc.org.tw/linuxmint/isos/testing/linuxmint-14-mate-dvd-32bit-rc.iso (http://free.nchc.org.tw/linuxmint/isos/testing/linuxmint-14-mate-dvd-32bit-rc.iso)
And the 64 bit version:  http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/debian/mint/testing/linuxmint-14-mate-dvd-64bit-rc.iso (http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/debian/mint/testing/linuxmint-14-mate-dvd-64bit-rc.iso)


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: NK7Z on November 15, 2012, 07:16:50 AM
Does anyone else besides me regret upgrading from Ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04?

They say Vista was the worst OS that Microsoft has come out with. Well, it seems to me that Ubuntu 12.04 is the Windows Vista of Linux distros.  >:(

I can no longer run much of the software I used to be able to, because it runs s-l-o-w-l-y and even locks up the GUI (even with dual CPUs and 1GB RAM), and Gnome is not what it used to be (for one thing, I can't stand that tiny, buggy pager in the lower RH corner).

Only by installing FVWM-Crystal am I even able to use this piece of junk. Even that didn't solve the above software issue.

Is it only me, or have others noticed this, too?

I put my wife on it, and even she hates it...  I will be switching her to Debian soon...


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: W0BTU on November 15, 2012, 08:30:01 AM
If you look back through this thread, you'll see that N0NB found a solution for it. After following his suggestion (installed Xubuntu and XFCE), we really like Ubuntu 12.04. :-)


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: N0NB on November 19, 2012, 06:02:55 AM
Good to hear, Mike.

Occasionally I'll try the other DEs.  This past week I did install the Mint 14 RC and it has potential even being built on GNOME3.  I also gave KDE 4.9.2 a try on the same RC but even though I was once a dedicated KDE user, this proved to be odd enough that I ditched it.

So far Xfce provides the ability to easily launch applications via the traditional menu or custom launchers, provides needed notifications, doesn't force any sort of network daemon on you (can work with Network Manager, WiCD, or ifupdown scripts without complaint) or system startup scripts (as later versions of GNOME are now dependent on systemd which is not yet fully debugged), gets out of my way but lets me handle removable media via the desktop icons and on and on.  On my home desktop Xfce gives me two separate desktops with multiple workspaces each by handling the ATI dual-head card seemlessly--the only DE to do so.

I see that Cinnamon desktop just landed in Debian Unstable.  I may try that on another partition independent of Linux Mint just to see how it works in a more vanilla installation.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: N4MJG on November 26, 2012, 02:32:55 PM
I never notice begin slow ! mine is fast  i can switch either win7 or ubuntu 12.4 make no difference for me never had any problem of either one of them !  ;)


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: KB2HSH on February 12, 2013, 09:00:17 AM


They say Vista was the worst OS that Microsoft has come out with.

No, that would be Windows ME.

Well, it seems to me that Ubuntu 12.04 is the Windows Vista of Linux distros.

If you don't like it, then don't use it.  Pick a different distro.  Arch Linux is my favorite personally...

I have Windows Me running on a SONY VAIO with 32 MB of ram, and it runs incredibly well.  It can go for MONTHS at a time without a reboot.  I have done this, as a matter of fact.  It sat in my garage last summer doing nothing but running UI-View32/AGWPE to my Icom IC-2AT.  Never ONCE had an issue.  And as of last night, 2/11/2013, I booted it up, and started MixW 1.45, and it too works quite well for old school RTTY.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: NK7Z on February 12, 2013, 10:45:41 PM
Does anyone else besides me regret upgrading from Ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04?

They say Vista was the worst OS that Microsoft has come out with. Well, it seems to me that Ubuntu 12.04 is the Windows Vista of Linux distros.  >:(

I can no longer run much of the software I used to be able to, because it runs s-l-o-w-l-y and even locks up the GUI (even with dual CPUs and 1GB RAM), and Gnome is not what it used to be (for one thing, I can't stand that tiny, buggy pager in the lower RH corner).

Only by installing FVWM-Crystal am I even able to use this piece of junk. Even that didn't solve the above software issue.

Is it only me, or have others noticed this, too?

Go Debian!


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: AB2YC on February 19, 2013, 07:12:12 AM
Debian



Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: W0BTU on February 19, 2013, 08:28:44 AM
Well, I would try Debian; but if you read through all the posts in this thread, you'll see the problem has been solved. :-)

Thanks anyway.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: K0JEG on February 19, 2013, 03:09:25 PM
Slight change of topic, but anyone see the announcement of the Ubuntu Tablet?

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/02/ubuntu-for-tablets-arriving-on-nexus-7-nexus-10-this-week/

I loaded up the "beta" of this on my Nexus 7 (although it was more like straight Unity a few months ago), and was surprised to find FLDIGI, HAMLIB and other ham related software in the software center. The downside is that there was no optimization for a tablet environment on any of the ham programs, but at least Canonical thought to recompile everything they've always had when they created the repository. It was hardly stable, and I didn't attempt any rig control, but if they come up with an easy SDK and simple way to port applications it might lead to a tablet OS that will actually be useful for ham radio applications.

(note the hand waving "maybe"s and "might"s. What can I say, I'm an optimist)  ;D


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: N9ZQZ on March 07, 2013, 06:10:59 PM
I have used Ubuntu for a few years and recently like the rest hate unity. I found zorin os. It is based on ubuntu but the interface is more like windows. I run it in Virtual as well as natively on a desktop and a netbook. It runs awesome. You can download 32 and 64 bit versions. The dvd can boot a live version so you can be sure all your hardware work and if you like it go ahead and install it.



Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: W0BTU on May 30, 2013, 11:32:51 AM
Dontcha' just hate it when someone tries to revive a Zombie thread?  

Sometimes, it's OK to do that. You be the judge.   ;D

I've been hearing (from AE0KU) that Scientific Linux is a pretty darn good distro, and he's tried a lot of them. It's a RHEL clone slanted towards the desktop (as opposed to CentOS which is also a RHEL clone slanted towards servers). Anyone else here try SL?

BTW, I still like Xubuntu 12.04, as I mentioned earlier in this thread. It just still has that delay when some folders are first opened after booting.


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: KD2E on June 11, 2013, 03:16:45 PM
I have two 'puters with Linux on them. Fun to play with, but useless as an operating system. Not that they are not very nice, but anything you want to run requires
all sorts of hurdles, and downloading of patches and manual intervention....Just look at all the posts on folks trying to get FLdigi working. FORGET IT!!

Perhaps MAC is the same way...not sure, but Linux is just not ready for "Prime Time"
Many people like to advertise "LINUX ONLY HERE" so as to feel one notch above everybody else.
Even VISTA now works with most new program releases without any messing with!



Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: W8LJ on June 11, 2013, 05:26:21 PM
I am using Kubuntu 12.04. I keep my system up to date through the repository. All my programs are from the repository. I browse on this and have fldigi working on it, stock. I guess you have to find what works for you.

Ted


Title: RE: I HATE Ubuntu 12.04 !
Post by: WW7KE on June 11, 2013, 10:20:22 PM
I have two 'puters with Linux on them. Fun to play with, but useless as an operating system. Not that they are not very nice, but anything you want to run requires all sorts of hurdles, and downloading of patches and manual intervention....Just look at all the posts on folks trying to get FLdigi working. FORGET IT!!

What distro are you using?  I use Mint 13, and all I had to do was "sudo apt-get install fldigi" and everything worked perfectly.  All dependencies were taken care of.  

Slackware requires that the underlying toolkit be compiled first, but that consists of "configure, make, make install."  That's as tough as it gets, and the whole operation can be done in an hour, tops.  I've done both and they both work perfectly.  I can't comment on Red Hat and other RPM-based distros as I don't use them.

All operating systems require a learning curve.  How did you transition from Windows 3.1 to 95?  There was a definite learning curve that wasn't there when transitioning from 95 to 98 to XP.  Linux is not Windows.  Neither is a Mac.  I've never owned an Apple product, and would have to go through a learning period to get used to a Mac.

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Perhaps MAC is the same way...not sure, but Linux is just not ready for "Prime Time"

Really?  Tell that to Google, Raspberry Pi, TiVo, Android (read:  99.9% of non-Apple smartphones and tablets), Roku, and a whole lot of other stuff where Microsoft is a non-factor and will most-likely never be a factor.  Microsoft for all intents and purposes doesn't exist in the embedded space.  

What exactly is "not ready for prime time?"

Microsoft is still king on the corporate desktop, but even that market-share is beginning to drop.  Win 7 Pro is probably the best of the bunch overall, but there are still incompatibilities, which is why it offers an XP virtual machine.  Win 8 is all but useless unless you have a touch-screen (one can say the same thing about Ubuntu, however), but maybe the update will fix that issue.

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Many people like to advertise "LINUX ONLY HERE" so as to feel one notch above everybody else.

BS.  The OS you use should depend on the software you want to use.  If that software only runs on Windows, then use it.  But your statement sounds like one that might come from a Microsoft employee.  It has no basis in fact.