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Title: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: K6MMS on September 06, 2012, 01:04:42 PM
Just bought a rolling toolbox and plan on getting a "Go Box" together for emergencies.

I have a Yaesu FT-857d as my home base station, so that would become my mobile rig in the event of an emergency. I've already pre-wired my Landcruiser with a power point, so it would just be a matter of plugging in to the truck battery to use the radio. I also have a new Super Antenna portable vertical ready to go, but what else should I have in the box that I haven't though of?

Misc electronics, flashlights, tools, duck tape, etc?

How about some pix of your boxes?

Thanks!


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: KG4RUL on September 06, 2012, 07:51:18 PM
www.kg4rul.info/GoBox.pdf (http://www.kg4rul.info/GoBox.pdf)


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: K6MMS on September 07, 2012, 08:52:39 AM
Wow! That's amazing!


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: KD8GTP on September 08, 2012, 08:59:01 AM
Nice looking Go Box. But no Go Box is complete without yellow flashing lights on your car. And a police type siren would finish the look ! Why have a fully outfitted Go Box but not be able to clear traffic as you rush to the emergency scene ? 


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: LA9XSA on September 08, 2012, 10:50:57 AM
Yellow flashing lights are not for clearing traffic, that's red and blue lights and reserved for emergency vehicles. Some places volunteer firefighters or off duty police officers are also allowed to have them. Same goes for sirens.

As for yellow lights, in some states anyone is allowed to have them, but in other states one needs special authorization for their use. If you're just parked next to the road, yellow lights are probably not needed, but if you're, say, warning other motorists about roadworks, a traffic accident, downed power lines or trees in the road, yellow lights might be appropriate. Just note that they're not foolproof - from some dash camera videos it seems some motorists are attracted to those flashing lights like moths to the flame.  :-\

Here's a video about amber lamps re. tornado spotters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tjGJiRPCuE

The presenter prefers not having them, and instead put some extra reflective material on your car. If you're only stormspotting in the summer tornado season I agree. Note, however, that especially in winter flashing lights may be a VERY good idea. That reflective material on the back of your car will get covered by snow and invisible after a few minutes. The flashing lights will penetrate a few inches of snow, and if they produce heat they might melt it away too.


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: KG4RUL on September 08, 2012, 11:05:51 AM
Nice looking Go Box. But no Go Box is complete without yellow flashing lights on your car. And a police type siren would finish the look ! Why have a fully outfitted Go Box but not be able to clear traffic as you rush to the emergency scene ? 

Are you jealous because you don't have any yellow flashing lights on your car?


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: KD8GTP on September 08, 2012, 05:04:40 PM
I get a kick out of you whackers :-*


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: KG4RUL on September 08, 2012, 08:47:41 PM
I get a kick out of you whackers :-*

There you go, making the assumption that anyone who has a "GoBox" is a whacker.  It is a convenient way to carry a radio and accessories to places like Field Day, JOTA, a public demonstration of Amateur Radio, to a Technician licensing class that I teach, etc.  AND, not once have I whacked off!


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: LA9XSA on September 10, 2012, 03:31:18 AM
but what else should I have in the box that I haven't though of?

Misc electronics, flashlights, tools, duck tape, etc?
I don't know exactly what kind of emergency operation you're considering, but here's some advice that should be generally applicable:

- Head extension cable (to save table space you can leave the radio in a box, and bring the head up on a table)
- Extra antenna wire
- Tuner (as  KG4RUL showed); in emergencies you may need to use improvised non-resonant antennas
- LED Head lamp
- 12 v Battery charger for AAA and AA batteries (for the head lamp and other various items)
- 12 v light
- Pencil and writing materials (in the assumption that you'll be passing messages or at least logging)
- Documents such as quick reference to your radio (for operators unfamiliar with your model), maps (for navigation or DXing), band plans, net information, repeater directories, important phone numbers, etc.
- A writing surface
- Since digital modes are very useful in emergencies, a digital interface, a laptop, and chargers for it, could be a good idea.

The two main approaches to a go kit is to either mount everything in the box, or use a watertight padded case to protect the radio while shipping it around. Some approaches combine this by using - say - a padded Pelican case, without any holes drilled or things mounted to it, but with a removable frame inside that the radio is mounted to. That way you get both a padded watertight shipping container, and everything is already connected up.

In addition to this you should consider having:
- Your own personal "bug out bag" with water, food, hygiene items (toilet paper, moist towlettes, hand sanitizer etc.), personal documents, change of clothing, any medication etc. Depending on where you'll be operating from (such as a Field Day site or Red Cross shelter), there might be food services provided, but in case it isn't you should be self-sustainable for a number of days. You might make this into a "never getting home kit", and put stuff like digital family photos, insurance documents, pictures of your valuables and scans of your college diplomas in it.

- A portable gel or AGM deep cycle battery. Operating from the car starting battery over extended periods is not recommended. You could get a battery isolator (such as the ISOpwr from West Mountain Radio) to make your car charge the deep cycle battery when its alternator is running, but prevent the deep cycle battery from draining the starting battery.

- A power supply, in case generator or grid power is available at your operating location.


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: W7HBP on September 10, 2012, 10:25:06 AM
www.kg4rul.info/GoBox.pdf (http://www.kg4rul.info/GoBox.pdf)

Nice set up! ;D


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: KO3D on September 24, 2012, 01:47:03 PM
1. LED amber roof bar with take downs and alley lights. Wig wag headlamps are an absolute must. Additional LED in side windows and trunk lid as well as flashing back up and tail lights. Lights on dash and rear deck. Push bumper, cage, flood light, PA, multi-mode siren are optional but preferred.

2. Professional decal job including ARES(c), RACES, SKYWARN, EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS, and "When all else fails" on both sides and trunk. Don't forget to spell EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS backwards on the hood so people can read it in their rear view mirrors.

3. HF, OSCAR, 6m through 10GHz antennas. The more the better even if some aren't hooked up to anything.

4. Plenty of lanyards for all OEM, club, VE, and BJ shopper club ID cards.

5. Change and dollar bills to buy snacks at the fire station vending machine.
 


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: KB2WIG on September 25, 2012, 04:36:13 PM
http://www.charmin.com


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: AE5JU on September 25, 2012, 09:16:45 PM
When you need to call for "lawyers, guns, and money" there's nothing like HF.   ;D

I've got an Icom 718, LDG IT-100, and Samlex SEC-1223 mounted in a Pelican 1550 case.  They are all bolted to a 1/8" aluminum hinged plate that tilts up for good viewing angle.  There is room under the plate, when set down into the case, for Radiogram pads, notepads, pencils ("digital logging program"), various coax adapters, all fuses needed for that gear, and then some.  Everything is wired together with Anderson Powerpoles.  It can either be powered from A/C via the Samlex power supply, or though a 10 ga power cord with Power Poles on each end.  I have a Y-cable with battery clamps to hook up to car, boat, lawn tractor, or other available batteries.  I have four 12v 12ah gel cells kept topped off with a Battery Tender.

(Sorry, can't place images here, you'll just have to click on the links to see them.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/PaulCoats/20HFGoKit.jpg (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/PaulCoats/20HFGoKit.jpg)

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/PaulCoats/FieldDay6-28-10.jpg (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/PaulCoats/FieldDay6-28-10.jpg)

I also have an OCFD, my "3-Legged Windom", which is a 4:1 current balun, with three removable and interchangeable legs.  They remove and attach via snap hooks and use single Powerpoles for electrical connection to the balun.  

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/PaulCoats/01BalunConnection1.jpg (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/PaulCoats/01BalunConnection1.jpg)

(That's a voltage balun.  It has since been replaced with a current balun.)

Use the 88' + 44' legs to get 80, 40, 20, 17, 10 m.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/PaulCoats/04Windom80Meters.jpg (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/PaulCoats/04Windom80Meters.jpg)

Use the 44' + 22' legs for 40, 20, 10 m.  

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/PaulCoats/03Windom40Meters.jpg (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/PaulCoats/03Windom40Meters.jpg)

And this is mine, too:  

http://www.hamuniverse.com/ae5jufielddayantenna.html (http://www.hamuniverse.com/ae5jufielddayantenna.html)

I have one at home, and another at the club station.  A slight mod, now the four legs remove from the center insulator via snap hooks and Powerpoles for easier, neater storage and deployment.  

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/PaulCoats/10FieldDayAntNewConnectionColorCode.jpg (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a384/PaulCoats/10FieldDayAntNewConnectionColorCode.jpg)

Anyone who wants a pdf of this antenna, pictures, etc, please email my call at arrl dot net.  People all over the USA have built this and report equally good results.

I have also two extension cord reels each with 50' of RG-8X.  Each has 10 RCT-2 Ferrite Beads snapped on the end to go up by antenna feedpoints.

I have one of N5TAX's roll up Slim Jims for 2m, and it is all it is said to be.  

http://www.hamuniverse.com/n9taxslimjimreview.html (http://www.hamuniverse.com/n9taxslimjimreview.html)

You can't make one for his prices.

http://www.2wayelectronix.com/ (http://www.2wayelectronix.com/)

Another Pelican case, this one a 1300, contains a Yaesu FT-1802M.

A couple of spools of bright orange 550 parachute cord are used to tie off the OCFD, or hang the N9TAX Slim Jim.   The Slim Jim can also be taped or ty-wrapped to a few sections of the fiberglass mil mast and stabbed on the PA speaker tripod, no guys needed if you don't exceed 4 sections, which puts it up about 18' high.

[forest gump]Well, that's all I have to say about that subject.[/forest gump]

73,
Paul - AE5JU



Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: AE5JU on September 25, 2012, 09:27:14 PM
Nice looking Go Box. But no Go Box is complete without yellow flashing lights on your car. And a police type siren would finish the look ! Why have a fully outfitted Go Box but not be able to clear traffic as you rush to the emergency scene ? 


Note to self:  Yellow flashing lights.  Check with fellow club member Buddy to see if the SO has any spare sirens they aren't using.


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: AE5JU on September 25, 2012, 09:35:26 PM
1. LED amber roof bar with take downs and alley lights. Wig wag headlamps are an absolute must. Additional LED in side windows and trunk lid as well as flashing back up and tail lights. Lights on dash and rear deck. Push bumper, cage, flood light, PA, multi-mode siren are optional but preferred.

2. Professional decal job including ARES(c), RACES, SKYWARN, EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS, and "When all else fails" on both sides and trunk. Don't forget to spell EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS backwards on the hood so people can read it in their rear view mirrors.

3. HF, OSCAR, 6m through 10GHz antennas. The more the better even if some aren't hooked up to anything.

4. Plenty of lanyards for all OEM, club, VE, and BJ shopper club ID cards.

5. Change and dollar bills to buy snacks at the fire station vending machine.

You left out the vest.


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: AE5JU on September 25, 2012, 09:39:02 PM
Quote
- LED Head lamp

I have a UV-5R, one of the cheap HTs from across the pond.  I had laughed at the LED flashlight on it... until we lost power during Isaac.

I actually used that up at the club station.

The LED Head Lamps is a very good idea... leaves your hands free.


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: AK4YH on October 01, 2012, 06:28:33 PM
Hello,

I have a Pelican 1400 case, with my Elecraft K1, 2.9Ah battery, end-fed dipole, and a DCP paddle mounted on a Rock-Mite 40.
Not in the case, but with it, a Buddistick.

Gil.


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: KI4SDY on October 03, 2012, 06:00:34 AM
Since this listed under emergency communications, I will assume this is for emergencies and not just for field day.  ;)

If your local ham club is properly organized, why would you have to "go" anywhere? They should have a map with the call signs of each ham radio operator in a neighborhood who can report conditions and needs during a bad situation to the local EMS office. All your equipment is already set up and you are with your family, which is where you should be in a disaster.  :o


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: KD8GTP on October 04, 2012, 03:49:54 PM
A man is only as good as the 'unit' he is responding in when the sh!t hits the fan. The BEST equipped Go Box is of no use if you can't get to the emergency scene 'before' the police/fire depts do. Also having direct communications to the PD/Fire dispatcher is essential. You need to let them know when you 'hit' the scene and are 'out of your unit'. A good PA system is a life saver if you need to clear bystanders from the scene. So get that unit warmed up and the yellow vest at ready. And most important.... Lets be careful out there !


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: AK4YH on October 04, 2012, 04:20:46 PM
Quote
A man is only as good as the 'unit' he is responding in when the sh!t hits the fan. The BEST equipped Go Box is of no use if you can't get to the emergency scene 'before' the police/fire depts do.

That is true assuming that the objective of the go-box is to assist local emergency agencies with communications. It is not true if the go-box's reason to be is gathering potentially life saving information for the benefit of family and friends.

So, it all depends on where you're "going."

Gil.


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: LA9XSA on October 05, 2012, 04:09:55 AM
No, it's not true. He's drunkposting again.  ::)


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: AE5JU on October 17, 2012, 09:50:43 AM
Since this listed under emergency communications, I will assume this is for emergencies and not just for field day.  ;)


Field Day is supposed to be a test of your emergency equipment, not just a QSO party.

Paul - AE5JU


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: KI4SDY on October 23, 2012, 05:43:04 PM
I already said that and you quoted me, so what is your point?  ::)


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: KB8VUL on December 13, 2012, 03:40:39 PM
Hmm, I can't believe I am going to reply to this, mostly because I would not GO so it's really not a GO Kit, but it's portable, transports the radios, and can be deployed in remote locations with no external power supply available so it fits the description.

Radios
VHF 512 channel 50 watt Astro Spectra with P-25
VHF 128 channel 110 watt Spectra
UHF 128 Channel 110 watt Spectra (Motorola)
Icom 706 with tuner.
Motorola laptop with programming software and RIB to make changes to commercial radios (Spectras listed above)

B&W folded dummy load antenna (folded dipole) 160 - 10
OFC dipole 80 - 10 (both antennas are in a bag for easy transport.
Air ball launcher w/12 volt compressor (can also be used to air up tires)
48 foot break down mast (aluminum sections)
tower harness, ropes and other gear if climb is warranted
6 bank gang charger with combo of VHF and UHF HT 750 and 1250 HT's
UHF repeater powered from 12 volt or 110 source for local comms

large cooler for food
5 gallon water cooler
double six pack coolers (2) for food/ pop

6 man tent, sleeping bags, weeks worth of clothing,  fire ring, camp stove, weapons transport for hunting


Case that carrys it all is 2 tons plus.  4 wheel drive, has on board 1750 AC power, 12 DC power from battereis and 140 amp
generator.  Carries 27 gallons of fuel in on board tank and has rack to carry 20 more gallons in Jerry cans. 

Dodge Branded, Durango Model.

Go kits are for sissies.  Build a truck, or a 4X4 SUV.  Hauls more, goes anywhere, hauls lots of equipment.  It's really a better option.


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: KC8VWM on December 21, 2012, 06:13:31 PM
My fully equipped Go Box is 32 feet long, has it's own built in generator, solar power, a shower, bathroom, fridge and my Go Box starts up with a key and it can be instantly deployed at a moments notice.






Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: KB8VUL on December 25, 2012, 08:25:26 PM
I am not much for the whole emcomm thing.  That being said, I do on occasion go out and setup remote.  I camp alot and the 4X4 SUV gets me into some pretty remote locations.  I have owned a number of 4X4 vehicles and all but one were roomy enough to carry a weeks worth of supplies, gear and still provide space for shelter if needed.  The little Suzuki's are not much for space. but a Ford F-150 with 4 wheel drive and a reasonable set of tires is a formidable vehicle.  Add a cap to the bed with raised shelves in just behind the cab and you have the makings of a go anywhere RV.  Get a drop in camper and you really up the ability.  Draw back to that is it's rather top heavy and tall, limiting it's fuel range and ability to go off road to some degree.

My take would be this.  If I am going to go deploy in a disaster situation, I would think that being able to be fully self contained, and fully mobile would be a better option than a box or bag with a radio and a few extra batteries.   


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: RFDOG on December 28, 2012, 09:43:00 AM
Ah gots me mah freeze dried foood, main gun, backup gun, raydee-o, back-up raydee-o...  sheesh...


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: VE6FGN on February 24, 2013, 04:07:34 PM
Forgive my if I'm stirring things up: I assure you that's not my intent....but I have to ask: why the animosity?

Understand that we have some folk who try a little too hard, others that seem to relish the idea of saving the world.

I'd suggest that there are plenty of hams who respond when called, do what they're asked, and go home when done...without fanfare or a cape.

If I was a young guy looking to do a little community service and read the previous thread, I'd look somewhere else.

Just sayin'.....


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: K1CJS on February 25, 2013, 04:53:07 AM
Forgive my if I'm stirring things up: I assure you that's not my intent....but I have to ask: why the animosity? ...

I guess some people just have to make fun of anything and everything.  Sometimes minimal warning lights are needed, but granted, all too many of these people go too far.  On the other hand, some people are just jealous....   ::)


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: W0DLR on February 25, 2013, 07:48:34 PM
You forgot some items.  A reliable hearing aid and batteries, a working Handi Talkie and batteries, but the antenna is still hoome in the box the HT came in.   A walker, poli-grip, a dead flashlight, prune juice if you are gone over 12 hours, part of a map, and then forget where you are going while enroute.

These items are essential since no one will be responding under 70 years old, for very long at a time.  A pitiful excuse for Emergency Communications.  I don't know why Hams aren't content to let the hobby be just what it is, a hobby.

W0DLR


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: K1CJS on February 26, 2013, 04:37:14 AM
...I don't know why Hams aren't content to let the hobby be just what it is, a hobby.

Or to let it stay as it used to be.  If a ham was needed, he was asked--and didn't have to go through all the rigamarole that these 'new age' volunteer organizers want to shove down everyone's throat. 


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: LA9XSA on February 27, 2013, 05:25:33 PM
Ah, the olden days, when the sheriff would just round up a posse or deputize some farm hand instead of all this business with SWAT teams and crime labs, staffed by people who had to go to some academy or other.

'twas the age when men were men, electricity was akin to magic, and the life expectancy was under 50.

Seriously, it would be a nightmare and take too long to build an emergency communications team up from the ground when an incident happens. Go through the ULS, do background checks, train and exercise, all while lacking communications?
Maybe if it was on a timeline more like a wartime draft, weeks and months, you could do that, but not in an emergency where you're talking hours and days.
I don't know why Hams aren't content to let the hobby be just what it is, a hobby.
You might as well ask volunteers in mountain rescue groups, the Civil Air Patrol or the Red Cross why they don't just "let the hobby be just what it is". Radio amateurs have always helped their fellow citizens, as far as I know. It's even enshrined in the purpose of amateur radio, in international conventions and in US law.


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: K1CJS on February 28, 2013, 04:01:30 AM
...Seriously, it would be a nightmare and take too long to build an emergency communications team up from the ground when an incident happens. Go through the ULS, do background checks, train and exercise, all while lacking communications?
Maybe if it was on a timeline more like a wartime draft, weeks and months, you could do that, but not in an emergency where you're talking hours and days....

Before all the ridiculousness started, that is, before the ideas of "doing it right" came along, officials who knew the hams who would volunteer had a loose group already figured out.  No, there was no training, the person in charge told the group what was needed then, at the beginning of the emergency.  The hams were known, so no "background checks" were needed.  There wasn't any stylized training, the hams knew what was needed and expected already, and the needed communications were there--not lacking.  The CAP and mountain rescue groups were and are special cases as in those groups had their specialized training already.  The Red Cross also, but not to the extent of the other two.

Then came the need for training, the need to make everything exactly the same, the need for classes and standardization, intrusive background checks and everything else that was--all of a sudden--a requirement!  Granted, it has streamlined some areas of volunteer work, but it has thrown one huge monkey wrench into the works that sometimes one wonders if all of the new requirements were worth it.

I guess what I'm saying is this:  Before, you got the call because you and your capability was known--and you got the job done.  Now you've got to prove that you can do handstands and jump through hoops--and all to do the same thing as was done before all the "new and better ways to do things" were even thought of.

Dotted i's and crossed t's are all well and good, but when someone suffers--or even dies--because all the i's have to be dotted and all the t's crossed before anyone can even start doing what is needed, there is something definitely wrong with the system.


Title: RE: Whats in your "GO Box"?
Post by: LA9XSA on February 28, 2013, 05:58:18 AM
and the needed communications were there--not lacking.
We're talking about communications emergencies here though. In the worst case, the served agency could have zero communications when the incident happens. That communications disruption could be the very emergency. If it's agreed with the served agency in advance, a few volunteers could show up at pre-determined locations if a certain event happens, re-estblish communications, and call out further volunteers if needed. I know some groups have such agreements in place, but if random people just spontaneously showed up offering help, they might only add to the chaos.

The CAP and mountain rescue groups were and are special cases as in those groups had their specialized training already.
Mountain rescue groups tend to consist of people who had mountain climbing as a hobby before they joined the rescue group. The mountain rescue volunteers already know how to climb when they join, they just need training in skills and procedures specific to rescue - which includes litter belays and hoists, first aid, and how to work with professional emergency services.

In Norway, while this started out in an ad hoc fashion, it has long since been formalized, and they have standard procedures that all members have to follow. They're particularly closely linked to the SAR helicopter service which is run by the Royal Norwegian Air Force.

I know the UK has a similar thing for volunteer cave explorers called the British Cave Rescue Council. I think some of their members have experimented with ground penetrating radio for underground communication in rescue operations too. But I digress.
The Red Cross also, but not to the extent of the other two.
While the Red Cross (nationally, not talking about the ICRC here) does have doctors and nurses, most volunteers join without any experience or training except that which they bring from their daily lives. My local Red Cross chapter goes on stuff like ski trips where they learn about finding shelter, avalanche rescue, etc. but it's also a social thing.

Dotted i's and crossed t's are all well and good, but when someone suffers--or even dies--because all the i's have to be dotted and all the t's crossed before anyone can even start doing what is needed, there is something definitely wrong with the system.
Is that a real problem though? Isn't the idea that the i's are dotted and t's crossed before the incident? This of course leads to "wasted" resources in as much as one spends time training skills that one might never get to use in a "NOPLAY" situation, but the same could be said for DoE radiation response teams, or weapons training for the Sheriff's department in some one horse town that hasn't had a shooting incident in decades.

Ad hoc organizations based on "I know this guy/gal that can help us with that" can sometimes do amazing things, but it would be highly dependent on luck and personal skills.

On the other hand, the best prepared and trained volunteers in the world won't help if the leaders sit on their hands when an emergency happens and fail to actually activate their emergency response volunteers, and mutual aid from other agencies. It might be due to denial, pride, failed loyalty to thier unions, penny pushing, or in the mistaken belief that acting will scare the public (in fact, it would reassure the public). The antidote to this is more exercises for the leaders. If they get used to calling out radio amateurs in training and know what their capabilities and limitations are, they're more likely to call on them when the need arises, I think.

In Norway, we've seen the police chiefs in the north of the country being more proactive in calling on NGOs and other government agencies in emergencies and SAR situations than some districts in the south - and I think that's a personality issue.