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Title: Kosovo
Post by: NU4B on September 12, 2012, 08:28:06 AM
http://www.iaru-r1.org/

So the question remains - How long can the UN, the ITU, and the ARRL ignore this new independent country?


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: K0YHV on September 12, 2012, 12:16:08 PM
For the ARRL to add it to the DXCC countries list, it has to either:

1. Get an assigned ITU prefix-not sure what that involves
2. Become a UN member-currently Russia, amongst others, are blocking UN membership for it.


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: AF3Y on September 12, 2012, 02:19:51 PM
http://www.iaru-r1.org/

So the question remains - How long can the UN, the ITU, and the ARRL ignore this new independent country?

I'm sorry, but from a DXers standpoint..... why do I not care?  Its going to be just another "work at will with a wet noodle" entity.  I WOULD like to see something RARE added tho...... ::)

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: KY6R on September 12, 2012, 05:08:45 PM
It doesn't sound like the conditions that have kept them off the DXCC List have changed, right?


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: N6PSE on September 12, 2012, 09:37:02 PM
Russians have a vote on the UN security council and will block UN admission for Kosovo for who knows how long. Amateur radio is alive and well there albeit with a YU8 prefix. Unless DXCC changes the new entity rules, this will remain in place until if/when UN admission happens.


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: NU1O on September 12, 2012, 10:29:03 PM
I agree with Gene and Rich.  A) It is easy to work and B) nothing has changed with Russia.  Russia is still against Kosovo becoming a country and they have a veto so things will not change.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: K3NRX on September 13, 2012, 06:07:00 AM
I am curious to know what Russia's beef is with Kosovo becoming a country....is it cultural?....Religious?.....Ethnic?...Does it have something to do with the breakup of YU?......Not to get all political on everyone, but I am just wondering what Russia's gripe is......either way, I am not losing sleep over it (as I have had more important troubles to worry about lately), but if I had my drouthers, I'd rather have Kosovo (a real mass of land) on the list than a bunch of pebbles in the water that some say qualifies as a country.....I think you all know what I mean, eh Geno???..... ::) ;).............

V
KA3NRX


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: N5UD on September 13, 2012, 06:42:24 AM
I am curious to know what Russia's beef is with Kosovo becoming a country....is it cultural?....Religious?.....Ethnic?...Does it have something to do with the breakup of YU?......Not to get all political on everyone, but I am just wondering what Russia's gripe is......either way, I am not losing sleep over it (as I have had more important troubles to worry about lately), but if I had my drouthers, I'd rather have Kosovo (a real mass of land) on the list than a bunch of pebbles in the water that some say qualifies as a country.....I think you all know what I mean, eh Geno???..... ::) ;).............

V
KA3NRX

I thought it was because Kosovo is part of Serbia. Serbia has always been a Russian ally. If Serbia says Kosovo is still Serbia and has been for decades. Someone just may as well move on.

I guess the Russians are not into "nation building"

73 Tony N5UD


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: KY6R on September 13, 2012, 08:32:20 AM
Good discussion - this makes sense. It doesn't matter to me one way or the other if and when it is added to the list - I'm much more excited about ZL9HR, Z80B, VK0/H plus a few that I know will be announced to top 20 places for 2013.

Its funny, after working Malpelo, Yemen, Palestine and Iran this year (all considered rare for the West Coast - and only Malpelo being "easy") I've become addicted to the really rare ones - they have been driving me to really get into designing and building the antennas that will help me snag them. That has made DXCC all that much more fun in the process.

Kosovo as a new one will be as exciting as the "PJ's" were for me. Easy and only mildly exciting.

And now I completely understand why entities that are only "pebbles in the sea" will remain on the list until they end up like this:

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/qsl-history/undefined/7J1RL.jpg

One day I will do a DXCC Sleuth blog on it. Its one of the most amazing activations ever.






Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: AB8MA on September 13, 2012, 11:53:16 AM
That's amazing. One entire entity in one photograph.


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: N5UD on September 13, 2012, 01:00:53 PM
Good discussion - this makes sense. It doesn't matter to me one way or the other if and when it is added to the list - I'm much more excited about ZL9HR, Z80B, VK0/H plus a few that I know will be announced to top 20 places for 2013.

Its funny, after working Malpelo, Yemen, Palestine and Iran this year (all considered rare for the West Coast - and only Malpelo being "easy") I've become addicted to the really rare ones - they have been driving me to really get into designing and building the antennas that will help me snag them. That has made DXCC all that much more fun in the process.

Kosovo as a new one will be as exciting as the "PJ's" were for me. Easy and only mildly exciting.

And now I completely understand why entities that are only "pebbles in the sea" will remain on the list until they end up like this:

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/qsl-history/undefined/7J1RL.jpg

One day I will do a DXCC Sleuth blog on it. Its one of the most amazing activations ever.






verticals should be killers on ...... that rock ?

I have that QSL !
73 Tony N5UD


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: W4PC on September 18, 2012, 01:40:26 PM
Good discussion - this makes sense. It doesn't matter to me one way or the other if and when it is added to the list - I'm much more excited about ZL9HR, Z80B, VK0/H plus a few that I know will be announced to top 20 places for 2013.

Its funny, after working Malpelo, Yemen, Palestine and Iran this year (all considered rare for the West Coast - and only Malpelo being "easy") I've become addicted to the really rare ones - they have been driving me to really get into designing and building the antennas that will help me snag them. That has made DXCC all that much more fun in the process.

Kosovo as a new one will be as exciting as the "PJ's" were for me. Easy and only mildly exciting.

And now I completely understand why entities that are only "pebbles in the sea" will remain on the list until they end up like this:

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/qsl-history/undefined/7J1RL.jpg

One day I will do a DXCC Sleuth blog on it. Its one of the most amazing activations ever.






IARU 79, 'nuff said ;)


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: NU4B on September 18, 2012, 02:16:58 PM
I can't find anywhere the group there is actually asking for DXCC status. They may have hinted at it, but they seem to be more focused on establishing amateur radio there and the establishment of an amateur radio society.

I may have missed it, but even the link at the Z60K QRZ.com page makes references to current and future problems that could effect independence status - including that NATO forces will remain in the country, presumably until an agreement with Serbia and Kosovo is reached.

Although it would be a nice QSL to have from a history point of view - the DXCC rules are clear, so unless they have a secret ITU callsign block assigned - I don't think the rules should be bent. To do otherwise would mock the current rules.

Well after I wrote the above, I found this on their clublog logs:

"Provisionally The Republic of Kosovo - pending news from ARRL"

so.......?


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: N5UD on September 18, 2012, 02:57:19 PM
Well it was asked as to objections for a Republic of Kosovo. To my knowledge there has never been one.
The area and Albania has always been administered by one power or another. Ottomans, Austro-Hungary, Italy, Greece, Germans, Yuogoslavia, and Serbia.
Since WWII Kosovo has been an area of Serbia.

Now back to religions and Albania. As Ottomans had control for many years, there was a strong Muslim following. The communist Albanians tried to
eradicate all religions in the 1970's as I recall. Had some success, but obviously stirred the pot in that area.

Well next we have Clinton interveneing in the area in late 1990's. The bombing campaigns etc. I am not saying what is right or wrong. But you know there was ethnic 
re-distribution. Certainly a controversial area. U.N. and US say this, the Russians and Serbs say otherwise.
As I understand it, even China sides with Serbia.

I guess this effort is at showing that the local Pristina, Kosovo government is in charge.


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: AF3Y on September 18, 2012, 02:57:27 PM
Some recent interesting comments on working Kosovo on the clusters (As Usual. hi). A NA ham noted "WFWL, up 3", and a German ham replied something like " Not good, illegal to communicate with.....".



Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: NU4B on September 18, 2012, 04:24:46 PM
Well it was asked as to objections for a Republic of Kosovo. To my knowledge there has never been one.
The area and Albania has always been administered by one power or another. Ottomans, Austro-Hungary, Italy, Greece, Germans, Yuogoslavia, and Serbia.
Since WWII Kosovo has been an area of Serbia.

Now back to religions and Albania. As Ottomans had control for many years, there was a strong Muslim following. The communist Albanians tried to
eradicate all religions in the 1970's as I recall. Had some success, but obviously stirred the pot in that area.

Well next we have Clinton interveneing in the area in late 1990's. The bombing campaigns etc. I am not saying what is right or wrong. But you know there was ethnic 
re-distribution. Certainly a controversial area. U.N. and US say this, the Russians and Serbs say otherwise.
As I understand it, even China sides with Serbia.

I guess this effort is at showing that the local Pristina, Kosovo government is in charge.

China and Russia are not much interested in Serbia or Kosovo as they are worried about international recognition of areas of their own countries that would rather be separated from the "mother" country. They don't want to set any precedents.
Your simple history of the area is....... simple and lacking.


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: N5UD on September 18, 2012, 04:58:37 PM
Well it was asked as to objections for a Republic of Kosovo. To my knowledge there has never been one.
The area and Albania has always been administered by one power or another. Ottomans, Austro-Hungary, Italy, Greece, Germans, Yuogoslavia, and Serbia.
Since WWII Kosovo has been an area of Serbia.

Now back to religions and Albania. As Ottomans had control for many years, there was a strong Muslim following. The communist Albanians tried to
eradicate all religions in the 1970's as I recall. Had some success, but obviously stirred the pot in that area.

Well next we have Clinton interveneing in the area in late 1990's. The bombing campaigns etc. I am not saying what is right or wrong. But you know there was ethnic 
re-distribution. Certainly a controversial area. U.N. and US say this, the Russians and Serbs say otherwise.
As I understand it, even China sides with Serbia.

I guess this effort is at showing that the local Pristina, Kosovo government is in charge.

China and Russia are not much interested in Serbia or Kosovo as they are worried about international recognition of areas of their own countries that would rather be separated from the "mother" country. They don't want to set any precedents.
Your simple history of the area is....... simple and lacking.

Another good point.
My explanation was meant to be simple. If I left out some governing body of consequence, please add it.
I think the main point is Kosovo has been governed by many in the last 100 years.


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: K0YHV on September 18, 2012, 06:41:01 PM
Well it was asked as to objections for a Republic of Kosovo. To my knowledge there has never been one.
The area and Albania has always been administered by one power or another. Ottomans, Austro-Hungary, Italy, Greece, Germans, Yuogoslavia, and Serbia.
Since WWII Kosovo has been an area of Serbia.

Now back to religions and Albania. As Ottomans had control for many years, there was a strong Muslim following. The communist Albanians tried to
eradicate all religions in the 1970's as I recall. Had some success, but obviously stirred the pot in that area.

Well next we have Clinton interveneing in the area in late 1990's. The bombing campaigns etc. I am not saying what is right or wrong. But you know there was ethnic 
re-distribution. Certainly a controversial area. U.N. and US say this, the Russians and Serbs say otherwise.
As I understand it, even China sides with Serbia.

I guess this effort is at showing that the local Pristina, Kosovo government is in charge.

China and Russia are not much interested in Serbia or Kosovo as they are worried about international recognition of areas of their own countries that would rather be separated from the "mother" country. They don't want to set any precedents.
Your simple history of the area is....... simple and lacking.

Another good point.
My explanation was meant to be simple. If I left out some governing body of consequence, please add it.
I think the main point is Kosovo has been governed by many in the last 100 years.


Kosovo was part of Serbia long before WWII.  I think it goes back to the middle of the 19th Century when Serbia went independent from the Ottoman Empire.  As far as I know, Kosovo was part of Serbia then, and has been ever since. 

John AF5CC


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: W0XX on September 20, 2012, 11:13:51 AM
All about politics and ethnic strife...neither are any business of the amateur radio population....

Been tough to work from here (no, I don't have a mega tower with rotatable everythings on it).  Conditions have been poor, they aren't on much at 2200 UTC for our area, and when on, i.e. 30 or 40, very weak.  Then you have to deal with all the pirates out there playing games. 

Would rather they bide their time until the issue is resolve, THEN, put a team in there to do it right....not important who did it first, just be mindful of the political climate, sensitivities, etc., then ask about doing a good expedition.  Seems like much of this is ramming it through, but I don't know all the details (nor do I care).  Just another activity to work for to get it in the log under adverse conditions, and as they say, WFWL.

They are certainly beating the EU and East Coast to death with QSOs for sure.  I know many in my area still waiting for a good chance during the evenings to try, along with the brothers further to the West....

Again, all about politics....and with hard feelings and "issues" unresolved....hard to say...


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: N4KC on September 20, 2012, 12:09:42 PM
Quote
All about politics and ethnic strife...neither are any business of the amateur radio population....

Exactly.  It's a ham radio station in another part of the world and I'd like to put him in the log...whether it induces a tally mark on my "entities list" or not.  And I will not strain too much in an attempt to do so.

What I don't need are the grating tirades, salty language, and screams of, "Pee-rat!  Pee-rat!  Do not QSO.  Illegal!"  And all delivered without benefit of station identification.  I look at that, though, as just another challenge and it spurs me on to actually to try to contact Z60K.

Don N4KC
www.n4kc.com
www.donkeith.com
 
 


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: KH6DC on September 20, 2012, 12:39:00 PM
Well the official word's out from the ARRL that Z60K, Kosovo is not an official DXCC Entity.  Their reason was Kosovo is not yet a member of the U.N. and IARU/ITU has not assigned it a block of callsign prefixes.


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: AF3Y on September 20, 2012, 04:46:40 PM
Well the official word's out from the ARRL that Z60K, Kosovo is not an official DXCC Entity.  Their reason was Kosovo is not yet a member of the U.N. and IARU/ITU has not assigned it a block of callsign prefixes.

So where did they come up with the Z60K callsign?   ???  73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: W2IRT on September 20, 2012, 05:06:38 PM
So where did they come up with the Z60K callsign?   ???  73, Gene AF3Y

Precisely. If it wasn't assigned to the Kosovar government by some governing agency, then how can the activity count for anything at all? If it was Serbia they'd need to be using a Serbian-authorized prefix.


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: K3VAT on September 20, 2012, 06:24:39 PM
It's the Z60K Contest!  Leaderboards are in full swing https://secure.clublog.org/charts/?c=Z60K#r (https://secure.clublog.org/charts/?c=Z60K#r); pileups are competitive.   :-[ :-[



Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: W9XX on September 20, 2012, 07:13:33 PM
It's the Z60K Contest!  Leaderboards are in full swing https://secure.clublog.org/charts/?c=Z60K#r (https://secure.clublog.org/charts/?c=Z60K#r); pileups are competitive.   :-[ :-[



Well I lead on the pirate board.4 qso's with Z60K and only 1 good one. Whats the Country number fo a pirate so I can collect the different pirate station. Maybe I can get DXCC pirates.














Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: WA2TPU on September 20, 2012, 07:45:50 PM
Frankly, this is all quite confusing. I'm not sure what is valid as far if its a new country or not. Certainly, I'm glad for everyone stating their opinions and thoughts- its enlightening to say the very least. However, I don't understand how a license could be issued/granted for the Republic of Kosovo since there's no information listed anywhere( I can't find) including/referencing the United Nations list of countries. Is there any information available anywhere that is factual pertaining to the Republic of Kosovo?
Best regards and many 73 to all.
Don sr. - WA2TPU


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: WA2TPU on September 20, 2012, 07:49:24 PM
My apologies fellow hams.....I did NOT see this previous post ---
Best regards and many 73.
Don sr. - WA2TPU

from www.iaru-r1.org:
Monday, September 10, 2012 marked the end of supervised independence of the Republic of Kosovo, a European country with a population of 2 million, and the beginning of its status as a fully sovereign state. The ceremonies featured a keynote address by a former UN Envoy for Kosovo, President Martti Ahtisaari of Finland, an architect of the March 26, 2007 Comprehensive Proposal for the Kosovo Status Settlement which now came to its completion. In his speech at Monday's special session of the Kosovo Parliament, President Ahtisaari stated: “Five years ago I offered to the Secretary-General of the United Nations a blueprint for a sovereign, multi-ethnic democracy called Kosovo. Today we celebrate the full and final adoption of the principles and structures of that blueprint into the institutions, the processes, and the legal framework of an independent, functioning state." Pursuant to the Settlement Proposal, an International Steering Group (ISG) - consisting of twenty-five countries - was formed to oversee and guide the development of good governance, multi-ethnicity and rule of law in Kosovo. The ISG has now completed its duties, allowing Kosovo to continue with full sovereignty and the management of its own affairs as a member of the world community.


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: N5UD on September 21, 2012, 02:42:02 AM
Well the official word's out from the ARRL that Z60K, Kosovo is not an official DXCC Entity.  Their reason was Kosovo is not yet a member of the U.N. and IARU/ITU has not assigned it a block of callsign prefixes.

So where did they come up with the Z60K callsign?   ???  73, Gene AF3Y

I read where it came from aviation assignments. Tail numbers.

I just visited ITU-R website. No Z6 at ITU-R. No Kosovo. No news or notice. There is Z8 for South Sudan.
73 Tony N5UD


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: W0XX on September 21, 2012, 05:41:50 AM
That's amazing. One entire entity in one photograph.

And moring, that didn't count as a new one but the BS7 did...look familiar?


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: KH6DC on September 22, 2012, 11:35:22 PM
All about politics and ethnic strife...neither are any business of the amateur radio population....

Been tough to work from here (no, I don't have a mega tower with rotatable everythings on it).  Conditions have been poor, they aren't on much at 2200 UTC for our area, and when on, i.e. 30 or 40, very weak.  Then you have to deal with all the pirates out there playing games. 

Would rather they bide their time until the issue is resolve, THEN, put a team in there to do it right....not important who did it first, just be mindful of the political climate, sensitivities, etc., then ask about doing a good expedition.  Seems like much of this is ramming it through, but I don't know all the details (nor do I care).  Just another activity to work for to get it in the log under adverse conditions, and as they say, WFWL.

They are certainly beating the EU and East Coast to death with QSOs for sure.  I know many in my area still waiting for a good chance during the evenings to try, along with the brothers further to the West....

Again, all about politics....and with hard feelings and "issues" unresolved....hard to say...

Well put!


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: NN3W on September 23, 2012, 04:23:26 AM
Well it was asked as to objections for a Republic of Kosovo. To my knowledge there has never been one.
The area and Albania has always been administered by one power or another. Ottomans, Austro-Hungary, Italy, Greece, Germans, Yuogoslavia, and Serbia.
Since WWII Kosovo has been an area of Serbia.

Now back to religions and Albania. As Ottomans had control for many years, there was a strong Muslim following. The communist Albanians tried to
eradicate all religions in the 1970's as I recall. Had some success, but obviously stirred the pot in that area.

Well next we have Clinton interveneing in the area in late 1990's. The bombing campaigns etc. I am not saying what is right or wrong. But you know there was ethnic 
re-distribution. Certainly a controversial area. U.N. and US say this, the Russians and Serbs say otherwise.
As I understand it, even China sides with Serbia.

I guess this effort is at showing that the local Pristina, Kosovo government is in charge.

China and Russia are not much interested in Serbia or Kosovo as they are worried about international recognition of areas of their own countries that would rather be separated from the "mother" country. They don't want to set any precedents.

Bingo.  Can anyone say the words Chechnya and Tibet?


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: N5UD on October 01, 2012, 09:39:44 AM
Well it was asked as to objections for a Republic of Kosovo. To my knowledge there has never been one.
The area and Albania has always been administered by one power or another. Ottomans, Austro-Hungary, Italy, Greece, Germans, Yuogoslavia, and Serbia.
Since WWII Kosovo has been an area of Serbia.

Now back to religions and Albania. As Ottomans had control for many years, there was a strong Muslim following. The communist Albanians tried to
eradicate all religions in the 1970's as I recall. Had some success, but obviously stirred the pot in that area.

Well next we have Clinton interveneing in the area in late 1990's. The bombing campaigns etc. I am not saying what is right or wrong. But you know there was ethnic 
re-distribution. Certainly a controversial area. U.N. and US say this, the Russians and Serbs say otherwise.
As I understand it, even China sides with Serbia.

I guess this effort is at showing that the local Pristina, Kosovo government is in charge.

China and Russia are not much interested in Serbia or Kosovo as they are worried about international recognition of areas of their own countries that would rather be separated from the "mother" country. They don't want to set any precedents.

Bingo.  Can anyone say the words Chechnya and Tibet?
Well here is an interesting take. I met this guy from Macedonia last week while on a trip.
I inquired as to whether he had any opinion on the Kosovo Republic situation.
"It is the US. They wanted a naval base in Albania, so they are doing whatever to please Albania."

I didn't pursue the matter.

73 Tony N5UD


Title: RE: Kosovo
Post by: KB2FCV on October 01, 2012, 10:09:20 AM
I completely missed this activation due to my antenna being blown down by a wind storm. The lazy and idiot author of this post (me) forgot to let out a little slack in my antenna to allow for the 60-70mph gusts rolling through. Lesson learned by having to re-install my antenna which included a dip in the river behind my house to retrieve the other end of my slingshot antenna thingy.

Hopefully there will be other activations soon...