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Title: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: N4NYY on September 17, 2012, 04:54:03 PM
OK. My club just had our local hamfest. A couple vendors/tailgaters were selling these Boafeng radios. I think they were $60. I could not believe how many were flying off the shelves. I am seriously starting to thing that the vast majority of hams are really cheap. The biggest complaints I here about things are "cheap Chinese" quality, but they are the first ones in line to buy them. I am glad I got my FT-60 and don't mind paying the extra $100.


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: N0SOY on September 17, 2012, 07:40:36 PM
I have a few of these radio and am quite happy with them.  They are what they are.  The little 2 watt ones fill the void that Alinco vacated dropping the half watt models.  I have two and they work fine If you know the limitations.  I just go a UV5R and so far is seems to be fine.  Seems easier to program then my Icom duel band HT and cost a lot less. 

The big 3 1/2 need to realize that hams are not made of money and that they come out with basic low dollar equipment with out the bells and whistles. 

Like it or not the Chinese radios are coming and the big 3 1/2 need to take note. 

BTW Hams are not cheap they are greedy, only a greedy person would try to sell a used smoke smelling radio for $10 less then a new one. 


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: KE4VVF on September 17, 2012, 09:48:37 PM
When the price of essentials like meat, gas, bread and heating fuel have doubled in just a few years it is expected that Hams will gravitate toward inexpensive radio equipment.  Just wait until the latest round of Quantitative Easing, otherwise know as irresponsible money printing, devalues our dollars even more.  Yaesu, Icom and Kenwood may become something only attainable by someone who lives the "Lifestyle of the Rich and Famous". 

Frankly, Middle Class Hams have taken a huge hit financially and many find themselves in jobs making HALF of what they earned 5 years ago.   



Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: KJ6ZOL on September 17, 2012, 10:52:27 PM
When the price of essentials like meat, gas, bread and heating fuel have doubled in just a few years it is expected that Hams will gravitate toward inexpensive radio equipment.  Just wait until the latest round of Quantitative Easing, otherwise know as irresponsible money printing, devalues our dollars even more.  Yaesu, Icom and Kenwood may become something only attainable by someone who lives the "Lifestyle of the Rich and Famous". 

Frankly, Middle Class Hams have taken a huge hit financially and many find themselves in jobs making HALF of what they earned 5 years ago.   



Precisely. The Baofengs are really nice radios, from what I've heard. I plan to get one, and program it with a PC and third party software. If you're just looking for basic voice ops, like me, then Baofeng works great. By the way, if you want a REAL DEAL on the UV-5R, head to Ebay. Somebody is selling it for $34 now. The Big Three just got blown out of the water, like what happened to Sony when Tecsun and Degen aimed a Chinese economic cruise missile at them. As far as QE6,573 goes, it's the only way to pay the debt. Print money, pay debt in devalued dollars, then chuck the old money in favor of new. You've just ruined the country, but so what.

By the way, there's a site called preparedham.com that focuses on the survival aspect of hamming. It is in desperate need of some Elmers, so if that's you, get on over there and contribute.


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: N4NYY on September 18, 2012, 05:03:38 AM
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BTW Hams are not cheap they are greedy, only a greedy person would try to sell a used smoke smelling radio for $10 less then a new one. 

Very good point. You all make good points.


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: 2E0JTP on September 18, 2012, 05:16:57 AM
I do know that the receiver on the UV-5R tends to suffer from overload from nearby strong signals, but for the price it's a small complaint considering I've seen the same problems on radios costing 5X the price.

You can pretty much buy it with the view to it being disposable. You're never going to worry too much about dropping it, or scratching the case, or rubbing the letters off.

Maybe a $34 radio will even find itself in your pocket more often?  ;D



Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: KQ6EA on September 18, 2012, 11:57:30 AM
One of my radio club members travels to Singapore and Hong Kong for business on a regular basis, and he recently brought back a satchel full of the UV-3R HT's.

He was selling them for his cost, something like $48, so I bought a cammo one to play with.

It actually "feels" better constructed than I thought it would. From inside the house I can't hit my favorite repeater, but step outside, and it works OK. Not bad for a little 2 Watt radio. Receive has plenty of volume, and sounds fine for a $50 radio.

My YF immediately fell in love with it, and gave me back the VX-6R I had bought for her when she passed her tech license!

An eBay search brought the programming cable and cigarette lighter adapter, and with a Larsen mag-mount, she now has a mobile rig, too.

Jim


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: N1RND on September 18, 2012, 05:04:58 PM
I have one of these on the way.  It is the latest "E" model.  I could not believe that you get an HT so cheap, untill I started researching the subject.  I was never much of a vhf guy but when I realized I could buy one at this price, what the heck.  How can I feel guilty when all of the "big name" equipment is also made in the Orient to.


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: N4NYY on September 18, 2012, 05:53:56 PM
The economy vs cost posts were fair points, which I did not consider in the first post. I have noticed how the big 3 have come out with mid range $3,000-4,000 rigs, which is out of most people's league.


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: KC8OYE on September 23, 2012, 11:41:35 AM
I can't comment on the Baofeng's.. but I do have a Wouxon (which is basically the same thing).. and for a 'cheap Chinese' HT, it's been FABULOUS!  it struggles in HIGH RF enviroments (like when I'm standing in a transmitter room with a 5KW FM transmitter and a 25KW TV transmitter  :D )  but i've never had intermod issues with it.  i've dropped it a couple times with no major issues.
there are certain 'limitations' that some may find a problem, but for the price  (I got my HT, a 2nd battery, and the programming cable for $130 shipped) i think the average ham would be crazy not to own one!!

side note: *BUY* the programming cable and software!! they are a **** to program w/o it!

This HT doesn't compare to my $400 Alinco DJ-G5E I bought years ago (That also exploded when it hit the ground) but for the price, i'm seriously considering the 2m/220 unit as well.


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: VA3WXM on September 25, 2012, 06:11:15 AM
The handhelds seems to be quite cost-effective and actually do the job surprisingly well.

The mobile models coming do not have near the cost advantage over similar radios from YaeComWood.  In this instance for a few extra dollars I'll go with the name-brand.


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: KC8OYE on September 25, 2012, 07:58:12 AM
i agree.. after reading eds post, i'd rather have the brand name...


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: HS0ZJU on October 11, 2012, 08:09:59 AM
Now at amazon for $46.90 shipped hard to get past that price.

Enjoy.  http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007H4VT7A/ref=nosim/?ascsubtag=FWb6ah6n&tag=fatwalletcom&linkCode=as1


73 marc hs0zju


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: K2OWK on October 11, 2012, 11:36:30 PM
Amazon also carries the accessories for the HT. Speaker mike, program cable and case.


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: K1CJS on October 12, 2012, 04:43:48 AM
I have a few of these radio.....  They are what they are..... 

You get what you pay for.  And I agree that they are what they are.  Junk.

Those of you who are promoting purchasing them--just remember what you're promoting when you're being forced to learn the Chinese language and bow and scrape to your new masters in China.  If things keep happening the way that they are progressing, China won't have to conquer us, they'll OWN us!


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: YO9IRF on October 12, 2012, 08:12:37 AM
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Those of you who are promoting purchasing them--just remember what you're promoting when you're being forced to learn the Chinese language and bow and scrape to your new masters in China.  If things keep happening the way that they are progressing, China won't have to conquer us, they'll OWN us!

Yes, they are the planet's evil, they are bringing technology to market at a low price. They should start liberating oil-rich countries to become the good guys.


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: K1CJS on October 13, 2012, 06:38:11 AM
Yes, they are the planet's evil, they are bringing technology to market at a low price. They should start liberating oil-rich countries to become the good guys.

Didn't say that.  To some, we in the US are the planet's evil for trying to force our own views and way of life on other nations.  We should have learned our lesson in Vietnam--we lost there, and that nation is doing just fine today.

What I did say is that if China comes into the US, they wouldn't hesitate to force their ways on us. 

Whatever happened to live and let live?


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: K0JEG on October 14, 2012, 01:50:38 PM
Those of you who are promoting purchasing them--just remember what you're promoting when you're being forced to learn the Chinese language and bow and scrape to your new masters in China.  If things keep happening the way that they are progressing, China won't have to conquer us, they'll OWN us!

I remember the same thing said about Japan. Then we shifted electronics to digital devices networked together and they couldn't keep up.

Ultimately the Chinese will be taken down by the next information revolution, 3d printing and other robotic manufacturing. Why build something in China, ship it across the Pacific, store it somewhere and then overland to the consumer when you can get something made at a local shop (or your home)? Instead of shipping finished product, ship semi-processed materials that can be easily formed, colored, shaped, etc on site at the retail location. The retail model shifts to something like a restaurant model, where production, sales and delivery all happen almost at the same time.


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: K1CJS on October 15, 2012, 05:45:53 AM
I remember the same thing said about Japan....

Yeah.  And look at where we are now, not only with Japan, but with other nations as well.  BTW, did you see where a Japanese bank has just purchased (yes, depending on approvals) a majority share of Sprint?  Just as has been said, they didn't win WWII--yet.   ::)

Putting that aside, there is one major difference between China and Japan.  China does not deny piracy and theft of other country's intellectual property and says openly that they don't care what other nations think about it.  Japan and our other trading partners do not do that--at least not to the extent China does. 


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: W9MT on October 28, 2012, 12:29:21 AM
I recently purchased a TYT TH-UVF9 (220/440), and shortly afterward a Baofeng UV-5R+ (2m/440).

Why?

Because I wanted to cover all 3 bands, plus I figured that 220/440 would be more efficient from a stock duckie standpoint. (I based this on prior experience with the stock duck on a Standard C-508 that I bought back in 1997 and still have and use a lot.)

I also wanted to try out both brands to see what all of the buzz was about. So far, it seems that with the stock antenna the TYT is not as efficient on 440 receive as it is on 220. (Not surprising.) I just got my Baofeng unit today and am just digging into it. It looks like a well constructed unit, and the audio sounded good when listening to it on the TYT and on my Radio Shack HTX-202/404 radios. (Which I'm never getting rid of. They're gold standards, as far as I am concerned.)

I'm having fun. The fun did not cost me much money...and this is really is a hobby, albeit one that can also have wonderful public service aspects to it. But since it's my money, and discretionary income in this economy is shrinking, I'm careful about how I "fund my fun".

With regard to the angst being expressed about "Chinese junk" and the Chinese "attacking the Japanese 'big 3 1/2' ", I can only say this...

I repaired TV's back in the 70's at a TV repair shop at which I worked to keep me in college money and a car. The Japanese, and later the Koreans were accused of dumping their products into the American marketplace at less than cost. A lot of wailing occurred and nothing of substance as an answer occurred. Instead, the American consumer electronics industry either exited the business or sold out to the Japanese and Koreans. Recall Motorola selling its Consumer business (then labelled Quasar Eltx.) to Matsushita in 1974, and Zenith becoming a Korean company after their foray into HDTV failed.

American companies did not evolve, and did not even try to compete. Now the Japanese and the Koreans are getting similar medicine from their Chinese competitors.

Some of the smarter Japanese companies are having their TV's, Blue Ray players, and stereo equipment made in Indonesia, Vietnam, and Thailand. These are countries interested in building their manufacturing base, and NOT stealing designs and know-how.

I recommend the big 3 1/2 do more of that to compete in 2 way radio and ham equipment. Remember the ADI 147/247/447? Those were Korean copies of the Kenwood TM-231/331/431, only severely cost reduced,...and it showed. (They were the Baofeng's and TYT's of their day.)

So now Kenwood is playing a similar game in reverse and outsourcing more of their single band VHF radios to places like the countries I mentioned, and not China. Their high ticket stuff still comes from Japan. (Good diversification move with the older technology!!!)

So, in closing, there ARE ways to blunt the Chinese move on the ham market. One just has to be clever about HOW to compete.

If a company just wants to chase the "almighty dollar" (term actually invented by Washington Irving in the early 19th century), however, it should send its technology over to China (as a first choice) and just watch how they'll figure out how to ultimately compete...just like the Japanese were accused of doing to the USA in pocket transistor radios, TV's and other consumer goods so long ago.

Don' t believe me? Just try to find a cellphone that is NOT built in China...or an i-Phone, i-Pad, or i-Anything from Apple. The counterfeit versions and stores to sell them are the next step. (Just guess where those are and where they come from.)

I'd strongly recommend that multi-national companies diversify their manufacturing to other countries, rather than putting the entire recipe into the hands of only the Chinese. Have a few key, critical subassemblies done somewhere else and you protect your intellectual property, even if the final assembly is done in China.

So there's the business challenge facing the "Japanese big 3 1/2" and (I almost forgot) Ten Tec.

Keep an eye on what goes into China and what they're doing with it. Keep also figuring out how to beat them at their own game. Give your supplier and future competitor both the figurative "gun and the bullets" to "shoot you out of business" someday, and it certainly will when it no longer needs you.

Figure out how to protect your technology with careful compartmental isolation of the critical pieces from getting into the hands of a single potential competitor, and you will live to be a thriving company in the future marketplace. (e.g.: There are NO D-STAR radios coming out of China, nor any other Japanese company outside of ICOM, are there?)

It's a jungle out there. Take care and you're the king of it. Be careless and you get eaten.

In the meantime, I'll continue to play with my two Chinese dual-banders, which together cost me less than $150 delivered, and enjoy the experience immensely. (That's less than half the cost of a new Kenwood TH-F6A.) They're not cutting edge, but satisfy my needs for analog FM communications fun for now.



Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: AD4U on November 05, 2012, 12:02:48 PM
Baofeng UV-5 on Amazon.com for $43.50 including shipping.  I just received mine with the programming cable.  I use the free CHIRP programming software, which makes programming easy.

I checked mine out on my Motorola service monitor and receiver performance is on par with my other Yaesu and Kenwood walkie talkies.  I did not try to measure selectivity (adjacent channel rejection).

Best of all it is FCC accepted for commercial and amateur use.

It may not be a mil-spec radio, but for $43.50 I think it is a good deal.  If it breaks, throw it away and buy another one.

Dick  AD4U


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: KK4MEX on November 05, 2012, 03:23:35 PM
This is my first post, I am a new ham looking at these radios as well. I am very interested in the these chinese radios because of price. Lets face it I can get on the local repeater for and learn the in and outs for 50 bux. A good deal if you ask me. It may not be perfect but the other brands have their issues as well(from what I have read)

To all those who bash Chinese products you have a chance tomorrow to vote your opinion. But lets face it, China's unfair business trade is gonna continue. why? Because thats the way we want it. We want ok stuff cheap and thats what they provide, just ok stuff and a very reasonable price. If I want good stuff I pay the additional money. If i want a cheap bathmats or a towel to wipe my behind I run to walmart. I read somewhere that in 1994 93% of what Walmart sold was made in the US or somewhere other than China. Now they provide 95-96% are chinese goods sold there. Sign of the times. I don't know about anyone else but my earned wages haven't kept pace with gas, housing and fuel over the last few years so I am stuck with less expendable cash meaning I have to settle for just ok toys IE Boafeng UV-5R+.

Does anyone think Yaesu or ICOM could build a radio for $50 bux?


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: K1CJS on November 06, 2012, 05:25:36 AM
The change in Wal-Mart was due to one thing and one thing only.  Sam Walton--who owned the controlling shares of Wal-Mart--died.  His heirs sold out the company, and now instead of being the company Sam Walton started to protect American made jobs and goods, it's the worst abuser of the free market system that it can be, and also the worst employer--as far as how it treats its workers that it can be too.  Sam Walton is spinning in his grave.


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: ONAIR on November 07, 2012, 11:58:16 PM
They work pretty darn well for the price.  I'm just waiting for those new Chinese 80 thru 440 all modes to come out for under $300!  :)


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: KE4VVF on November 08, 2012, 01:11:54 PM
They work pretty darn well for the price.  I'm just waiting for those new Chinese 80 thru 440 all modes to come out for under $300!  :)

I doubt that will be their price.  The new 2m/440 mobile dual bander is already priced at $289.


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: N0SOY on November 08, 2012, 09:28:58 PM
I needed some transistor meters to perform some research.  The only resonable priced ones were ones I bought from a HongKong vendor for $55 each.  I needed 10.  I ordered 11 to have a spare.  After hours of use in a less then nice environment only one failed and that was because I dropped it two flights of stairs.   The "American" vendors were significantly higher priced and were made in China.   ::)


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: ONAIR on November 10, 2012, 11:33:30 AM
They work pretty darn well for the price.  I'm just waiting for those new Chinese 80 thru 440 all modes to come out for under $300!  :)

I doubt that will be their price.  The new 2m/440 mobile dual bander is already priced at $289.
  True, but isn't that partially because they just came out?  I would presume that they may drop to around $160 or so after they get into full production.


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: K1CJS on November 11, 2012, 06:46:10 AM
  True, but isn't that partially because they just came out?  I would presume that they may drop to around $160 or so after they get into full production.

If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I can sell you real cheap!


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: ONAIR on November 11, 2012, 09:19:34 PM
  True, but isn't that partially because they just came out?  I would presume that they may drop to around $160 or so after they get into full production.

If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I can sell you real cheap!
   Was it made in China? :)


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: K1CJS on November 12, 2012, 04:09:31 AM
No, Japan.  It's been here a few decades.   :D  If that one isn't practical for you I've got another out west that was made and England and then moved here! ;D


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: ONAIR on November 16, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
No, Japan.  It's been here a few decades.   :D  If that one isn't practical for you I've got another out west that was made and England and then moved here! ;D
  Is that the one in Lake Havasu City?


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: KT0DD on November 24, 2012, 09:27:00 AM
yep, that's the one!... ;D


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: KC9MSG on February 06, 2013, 06:57:47 PM
I just bought a baofeng uv-5ra for around $55.00 with 2 day shipping, it was a little bit of a pain to program with the keypad but doable with access to the internet for instructions that are understandable. so far it is a great little radio.


Title: RE: Boafeng 2M/400 HT
Post by: KE6CT on February 07, 2013, 09:48:22 AM
There are a few hams taking about a new Bao Feng UV-B5. It's not available in the U.S. yet but it can be purchased on 409Shop or AliExpress.  I haven't researched this yet but it's supposed to be better than the UV-5R.