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Title: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: S51M on October 31, 2012, 12:31:20 PM
Dear CW friends!

CW activity will die near 2037. That opinion came from our two "big" local radioamateurs.

CW robots/ experts/decoders are the only future (especially in the contest).

Is this true? What do you think about this?


73
S51M




Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: AB9NZ on October 31, 2012, 12:40:14 PM
I'll only be 76 then, I hope I'm still pounding brass!
   Tom, ab9nz


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: K3STX on October 31, 2012, 12:47:37 PM
Tom. I'll be 74, at least we will be able to talk to each other.

I think there will be plenty of CW then, but I suspect it will be decoded by computer. In the old days RTTY was with a teletype machine, now we use computers. No reason think CW will be any different.

Now guys who use their BRAIN to send and receive, that might be WAY down by then, but I don't think gone.

paul


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: AE4RV on October 31, 2012, 12:51:05 PM
I'll be in my 60s!

I think as long as people chase DX there will be individual brains decoding CW.


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: AG6WT on October 31, 2012, 01:22:37 PM
But then hand keyed CW will make a resurgence in January 19, 2038 03:14:07 GMT when half the world's computers die.


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: AA4PB on October 31, 2012, 01:24:08 PM
"I think there will be plenty of CW then, but I suspect it will be decoded by computer. In the old days RTTY was with a teletype machine, now we use computers. No reason think CW will be any different."

There is a difference. RTTY has always been generated by machine with near perfect timing. It was a natural for being decoded by electronics in lieu of a mechanical computer (the teleprinter). Hand-sent CW however has very loose timing which makes it quite difficult for a machine to decode.

Now computers do a lot better job of decoding CW when a computer is used to generate the CW keying. Still, the simple on/off modulation of CW will never keep up with more modern encoding techniques like some of the newer modes with PSK and error correction, in terms of low-error copy in a noisy environment like HF. If you are going to use a computer to generate the message and another computer to decode and display that message then you will always be better off using a more advanced modulation technique than simple CW.

The primary advantage of CW is that it is simple in terms of equipment needed and it can be encoded and decoded by a human. As soon as you add a computers to the mix you loose the primary benefit of CW.

Of course with computers we could eliminate the human from the on-the-air mix altogether. Computers can call and answer CQs, give out signal reports, and even print the QSL cards. Add a robot arm and they can even pin the card up on the wall  ;D  The only thing we need the human for is to pay the electric bill to keep the computer going.




Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: W7ASA on October 31, 2012, 01:34:38 PM
Oh - I don't think so.  Even in an age of concert quality music pouring out of our computers, iPods and other products, some of us still play musical instruments for the sheer joy of it.  Morse is much the same.


>de Ray
W7asa ..._ ._


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: AG6WT on October 31, 2012, 01:36:39 PM
They use to tell us that computers and robots would do our work so we would have more time for fun pursuits.

Seems ironic that I'm having to work harder and longer to pay for that robot... who is just going to lounge in the shack making q's  >:(


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: AB9NZ on October 31, 2012, 03:52:32 PM
You nailed it Ray.
Tom, ab9nz


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: AK4YH on October 31, 2012, 07:29:43 PM
Nobody has a clue what will be going on in 2037. Making such predictions is ridiculous. I do suspect however that CW will be used for a very long time. If it ever disappears, it will be resurrected, maybe in a different form, by circumstances, some day. Since people don't like to reinvent the wheel, I'm not worried about CW.. As long as there are radios, there will be operators practicing it for it's intrinsic value and as an art. Sword fighting is still practiced today, even though we've had guns for a long time..

Gil.


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: K8AXW on October 31, 2012, 09:23:04 PM
I'll take all bets and give 2:1 odds that CW is still being used in 2037!


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: S51M on November 01, 2012, 12:58:36 AM
Thanks for your opinions.

I discussed yesterday with two local radioamateurs. Some opinion is that CW will probably die after year 2037.

I guess nobody knows what will happen on this planet until year 2037. Nature show us last years that we can't dominate  everything and technology is not almighty.

I hope and believe that CW (without help of machines) will stay in our hobby like unique activity, where people still needed  their own brains and  skills. Like sailing. Why do people still enjoy sailing (even more and more)? Instead, why they don't take motor boats with sophisticated autopilots…? Aren't they much faster and easier to controll then older sailing methods?

CW (without help of machines) is great and beautiful activity in our hobby. Unfortunately, some people just can't understand this and they will beat anything in the name of speed, machines... For them are real CW operators slow and old fashioned people.

It seems we are losing our humanity. Like the content is not allowed. Only fast, modern cosmetic world, where competition is increasing every moment.

73

Bruno, S51M


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: N4OI on November 01, 2012, 07:31:07 AM
Lord willing, I will be 86 years old then...  Plan to keep pounding brass...  I have enjoyed many CW QSOs with OMs much older than 86! 

But there are many examples of enduring methods of doing things -- not just sailing.  For example, I have made a lot of furniture using hand-cut dovetails and mortise and tenon joints --  those pieces will be structurally sound for decades and perhaps centuries.  And how about muzzle-loaded black powder firearms?  Or archery for that matter?  The list of things and processes that should be obsolete -- but in fact are still extremely popular -- is very long, indeed!

73 ES GOD BLESS U ES URS DE KEN N4OI   ;D


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: K8AXW on November 01, 2012, 09:13:58 AM
OI:   :D  I'll be 101 years old then.....


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: N2EY on November 01, 2012, 12:51:28 PM
The death of "manual" CW has been predicted since before I became a ham in 1967. Hasn't come true in 45 years. 2037 is only 25 years away.

Computers can produce music that exactly follows any musical score - even a score than no human could play. Yet people still learn to play all sorts of musical instruments, some dating back hundreds of years in design.

Cameras can take pictures in a fraction of a second, yet people still spend lots of time drawing and painting in a variety of media.

Etc.

73 de Jim, N2EY



Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: STAYVERTICAL on November 01, 2012, 01:41:08 PM
There is a strange paradox in the way humans view technology.
Something which is mass produced, perfect, and machine made is generally viewed as common and not particularly desirable.
Yet something which takes a SKILLED artisan months to produce and which is not perfect, can be viewed as expensive and desirable.

In the same way, PSK31 and the other digital modes are machine made, very efficient but do not require much skill to produce.
C.W. on the other hand, requires years to master, is slow, inefficient, subject to poor sending and receiving, but is viewed as a skill.

In many cases rarity goes along with value.
A stamp of which only two are thought to exist will be more valuable than one which has 100 million brothers.
Another example is aluminium.
Although common as an oxide, it is rare in metallic form in nature, which is why it was used for Napoleons' childrens' rattles and the cap of the Washington monument.
Once a technique was discovered for producing aluminium by industrial process, it's price and prestige dropped to common status.

Rarity in skill generally goes with training and intrinsic ability.
So, we value athletes who are exceedingly good at their sport, knowing that apart from natural ability, they need to put huge amounts of time into developing those skills.

Another interesting human trait is the concept of uselessness.

The old nobles of history displayed their wealth and power by employing many people doing essentially useless things.
They also liked to collect works of art which took a great deal of someones time to produce.
Art, although beautiful, is essentially useless in the area of survival.
Another example is the learning of complex manners and dead languages.
All of these activities were to show that they did not need to learn real world skills for basic survival.

Once CW was no longer necessary for commercial and safety use, it went from utility to art.
It was now a "useless" mode, which required skill and time to master.
It's machine mode cousins were quicker, more efficient and robust - but they did not rely on human skill and had no "soul".
A master at CW would have spent much time in obtaining this level of skill.
To copy CW by machine would demote it to the level of PSK31, and so remove its primary appeal - that of human skill.

So CW after 1999 joined the ranks of other "useless" activities which became art.
Fencing, sailing, celestial navigation by sextant, playing musical instruments, singing, archery, CW - all useless.

And by being useless, they have become exalted to the level of prestigious and desirable skills.

73 - Rob


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: KC2WI on November 01, 2012, 09:07:13 PM
There is not much sense sending and receiving Morse code by computer.

If you're going to use a computer, why not use RTTY, or better yet a more efficient new technology like PSK-31 or one of the many higher speed/error correcting modes.


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: N0BLM on November 01, 2012, 11:36:25 PM
maybe we should wait utill the day after 21DEC2012 HI HI

hopefully will be 83 in 2037


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: NO2A on November 02, 2012, 07:31:11 AM
When manufacturers stop making a "cw" mode selection in transceivers. I think there will always be an interest in it.


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: K8AXW on November 02, 2012, 09:46:29 AM
2A: If manufacturers ever stop including the CW mode in their gear, hams will build their own CW transmitters.  There are millions of sets out there with CW capability and millions more will be built so don't think the Big Three will be a factor.

STAYVERTICAL:  That was a well thought out and well written opinion.  It was right on the money..... even though I damn near got a mental hernia digesting it all.   ;)

Al - K8AXW


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: K6OK on November 02, 2012, 12:07:09 PM

I hope and believe that CW (without help of machines) will stay in our hobby like unique activity, where people still needed  their own brains and  skills. Like sailing. Why do people still enjoy sailing (even more and more)? Instead, why they don't take motor boats with sophisticated autopilots…? Aren't they much faster and easier to controll then older sailing methods?

A motor boat is basically a sailboat, minus sails, assisted by a motor.  A motorcycle is a bicycle assisted by a motor.

The motorboat racers and sailboat racers, as well as the cyclists and the motorcyclists, have figured out that they need to keep their contests separate. Sailboats and speedboats do not race on the same course at the same time. Same for the bicycles -- you don't have a motorcycle grand prix racing on the tour de france course.

Radio contests continue to have human CW and computer CW racing together at the same time on the same course. It's a tolerable situation now I suppose. But it is only a matter of time until a better CW decoder is written that will pull weak signals out of the noise better than human ears can. When that happens there will be pressure to have separate competitions.

So my prediction is by 2037 CW will still be alive but there will be separate radio contests -- DX contests where only the art of human sending and decoding of CW are allowed, and DX contests where only machine sending and decoding are allowed. Just like the sailboats, speedboats, bicycles and motorcycles do now.    73 Jim K6OK


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: STAYVERTICAL on November 02, 2012, 02:52:49 PM
You may be right, but I think there is a difference between tools and the artisan.

For example, a skilled carpenter can make a beautiful piece of furniture with simple hand tools, probably decades old.
If you gave me a fully equipped machine shop with power tools, I would be hard pressed to make a decent spice rack.

The human need to face and overcome challenges is a very strong one.
People climb mountains for no particular purpose except to see if they can do it.
I can't talk for others, but if CW were all done by machine what would be it's point?

In the same way, we use unreliable H.F. propagation to talk to others around the world.
Why not just pick up the phone?

Nietzche the German philosopher put this concept in words:

"The discipline of suffering, of great suffering - do you not know that it is this discipline alone that has produced all the elevations of humanity so far? "
- Friedrich Nietzsche

When societies lose the ability to accept adversity and transcend challenges, they inevitably wither and die.
It happened to Rome, and just about every other great civilization - and it can happen to individual people too.

While people have difficulties to overcome, and refuse to let themselves be turned into drones, they will be mentally alive.
We must never let machines have all our fun, while we simply oil and tend them.

73 - Rob


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: K0JEG on November 02, 2012, 05:03:53 PM
Hand-sent CW however has very loose timing which makes it quite difficult for a machine to decode.

Now computers do a lot better job of decoding CW when a computer is used to generate the CW keying. Still, the simple on/off modulation of CW will never keep up with more modern encoding techniques like some of the newer modes with PSK and error correction, in terms of low-error copy in a noisy environment like HF.

I'm constantly amazed at how well Google  recognizes my voice when I'm looking up something on the road in my very noisy truck. Right now there's no incentive for a big push like there is/was with voice recognition. But just through evolution of software and steady improvements it will get to that level. I'd say a few programs do a very good job now if you can get a narrow enough filter.


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: W7ASA on November 03, 2012, 10:21:13 AM
While there probably will be such ‘progress’ in computer power that machines might someday be more ‘efficient’ than humans at reading weak, hand-sent Morse down in the noise, my question would be why?  I really have no use for automated CW contest stations working other automated contest stations so that we can sit in our cubicle at work late into the night and monitor our computer's 'progress' via automatic e-mail to our work address as it's very expensive software racks-up a big score in some contrived 'contest'. Thats great - right?  Only the numbers matter - rght?  That way, we'd never have to leave work, thus producing more tax revinue for bloated politicians - that's 'efficient' - right?    Noooooo -

Much of what we call 'progress' with machines doing for us, what we should actually be doing as human beings might not be 'progress' at all.

For example: the math shows that artificial insemination is more ‘efficient’ and controllable for producing offspring than standard biological reproduction methods, which is why it’s so wide spread among certain specialized livestock operations.  For me personally, efficient or not - I don’t want it to replace sex .    ;^)    or human Morse - though, if I were forced to choose one . . .   ::)

73 de Ray
W7ASA ..._ ._


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: KE7WAV on November 03, 2012, 05:05:14 PM
I'll only be about 60 and I will be on the air using my sideswiper and still trying to make a contact whenever time permits.  Which will hopefully be a lot more than now.
KE7WAV


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: N9KX on November 03, 2012, 06:57:00 PM
In 2037, if still alive I will be 75.  As of today, I have 171 LoTW confirmed entities, 155 of which are CW.  Those CW confirmations are all using a Brown Bros. straight key, and I suspect I will still be using it in 2037.  Perhaps by then I will have switched to the Brown Bros. paddle I have, but I kind of doubt it. 

CW is something that really resonates in some of us; and despite the no-code era it still is alive and well. After almost 30 years of being QRT, I remembered code like only a day had passed and can easily send my call and 599 at DXpedition speed...  At some point using technology to read and send squeezes out all the fun.  It is like losing your 'key' to the car and letting an auto pilot drive.

Seriously though, I still have hand tools and a manual can opener despite more 'advanced' technological alternatives.  I still have a bicycle although it is for fun and not my main mode of travel.  Probably bicycles and even horses will still be around in 2037. 

CW op.s hold all the keys; if you don't know CW you don't know dit. 


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: N9KX on November 03, 2012, 07:05:40 PM
Dear CW friends!

CW activity will die near 2037. That opinion came from our two "big" local radioamateurs.


How big are we talking?  125 kilos?  :-X 150?  :o



Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: STAYVERTICAL on November 04, 2012, 12:00:19 AM
"BIG" may be an acronym - I leave it to your own creativity to think of what it may represent  :)

73 - Rob


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: KA1BIN on November 04, 2012, 01:33:05 AM
So in 2037 when I am 80 years old and I find myself half-naked stranded on a South Seas Island with only a flashlight..... what should I use the flashlight for?
Making shadows on the sand of animals with my hands and fingers?

I doubt if I will have my computer or tablet with me or a cell phone for that matter.
If a ship passes nearby, even though they have no clue at first what the light flashes mean, they can "Google" it with their computer.

There will always be a need for NO TECH, human brain decoding, whether it is for Morse Code or speech, no matter how it is generated.

Unless of course if in 25 years, the average educated person gets even worse in that they can't make change for a dollar unless they are behind a cash register or use a calculator, can't spell a five letter word without a computer or other device,
and have no knowledge of history more than 50% of their age.

"Knowledge is Power, lack of knowledge is Control".


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: KE6EE on November 04, 2012, 09:35:02 AM
So in 2037 when I am 80 years old and I find myself half-naked stranded on a South Seas Island with only a flashlight..... what should I use the flashlight for?

Unless of course if in 25 years...


...sea level rise puts that island awash.


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: KA1BIN on November 05, 2012, 12:24:51 AM
So in 2037 when I am 80 years old and I find myself half-naked stranded on a South Seas Island with only a flashlight..... what should I use the flashlight for?

Unless of course if in 25 years...


...sea level rise puts that island awash.

Forgot about that.
Then again...

According to at least TWO BIG unnamed experts, the world is going to end next month.

Steve


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: ZL1BBW on November 05, 2012, 01:08:44 AM
Depends if its a "wanted" island, you may have to flash and get supplies dropped in.

In 2037 I will be very old, well older than I am now, and I would not mind betting that a lot of us will still be sat around here, arguing when when CW is going to go QRT.



Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: N9KX on November 05, 2012, 05:18:53 AM

In 2037 I will be very old, well older than I am now, and I would not mind betting that a lot of us will still be sat around here, arguing when CW is going to go QRT.



technology will probably make communicating too easy, and we will all thank goodness we have radios, keys, and that we learned code.
it is funny how common it is to hear 'copy that' as handheld radio protocol at work for successful reception of a communication.  Noone is actually copying it down on paper anymore though.  long live CW!  dit dit


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: KA1BIN on November 05, 2012, 02:43:45 PM
I have lived through many such...... it will die after...,

Phonograph records will die.
That's why in many countries in Europe new recordings are released on CD and 33 1/3 rpm phonograph records.
The Germans especially love them scratchy  records. Almost all of the Chinese record changers and turntables that
are produced in China nowadays are shipped to Europe.

Reel to Reel tape recorders will die.
Thats why most of the German Reel to Reel manufactuers are still producing new models,
most of them over $1000 USD. Nothing like recording and listening to good music at 15 ips
with no Nyquist problems.

It seems that every new generation "predicts" the demise of something. Christ, Wayne Green
of 73 Magazine was predicitng the demise of CW almost 35 years ago. Now 35 years later
we still hear these new "soothsayers".

Got to cut this short, reading an old Popular Science magazine from the 50's telling us how by 1980
we all are going to be flying to work each day in our own personal airplane, helicopter, or rocketship.

Steve


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: KD4AL on November 05, 2012, 04:55:30 PM
I truly believe that CW as we know it will still be around and fairly robust. However, I fear that we may occupy that same slice of society now populated by Civil War reenactors, an enthusiastic, living anachronism.  Yet, I will still be pounding brass and using my Vibroplex Original as long as my hands can drive them.
KD4AL


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: STAYVERTICAL on November 06, 2012, 01:25:16 PM
I truly believe that CW as we know it will still be around and fairly robust. However, I fear that we may occupy that same slice of society now populated by Civil War reenactors, an enthusiastic, living anachronism.  Yet, I will still be pounding brass and using my Vibroplex Original as long as my hands can drive them.
KD4AL

Most people already call me an enthusiastic living anachronism - I don't have to wait till 2037!
Looking back I see I was always only one step ahead of being replaced by technology my entire life.
I guess this is something which is endemic to everyone in society these days.

73 - Rob


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: PA0BLAH on November 08, 2012, 04:50:46 AM

Most people already call me an enthusiastic living anachronism - I don't have to wait till 2037!
Looking back I see I was always only one step ahead of being replaced by technology my entire life.
I guess this is something which is endemic to everyone in society these days.

73 - Rob

Yes, you have a point: Only one step ahead....

Question is who is to blame:your educators as a young guy or your character you are born with. Probably both due to the inhereted DNA.

You are at an age you can decide for yourself what the answer will be. I am not interested in the answer, because it will certainly have   the color of the feathers of my rooster or of the uniform with sticks of color coded resistors and tin medals of an "VIP"army man, he is so proud of having them, he even get married in it.
  
Just like Morse code: best time of your life to learn it proficiently is at young age. The age that you adapt easily math, chemistry and physics, adapting and exercising the accompanying way of problem solving thinking that is fruitfull and productive,

You pretty easy collect at that age your MSc and PhD.

When you have the brains, and don't use them because laziness , girls, cars and games are more interesting, you  arrive at a position you are only one step ahead of the people/jobs eating monster, and only his hot breath keeps you running fast enough not to be swallowed.

Whole your life only one step ahead.

Sure not a position to teach others how to live. But characteristic and confirming, for trying to do that.

Bob


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: STAYVERTICAL on November 08, 2012, 04:32:14 PM
Hi Bob, nice to see you are still around.

One step ahead is the right place to be for those who have the stomach for it.
Chaos theory shows us there are stable places where change has stopped, and chaotic places where nothing can be predicted.
But the area between the two - that twilight area between stagnation and chaos - that is where the fun really can be found.

Take casino's - they make huge profits from being only one small step ahead.
They know the small odds in their favour will, in time, give them huge profits from many people who think they can beat statistics.
The 00 green on the roulette wheel is enough to make sure the house wins, even in a red/black doubling scenario.
Arbitrage is making money from small discrepancies which are transient and only last a short time.
You have to be on the edge of chaos to see and take advantage of these phenomena.

I live my life by my own rules, and so I prosper and am happy.
When you seek stability and live by the rules others make up, you will always be a slave to them and society as a whole.
Your life will be full of anxiety and looking over your shoulder.
I have never felt the breath of the jobs eating monster in my entire life, because I see it coming and simply step out of the way.

A job is simply a transaction where we give up some hours of our life for a certain amount of cash.
We are not defined by our job, any more than wearing an Armani suit makes us Giorgio Armani.

We were all born free in will, and it is up to each one of us whether we give this up to others, or hold fast to it.
Remember, each one of us is unique - a one of a kind model - that makes us each priceless.

73 - Rob


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: NO2A on November 08, 2012, 09:53:31 PM
Cw can`t die,it`s what made Ten Tec and Elecraft famous!   ;)


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: N9KX on November 12, 2012, 07:04:27 AM
what we ought to do, is make CW operation above 40 meters only allowed if you hold a General and above 20 meters only allowed if you hold an Extra.  Problem with that is practically everyone would then discover how great CW is and it would be pretty crowded LOL


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: NA4IT on November 14, 2012, 04:58:55 AM
You all have it wrong. It will die after 2037 because by then, Obama and Obamacare will figure out the connection between ham radio operators and carpal tunnel syndrome. They will tax those who do CW to help pay for the health insurance costs for the carpal tunnel surgeries....

 ;) :D ;D :o ::)


Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: N9KX on November 14, 2012, 06:43:08 AM
Stand down from red alert, the party of obstruction has let Obama do very little.  The legislative branch is the one that passes budgets, tax cuts, and new laws like the affordable care act.

If Obama were one fifth as powerful as the right likes to pretend, we would have a decent public option for Americans of all ages -- not all that different from medicare.  ;)  Despite all the false characterizations of what Obama stands for by Fox Noise and shout radio -- American voters chose a moderate liberal over a guy who wanted to increase corporate welfare for big corporations.  Unfortunately there is still a House full of corporate interests disguised as 'representatives' of the people. 

Fortunately CW does not get into political banter much -- perhaps CW op.s are more aware that liberals and conservatives are two parts of a whole and that neither side has a sizeable advantage over the other side when it comes to intelligence or stupidity.

if you want to continue political banter about this please take it offline and PM or email me.

dit dit.



Title: RE: Cw activity will die after 2037
Post by: N0BOE on November 15, 2012, 01:36:02 AM
Oh - I don't think so.  Even in an age of concert quality music pouring out of our computers, iPods and other products, some of us still play musical instruments for the sheer joy of it.  Morse is much the same.


>de Ray
W7asa ..._ ._

Spot on Ray...

 de N0BOE - An Oboist... My vanity call is a combination of my music and radio hobbies. Of course my computer can generate CW and music much better than I ever will, but that doesn't stop me from perusing either.

I don't think CW is going anywhere until the FCC decides it's too much work to enforce Part 97 and turns a blind eye to what would be rapidly evolving anarchy on our bands... Hopefully our self-policing nature will ensure this never happens, but seems that there's already plenty of pirate and licensed hams that violate plenty of regulations with nothing being done, so maybe the end is closer than I first thought... Scary thought, I've been a ham since 11 years old, nearly 17 years ago now, and I'm quite looking forward to a whole lifetime full of radio, I hope we don't go the way of the dodo CB...