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Title: PT0S active
Post by: K0RS on November 10, 2012, 04:15:41 PM
Spots of PT0S on 160m showing up.

Wouldn't you know it?  Last night I had a nice quiet band.  Today a snowstorm blew thru and now band noise is S9 +20.  Rats.

1825.5, up 4 or 5 if you can hear him.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K3VAT on November 10, 2012, 05:33:43 PM
Spots of PT0S on 160m showing up.

Wouldn't you know it?  Last night I had a nice quiet band.  Today a snowstorm blew thru and now band noise is S9 +20.  Rats.   1825.5, up 4 or 5 if you can hear him.

PT0S has a low band priority (of course during daylight hours they'll be on other bands).  They are on 1825 and working lots of EU, SA, and NA.  Signals not particularly strong at my QTH (VA).  Yes, have higher than normal noise here as well.

Luckily, I have them on 160, but not on the WARC bands which will be my priority.

GL, 73, Rich, K3VAT


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2NL on November 11, 2012, 12:21:45 AM
Booming loud on 80m LP into the W PAC but only worked NA during this time - knocking the big guns out of the way.  He had KH2L? at one point but I got steam rolled by a W2.  Looks like LP on 80/40/30 will be very workable in a few days from here.  No mutual darkness on the LP for 160 so I will have to fight to be heard through both EU and JA which are significantly closer on the same azimuth (9,500 mile path from KH2).

73, Dave

 


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 11, 2012, 05:37:25 AM
Loud, as expected, in Florida on 17 phone, but the usual clusterfoxtrot of callers, both on and off the DX freq. DX was on 18140 and splatter on the DX  from 18145+ was loud. Dont know what kind of power the callers were running, but ............. ::)

Think I will wait untill at least tomorrow, when they get their RX antenna up and both stations running.

 73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: M0TTB on November 11, 2012, 05:46:39 AM
Loud, as expected, in Florida on 17 phone, but the usual clusterfoxtrot of callers, both on and off the DX freq. DX was on 18140 and splatter on the DX  from 18145+ was loud. Dont know what kind of power the callers were running, but ............. ::)

Think I will wait untill at least tomorrow, when they get their RX antenna up and both stations running.

 73, Gene AF3Y

Very nice path to G'land... got them very early on 17m ssb, a minute later the icom fishfinder lit up with a mega pile-up. Sunday afternoon in EU is about as bad as it gets for pile-ups. Lively one on 20m earlier for the monk, shambolic 'by list' which was simply him picking tailenders.

Good luck all.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: WG5G on November 11, 2012, 06:43:20 AM
Hello all, needed PT0S on cw, figured it wud be a mess, so i put up a dipole for 40 mtrs just in case, well one call at 0902z on 7.025 and there in the log, not bad fer 5 watts, it was # 328 toward cw Honor Roll qrp, anyway try the middle of the night, no pile ups, 73 Dan WG5G.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU4B on November 11, 2012, 07:34:41 AM
Hello all, needed PT0S on cw, figured it wud be a mess, so i put up a dipole for 40 mtrs just in case, well one call at 0902z on 7.025 and there in the log, not bad fer 5 watts, it was # 328 toward cw Honor Roll qrp, anyway try the middle of the night, no pile ups, 73 Dan WG5G.

Oh, you're a dog Dan, a real dog!   ;D ;D

Now I need zero sunspots (at least until the CQWW - then we can go back to...well.... back to the crummy numbers we have now), to get rid of all the competition. I have propagation to this area all the time whether there are sunspots or not.

Congrats on the new one - I'm glad the dipole worked.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NI0C on November 11, 2012, 07:48:18 AM
I heard them last night on 160m, with good signals.  The pileup was formidable.  I don't have my 160m antenna up, so I just listened.  I went to bed determined to get up before their sunrise to look for them on 80m.  I woke up a little later than planned; however I got 'em on 80m about 45 minutes after their sunrise.  Despite heavy static crashes here, they were very readable. 

Once I'm certain my QSO is in their log, I plan to take down the 80/40 m antenna and replace it with my 160m vertical. 

73,
Chuck  NI0C


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K5JZ on November 11, 2012, 09:01:01 AM
Spots of PT0S on 160m showing up.

Wouldn't you know it?  Last night I had a nice quiet band.  Today a snowstorm blew thru and now band noise is S9 +20.  Rats.

1825.5, up 4 or 5 if you can hear him.

I started hearing them from the South East (4SQ) about 20 minutes before sunset. They peaked here at sunset at about s1 Q5. I did not make it through at that time but VE1ZZ and a couple of 1's made it through... mostly Europe. He then enjoyed several peaks here before his sunrise. I was there all night. I had to work him four times to get a solid QSO. They do not have their receive antenna up due to rough seas and they are saying that the noise on 160 was S9 plus 10DB. ALL of us that made it in the log on 160 last night had to rise above that noise floor. It will get better. He had me as W5JZ twice and one time QSB pulled him into the noise before I could confirm my report. At 0635z he worked me 579 599 and he was solid and booming from that point until about 10 minutes past his sunrise (0742z)... then it was all over. GL to all! Now for 30 meters and I can sit back and enjoy listening to others conquer a new one!

73,
George K5JZ


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K5JZ on November 11, 2012, 09:02:27 AM
Hello all, needed PT0S on cw, figured it wud be a mess, so i put up a dipole for 40 mtrs just in case, well one call at 0902z on 7.025 and there in the log, not bad fer 5 watts, it was # 328 toward cw Honor Roll qrp, anyway try the middle of the night, no pile ups, 73 Dan WG5G.

Congratulations... that is indeed impressive!

73,
George K5JZ


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K0RS on November 11, 2012, 09:21:15 AM
They do not have their receive antenna up due to rough seas and they are saying that the noise on 160 was S9 plus 10DB. ALL of us that made it in the log on 160 last night had to rise above that noise floor. It will get better.

That would explain the difficulty in picking out callsigns.  He actually got up to S4~5 here on my HyTower cum inverted L, but later in the evening the static crashes were still in excess of S9 which made it difficult to tell who he was responding to.  Hopefully this storm will have tracked further to the east by tonight so the band will be quieter.  Beautiful, clear starry night last night, but still lots of residual noise.  Hopefully they will have have the 160m RX antenna in place and that will speed things up a bit.  Agree that the pileup was large on 160M.  I missed the 80M activity, where I also need SP&P.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N5MOA on November 11, 2012, 09:24:01 AM
I heard them on 160m last night, minor miracle considering my antenna.

Heard 'em on 17m cw earlier this morning, but went to 12m ssb before I got through.

Just worked them on 12m ssb for a ATNO. Anything else is gravy.

Good luck to all.



 


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: WG5G on November 11, 2012, 10:47:28 AM
Tnx larry, will let everyone know I did consult with Larry on what wud be the most effective ant fer 40 mtrs, tnx agn fer ur help Larry and gl to all that need this one, 73 Dan WG5G.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: WX2S on November 11, 2012, 02:34:37 PM
What a zoo. At least 3 or 4 stations QRMing him, including the cops.

- WX2S.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K5JZ on November 11, 2012, 02:36:50 PM
They do not have their receive antenna up due to rough seas and they are saying that the noise on 160 was S9 plus 10DB. ALL of us that made it in the log on 160 last night had to rise above that noise floor. It will get better.

That would explain the difficulty in picking out callsigns.  He actually got up to S4~5 here on my HyTower cum inverted L, but later in the evening the static crashes were still in excess of S9 which made it difficult to tell who he was responding to.  Hopefully this storm will have tracked further to the east by tonight so the band will be quieter.  Beautiful, clear starry night last night, but still lots of residual noise.  Hopefully they will have have the 160m RX antenna in place and that will speed things up a bit.  Agree that the pileup was large on 160M.  I missed the 80M activity, where I also need SP&P.

GL on 80 tonight! They are on 160, 17, and 6 (2235z) as I write this.
73,
George K5JZ


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU4B on November 11, 2012, 04:00:57 PM
Tnx larry, will let everyone know I did consult with Larry on what wud be the most effective ant fer 40 mtrs, tnx agn fer ur help Larry and gl to all that need this one, 73 Dan WG5G.

HAHA! You only gave me a couple choices!  ;D But its amazing what 5 watts and some wire at the right height and the right position will do. Plus PY0/S, fortunately, isn't that far away.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 11, 2012, 04:04:58 PM
They do not have their receive antenna up due to rough seas and they are saying that the noise on 160 was S9 plus 10DB. ALL of us that made it in the log on 160 last night had to rise above that noise floor. It will get better.

That would explain the difficulty in picking out callsigns.  He actually got up to S4~5 here on my HyTower cum inverted L, but later in the evening the static crashes were still in excess of S9 which made it difficult to tell who he was responding to.  Hopefully this storm will have tracked further to the east by tonight so the band will be quieter.  Beautiful, clear starry night last night, but still lots of residual noise.  Hopefully they will have have the 160m RX antenna in place and that will speed things up a bit.  Agree that the pileup was large on 160M.  I missed the 80M activity, where I also need SP&P.

GL on 80 tonight! They are on 160, 17, and 6 (2235z) as I write this.
73,
George K5JZ


With only TWO stations ACTIVE?  Pretty NEAT! :o


73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W2IRT on November 11, 2012, 04:08:43 PM
14 hours pumping out legal limit and nothing to show for it other than a busted call on 12 SSB. Not a prayer on 160 last night or on 17m today. I haven't seen pileups like this in a very long time. 20 kHz wide not-stop callers and no discernable pattern. Hell, in 14+ hours I think I only found his QSX 3 or 4 times and he moved after Q; no tail-ending unless you got very lucky. I have a suspicion this one will take 2 or 3 days for all the world's big guns to work down the pile enough that tribanders/1500W guys can get in. I'd hate to be trying this with flea power and a G5RV 20' up...maybe the last few days?

I'm not even going to call on any band I have SP&P on for this operation. I need them on 10, 12, 17, 80 and 160  and there's a zero percent chance even my 6kW of ERP will make it on all of those. Maybe 10, 12 and possibly 17 if the piles thin down enough. With the very real chance that this is the last activation of PY0S for an extremely long time this one's going to bring out the very worst in everybody until they go QRT. I think they'll be slammed wall to wall on 80 and 160 until they have to leave. I'll make a prediction that they'll never be begging anywhere!


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 11, 2012, 04:13:13 PM
I tried about an hour tonite (with my BRAND NEW IC-7600!), but no luck yet, its still a virgin.  The DX got a little weaker around 0000z, my patience got a little shorter, the "weekend DXers" continued to show their asses and stupidity, and I wanted another glass of Shiraz. SO........ Tomorrow is another day, I hope.

Weekend DXers remind me of what I call AMATEUR DRINKERS.  You know, the people who only drink on their birthday and/or holidays. You know, the ones who get drunk and kill people on the highways. THANK GOD that the weekend DXers dont have a weapon, besides stupidity, in their rig. hi hi

ALWAYS amazes me.  I still cannot understand how ANYONE who has EVER worked DX, can think PT0S is working simplex. USE YOUR BRAINS, PEOPLE.

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K7KB on November 11, 2012, 05:02:03 PM
I see from the cluster that you finally worked them Peter, congrats! I worked them just before you did moving up just a bit after I found the previous QSO. So like you said, they are not doing much tail ending. I was happy to get that one in the log as a ATNO. Now to add the gravy with a few more bands/modes if possible.

John K7KB


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 11, 2012, 05:40:00 PM
Took a listen again on 17 a few minutes ago. Their signal was in the noise.
Interesting, as that is just about what VOACAP sez.... My printout from VOACAP show the MUF down to around 15 or 16 at 0100z.

I did take a listen on 160, and they were LOUD, with the band really quiet.  But, listen is all I can
do..... no antenna for 160.  All of you who need them should have a pretty easy time of it.

I "Might" be able to work em on 80, but doubtful, I can tune this thing on 80, but on very low power and with the loss from the tuner, etc. I doubt if they will hear me. I can give it a try tho. ???

GL and 73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W5RDW on November 11, 2012, 06:14:18 PM
I am hearing them now on both my 40 meter delta loop and 40 meter inverted Vee 3 to 4 dB above the noise level. Too bad I don't have an antenna cut for the low end of 80 meters!


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AE5X on November 11, 2012, 06:25:24 PM
Tried like the dickens to get them on 17m earlier to no avail - then 3 calls on 80m and they're logged. Who'd a thunk it...

John AE5X
http://www.ae5x.com/blog



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KY6R on November 11, 2012, 06:36:53 PM
they are S9 +10 on my K9AY loops, and I have a resonant 1/4 wl vertical on 80m.

will wait till the east coast wall thins out.

already have spp rocks from ZW0S, but only on 20 and 15 SSB.

r


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KA1J on November 11, 2012, 09:26:13 PM
Hello all, needed PT0S on cw, figured it wud be a mess, so i put up a dipole for 40 mtrs just in case, well one call at 0902z on 7.025 and there in the log, not bad fer 5 watts, it was # 328 toward cw Honor Roll qrp, anyway try the middle of the night, no pile ups, 73 Dan WG5G.

Congratulations... that is indeed impressive!

73,
George K5JZ

Indeed! I used a bit... more power than that and was at it for more than a few hours trying to chase where he was listening. Hoping the 160 & 80 are all good in their log, that's what counts & all that. Will check when it's on-line.

Gary - KA1J


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W6GX on November 12, 2012, 01:25:20 AM
I think I got him on 40m cw.  He had a nice signal but QRM was really bad.  I will try again on the higher bands.  GL to all.

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 12, 2012, 02:26:40 AM
This one is not going to be as easy as I thought. ::)

No rhyme or reason to the DX op movement in these HUGE splits.

But, its early yet. Lets just hope they dont have to end it early.
(Hey, they dont have any way off until the next fishing boat, huh ???)

Spotted on 20 SSB and 15 CW this am (1000z), but nothing heard in Fla.
VOACAP shows MUF going almost straight up from 14 to 26 around from 1000 to 1200z at my QTH.
Hope thats correct ::).

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AJ4RW on November 12, 2012, 02:55:18 AM
Gene, you're right at least for me in North Florida, it's not as easy as one would think.  Especially with a 35 kc split, that was unreal last night.  I was a very small fish in a very big ocean, hope it gets better today.  I've worked them once on 40 and that might be it unless it calms down but with few ops it doesn't look promising.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K5JZ on November 12, 2012, 04:23:13 AM
They do not have their receive antenna up due to rough seas and they are saying that the noise on 160 was S9 plus 10DB. ALL of us that made it in the log on 160 last night had to rise above that noise floor. It will get better.

That would explain the difficulty in picking out callsigns.  He actually got up to S4~5 here on my HyTower cum inverted L, but later in the evening the static crashes were still in excess of S9 which made it difficult to tell who he was responding to.  Hopefully this storm will have tracked further to the east by tonight so the band will be quieter.  Beautiful, clear starry night last night, but still lots of residual noise.  Hopefully they will have have the 160m RX antenna in place and that will speed things up a bit.  Agree that the pileup was large on 160M.  I missed the 80M activity, where I also need SP&P.

GL on 80 tonight! They are on 160, 17, and 6 (2235z) as I write this.
73,
George K5JZ


With only TWO stations ACTIVE?  Pretty NEAT! :o


73, Gene AF3Y


I have run a DX Cluster since 1991... I see all of the spots and if you go online and check... you will see that what I posted was correct. I have no idea if any of these operations were a pirate but the PY's were working their friend on 6 and the world was working them on 160 and 17... beam heading correct... those on low band chat seem to know the op on 160. Perhaps they are running a dedicated 6 meter beacon station that can be used when the band opens? You tell me.

George K5JZ


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB2FCV on November 12, 2012, 07:35:54 AM
I tried a little on 17 and 80 yesterday and the pileups were huge. I may try again in another day or so. I found their listening 'direction' a few times but couldn't tell how fast they were tuning up the band. They did have some nice strong signals on 80m. Should be some fun pileups to tackle.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 12, 2012, 07:49:55 AM
They do not have their receive antenna up due to rough seas and they are saying that the noise on 160 was S9 plus 10DB. ALL of us that made it in the log on 160 last night had to rise above that noise floor. It will get better.

That would explain the difficulty in picking out callsigns.  He actually got up to S4~5 here on my HyTower cum inverted L, but later in the evening the static crashes were still in excess of S9 which made it difficult to tell who he was responding to.  Hopefully this storm will have tracked further to the east by tonight so the band will be quieter.  Beautiful, clear starry night last night, but still lots of residual noise.  Hopefully they will have have the 160m RX antenna in place and that will speed things up a bit.  Agree that the pileup was large on 160M.  I missed the 80M activity, where I also need SP&P.

GL on 80 tonight! They are on 160, 17, and 6 (2235z) as I write this.
73,
George K5JZ


With only TWO stations ACTIVE?  Pretty NEAT! :o


73, Gene AF3Y


I have run a DX Cluster since 1991... I see all of the spots and if you go online and check... you will see that what I posted was correct. I have no idea if any of these operations were a pirate but the PY's were working their friend on 6 and the world was working them on 160 and 17... beam heading correct... those on low band chat seem to know the op on 160. Perhaps they are running a dedicated 6 meter beacon station that can be used when the band opens? You tell me.

George K5JZ

George, as it stands right now, I dont think I could work em if they had FIVE stations QRV. BUT..........

From their website:  www.pt0s.com  :   

Transceivers and Amplifiers:
We will have two stations. Both stations will use K3 transceivers. The main station will have two combined SG-500 amplifiers for an output of 1000 W, while the other station will have a single SG-500 amplifier for an output of 500 watts.

73, Gene AF3Y



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 12, 2012, 08:10:32 AM
They are on 15 meter phone as I write with a strong signal into New England.  Transmitting on 21.295.

I just selected what seemed to be a clear frequency and worked him on my second call.  PT0S makes number 315 for me.

I'm just glad I have no doubts about hearing my call and I can now concentrate on some band slots.

73 and good luck to all,

Chris/NU1O



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K3STX on November 12, 2012, 08:12:41 AM
they were loud on 15 this morning, working lots of Eu. What a huge pile, was really hard to hear who they were working and find a pattern.

Last night on 80 was insane. Also huge split and hard (for me) to find a pattern. I am surprised, PY0S/PS7JN was no big deal in 2005, got it QRP. I must have been lucky and didn't even  know it.

paul


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB3LIX on November 12, 2012, 08:15:41 AM
If yinz guys with kilowatts, and huge amounts of aluminum in the air
are having difficulty, this just might be a tough row-to-hoe.
They are weak here, and the powerline noise has been back
all weekend, so lets see what happens.

Let the challenge begin !


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 12, 2012, 09:05:03 AM
This has been a tough one to crack.
I was on 80m cw last night calling for about 5.5 hours. When it was sunrise over EU, they went QRT and they were
 still heard and could be worked. With both NA and EU calling, the pileup is horrendous and the chances get slim
without lady luck. Its hard to spot a gap nor the last Q.

They were/are strong now on 15ssb. I worked them 45kcs up. What the heck with the size of the split? :)

 The same on 12m cw this Am. Tough shot with both EU and NA. They were working more EU.
They absolutely need to reduce the size of the pile by inculcating a sense of fairness to convince both EU/NA
to standby and maximize everyones effort. Oh well. It is what it is.

I won't complain with 3 bands in the log ( hope it shows up when they bring it online).

Good luck
73s
krish


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K7KB on November 12, 2012, 09:14:14 AM
I'm just thanking my lucky stars that I was able to get through on 17M CW yesterday. I was trying for 15M this morning and it was a zoo. They worked lots of EU, listening for Asia, Africa, SA, but I didn't hear them work hardly anyone from the West Coast. Maybe a handful of stations and that's it. They are not making any particular effort, that's for sure :)

John K7KB


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W5RDW on November 12, 2012, 09:19:54 AM
Wish their Log would show up online soon. As soon as that happens, I am "out of here" as they say. I just want one confirmed slot for this DXpedition.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K0RS on November 12, 2012, 09:23:26 AM
A few observations so far:

Apparently someone, somewhere, doesn't like these guys.  Intentional QRM seems to be at an all time high.

Pileups are extraordinarily large.  I realize this is an ATNO for some, but SP&P just isn't that rare.  It surely is no 7O or P5.

The pileups seem much more difficult than necessary.  Some of you guys are reporting getting through in short order and that's great, but I'd have to say that seems to be the exception.  There is often no discernable listening pattern for the PT0S op and his QSX is difficult to ascertain.  Even if you spot his previous QSO, it doesn't seem to do much good.  He just pops up on another unpredictable frequency.  Splits are often out of control...up 40 kHz?

It seems they haven't gotten their noise problem under control yet.  They had two stations going last night, one on 80m and one on 160m.  At times the 80m rate was painfully slow.  After my local midnight (0700 UTC) the 160m op worked no one, even though many were calling on specific frequencies specified by PT0S.  He eventually gave up in frustration and QSYed to 40m complaining of QRN.  Once on 40, he commenced working EU, which by then was in almost in complete daylight, ignoring an opening to JA and Asia which was short lived...something their website said they would be mindful of.  A lost opportunity.  I'll bet there were some disappointed JAs.

If you check a grayline map, EU really has the holeshot on NA for this one.  The distance to EU is not much greater than NA, and the grayline really favors EU this time of year from SP&P.  I finally got a QSO on 80 last night, but not until after he had taken a break and the pileup had diminished significantly.  Previous to his break he had been working EU almost exclusively.  I really can't remember spending so much time in one pileup.

I'm with W2IRT and AF3Y.  I thought this would be a chip shot.  Instead it's proven to be an extraordinarily tough nut.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: M0TTB on November 12, 2012, 09:45:43 AM
Wish their Log would show up online soon. As soon as that happens, I am "out of here" as they say. I just want one confirmed slot for this DXpedition.

We may have to lower our hopes with the online log....seems they have far worse internet capability than expected. They may be of the school of thought, a few have done the same, that if they can't do it reliably, don't do it all. And as for 36hrs LoTW  :)
Still early days, they may get it sorted.

I don't think all of EU is getting an easy ride with this one... certainly N.W EU is enjoying it (for a change) but further to the east very few UA's seem to be getting through.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 12, 2012, 09:46:31 AM
Hasn't been all that difficult for me. I got them on the 3rd call yesterday evening on 17 cw as I went into the shack after a long day of the honey do list.

AS for the large pileups, remember that SP&SP rocks is now officially off limits to ham radio, so this dxpedition may be the last one for a long while.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K0RS on November 12, 2012, 10:00:05 AM
Hasn't been all that difficult for me. I got them on the 3rd call yesterday evening on 17 cw

...and that's good for you.  Try 80 or 160.  I would like to work them on the bands where I don't already have SP&P, not just any old where that I can happen to get thru.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 12, 2012, 10:03:02 AM
Ryan, you got lucky on that 17m cw with being in the right spot at the right time. Now, if you are able to bag them
slot after slot that way, then i will come over and pay for it and have you buy me a powerball ticket ;) Cheers :)

We got them relatively easy on 12m ssb and 15m ssb. However, 80m and 160m CW has been elusive so far.
17m cw was hard to log them, but not as hard as chasing on 80m.

The wall to wall pile along with no systematic pattern to follow has made it difficult. With yagi's and amp's, if this is what
it is, i guess the dipoles will need to wait for a few more days, and it applies to me on 80m with my dipole and/or quater wave
vertical.

Krish


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W2IRT on November 12, 2012, 10:10:38 AM
I was listening on both 80 and 160 last night. They have a killer signal on both bands but their RX noise is the limiting factor. I did make it on 80 (a needed band) but no joy on 160. I think it took about 3 hours to make it on 80, and probably only because the weekend warriors had to go to bed early in order to be up for work today.

Krish, for me it was the other way around. I was chasing them on 17 the entire day (I figured about 14 hours give or take an hour). 80 was comparatively easier.

I do wish they'd go by continent. To their credit, they do this for JA/Asia and SA (bravo!), but lumping EU and NA together, when they're equally separated from both continents and have similar propagation to both is head-bangingly painful. I, too, am looking forward to seeing the online logs show up. I have one very doubtful 12m call -- they got the IRT but I'm think they busted the W2--a frequency cop was chasing off a lid when he came back to me and I missed their reply.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 12, 2012, 10:21:17 AM
Good work on the 80m contact Peter. I heard the Qso.

Btw, they have a strong signal into NA, about 20 to 27db on 80m.
Thanks to that salt water. Their 160m is ok, but if only they can hear better and
the pile shrinks to the advantage of my backyard vertical, will my 15 to 18db
signal be heard by PT0S on even 80m.

Oh well. Another 10 days of anxiety to go around  ;D
Krish



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 12, 2012, 10:27:08 AM
I just added 15 CW and the QSO only took a few calls like the SSB QSO.  For the SSB QSO I know there was a lot of luck involved.  I just happened to see the cluster spot and call where he was listening.  That's dumb luck. For the CW contact I tail-ended a US station he had just worked.

Both of my contacts are on 15 meters where he is very strong at 20 dB over S9.  I'm working him on a band where I have close to 6 dB gain and I'm running 1500 Watts. If I were stuck working him on the WARC bands or 40 and 80 I'd hate to even think of how long I'd be in a pileup.

I'll try to work them on 10 and 20 but I'm not going to spend more than an hour on 40 meters trying to work him with my Inverted Vee.  Forget 80 and we will not even mention 160.

Right now there is no jammer or frequency cops. Just a very strong PT0S.  He's on 21025.55.  I was transmitting up 5.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 12, 2012, 10:30:42 AM
Ryan, you got lucky on that 17m cw with being in the right spot at the right time. Now, if you are able to bag them
slot after slot that way, then i will come over and pay for it and have you buy me a powerball ticket ;) Cheers :)

Luck has nothing to do with it. I have a method that works, and has worked consistently for me.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 12, 2012, 10:45:20 AM
Just got em on 15m cw. 15 minutes of jumping around.
Krish
w4vku


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W6GX on November 12, 2012, 10:52:19 AM
Good work Chris.

I just got him on 15m cw.  It took about a million calls at 1500 watts.

I need to take a break.

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 12, 2012, 11:00:44 AM
Luck has nothing to do with it. I have a method that works, and has worked consistently for me.

Care to share your method?  W2IRT has a much stronger signal than you and he isn't breaking pileups as quickly as you.

You are lucky.  The difference is I will admit it and you will not.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W1VT on November 12, 2012, 11:37:50 AM
I was only able to get through by spotting a weak station that I assume most folks couldn't find.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W2IRT on November 12, 2012, 11:44:14 AM
Chris, Ryan has two huge advantages over me. One, a MonstIR antenna that has far more gain on the WARC bands than my Force-12 2/2/1 has (by a considerable amount), and two, a combination of 600' more height ASL and a clear takeoff path to the southeast. I have a much better path to Asia than Ryan, on the other hand, and he also has half the power coming out of the wall (811H vs AL-1200). But there's a LOT to be said for height on his side as well as very little man-made noise--whereas I live beside an industrial park.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AE5X on November 12, 2012, 11:48:26 AM
Luck has nothing to do with it. I have a method that works, and has worked consistently for me.

Care to share your method?  W2IRT has a much stronger signal than you and he isn't breaking pileups as quickly as you.

Chris/NU1O

If he's smart, he'll keep letting you believe that sig strength has the weight in a CW pile-up that you believe it does and he'll keep the method to himself.

John AE5X


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N4OGW on November 12, 2012, 11:54:11 AM
No secret here: on 80 I noticed on the panadapter that he was moving down a bit after each qso. Started calling below the last qso and got them.

Tor
N4OGW


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 12, 2012, 12:03:35 PM
Chris, Ryan has two huge advantages over me. One, a MonstIR antenna that has far more gain on the WARC bands than my Force-12 2/2/1 has (by a considerable amount), and two, a combination of 600' more height ASL and a clear takeoff path to the southeast. I have a much better path to Asia than Ryan, on the other hand, and he also has half the power coming out of the wall (811H vs AL-1200). But there's a LOT to be said for height on his side as well as very little man-made noise--whereas I live beside an industrial park.

Peter, that is not a method.  It's strictly his antenna system and his location.  Maybe he thinks that is a system.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 12, 2012, 12:33:53 PM
Luck has nothing to do with it. I have a method that works, and has worked consistently for me.

Care to share your method?  W2IRT has a much stronger signal than you and he isn't breaking pileups as quickly as you.

Chris/NU1O
If he's smart, he'll keep letting you believe that sig strength has the weight in a CW pile-up that you believe it does and he'll keep the method to himself.

John AE5X

John,

I've only had a legal limit amplifier for a little over 1 year and the Bencher Skyhawk for just one month.  I did not get to 315 countries with brute force, far from it. I learned how to break CW pileups using techniques I learned in W9KNI's book which I read when I was first licensed in 1988, or using techniques I learned on my own. I have known for a long time that ERP is important but operating skill is more important in huge CW pileups like we are experiencing with PT0S.

When I wrote a post that claimed most US hams (I specifically excluded contest stations and hams in lightly populated states where there is huge demand for a QSL) could still charge $1 for an overseas QSL instead of $2, and absorb the 5 cent differential, N2RJ went absolutely ballistic and said my suggestion was tantamount to taking food out of the mouths of his kids and gasoline out of his car!  Then, in his last post for that topic he said it was a moot point anyway because he doesn't get many direct requests for overseas QSLs.  He's in New Jersey. He gets fewer direct QSL requests than I do and I'm lucky if I get one direct overseas QSL every 2 weeks. He made a big commotion over absolutely NOTHING. Since then I've learned to ignore most of what he writes.

I'd love to make a good sized wager with you that he does not have any method and the QSOs were mostly the result of luck - just as mine were - but we aren't about to find out.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 12, 2012, 12:35:19 PM
I just added 15 CW and the QSO only took a few calls like the SSB QSO.  For the SSB QSO I know there was a lot of luck involved.  I just happened to see the cluster spot and call where he was listening.  That's dumb luck. For the CW contact I tail-ended a US station he had just worked.

Both of my contacts are on 15 meters where he is very strong at 20 dB over S9.  I'm working him on a band where I have close to 6 dB gain and I'm running 1500 Watts. If I were stuck working him on the WARC bands or 40 and 80 I'd hate to even think of how long I'd be in a pileup.

I'll try to work them on 10 and 20 but I'm not going to spend more than an hour on 40 meters trying to work him with my Inverted Vee.  Forget 80 and we will not even mention 160.

Right now there is no jammer or frequency cops. Just a very strong PT0S.  He's on 21025.55.  I was transmitting up 5.

73,

Chris/NU1O

Best signal yet on 15 cw this afternoon, but NO luck yet. I am not even close to figuring out his method of moving........   SO....... then what happens at 2000z?  QSY to 160.  Oh well, maybe tomorrow.

This is not looking too good. HUGE pileups and HUGE splits with no pattern makes it very tough. Tomorrow may be a little better for NA. Probably a bunch of hams still off work today for a long veterans day weekend.

10 days..... I hope I can get lucky, cause skill and 1Kw with the 1/4 vertical is not getting it done ......... so far :o

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 12, 2012, 12:38:33 PM
Luck has nothing to do with it. I have a method that works, and has worked consistently for me.

Care to share your method?  W2IRT has a much stronger signal than you and he isn't breaking pileups as quickly as you.

You are lucky.  The difference is I will admit it and you will not.

73,

Chris/NU1O

Wow, if that wasn't jealousy I don't know what it is. :)

I am consistently lucky then I guess.

I'll share the method in time, but it's common sense when you think about it.

As I said, luck has nothing to do with it. I really don't have a lot of time to DX but when I do I have to make the most of it.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 12, 2012, 12:39:38 PM
Luck has nothing to do with it. I have a method that works, and has worked consistently for me.

Care to share your method?  W2IRT has a much stronger signal than you and he isn't breaking pileups as quickly as you.

Chris/NU1O
If he's smart, he'll keep letting you believe that sig strength has the weight in a CW pile-up that you believe it does and he'll keep the method to himself.

John AE5X

John,

I've only had a legal limit amplifier for a little over 1 year and the Bencher Skyhawk for just one month.  I did not get to 315 countries with brute force, far from it. I learned how to break CW pileups using techniques I learned in W9KNI's book which I read when I was first licensed in 1988, or using techniques I learned on my own. I have known for a long time that ERP is important but operating skill is more important in huge CW pileups like we are experiencing with PT0S.

When I wrote a post that claimed most US hams (I specifically excluded contest stations and hams in lightly populated states where there is huge demand for a QSL) could still charge $1 for an overseas QSL instead of $2, and absorb the 5 cent differential, N2RJ went absolutely ballistic and said my suggestion was tantamount to taking food out of the mouths of his kids and gasoline out of his car!  Then, in his last post for that topic he said it was a moot point anyway because he doesn't get many direct requests for overseas QSLs.  He's in New Jersey. He gets fewer than I do and I'm lucky if I get one direct overseas QSL every 2 weeks. He made a big commotion over absolutely NOTHING. Since then I've learned to ignore most of what he writes.

I'd love to make a good sized wager with you that he does not have any method and the QSOs were mostly the result of luck - just as mine were - but we aren't about to find out.

73,

Chris/NU1O


So in other words you have a chip on your shoulder about me. Sad.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K5JZ on November 12, 2012, 12:41:39 PM
They do not have their receive antenna up due to rough seas and they are saying that the noise on 160 was S9 plus 10DB. ALL of us that made it in the log on 160 last night had to rise above that noise floor. It will get better.

That would explain the difficulty in picking out callsigns.  He actually got up to S4~5 here on my HyTower cum inverted L, but later in the evening the static crashes were still in excess of S9 which made it difficult to tell who he was responding to.  Hopefully this storm will have tracked further to the east by tonight so the band will be quieter.  Beautiful, clear starry night last night, but still lots of residual noise.  Hopefully they will have have the 160m RX antenna in place and that will speed things up a bit.  Agree that the pileup was large on 160M.  I missed the 80M activity, where I also need SP&P.

GL on 80 tonight! They are on 160, 17, and 6 (2235z) as I write this.
73,
George K5JZ


With only TWO stations ACTIVE?  Pretty NEAT! :o


73, Gene AF3Y


I have run a DX Cluster since 1991... I see all of the spots and if you go online and check... you will see that what I posted was correct. I have no idea if any of these operations were a pirate but the PY's were working their friend on 6 and the world was working them on 160 and 17... beam heading correct... those on low band chat seem to know the op on 160. Perhaps they are running a dedicated 6 meter beacon station that can be used when the band opens? You tell me.

George K5JZ

George, as it stands right now, I dont think I could work em if they had FIVE stations QRV. BUT..........

From their website:  www.pt0s.com  :   

Transceivers and Amplifiers:
We will have two stations. Both stations will use K3 transceivers. The main station will have two combined SG-500 amplifiers for an output of 1000 W, while the other station will have a single SG-500 amplifier for an output of 500 watts.

73, Gene AF3Y





Hi Gene,

If my suggestion is not correct... then some number of DXers worked a pirate on one of those three bands that were spotted. I hope not!

I am pulling for you and everyone else needing them!!!
73,
George K5JZ


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 12, 2012, 12:43:04 PM
Good work Chris.

I just got him on 15m cw.  It took about a million calls at 1500 watts.

I need to take a break.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Isn't that like 1.5 Giga-Watts, albeit for a short time?  You better not let your wife see this month's electric bill.   :D

Glad you bagged him, Jonathan.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 12, 2012, 12:48:57 PM

So in other words you have a chip on your shoulder about me. Sad.

I have a good number of chips but they aren't on my shoulder.  They are blue and they are in my safe deposit box.   ;D

73,

Chris/NU1O



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 12, 2012, 12:51:54 PM
Chris, Ryan has two huge advantages over me. One, a MonstIR antenna that has far more gain on the WARC bands than my Force-12 2/2/1 has (by a considerable amount), and two, a combination of 600' more height ASL and a clear takeoff path to the southeast.

That's part of it, but yes you are right about the WARC advantage. I have a good location. As you said, Asia is a bit better on your end.

But apart from Asia I'm doing pretty good. 3Y0E was audible and workable here a month before you did, IIRC. So I'm good in that direction.

Anyway the method has to do with finding a split frequency. You have to choose your splits carefully and I employ both my main rig and SDR receivers to scan the bands. For narrow splits on cw I might just open the filter all the way up on my main rig and watch the waterfall. Patterns and split frequency are easy to find then. I throw the kitchen sink where I see the frequency being the most productive. I'm not impolite or rude on frequency and I QRX when I hear the station calling. That is not always where the big pileup is (and a lot of guys are simply wasting their time). Sometimes I go to a quiet frequency where I can be heard. That works more effectively than you believe, especially if the DX is not using a pattern and just tuning up/down. The usual stuff applies - listen (and listen and listen). Can't believe how many guys just don't listen.

Maybe it's just luck, but I find it hard to believe that I would consistently be lucky. I found a system that works for me. Maybe it won't work for you but it works for me.

Quote
I have a much better path to Asia than Ryan, on the other hand, and he also has half the power coming out of the wall (811H vs AL-1200). But there's a LOT to be said for height on his side as well as very little man-made noise--whereas I live beside an industrial park.

For now anyway. That power advantage may be going away soon. In any case I've not found the additional 700w to make much of a difference. I run 800w on SSB and 600 on CW. Perhaps a bit more because my amp is wired for 240v and there's no sag now when transmitting. 

And what's really gonna surprise you is that I've never even turned on the amp for some of my best catches. No time to warm up and tuneup. But as I said, I might get "expert" help in that department soon, and run a QRO legal limit rig. :D


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AE5X on November 12, 2012, 01:31:12 PM
Luck has nothing to do with it. I have a method that works, and has worked consistently for me.

Care to share your method?  W2IRT has a much stronger signal than you and he isn't breaking pileups as quickly as you.

Chris/NU1O
If he's smart, he'll keep letting you believe that sig strength has the weight in a CW pile-up that you believe it does and he'll keep the method to himself.

John AE5X
http://www.ae5x.com/blog

John,

I've only had a legal limit amplifier for a little over 1 year and the Bencher Skyhawk for just one month.  I did not get to 315 countries with brute force, far from it. I learned how to break CW pileups using techniques I learned in W9KNI's book which I read when I was first licensed in 1988
That book has become what I consider my best DX accessory here in the shack and it's my first recommendation to a new DXer.

73,

John AE5X


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KA1J on November 12, 2012, 01:32:12 PM
Sadly, the on line database is up And though I "worked" PT0S on 160 @ 1:33 and 80 @ 4:52 on 11/12, my call is not in their database. They have 533 QSOs listed to date.

http://pt0s.com/search.html

I took the liberty of checking everyone's call in this list and the only two calls that came up as present were W4VKU and K5JZ, both on 160.

There may be an unexpected number of pirates...

Rats... Back to zero...


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AE5X on November 12, 2012, 01:36:20 PM
At present it only shows 533 QSOs in the db so it's probably an incomplete upload.
We hope...!

John AE5X
http://www.ae5x.com/blog


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: VE3YF on November 12, 2012, 01:37:45 PM
Sadly, the on line database is up And though I "worked" PT0S on 160 @ 1:33 and 80 @ 4:52 on 11/12, my call is not in their database. They have 533 QSOs listed to date.

http://pt0s.com/search.html

I took the liberty of checking everyone's call in this list and the only two calls that came up as present were W4VKU and K5JZ, both on 160.

There may be an unexpected number of pirates...

Rats... Back to zero...

Guys:

If your not in the log, dont fret, only 533 qso's are this installment. More to come though. They mention that the LOTW upload has also happened but cant find the PT0S callsign in the LOTW list. Oh well can wait, no big deal.


73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 12, 2012, 01:47:14 PM
Yep, absolutely an incomplete log and certainly from the very early hours of their operation,i.e when they came on the
air and on 160m. So not to despair. The Q's should all be in there and hopefully will show up in a subsequent upload or
else i would be darned.

Ryan, FB on the operating tactics. We have an old rig here FT990. Does not even supply an external IF for a panadapter.
A modern rig is what is lacking here along with a pan adapter. Well, at some point will add one. But for now, will need to
jump back and forth between the VFO's and scan thru the wall of noise.  ;D
Krish


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 12, 2012, 01:48:07 PM
Sometimes I go to a quiet frequency where I can be heard. That works more effectively than you believe, especially if the DX is not using a pattern and just tuning up/down. The usual stuff applies - listen (and listen and listen). Can't believe how many guys just don't listen.

Not too long ago (I think it was a month or so) I described the way I broke a pileup in a post to this forum.  There was a big CW pileup, say from 14.030 to 14.035, and rather than join the gang I transmitted about 500 Hertz higher than the top edge of the pileup.  The DX station came back to me in just a few calls.  Since I'm a big baseball fan I used a baseball analogy and wrote, "I simply hit it where they ain't."  I will try to find the post and repost it.

Ryan, isn't that basically what you did (you avoided the bulk of the pileup) and do you think you are the only ham using that "method"?

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: VE3YF on November 12, 2012, 02:00:13 PM
Sometimes I go to a quiet frequency where I can be heard. That works more effectively than you believe, especially if the DX is not using a pattern and just tuning up/down. The usual stuff applies - listen (and listen and listen). Can't believe how many guys just don't listen.

Not too long ago (I think it was a month or so) I described the way I broke a pileup in a post to this forum.  There was a big CW pileup, say from 14.030 to 14.035, and rather than join the gang I transmitted about 500 Hertz higher than the top edge of the pileup.  The DX station came back to me in just a few calls.  Since I'm a big baseball fan I used a baseball analogy and wrote, "I simply hit it where they ain't."  I will try to find the post and repost it.

Ryan, isn't that basically what you did (you avoided the bulk of the pileup) and do you think you are the only ham using that "method"?

73,

Chris/NU1O


Chris:

That is almost what I do, except once I know where their split range is, I just go up a bit and find a definate clear spot and monitor my freq to make sure a big gun doesn't clobber me. Takes me a tad longer to get the QSO, but it works. I guess its true "patience is a virtue". The same principal worked for me today in both my SSB contacts with PT0S, after they were done working Asia, SA, and Africa 5 up. I sat up about 8 and got them in a minute or so, sure beats sitting 5 up and in the big pileup...

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 12, 2012, 02:01:34 PM

 Since I'm a big baseball fan I used a baseball analogy and wrote, "I simply hit it where they ain't."  I will try to find the post and repost it.

From the movie battleship - "Art of war:- Fight the enemy where they aren't"  ;D



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 12, 2012, 02:05:23 PM
Ryan, isn't that basically what you did (you avoided the bulk of the pileup) and do you think you are the only ham using that "method"?

73,

Chris/NU1O

It's one of many things I do.

I am definitely not calling it luck, as my success with my methods are pretty consistent. That and a decent station helps too.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 12, 2012, 02:11:21 PM
Sometimes I go to a quiet frequency where I can be heard. That works more effectively than you believe, especially if the DX is not using a pattern and just tuning up/down. The usual stuff applies - listen (and listen and listen). Can't believe how many guys just don't listen.



Chris:

That is almost what I do, except once I know where their split range is, I just go up a bit and find a definate clear spot and monitor my freq to make sure a big gun doesn't clobber me.

>>> Most often, when i QSY up and find a clear spot way up and call, for some reason, after a few calls, the next
big gun is right by or on and then the next and the next and sooner rather than later, it is a wall on the pan adapter. Such
has been my observation with PT0S pile. ;D, but it works most often.

73 De Mike
VE3YF



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NI0C on November 12, 2012, 02:13:00 PM
Was glad to see my 80m QSO early Sunday morning is good in the log.  I was listening to the 80m and 40m pileups last night/early this morning and they were as rough and disorderly as I've ever seen.  When PT0S came back to someone, it seemed 90% of the pileup came back to him, becuse my P3 panadaptor display didn't look any different than if he had sent QRZ?

It wasn't nearly as bad on Sunday morning, perhaps the hordes weren't yet aware the operation was QRV.

GL to all & 73,
Chuck  NI0C


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 12, 2012, 02:39:31 PM
You guys working PY0S on 30, 40, 80 and especially 160 meters deserve much credit.  It's still not prime time for Low Band DXing and the QRN levels are still high.

And, aside from 40 meters the great majority of QSOs are with wire antennas.

ON4UN has encouraged me to load up my tower but even if I do that there is not a whole lot of space to lay ground radials due to a swimming pool and a small yard to start with. 

I just asked my neighbor to trim some branches which are in my yard and hitting my beam when the tower is cranked down but the work will have to be done in his yard and he didn't even want to go and look at the trees.  He just said it was OK to do.  I've found out he is very likely putting the house up for sale next spring and retiring to Florida.  Now, if I could lay buried radials all over his yard and combine them with the few in my yard I'd have a decent radial system.

Since I would only be going down a few inches the odds are very slim that I would break his sprinkler system.  I could also string up an 80 meter dipole using one of his trees and hope the new owners don't notice or care.

Anybody have any thoughts? This current neighbor never said boo to me in all the years he has lived here so I'm probably due for a bad neighbor. It's either lay the ground system in the spring when he moves or forget about a decent radial system. What do I do?

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W5RDW on November 12, 2012, 02:40:27 PM
My 40M CW contact is in their log! That is the one I was worried about, as the noise level here was extremely high and I was half asleep, being awoken by DXHunter!


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NI0C on November 12, 2012, 03:08:18 PM
NU1O wrote:
Quote
Now, if I could lay buried radials all over his yard and combine them with the few in my yard I'd have a decent radial system.

Since I would only be going down a few inches the odds are very slim that I would break his sprinkler system.  I could also string up an 80 meter dipole using one of his trees and hope the new owners don't notice or care.

Anybody have any thoughts? This current neighbor never said boo to me in all the years he has lived here so I'm probably due for a bad neighbor. It's either lay the ground system in the spring when he moves or forget about a decent radial system. What do I do?

73,


I've been tempted to trespass and install clandestine radials, but have never actually done so.  I don't recommend it, for a lot of reasons.

See what you can do with a radial system on just your own property.  I've never had the luxury of full length radials 360 degrees around the base of my verticals. 

73,
Chuck  NI0C


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: VE3YF on November 12, 2012, 03:17:14 PM
You guys working PY0S on 30, 40, 80 and especially 160 meters deserve much credit.  It's still not prime time for Low Band DXing and the QRN levels are still high.

And, aside from 40 meters the great majority of QSOs are with wire antennas.

ON4UN has encouraged me to load up my tower but even if I do that there is not a whole lot of space to lay ground radials due to a swimming pool and a small yard to start with. 

I just asked my neighbor to trim some branches which are in my yard and hitting my beam when the tower is cranked down but the work will have to be done in his yard and he didn't even want to go and look at the trees.  He just said it was OK to do.  I've found out he is very likely putting the house up for sale next spring and retiring to Florida.  Now, if I could lay buried radials all over his yard and combine them with the few in my yard I'd have a decent radial system.

Since I would only be going down a few inches the odds are very slim that I would break his sprinkler system.  I could also string up an 80 meter dipole using one of his trees and hope the new owners don't notice or care.

Anybody have any thoughts? This current neighbor never said boo to me in all the years he has lived here so I'm probably due for a bad neighbor. It's either lay the ground system in the spring when he moves or forget about a decent radial system. What do I do?

73,

Chris/NU1O

Chris:

What you could do is lay as many radials in a 360 degree pattern within the confines of your property. Some maybe longer than the others due to the contraints of your yard, but that wont matter. I have about 50 radials under my vertical and some are as short as 4 feet and others are as long as 30 feet. Your best is to lay them down now, and when the grass starts growing again in the spring it will be all covered up. I just laid them on the grass rather tight and used lawn staples to keep them flat etc, and by late spring cutting the grass was not a problem. I have been told years ago not to worry about resonant length as when on the ground they get detuned, just lay as many as you can. Same goes if you use your neighbors yard, by summer no one will know they are even there...

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W5RDW on November 12, 2012, 03:36:18 PM
I have a Hy Tower located 5 ft. from my lot line/8 ft. wooden fence. For those radials that go toward the fence, I just turned them at an angle to run parallel to the fence. It may looked funny, but I got at least 60 radials down. I cut the grass short before I laid the radials down, used staples to hold the wire flat to the ground and within a month, the grass was staring to grow over the radials. Now, no one would know how much copper I have out there!


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W2IRT on November 12, 2012, 03:44:32 PM
Isn't that like 1.5 Giga-Watts, albeit for a short time?  You better not let your wife see this month's electric bill.   :D

More like 1.21 jiggawatts.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N5MOA on November 12, 2012, 04:10:22 PM
Sadly, the on line database is up And though I "worked" PT0S on 160 @ 1:33 and 80 @ 4:52 on 11/12, my call is not in their database. They have 533 QSOs listed to date.

http://pt0s.com/search.html

I took the liberty of checking everyone's call in this list and the only two calls that came up as present were W4VKU and K5JZ, both on 160.

There may be an unexpected number of pirates...

Rats... Back to zero...


It just isn't posted there yet.

"Last QSOs in the Database: 0927 UTC 11 November 2012"

Both your qsos, and my 12m ssb @17:17 11/11 and 40m cw @ 0900 11/12, are after the last qso in the log.

Surprisingly small pileup this morning on 40m.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2NL on November 12, 2012, 04:55:42 PM

I just asked my neighbor to trim some branches which are in my yard and hitting my beam when the tower is cranked down but the work will have to be done in his yard and he didn't even want to go and look at the trees.  He just said it was OK to do.  I've found out he is very likely putting the house up for sale next spring and retiring to Florida.  Now, if I could lay buried radials all over his yard and combine them with the few in my yard I'd have a decent radial system.

Since I would only be going down a few inches the odds are very slim that I would break his sprinkler system.  I could also string up an 80 meter dipole using one of his trees and hope the new owners don't notice or care.

Anybody have any thoughts? This current neighbor never said boo to me in all the years he has lived here so I'm probably due for a bad neighbor. It's either lay the ground system in the spring when he moves or forget about a decent radial system. What do I do?

73,

Chris/NU1O

If he is willing, why not (1) cut his grass for him short (2) lay radials down directly onto the ground then (3) staple the radials down with bent pieces of wire.  Offer to cut his grass for a couple more months - and cut it long the first couple times.  Within a month or so, if the grass is growing, the radials will be completely invisible and out of harms way from the lawn mower.

Run more radials in directions where you can to compensate for directions where you can't.  Likewise, you can use chicken wire - lay it down when you need it, roll it back up when done.

73, Dave


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KD6KVL on November 12, 2012, 06:21:37 PM
W2IRT wrote:
"I have one very doubtful 12m call -- they got the IRT but I'm think they busted the W2--a frequency cop was chasing off a lid when he came back to me and I missed their reply"

Pretty sure thats the qso I heard from you, sounded clean to me!

I took about an hour following his last qso to make mine on 17 last night.
I will agree that many aren't looking for the last guy worked and trying to find the pattern.

For instance, today on 15 cw, so many partials called and everyone calls, they're not listening and finding the last guy worked, or looking for the partial in the pileup.

I feel proud it took me about an hour of finding and listening to get in.  I've heard some locals here who have spent all day just sending the call over and over.
Its an up hill battle to just sit and call, camping on a frequency from the spotter.
How many worked the V85 thast they thought was the PT0? People don't listen, and many have no idea beyond turning on the Alpha and K3 and blasting away everytime the DX speaks.
There is a skill involved that will get qso's in the log vs. just power and calling at some random spot in the pile up.  I think we used to call them QRP'ers, lack of REAL skill.

Congrats to anyone who gets in the log, this is not an easy one, but skill and listening does pay off.

Frank KG6N


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: WG5G on November 12, 2012, 06:43:48 PM
To KA1J, had me worried, Im in the log as WG5G/QRP, that was my insurance qso that I made 15 minutes after the initial WG5G qso guess they eliminated the dupe, it was so easy I couldnt resist working them again, glad I did, may not get another chance the way its going, 73, Dan WG5G.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W2IRT on November 12, 2012, 08:25:57 PM
Quote
W2IRT wrote:
"I have one very doubtful 12m call -- they got the IRT but I'm think they busted the W2--a frequency cop was chasing off a lid when he came back to me and I missed their reply"

Pretty sure thats the qso I heard from you, sounded clean to me!
I hope so. I have 3 in the log: 12m SSB (this one), 17CW and 80 CW, both of which I'm 100% sure of--assuming I worked the real deal and not ol' Slim.

I'd give anything, though, for just one single 160m QSO from these guys. I couldn't care less about any other bands for them, including the ones I don't/didn't have. For me it's all about getting 160 in the log. 80 was nice, but I'd trade it in a heartbeat for Topband.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N1UK on November 12, 2012, 08:42:17 PM
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I'd give anything, though, for just one single 160m QSO from these guys.

I got one on 160m tonight.  Good old sloper.

Also I couldn't believe how loud they were on 80m and how weak they were on 20m this evening.


Mark N1UK


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 12, 2012, 08:54:58 PM
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I'd give anything, though, for just one single 160m QSO from these guys.

I got one on 160m tonight.  Good old sloper.

Also I couldn't believe how loud they were on 80m and how weak they were on 20m this evening.

>> They were loud on 80m ssb. Missed it due to stepping away for family time. May be another day.
    They were also copyable on 160m without any hearing aids (i mean Rx antenna). Now if only those
    Lids and tuner uppers behaved, listening would not be catastrophic with high AF gain. Scared to
    turn off AGC.


Mark N1UK


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 12, 2012, 10:14:31 PM
Guys, thanks for the ideas about the ground radials in my neighbor's yard.  He's really doing me a big favor by allowing me to cut down two mostly dead trees that interfere with my beam when it's at a certain direction and the tower cranked down half way. The tree that stops me from doing a 360 degree turn when the tower is cranked all the way down is in good shape and the tree service was originally just going to prune a few branches, but given time those branches will be back in my yard but with a new neighbor who could be good or not so good. The tree service now suggests cutting down the whole tree and since it's not a very big one the additional cost would only be about $150. IMO, that's an inexpensive price to cure the problem permanently. I will ask my neighbor for permission before I chop down a healthy tree.

He has been a real good neighbor in that I never heard from him for years so asking for permission to lay down chicken wire over most of his yard is out of the question since I doubt he would ever go for it. As the old saying does. "Pigs get fat; hogs get slaughtered!"  If I do the covert operation it will be if he moves before selling his home and while the home is empty.  In that case I'd make some 3 inch slits and lay down single strands of copper wire. A whole yard of chicken wire is just too much. Eventually the new neighbors will find it and trace it to me.

I appreciate the posts by W5RDW, NI0C, VE3YF, and N2NL.  I should first try to lay down as much copper in my own yard as possible albeit at weird angles and parallel to my fences when I run out of space. That may solve the desire to infringe on a neighbor's yard w/o permission.

I can already see 20 meters closing not too long after sunset and if I don't put up decent antennas for 30 and 40 I may as well shut off the rig after sunset when the SFI starts heading down in earnest.

When the tree service representative was here I asked him if they could raise my wires as high as safely possible and he said yes, so an 80 meter loop at 55 feet maybe my last choice if nothing else works satisfactorily.

One last thing, my Bencher Skyhawk will load up on 30 and 40 meters and I can run legal limit using the Palstar AT5K but signal levels drop about 2 to 3 S-units.  Sometimes the noise drops more than the signal so the Signal to Noise Ratio improves but I'm afraid my transmit signal drops considerably with the Skyhawk.  I guess I could always transmit with the inverted V and receive with the Skyhawk.

73,

Chris/NU1O



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 13, 2012, 12:07:28 AM
Chris:

What you could do is lay as many radials in a 360 degree pattern within the confines of your property. Some maybe longer than the others due to the contraints of your yard, but that wont matter. I have about 50 radials under my vertical and some are as short as 4 feet and others are as long as 30 feet. Your best is to lay them down now, and when the grass starts growing again in the spring it will be all covered up. I just laid them on the grass rather tight and used lawn staples to keep them flat etc, and by late spring cutting the grass was not a problem. I have been told years ago not to worry about resonant length as when on the ground they get detuned, just lay as many as you can. Same goes if you use your neighbors yard, by summer no one will know they are even there...

73 De Mike
VE3YF

Hi Mike,

So you did not take the quarter wave frequency (I think it is 234/F) and cut the radials to that length.  You just cut a radial to the length that would fit in the given length?

Since I can't put the Butternut Vertical in the center of the backyard since the swimming pool is there it will be off to one side or another.   I do have front sections on the right and left side of the house which are separated by a concrete driveway.  I never given thought to laying ground radials in the front sections and tying them to the backyard system since I was under the impression they had to be in a 360 degree circle. The ground radials in the front yard would be blocked by the house since the Butternut is only about 28 feet tall and the house is about the same height and would be blocking the vertical signals.

Does it make sense to lay those ground radials in the front yard sections?  Also, in the back yard is the general idea to simply put down as much copper as possible?  For example in the back of the swimming pool I have an area of yard about 75 feet long by 20 feet.  Would it help to lay a 75 foot wire every foot or so and ultimately connect those 20 wires to the Vertical?  Finally does the wire gauge matter and does it matter if the wire is insulated or bare?

Most literature assumes one has a 360 degree circle to lay down radials evenly spaced and of the same length, yet that is no doubt the exception for amateurs. One needs a good deal of acreage to construct the ground radial system modeled after the AM broadcasters.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: VE3YF on November 13, 2012, 01:58:52 AM
Chris:

What you could do is lay as many radials in a 360 degree pattern within the confines of your property. Some maybe longer than the others due to the contraints of your yard, but that wont matter. I have about 50 radials under my vertical and some are as short as 4 feet and others are as long as 30 feet. Your best is to lay them down now, and when the grass starts growing again in the spring it will be all covered up. I just laid them on the grass rather tight and used lawn staples to keep them flat etc, and by late spring cutting the grass was not a problem. I have been told years ago not to worry about resonant length as when on the ground they get detuned, just lay as many as you can. Same goes if you use your neighbors yard, by summer no one will know they are even there...

73 De Mike
VE3YF

Hi Mike,

So you did not take the quarter wave frequency (I think it is 234/F) and cut the radials to that length.  You just cut a radial to the length that would fit in the given length?

Since I can't put the Butternut Vertical in the center of the backyard since the swimming pool is there it will be off to one side or another.   I do have front sections on the right and left side of the house which are separated by a concrete driveway.  I never given thought to laying ground radials in the front sections and tying them to the backyard system since I was under the impression they had to be in a 360 degree circle. The ground radials in the front yard would be blocked by the house since the Butternut is only about 28 feet tall and the house is about the same height and would be blocking the vertical signals.

Does it make sense to lay those ground radials in the front yard sections?  Also, in the back yard is the general idea to simply put down as much copper as possible?  For example in the back of the swimming pool I have an area of yard about 75 feet long by 20 feet.  Would it help to lay a 75 foot wire every foot or so and ultimately connect those 20 wires to the Vertical?  Finally does the wire gauge matter and does it matter if the wire is insulated or bare?

Most literature assumes one has a 360 degree circle to lay down radials evenly spaced and of the same length, yet that is no doubt the exception for amateurs. One needs a good deal of acreage to construct the ground radial system modeled after the AM broadcasters.

73,

Chris/NU1O

Hi Chris:

Correct, I did not use the formula and just just cut the wire to the length that my area would allow. I would think that it doesn't matter if the radials go into the front yard, just as long as you put down as much wire as you can. Each situation will be different and performance will also vary. You will never know how good the system works until you are done. I have been thinking about adding even more, I dont think it should be a problem in my case as I use insulated wire and even if the radials are an inch apart it should be of some benefit. I would think also if your soil is moist rather than dry it would even be better.

Now if I could do something with my 160m sloper, it works great into Asia and OC etc, but crap into Europe and Africa. Maybe it is time to put up another sloper for those area's, problem being my lot size isn't the greatest.

Oh one last thing Chris, if you can lay the wire down now, I would go for it, this way you have the radials in place for the winter and come spring once the grass starts growing you will be all set, let nature take care of things for you over winter...

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: VE3YF on November 13, 2012, 02:01:07 AM
Quote
W2IRT wrote:
"I have one very doubtful 12m call -- they got the IRT but I'm think they busted the W2--a frequency cop was chasing off a lid when he came back to me and I missed their reply"

Pretty sure thats the qso I heard from you, sounded clean to me!
I hope so. I have 3 in the log: 12m SSB (this one), 17CW and 80 CW, both of which I'm 100% sure of--assuming I worked the real deal and not ol' Slim.

I'd give anything, though, for just one single 160m QSO from these guys. I couldn't care less about any other bands for them, including the ones I don't/didn't have. For me it's all about getting 160 in the log. 80 was nice, but I'd trade it in a heartbeat for Topband.

Peter:

I think you have nothing to worry about about, I was listening and I could have sworn they got your call correct. Plus with a week or so left you will have plenty of time in case it was a busted call. Good Luck...

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K5JZ on November 13, 2012, 02:03:44 AM
Sadly, the on line database is up And though I "worked" PT0S on 160 @ 1:33 and 80 @ 4:52 on 11/12, my call is not in their database. They have 533 QSOs listed to date.

http://pt0s.com/search.html

I took the liberty of checking everyone's call in this list and the only two calls that came up as present were W4VKU and K5JZ, both on 160.

There may be an unexpected number of pirates...

Rats... Back to zero...


My buddy Charlie WD5BJT worked them on 160 at 0655z and he is not in their log. I heard the QSO solid both ways so I do not have an answer. GL and I hope you get them again for a backup!

73,
George K5JZ


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K5JZ on November 13, 2012, 04:20:05 AM
I worked them on 30 meters this morning at 0849z 10138.5 down 2. He was loud! He would disappear and then return after a bit. He left about 0950z only to return twice more and finally quit 30m by 1040z. They were on 18140.00 listening up 5 to 20 and loud at 1120z! They were workable before sunrise here in Mississippi... it is 1217z now and they are a solid s7. He is working NA, SA and Europe. Hint... when he says "Listening up, up" he is listening at the top of his spread.

GL all... I am down to needing PT0S on 6m. I have all other bands and modes provided by previous operations (other than the 160 and 30 meter Q's that this team provided).

73,
George K5JZ


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AJ4RW on November 13, 2012, 05:45:35 AM
Thank God for the DVR!!!
Randy


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 13, 2012, 05:50:58 AM
Will need to catch some sleep to chase them on 40m and 30m. They seem to come up on those around their sunrise,
which is like 3am EST.

got em 20m cw, 17m ssb and 10m ssb this Am. They were loud on SSB both bands.

Krish
w4vku


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 13, 2012, 06:57:57 AM

Hi Chris:

Correct, I did not use the formula and just just cut the wire to the length that my area would allow. I would think that it doesn't matter if the radials go into the front yard, just as long as you put down as much wire as you can. Each situation will be different and performance will also vary. You will never know how good the system works until you are done. I have been thinking about adding even more, I dont think it should be a problem in my case as I use insulated wire and even if the radials are an inch apart it should be of some benefit. I would think also if your soil is moist rather than dry it would even be better.

Now if I could do something with my 160m sloper, it works great into Asia and OC etc, but crap into Europe and Africa. Maybe it is time to put up another sloper for those area's, problem being my lot size isn't the greatest.

Oh one last thing Chris, if you can lay the wire down now, I would go for it, this way you have the radials in place for the winter and come spring once the grass starts growing you will be all set, let nature take care of things for you over winter...

73 De Mike
VE3YF

Mike,

Your help is much appreciated.  If I lay ground wires in the front section I could have a considerable amount of copper down and I could space it close together in the back.  I have always read the more the better.  We will just have to see how the vertical compares to the Inverted V next spring.

73 and thanks,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 13, 2012, 06:58:31 AM
Quote
I'd give anything, though, for just one single 160m QSO from these guys.

I got one on 160m tonight.  Good old sloper.

Also I couldn't believe how loud they were on 80m and how weak they were on 20m this evening.


Mark N1UK

I tried 160 for a bit but no luck. For me, 160 requires patience since I don't have a good antenna system as I'd like just yet (inverted L, vertical portion 70ft, 3 elevated radials for tx, phased Beverages for receive). But I figure maybe an hour a night I might get lucky.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N5UD on November 13, 2012, 09:25:59 AM
I finally made an effort to work these guys. Took a chance on the lower bands. It has been noisy up here with storms around.
I feel pretty lucky. 80M CW 40M CW and 40M SSB all from the pickup truck. Both of the 40M QSO's I was in motion. Headed for home and the sack.
40M SSB was 1st or second call.

Heard them on 30M, and called a few times. They seemed to want JA.

Team of good ops.

73 Tony N5UD /M


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N1UK on November 13, 2012, 10:33:08 AM
Quote
I tried 160 for a bit but no luck. For me, 160 requires patience since I don't have a good antenna system as I'd like just yet (inverted L, vertical portion 70ft, 3 elevated radials for tx, phased Beverages for receive). But I figure maybe an hour a night I might get lucky.

You have more than me. TX on half wave sloper and rx on tx ant or 40m four square.


Mark N1UK


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 13, 2012, 12:11:02 PM
My W7IUV flag works well, but without a preamp, i could not copy them well. So instead used the Inv-L vertical,
cut the RF gain down, AF gain up, enabled the notch with some IF shift and then copied them. I have been doing the
same for 2 days in a row and can copy their signals. For NC, the peak time is between 1 to 3UTC, but i was able to
hear their signals well into 6UTC on their day #1 for 160m. Just figure out when the peak is for your geography and
optimize the effort. But again, this is just based on prop prediction and mother nature could surprise us.

I am hoping that they continue their regimen of 160m and 80m at sunset and then after hanging on for 4 or so hours to
work coast to coast, they move on to 40m and 30m. It will have to be an early morning camp out to work them
on 40/30m, since it peaks up at 3Am local EST.

Good luck to those that need em on Topband.

Krish


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 13, 2012, 03:20:51 PM
Well, I am back at it....... trying to get that ATNO.  I have been QRT for a couple days. Not by choice, but  due to an unavoidable situation regarding a new rig,  problem, etc. etc.  By catching up on my forum
reading here, it does not look like I missed too much. BTW, the pileups and width of splits STILL look hellacious.

No luck yet, but with what looks like around 6 week days left + a weekend, (which will not be condusive
to a successful QSO if it was anything like last weekend) I am going to get serious(er) ;D about trying to nab the guys.  JUST ONE would be FINE! ::)

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 13, 2012, 03:54:57 PM
Anyone chasing them on 40m LSB (7155), good luck getting past the red necks on frequency causing Qrm,
protesting against the large spread taking away their net frequency.

Krish
w4vku


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W2IRT on November 13, 2012, 04:01:49 PM
I think I may have gotten them on 160, I caught my suffix or what I thought was my suffix but QSB took over. I've got it in the log and will keep all appendages firmly crossed until confirmed in the online log.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AJ4RW on November 13, 2012, 04:03:40 PM
Wow, what a mess on 40 tonite.  The net-nutters were going crazy.  From the cluster post it looks like a 40 kc bandwidth split for PT0S and the net-nutters were trying to jam up a storm.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB2FCV on November 13, 2012, 04:35:33 PM
Wow, this is probably the worst I have ever heard in my years of being a ham on 40 SSB tonight.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: VE3YF on November 13, 2012, 04:38:24 PM
Wow, what a mess on 40 tonite.  The net-nutters were going crazy.  From the cluster post it looks like a 40 kc bandwidth split for PT0S and the net-nutters were trying to jam up a storm.

Randy:

Your comment is quite the under estimate. (I think that is the word...). At any rate, it is a real mess, I worked them on 7160.50, but what a hard time to pull his call out of the mess sitting on 7155. I can understand that with such a wide spread that some nets etc will be inconvienced, but the language and actions of people on 7155 just is incredible. Thanks that I will not have to revisit 40m, I missed them last night on 80m, wonder if it was the same. CW is somewhat gentler, but still it seems that some nuts do not like the PT0S team as constant QRM on their fregs....

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AJ8MH on November 13, 2012, 04:38:33 PM
Tonight, 40 meters is a sad commentary on ham radio in the United States.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N1RND on November 13, 2012, 04:58:07 PM
Tonight, 40 meters is a sad commentary on ham radio in the United States.
Yup, I agree.  I finally have my station back on the air and could hear PT0S on 40 phone.  I was getting ready to jump in and then heard all the foolishness.  I'll maybe try on CW.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 13, 2012, 05:01:02 PM
Just got them in the log on 40 after a few calls. I agree, it's a zoo, featuring an extensive alligator exhibit.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K7KB on November 13, 2012, 05:39:35 PM
Actually 40M SSB was my easiest contact so far. Only took 3 or 4 calls to get in the log and I was glad to get it for a new band plus a insurance QSO in case my 17M didn't get logged. The net naggers were there causing interference but not as loud as PT0S :)

John K7KB


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 13, 2012, 05:44:07 PM
There was some QRM yesterday on 80mcw, but not as bad as the behavior on 40m ssb today.
 
At any rate, i still don't understand the reason why the PT0S team leaves an open ended spread for split.
They do not want to antagonize either EU nor NA, but this is not the way to solve the problem. The
spread is too huge. Limit it to 20 kcs or 25kcs and go EU, NA , AF, SA .... and within the bounds, if it still
gets messy, go by numbers, pick just 4 or 5 calls per number. No system is perfect, but something is
better than an open spread. Today, folks were all piled up on multiples of 5, leaving good gaps. Could
not even hear Eu in those gaps on 40m ssb on the yagi.

On 40m cw, there was a nut trying to CQ with a 9Y5 call, but the signal was not coming from 9Y5 and the callsign
was invalid.

krish


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 13, 2012, 05:48:11 PM
Actually 40M SSB was my easiest contact so far. Only took 3 or 4 calls to get in the log and I was glad to get it for a new band plus a insurance QSO in case my 17M didn't get logged. The net naggers were there causing interference but not as loud as PT0S :)

>>> The DX was loud, almost 20 over. That helped. At one point i heard that they were in NC and i got the headphones
 off and left. They were so loud that they were literally wiping off the Dx.
 
John K7KB



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AJ4RW on November 13, 2012, 05:59:39 PM
I read somewhere that the PT0S team was working on getting this problem straightened out.  The PT0S team is working their behinds off trying to get setup on the rock.  I appreciate everything the PT0S team has done and it's a shame that this happened tonight.  This is one of many reasons I'm not a net fan.  Sad, sad situation.  Thanks PT0S team.
Randy


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N1UK on November 13, 2012, 06:17:10 PM
Yes it was shameful tonight on 40m.

Maybe if he was transmitting on 7125, out of the US phone band, and listening up 7130 to 7140 or so, that might help. It would make the qrm'ers out of band and I don't think there are "red-nets" in that region.


Mark N1UK


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 13, 2012, 06:20:21 PM
I read somewhere that the PT0S team was working on getting this problem straightened out.  The PT0S team is working their behinds off trying to get setup on the rock.  I appreciate everything the PT0S team has done and it's a shame that this happened tonight.  This is one of many reasons I'm not a net fan.  Sad, sad situation.  Thanks PT0S team.
Randy

Just want to re-iterate that we appreciate and are very thankful for the ATNO offered by the PT0S team. My comment
was just an effort to make the operation perfect on their part. This AM, on 10m SSB, QSO's were wiped out about
50kcs up by the callers. At any rate, the team is not going to know if there are any Q's in progress, even within say a
30kcs spread.
-krish


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K7KB on November 13, 2012, 06:30:49 PM
Well I can understand why the OMISS net? was upset by the large spread. I guess that reminds us as DX'ers we have a responsibility to listen on our calling frequency to make sure we don't interfere with someone. At the same time, the net had no right to send their police to patrol those who were accidentally calling on their net. That is intentional interference. And you would hope they would understand that this might be the last operation from St. P & P for quite sometime. Let's just hope the team can tighten up the spread a bit so that it doesn't become the zoo like it did this evening.

John K7KB


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N1UK on November 13, 2012, 06:36:13 PM
Yes it is the responsibility of callers to listen on a frequency before they start calling there. To just blindly start calling on a frequency where there is an existing QSO or net is very wrong.

Mark N1UK


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KF7CSO on November 13, 2012, 06:53:11 PM
I've had my license for a little over three years. This was the worst behavior I've heard so far.

On the plus side,I did hear the DX well so I managed to get in a few attempts. I'll keep at it.  :)


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N5MOA on November 13, 2012, 07:11:46 PM
Yes it is the responsibility of callers to listen on a frequency before they start calling there. To just blindly start calling on a frequency where there is an existing QSO or net is very wrong.

Mark N1UK

X2





..... those who were accidentally calling on their net. That is intentional interference.

John K7KB


If you didn't/don't/can't be  bothered to listen first, it is no "accident". Yes it was intentional interference, first by the pileup, then by the net ops. Made for a pretty messy "right".


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K3STX on November 13, 2012, 08:13:08 PM
Hooray, I got my 160M contact. I am done. Split coming down in size.

paul


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N5MOA on November 14, 2012, 04:55:07 AM
Congrats on the 160m catch, Paul.

My chances on a 160m qso are near zero, unless their noise levels drop and everyone else stops transmitting.  :P


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NI0C on November 14, 2012, 05:07:28 AM
Congrats to Paul, K3STX, K5JZ and others who have made it on Top Band!

I hope to be QRV on 160m by tomorrow night.  This morning after breakfast, I'm planning on re-assembling my MA160V 160m vertical in the back yard so I can be ready when a couple of my friends from the Mississippi Valley DX & Contest Club come over tomorrow morning to help me put it up in place of the MA8040V.  Our roving antenna committee is one of the best features of our club, and I'm proud to be a part of it.

73,
Chuck  NI0C


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KA1J on November 14, 2012, 05:35:17 AM
The on-line log still says:

Sorry no QSOs found for KA1J!

There are 533 QSOs in the Database

Last QSOs in the Database: 0927 UTC 11 November 2012

I hope they get their on-line log up to date soon, I'd like to stop chasing them. I think I've worked them twice but each time I listened for the acknowledgement, lid/QRM stepped on their frequency.

73,
Gary
KA1J


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K3STX on November 14, 2012, 05:52:50 AM
My chances on a 160m qso are near zero...

Not true. I have found the op goes QRX not infrequently (overactive bladder? ;D) and seems to leave his RX frequency EXACTLY where it was when he left; I got him just as he returned. I use 400 watts and a inverted L 70 feet vertical/60 horizontal with about 10 radials (none longer than 35 feet). By the way, my wire antenna is right at a fence line with my neighbor, NONE of my radials go on his property, they are all in a small "half-moon".

I had to listen on my Europe-oriented Pennant! The inv. L was too noisy. Even on the Pennant I had the attenuator in line so I could clearly hear PT0S.

paul


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 14, 2012, 08:08:36 AM
Not Yet >:( .  I tried a couple hours this AM...... first 12m and then 15m.  Nadda.
I find it very hard to believe that George and Tomi are in charge of this show. I
have worked them before on several of their trips. This is NOT the way they operate. Unruly
pileups not being managed as they USUALLY manage them. Maybe its the other ops in the daylight and
George and Tomi at nite.

Never saw any operation change bands so quickly/often (Maybe they cannot hear, according
to their web site... I cannot think of any other reason.) 599+ here, and then they are GONE to another band which is readable, but not nearly as loud.  ADD to that.....QRX after QRX after QRX.(Pissalot??)
HUGE splits.... Working SA 5 min, ASIA 5 min, JA 5 min, AF 5 min, EU 5 min, etc. etc. Makes no sense to me.
And NO, before you ask......... I could not do any better, but that does not change things.

And of course, the larger than usual pile of dickheads jamming or sending on the DX freq, or
just tapping their keyer or tuning, running their keyer full bore on dahs.........etc.

I may try again this afternoon.... I am not too sure I am going to worry if I dont get this
one.  I have better things to do than to sit here and send my call for hour upon hour. I believe Peter said he spent 14 hours calling when they first were QRV.  No offense, but hell would freeze over before I would ever do that.  An hour or two at a time is more than enough for me. So maybe I wont get them, if it takes 12 - 14 hours constant calling.
I think I may have made it this AM, but unsure, as the TUNER started up when the DX was giving my call back to me.  I doubt it tho. ::)

GL..... 73, Gene AF3Y

UPDATE:  They started on 10m CW around 1600.  Guess what at 1610?  You got it....... QRX  ::)  QRX... still not back at 1635.  I am done until tonight or whenever I have nothing else to do.






Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W2IRT on November 14, 2012, 08:22:29 AM
Congrats on the 160m catch, Paul.
My chances on a 160m qso are near zero, unless their noise levels drop and everyone else stops transmitting.  :P

I hear ya, man. I'm in the same ballpark. A zillion calls made thus far and at best a partial. I'm hopeful, I guess. They're improving their TX antenna today, which could be more problematic. The louder they get, more people will call just making the pileups even deeper. I'm really hoping their online log gets updated soonishly. I bagged them on 10m CW easily this morning, and if all my contacts were legit (and if I'm in the log on 160) then I'm done with St. P&P everywhere and every mode.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 14, 2012, 08:40:46 AM
You feel lucky if you can spot the last Q. People call even when the Op is calling out another station and everyone
replies. What the heck.

Now, this makes it hard for those without pan adapters(like me). One choice is to sit on a freq, call and hope
the op scans and picks you up , ie if the pile does not advance and clobber you at that time.

Just need the logs posted online and can push back and take it easy for another week until the ZL9 comes online
and the zoo starts all over again :)

Krish


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 14, 2012, 08:44:31 AM
You feel lucky if you can spot the last Q. People call even when the Op is calling out another station and everyone
replies. What the heck.

Now, this makes it hard for those without pan adapters(like me). One choice is to sit on a freq, call and hope
the op scans and picks you up , ie if the pile does not advance and clobber you at that time.

Just need the logs posted online and can push back and take it easy for another week until the ZL9 comes online
and the zoo starts all over again :)

Krish

Krish..... the scope on my rig is useless in that mess. With the behavior you describe above, when no one ever stops calling, it is probably just best to pick a spot and sit and call........ and hope for a little luck.

GL/73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W5RDW on November 14, 2012, 08:53:26 AM
It would be nice if another log update would appear. I realize their problems and hope an upload happens soon. I am tired of calling!

I would like to see another 80 meter opening like we had earlier here in my area when I could hear them strong on my 40 meter antennas! I lashed up an 80 meter dipole in hopes of hearing them the next day. It's still up there waiting!  :)


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W1ITT on November 14, 2012, 09:07:53 AM
I was 100% impressed with the PT0S 160m operator last night.  QRM was thick, but he was persistent, getting the TT, then calling me W1STT...after a couple minutes of my repeating W1ITT we made it.  All that over a single dit! A lesser op would have given up and gone on to another call.  I understand it's noisy and half the free world was calling, so they had a tough job to persevere.  The pileup antics have been deplorable, but PT0S soldiers on....  Thanks, guys!
Norm W1ITT


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 14, 2012, 09:14:13 AM
It would be nice if another log update would appear. I realize their problems and hope an upload happens soon. I am tired of calling!

I would like to see another 80 meter opening like we had earlier here in my area when I could hear them strong on my 40 meter antennas! I lashed up an 80 meter dipole in hopes of hearing them the next day. It's still up there waiting!  :)

Also waiting here for an 80m ssb Q and a confirmation of the 80m cw and praying that the call is not bursted.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB2FCV on November 14, 2012, 09:19:02 AM
No luck yet here. Worked at it several hours last night on 40 ssb despite the frequency fighting (that was a lesson in frustration with the lids on the dx tx frequency). Been at it a few hours today with no luck yet either. They've been very strong here on just about every band so far but no luck getting through. I actually took a walk outside earlier just to check if my antenna is still up!

I'll be happy with just one QSO at this point.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N5MOA on November 14, 2012, 10:03:57 AM
Gene, try 40m around 08:00 or so. The pileups aren't near as bad/big/full of idiots.

Paul/Peter, my 160m antenna is a dipole at 35 feet. It kinda sorta "works", I have 35  confirmed on 160, but that is certainly due to good setups on the other side of the qso.

 Until I get something better going, I don't expect much on 160. Which is what I usually get, not much.   

I have heard them well enough to call, one evening/morning, but I'm not placing any bets on them hearing me.

12m ssb and 40m cw/ssb so far, but I'm off Friday, so a late night Thursday is lined up. Hoping they show up on 80m.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 14, 2012, 10:15:32 AM

Not true. I have found the op goes QRX not infrequently (overactive bladder? ;D)

I noticed the exact same thing. Many short breaks. Maybe Flomax hasn't reached Brazil yet, or they ran out already.  ;)

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W1VT on November 14, 2012, 10:17:59 AM
Band conditions aren't too good right now, with a K index of 4, which means that now may be the best time for USA stations to work them--our paths aren't as impacted as much as over the pole paths.  


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB2FCV on November 14, 2012, 10:39:18 AM
YESSS!!!!!! Got em' on 17m cw.... whew!


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K3STX on November 14, 2012, 10:53:05 AM
Now, this makes it hard for those without pan adapters(like me).

You surely don't need a panadapter or dual watch/dual VFO to make this work! I have never had such luxuries. Just listen to when he gives out a COMPLETE call, then listen for the guy coming back with the "tu 5NN" or whatever by swirling the XIT and listen to where your XIT is. That is all I have ever done. I can pretty easily cover 3 kc doing it that way. If the split it too big or he is jumping around alot (or if I cannot hear the callers like on the high bands) it is harder. But on 80/160 with a 5 kc split: I think I heard EVERY guy he worked last night while I was in there.

MOA. I agree, with a dipole at 35 feet I think I would not jump in the fray. I think you are right, not a chance of ZERO, but pretty slim! I suspect lots of KW+ guys are not getting through.

paul


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K0RS on November 14, 2012, 11:38:04 AM
I think I may have gotten them on 160, I caught my suffix or what I thought was my suffix but QSB took over. I've got it in the log and will keep all appendages firmly crossed until confirmed in the online log.

Exactly the same thing happened to me on 160m.  I clearly got the "...RS," but in my case it was thanks to the band cops, "up,up,uppers," tuner uppers and lids in general that caused me to miss my prefix.  "RS" isn't exactly a rare suffix with DXers, with AA0RS, N2RS, K9RS (who I'm often mistaken for) all active.

I've got two solid QSOs, on 80 and 17, and two iffy ones on 160 and 12, all CW.  The 12m SSB pileup this morning was a real moron's melee, with a bunch of pig farmers holding court on PT0S's transmit frequency.  Every time I get involved in an SSB pileup, I feel like I need a shower afterward...yecch.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB2FCV on November 14, 2012, 11:39:29 AM
I've never used a panadapter, I've always gone to the other vfo to listen for the 5nn tu if trying to find where the dx is moving their vfo. With so many who don't listen and just keep sending and sending and sending and sending even when the dx is transmitting it would probably be darn near impossible to "see" the 5nn tu on the adapter. I could be entirely wrong as I've only really played around with panadaptors at other QTH's.

As far as the dipole at 35 feet.. well, you won't know unless you try! PT0S is pretty strong here on all the bands I've listened so far, you should be able to work them. My center fed zep dipole and "mighty" 100w just got through a little while ago on 17m. It was by no means easy.. chased em around on 40 ssb last night, 10m cw, 12m cw, 15m cw and finally was able to work them on 17m today for my first QSO with them. Now just to wait for the log upload and cross the fingers!! I think I'll stay up tonight and try to get them on 80 or 40 or 30 cw depending on where they're at. Good luck!! It's definitely a challenge..


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 14, 2012, 11:54:25 AM
I've never used a panadapter, I've always gone to the other vfo to listen for the 5nn tu if trying to find where the dx is moving their vfo. With so many who don't listen and just keep sending and sending and sending and sending even when the dx is transmitting it would probably be darn near impossible to "see" the 5nn tu on the adapter. I could be entirely wrong as I've only really played around with panadaptors at other QTH's.


It is damn near impossible to hear the station he is working with a panadapter. I tried to work him for nearly two hours this morning on 17 CW and when he picks out a call most of the spikes remain on the panadapter.  Many just keep sending their call OVER and OVER.  Also, the pileup is extremely wide and it's really impossible to catch somebody sending 5NN TU. 

The Panadapter was useless this morning.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W1VT on November 14, 2012, 12:12:16 PM
http://dx-world.net/2012/pt0s-st-peter-and-st-paul-rocks/

This web page has a very informative post--delayed online log and tips for low bands dated 14 November.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 14, 2012, 12:17:53 PM
I'm really hoping their online log gets updated soonishly. I bagged them on 10m CW easily this morning, and if all my contacts were legit (and if I'm in the log on 160) then I'm done with St. P&P everywhere and every mode.

I have two 15 meter contacts.  One CW, and one Phone when I clearly heard my call but once I see I am in their log I am onto other things.  I agree with Gene, AF3Y, one or two hours is about my limit for sending my call ad nauseum.

When I've looked at the leader boards on ClubLog for past DXpeditions and have seen many stations with six, seven, or more bands, and all modes, it makes me wonder where they get the patience.  I find no enjoyment in participating in a pileup.  I'd rather have a relaxed QSO, or watch a classic movie, even a movie I have seen many times previously like most of the Hitchcock films.

73,

Chris/NU1O



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 14, 2012, 12:19:53 PM
YESSS!!!!!! Got em' on 17m cw.... whew!

Me TOO!  Finally.......... It's about damned time.   I probably have a total of 4 or 5 hours invested
to get these jacklegs! In my log at 2005z on 17cw. ;D
Having a glass of my favorite Yellow Tail Shiraz at 3 in the afternoon.  That is unusual too!
73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N4OGW on November 14, 2012, 12:21:58 PM

It is damn near impossible to hear the station he is working with a panadapter. I tried to work him for nearly two hours this morning on 17 CW and when he picks out a call most of the spikes remain on the panadapter.  Many just keep sending their call OVER and OVER.  Also, the pileup is extremely wide and it's really impossible to catch somebody sending 5NN TU. 

The Panadapter was useless this morning.


This is why I recommend a panadapter with a display like CW Skimmer http://www.dxatlas.com/cwskimmer/ . I use http://code.google.com/p/so2sdr/. Instead of just seeing spikes you actually see the morse code letters. Even without skimmer decoding (which I don't use) it is easy to pick out someone sending '5nn' from a bunch of other stations.

Tor
N4OGW


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K5JZ on November 14, 2012, 12:25:38 PM
Congrats to Paul, K3STX, K5JZ and others who have made it on Top Band!

I hope to be QRV on 160m by tomorrow night.  This morning after breakfast, I'm planning on re-assembling my MA160V 160m vertical in the back yard so I can be ready when a couple of my friends from the Mississippi Valley DX & Contest Club come over tomorrow morning to help me put it up in place of the MA8040V.  Our roving antenna committee is one of the best features of our club, and I'm proud to be a part of it.

73,
Chuck  NI0C

Thank you Chuck... my fingers and toes are crossed for you!

73,
George K5JZ


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KA1J on November 14, 2012, 12:31:19 PM
What confounds me beyond belief is why would someone call while he is trying to pick out a specific call.

As to the "Cops" I think they have no interest in DX and their sole goal is to be a part of a gang of disrupters who feed off of each others "up" "LID" or worse. When one does it, the mob joins in and then does it far too long. This is what is fun to them. When a DXpedition happens for them it's "Game on" & none of them will ever identify who they are, they just hear each other and the club has it's next meeting...

And... their kind were the ones sitting in the back row in high school...

I've spent 3-4 hours on 17M trying for PT0S and the QRMers have easily taken up half of the dominant signal on the DX frequency.

Sigh...


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 14, 2012, 12:32:44 PM
I'd rather have a relaxed QSO, or watch a classic movie, even a movie I have seen many times previously like most of the Hitchcock films.
73,
Chris/NU1O

OR......... Key Largo or Casabanca with Bogart.

BTW, speaking of Hitchcock, I was stationed in Petaluma, California (Two Rock Ranch Station, a small Army Security Agency Installation) in the early 60's. Had a Triumph 650 Bonneville and used to ride up in the redwoods to Bodega Bay and drink beer and eat a shrimp or three out on their pier. Bodega Bay is sorta famous for Hitchcock's THE BIRDS, which was filmed there.  Glad they were mostly gone when I was there. BEAUTIFUL country!

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NI0C on November 14, 2012, 12:39:22 PM
New logs have just been posted-- thru 1057 UTC, 14 November.
73,
Chuck  NI0C


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 14, 2012, 12:41:03 PM
New logs have just been posted-- thru 1057 UTC, 14 November.
73,
Chuck  NI0C

Looks like my two QSOs are there. :)


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KA1J on November 14, 2012, 12:46:05 PM
New logs have just been posted-- thru 1057 UTC, 14 November.
73,
Chuck  NI0C

Thanks!

There is a God, I have Q's on 160 & 80. Now the pressure is off.

I earlier donated to the DXPedition via the PayPal link on their support page http://pt0s.com/support.html (http://pt0s.com/support.html)  & will throw in some extra with the OQRS when the operation is over, these guys definitely deserve support!

Time for some Laphroaig!


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: VE3YF on November 14, 2012, 12:52:08 PM
I'm really hoping their online log gets updated soonishly. I bagged them on 10m CW easily this morning, and if all my contacts were legit (and if I'm in the log on 160) then I'm done with St. P&P everywhere and every mode.

I have two 15 meter contacts.  One CW, and one Phone when I clearly heard my call but once I see I am in their log I am onto other things.  I agree with Gene, AF3Y, one or two hours is about my limit for sending my call ad nauseum.

When I've looked at the leader boards on ClubLog for past DXpeditions and have seen many stations with six, seven, or more bands, and all modes, it makes me wonder where they get the patience.  I find no enjoyment in participating in a pileup.  I'd rather have a relaxed QSO, or watch a classic movie, even a movie I have seen many times previously like most of the Hitchcock films.

73,

Chris/NU1O



Chris:

I have my 2 x 15m Contacts missing. I talked to a fw others today and their 15m contacts are not posted. Perhaps we have all worked the same station/laptop and just missed getting his logs. I am sure it will work out in the end.

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 14, 2012, 12:52:37 PM
How can that be??????  The log is showing that I am in the log for a 17m CW contact, obviously prior to the log close of 1057Z today.  My QSO was at 2004z today........

OK, OK, WHICH one of you guys felt sorry for me and used my Callsign? FESS UP!

Beats me, but I cannot claim any QSO before the one this afternoon, as I have no time, etc.

STRANGE.......... Very Strange.....

OH CRAP........!  When it updates again, I will not know if my REAL 17m QSO is in the log or not.  OH NO...... I have to try to work them AGAIN......... OH NO.... :o

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 14, 2012, 01:00:47 PM


Chris:

I have my 2 x 15m Contacts missing. I talked to a fw others today and their 15m contacts are not posted. Perhaps we have all worked the same station/laptop and just missed getting his logs. I am sure it will work out in the end.

73 De Mike
VE3YF

BOTH of my 15 meter QSOs are missing.  I heard him say my call as if he were in the room with me.  
I hope you are right, Mike.  Is there a pilot to write to or do we just wait or (God forbid) work them again?  

Addendum:

Mike, at least you have them worked on other bands.  I have had similar problems with other rare DXpeditions and in the end my QSOs showed up but this is the last thing I wanted to experience. It's very disappointing!


73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB3LIX on November 14, 2012, 01:20:26 PM
Of course...

They are/were quite strong here on 17m CW, when
LO and BEHOLD...time to QSY to 160 for JA.
I have been calling them for HOURS.

Why, of course lets go to 160 !
There is NO ONE on 17 trying to get thru
and apparently, they only have ONE STATION !


#$%^&*()!@#$%&^&*(

THANX !


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AJ4RW on November 14, 2012, 01:31:10 PM
Earlier this am they were jumping around between 12 and 15.  One thing I noticed was that there weren't many EU stations working them.  On the cluster one Russian station reported they weren't hearing them at all.  I guess propagation was favorable to NA and not to EU. :o


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N5MOA on November 14, 2012, 01:41:39 PM


Chris:

I have my 2 x 15m Contacts missing. I talked to a fw others today and their 15m contacts are not posted. Perhaps we have all worked the same station/laptop and just missed getting his logs. I am sure it will work out in the end.

73 De Mike
VE3YF

BOTH of my 15 meter QSOs are missing.  I heard him say my call as if he were in the room with me.  
I hope you are right, Mike.  Is there a pilot to write to or do we just wait or (God forbid) work them again?  

Addendum:

Mike, at least you have them worked on other bands.  I have had similar problems with other rare DXpeditions and in the end my QSOs showed up but this is the last thing I wanted to experience. It's very disappointing!


73,

Chris/NU1O


Both of you are in the log on 15m. Musta added another update after you looked.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NI0C on November 14, 2012, 02:07:33 PM
KB3LIX wrote:
Quote
They are/were quite strong here on 17m CW, when
LO and BEHOLD...time to QSY to 160 for JA.
I have been calling them for HOURS.

Why, of course lets go to 160 !
There is NO ONE on 17 trying to get thru
and apparently, they only have ONE STATION !



The primary focus of this expedition is the low bands, especially 160m.  If you read the updates on their website, you will learn that the JA's have not yet been successful in getting through on Top Band.  Maybe now is their chance, with the A and K indices dropping, the sun setting at PT0 and rising in JA.  I think they have three stations.  They are supposed to be there for about another week, so your chances for a QSO are still excellent.

GL & 73,
Chuck  NI0C   


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: VE3YF on November 14, 2012, 02:17:08 PM


Chris:

I have my 2 x 15m Contacts missing. I talked to a fw others today and their 15m contacts are not posted. Perhaps we have all worked the same station/laptop and just missed getting his logs. I am sure it will work out in the end.

73 De Mike
VE3YF

Tom:

Thanks for the update. I wasn't really worried, things usually work themselves out. Now if I could get them on RTTY, that would make my day. I have only seen them sporatically on RTTY. Oh well lots of time left...Tnx Agn...

73 De Mike
VE3YF

BOTH of my 15 meter QSOs are missing.  I heard him say my call as if he were in the room with me.  
I hope you are right, Mike.  Is there a pilot to write to or do we just wait or (God forbid) work them again?  

Addendum:

Mike, at least you have them worked on other bands.  I have had similar problems with other rare DXpeditions and in the end my QSOs showed up but this is the last thing I wanted to experience. It's very disappointing!


73,

Chris/NU1O


Both of you are in the log on 15m. Musta added another update after you looked.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: VE3YF on November 14, 2012, 02:20:44 PM


Chris:

I have my 2 x 15m Contacts missing. I talked to a fw others today and their 15m contacts are not posted. Perhaps we have all worked the same station/laptop and just missed getting his logs. I am sure it will work out in the end.

73 De Mike
VE3YF

BOTH of my 15 meter QSOs are missing.  I heard him say my call as if he were in the room with me.  
I hope you are right, Mike.  Is there a pilot to write to or do we just wait or (God forbid) work them again?  

Addendum:

Mike, at least you have them worked on other bands.  I have had similar problems with other rare DXpeditions and in the end my QSOs showed up but this is the last thing I wanted to experience. It's very disappointing!


73,

Chris/NU1O


Both of you are in the log on 15m. Musta added another update after you looked.

Tom:

Thanks for the update. I wasn't really worried, things usually work themselves out. Now if I could get them on RTTY, that would make my day. I have only seen them sporatically on RTTY. Oh well lots of time left...Tnx Agn...

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: WA8UEG on November 14, 2012, 02:29:17 PM
So far none of my contacts have shown up (20, 15 & 10 CW)I workrd them again today on 12 CW & SSB, 10 CW and 17 CW. I'll wait and see if any of these get in their log but the way this expedtion has gone so far I won't be surprised if none are there. I have a feeling that alot of hams that worked them are not going to make it in their log and thats a shame.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W2IRT on November 14, 2012, 02:35:24 PM
As I feared, my 160 isn't there. 3 nights and a fortune in electric bills down the drain, plus they have me credited for 12m CW, which I did NOT make.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 14, 2012, 02:41:37 PM


Chris:

I have my 2 x 15m Contacts missing. I talked to a fw others today and their 15m contacts are not posted. Perhaps we have all worked the same station/laptop and just missed getting his logs. I am sure it will work out in the end.

73 De Mike
VE3YF

BOTH of my 15 meter QSOs are missing.  I heard him say my call as if he were in the room with me.  
I hope you are right, Mike.  Is there a pilot to write to or do we just wait or (God forbid) work them again?  

Addendum:

Mike, at least you have them worked on other bands.  I have had similar problems with other rare DXpeditions and in the end my QSOs showed up but this is the last thing I wanted to experience. It's very disappointing!


73,

Chris/NU1O


Both of you are in the log on 15m. Musta added another update after you looked.

Tom,

Thanks a bunch for post.  That's a big relief.  Now I can forget about PT0S unless I feel like adding some bands.

I think I will celebrate with an Italian strawberry liquer somebody gave me as a gift and maybe watch a James Bond movie I have seen 50 times.  Tis a boring life I lead.

73,

Chris/NU1O



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: HA5X on November 14, 2012, 02:52:48 PM

BOTH of my 15 meter QSOs are missing.  I heard him say my call as if he were in the room with me.  
I hope you are right, Mike.  Is there a pilot to write to or do we just wait or (God forbid) work them again?  

Addendum:

Mike, at least you have them worked on other bands.  I have had similar problems with other rare DXpeditions and in the end my QSOs showed up but this is the last thing I wanted to experience. It's very disappointing!


73,

Chris/NU1O


Hi Chris,

Yes, there is a pilot you can write to. You have just done that :)

Please re-check if your 15m contacts are now in log.

You have to understand that the internet access on the rocks is very limited and unreliable. The high speed internet they planned to use is currently unavailable, and they have to resort to an Iridium satellite phone, which gives them a full 2.4 kbit (yes, kilo!). Also, this 2.4 kbps is very unreliable. We get small bits of the logs in the ADIF format, then we consolidate them here in Europe before uploading to the logsearch and LoTW.  On their shoestring internet the transfer often stalls in the middle of a 100 kilobyte file, therefore it is sent again... so some of the bits are here several times, while some bits hardly ever get through. Today we finally got nearly 10k QSOs, so we decided not to hinder things any longer and upload what we had, even if it was not complete. A few hours later a relatively small portion that was still missing finally came through and we added that immediately.

As for LoTW, all the QSOs that we have in the logsearch have also been uploaded to LoTW. We have been informed by ARRL earlier today that currently there is a three day backlog on their system, meaning your LoTW credits might not appear immediately.

We are sorry for all the above inconvenience, most of these difficulties are beyond our control. I suggest you follow updates on the PT0S.com website and/or the PT0S news mailing list where we try to keep you informed.  

We truly appreciate all feedback, information or questions, which we try to reply as quickly as possible.

73 / GL  and have (more) fun chasing PT0S.

Chris, WW1WWW (webmaster/pilot of PT0S)    also HA5X / HA5XA / M0XXA


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 14, 2012, 03:12:24 PM
Earlier this am they were jumping around between 12 and 15.  One thing I noticed was that there weren't many EU stations working them.  On the cluster one Russian station reported they weren't hearing them at all.  I guess propagation was favorable to NA and not to EU. :o

From what I've read elsewhere it seems like the Russians are getting shortchanged on this one.  I do not like all the band hopping either and I wish they'd spend more time on 10 and 20 meters but they announced from the start that 160 and 80 would be their top priorities with special emphasis on 160 for Japan.  We may not like the rules but they get to make them up and the team size was imposed on them by the Brazilian officials.  I'm just happy to have had the chance to work an ATNO and I hope their stay and return trip is safe. They are on a dangerous island with very little space.  This is no "Holiday" expedition by a long shot.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 14, 2012, 03:21:52 PM

Hi Chris,

Yes, there is a pilot you can write to. You have just done that :)

Please re-check if your 15m contacts are now in log.
Chris, WW1WWW (webmaster/pilot of PT0S)    also HA5X / HA5XA / M0XXA

Hi Chris,

Thanks for replying.  My QSOs did show up in the online log. I am not concerned with my LoTW credits showing up in days.  Usually we wait from six months to a year for an expedition of this kind to upload to LoTW.

I am following their updates on the PT0S site and I know they are working under extremely difficult and dangerous circumstances. I would not want to trade places with any of the OPs on SPSP!

Best 73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W5RDW on November 14, 2012, 03:31:09 PM
They are so strong on 40M CW now. When I worked them 3 days ago in the middle of the night (very early morning  >:( ), they were a few s-units above the noise level. Now it is like they are a few hundred miles away  :), not out in the ocean!


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W1VT on November 14, 2012, 03:32:31 PM
I also noticed the 15M QSOs were missing--I checked a few spots around my QSO and they were missing as well. But, iit is not unusual for logs to be missing Qs when first put up--I decided to wait.  Sure enough, my QSO is in the log now.  ;D


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: 4O4A on November 14, 2012, 03:34:32 PM
Quote
We truly appreciate all feedback, information or questions, which we try to reply as quickly as possible.

Chris, thanks for your efforts and thanks to whole team down there. I hope they will stay safe and have a safe trip back home.

With all those terrorists on their TX frequency it would be good if team can pay attention on how pile up is responding: if things are not going smoothly that usually means that somebody is jamming TX frequency. Tell the guys simply to move 300-500 kHz up or down. T30PY team did great job with that, making any intentional QRMing meaningless.

Rather unusual approach with frequent change of calling areas (Asia, Pac, JA, etc...) but, hey, at least nobody can say that they didn't give a chance to everybody and my compliments for that.

Yes, it seems that conditions are in favor of NA, at least here in South East Europe.
However, it is possible to work them even from stamp size backyard and appropriate antennas.
The best signal is on 15M, very good on 40M, surprisingly quiet on 20M.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: WS3N on November 14, 2012, 03:37:48 PM
Finally got 'em. I have only been listening for a few minutes at a time, only long enough to know that I have no interest in jumping into the mess. But when they were spotted on 17m phone a short time ago they were still working simplex. Then he said he was listening up and quickly there were callers up 5 and 10. Given the spreads they've been using, I went up 15 while it was still quiet. He came back to me on my second or third call. I'm done with this one as soon as I (hopefully) see myself in the log. Good luck to all.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 14, 2012, 03:49:05 PM
My 80m cw Q is missing. Must have been busted. Will try again
since the opportunity to work em exists versus engaging the pilot right now.
A gamble on the outcome either way.

Need a few more slots + RTTY and will shut down and pray
for the team's safety and for the rest that are still chasing em.

Oh, someone reminded of chiraz. I had to get one of those after that
40m SSB mess to cool down. ;D

73s
krish


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KE8G on November 14, 2012, 03:55:55 PM
Well, the DXing gods were on my side.  I was just able to snag them on 40 CW for an ATNO.  I was VERY lucky, as I just called a couple of times before getting a response.  Definitely, no skill this time, pure unadulterated blind luck.... but I'll take it!

73 de Jim - KE8G


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AJ8MH on November 14, 2012, 04:02:10 PM
They're back...  PT0S was on 40 CW tonight and again was the focus of malicious interference.  Another sad example of radio today.  It's still a great hobby, but the ranks are quickly filling with people who have simply lost it.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W2IRT on November 14, 2012, 04:20:09 PM
They were easy on 40 CW and 17 SSB this evening. 160s another story. They just showed up now and are dramatically weaker than the last 3 nights. More in the noise here than above it unfortunately.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N1UK on November 14, 2012, 04:24:35 PM
I was able to work them through all that 40m cw jamming tonight.  They are doing a great job and very loud on 17m ssb right now.


I made it into the 160m log, so all that messing around with the multiband half wave sloper paid off.

73 Mark N1UK


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K3VAT on November 14, 2012, 04:50:32 PM
My 80m cw Q is missing. Must have been busted. ... 73s
krish

Sometimes the log is slow in finding its way to the IT guys who upload the log to the master DB.  Don't fret, wait at least another day.  GL, 73, Rich, K3VAT


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: WA0CRI on November 14, 2012, 04:51:41 PM
The PT0S operator on 17M CW this afternoon at about 2000 UTC was showing a definite tendency.  When a DX spot was posted up 2.5 KHz I saw a stampede on my spectrum scope to that frequency - creating "bare spots" in the spectrum up frequency.  I moved my transmit frequency up to the first "bare spot", between 5 - 6 KHz and made contact within 30 seconds.  It only makes sense that with such large pileups their operators are trying to avoid the worst of the clutter and locate more discernable calls.  This technique has netted me 5 contacts in 30 minutes of calling.  


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W6GX on November 14, 2012, 06:03:59 PM
Both of my contacts are in the log. Whew!  My new-to-me legal limit amp. helped ;D. I will try again when pile ups are smaller.  GL to all.

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K0RS on November 14, 2012, 07:10:44 PM
 When a DX spot was posted up 2.5 KHz I saw a stampede on my spectrum scope to that frequency - creating "bare spots" in the spectrum up frequency.  I moved my transmit frequency up to the first "bare spot", between 5 - 6 KHz and made contact within 30 seconds.  It only makes sense that with such large pileups their operators are trying to avoid the worst of the clutter and locate more discernable calls.

Apparently most don't realize that by the time spotted QSXs make thru the cluster system they are ancient history and the the DX has long since moved on.  Good technique to listen and call elsewhere when a spot frequency shows up on the internet.

Worked them on 17m CW this afternoon.  It became much easier when Tomi, HA7RY took over the controls.  He had a definite pattern that was easily spotted, moving up a little after each QSO.  I just dropped my call in a few hundred Hertz above his last QSO and it only took about five calls once I spotted his QSX.

Having a higher A and K index worked to NA's advantage today as the band was poorer to EU.

Hooray, my 160, 80 and 12m QSOs all showed up in the log!


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W5RDW on November 14, 2012, 09:06:15 PM
Just got him on 80 M CW. I missed his initial coming up, so had to battle the hoard  :)! Took more calls than I wanted, but decided to sit down under everyone at a split of +2 KHz and he found me!


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 15, 2012, 01:44:38 AM
Looks as if the prop. helped NA for the last day or so, or the piles are just getting smaller.  I nailed em on 40 CW at 0900z this morning. (0400 local, nature does call sometimes!  ::) )

That is two bands, twice what I wanted, so if both are in the log, I am content to let others have a go at it with at least one less competing call.

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N5MOA on November 15, 2012, 01:50:46 AM
Almost no pile right now on 30m.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: WA8UEG on November 15, 2012, 04:27:00 AM
The PT0S operator on 17M CW this afternoon at about 2000 UTC was showing a definite tendency.  When a DX spot was posted up 2.5 KHz I saw a stampede on my spectrum scope to that frequency - creating "bare spots" in the spectrum up frequency.  I moved my transmit frequency up to the first "bare spot", between 5 - 6 KHz and made contact within 30 seconds.  It only makes sense that with such large pileups their operators are trying to avoid the worst of the clutter and locate more discernable calls.  This technique has netted me 5 contacts in 30 minutes of calling.  

Some information is better left in your pocket.  ;)


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 15, 2012, 07:19:30 AM
New Log Update + message from the guys on the rocks!

http://www.pt0s.com/

Sounds like they are really "earning their keep" on this one. (No where to SLEEP?????)  :o

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: WA8UEG on November 15, 2012, 07:54:02 AM
7 contacts on 5 bands and 2 modes, none are listed as of current log update.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W6GX on November 15, 2012, 08:10:40 AM
7 contacts on 5 bands and 2 modes, none are listed as of current log update.

Perhaps your contacts are still in the buffer on the Iridium satellite  ;)

I hope the logging problem will be resolved in a very short time.

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KE8G on November 15, 2012, 08:24:27 AM
When (days & times) did you work them?  Their log seems to be pretty current.

I worked them on 40 CW at around 2100UTC yesterday (11/14) and I see my QSO in the "newest" edition of the on-line log. 

73 de Jim - KE8G


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: WA8UEG on November 15, 2012, 08:51:52 AM
Yea, that's what worries me. I am about to give it up and continue my search for number 303.

20 CW 11/13 @ 14:47
10 CW 11/14 @ 16:52
12 SSB 11/14 @ 18:44
17 CW 11/14 @ 17:10
15 SSB 11/14
12 CW 11/13
10 SSB this morning.

Except for 10 SSB these are the ones that, according to their upload date & time, should be in the log. I'll see and hope that the 10 meter contact this morning makes it into the log, if not I'm off searching for number 303 elsewhere.




Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KE8G on November 15, 2012, 09:08:06 AM
Yea, that's what worries me. I am about to give it up and continue my search for number 303.

20 CW 11/13 @ 14:47
10 CW 11/14 @ 16:52
12 SSB 11/14 @ 18:44
17 CW 11/14 @ 17:10
15 SSB 11/14
12 CW 11/13
10 SSB this morning.

Except for 10 SSB these are the ones that, according to their upload date & time, should be in the log. I'll see and hope that the 10 meter contact this morning makes it into the log, if not I'm off searching for number 303 elsewhere.





Ouches!!!!  I would definitely keep trying them on all the bands until you see your QSO listed and not worry about dupes.

Good Luck,
73 de Jim - KE8G


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: VE3YF on November 15, 2012, 09:15:27 AM
Yea, that's what worries me. I am about to give it up and continue my search for number 303.

20 CW 11/13 @ 14:47
10 CW 11/14 @ 16:52
12 SSB 11/14 @ 18:44
17 CW 11/14 @ 17:10
15 SSB 11/14
12 CW 11/13
10 SSB this morning.

Except for 10 SSB these are the ones that, according to their upload date & time, should be in the log. I'll see and hope that the 10 meter contact this morning makes it into the log, if not I'm off searching for number 303 elsewhere.




Steve:

Their website addresses possible problems. They do not have the time or bandwidth to fix the logs and also mention to work them again and they will not classify it as a dupe. Strange though all your QSO's are not in the log, perhaps they are not getting your call correct. Next time you work them, make note of who else works them at the same time ie, right behind you and then check next day if the other person is in the log.

Best advice, keep plugging away...

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 15, 2012, 09:17:53 AM
Yea, that's what worries me. I am about to give it up and continue my search for number 303.

20 CW 11/13 @ 14:47
10 CW 11/14 @ 16:52
12 SSB 11/14 @ 18:44
17 CW 11/14 @ 17:10
15 SSB 11/14
12 CW 11/13
10 SSB this morning.

Except for 10 SSB these are the ones that, according to their upload date & time, should be in the log. I'll see and hope that the 10 meter contact this morning makes it into the log, if not I'm off searching for number 303 elsewhere.




I would strongly advise against doing that. There may not be another trip to SPSP for a long time.  If your goal is to work them all you will need SPSP.

I also think your problem will be sorted about but when it happened to me it was not pleasant.  I understand your frustration.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W5RDW on November 15, 2012, 09:20:35 AM
Just got him on 80 M CW. I missed his initial coming up, so had to battle the hoard  :)!..........

My 80M CW contact last night at  04:50 UTC is not in today's log, so I am hoping it is somewhere floating around. I have three others in the log, so I am happy that a new one gets me closer to my goal.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 15, 2012, 09:26:21 AM
I won't count on a log fixup and will work em when there is still a chance.

This Am, there was a good chance to work 30m, about 5:00am EST or so.
PT0S called and no takers :), so he QSYed.

But to the contrary, on 20m ssb, there were a lot of NA, but he QSYed
to 15m ssb. Ouch!!

The 15m RTTY was tough with them sitting mostly between 2 to 5 kcs
and very seldom moving up. 3 hours and no luck here. But it does not
top my 5+ hours for 160 so far.

-Krish


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: WA8UEG on November 15, 2012, 10:41:56 AM
Well, hope I have insurance now. I worked them again on 10 SSB at 18:35 and confirmed he had my call correct. I'll try CW again then check the log in the morning. All my contacts will probably appear :)


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W1VT on November 15, 2012, 11:48:56 AM
The time refers to "latest QSO in the log"  

To me, this means there may well be earlier QSOs that aren't in the log yet due to IT/upload issues.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB2FCV on November 15, 2012, 11:52:23 AM
Two of my three QSO's made it in, including my questionable contact. My 80m did not though, which I'm sure he had my call correct. Perhaps it's still floating around waiting to be transmitted in the Iridium phone system..

17 cw @ 18:33 11/14 good
80 cw @ 08:05 11/15 not there
40 cw @ 09:08 11/15 good

They are doing a great job for the conditions they are working in, I'm just glad I'm in there! I guess I'll just try to work em' again on 80m. Anything extra now is just gravy as far as QSO's go.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N4OGW on November 15, 2012, 12:15:16 PM
Yea, that's what worries me. I am about to give it up and continue my search for number 303.

20 CW 11/13 @ 14:47
10 CW 11/14 @ 16:52
12 SSB 11/14 @ 18:44
17 CW 11/14 @ 17:10
15 SSB 11/14
12 CW 11/13
10 SSB this morning.

Except for 10 SSB these are the ones that, according to their upload date & time, should be in the log. I'll see and hope that the 10 meter contact this morning makes it into the log, if not I'm off searching for number 303 elsewhere.


They busted your call at least once: WA8FG is in their log on 20CW.

Tor
N4OGW


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 15, 2012, 12:58:00 PM
Both of my QSOs are confirmed in their log, 40 cw and 17 cw.

PLUS a 17 cw QSO from the 11th that I did not make.  Must be a busted call.

If you have not read the latest update from George Wallner, AA7JV, you need to
go to their site and read it. They are NOT having a vacation getaway down there.
"Catching Hell" daily and nightly would be more like it....  For instance:

"Because of the lack of room, we do not have space to sleep during the day. Because of that, and the daytime workload, we are getting very tired. (I fell asleep at the key on 160 two or three times last night. Sorry if it caused any confusion.)"

They deserve an extra $goodie$ when I do the OQRS thing. I will do the best that
 I can dig up.

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: WA8UEG on November 15, 2012, 01:15:56 PM
Yep, that's for sure, I'll be more careful on high speed CW. At the speed they were working I didn't catch it when they came back and that's my bad. .._   . and ..-. is tough to distinguish at high speeds.
GOOD CATCH!!!!!


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N5UD on November 15, 2012, 03:15:24 PM
Busted calls..... on 80M CW I had to repeat my call a few times as he got N5U? /M but kept missing the D. I guess I am glad he stayed with me and I could copy him.
No joy here on the higher bands yet. I have not heard them on the higher except for 17M, and too weak to call. Big pile up up the band.
GLTA Tony N5UD /M


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: VE3YF on November 15, 2012, 03:54:55 PM
Both of my QSOs are confirmed in their log, 40 cw and 17 cw.

PLUS a 17 cw QSO from the 11th that I did not make.  Must be a busted call.

If you have not read the latest update from George Wallner, AA7JV, you need to
go to their site and read it. They are NOT having a vacation getaway down there.
"Catching Hell" daily and nightly would be more like it....  For instance:

"Because of the lack of room, we do not have space to sleep during the day. Because of that, and the daytime workload, we are getting very tired. (I fell asleep at the key on 160 two or three times last night. Sorry if it caused any confusion.)"

They deserve an extra $goodie$ when I do the OQRS thing. I will do the best that
 I can dig up.

73, Gene AF3Y

Gene:

Went to their webpage and saw pics of their intended site. Nowhere to sleep during the day, I can't really see any place to sleep at night. If I was on the rock, I would be worried about rolling off my air mattress into the drink or even floating away. My hats off to these guys, this definately is no picnic, and they are doing an outstanding job. I will definately do the donation when I go to OQRS..

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 15, 2012, 04:23:30 PM
Their signal on 12m is almost non-existant this evening here in Fla. I suppose they might
have antenna problems, by reading their on site reports. I believe they have had to remove
an Rx antenna or two because the Brazilian Navy people had to do some work where the antennas
were attached. They also had to do some maintenance on an antenna or two, due to large waves knocking them over. I hope they have not lost an antenna (or an operator hi hi).

Looks like they were running some RTTY today as well.

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 15, 2012, 04:47:31 PM
Gene,
 They were on 15m Rtty in the morning. Was a hard one until EU was in darkness and he started to work NA and we
 were able to log em in a few calls.

 The 20m was another story. He was there for a short while and then QSY'ed quoting that something was strange
 with prop. He was booming here and many more could have logged him on 20m rtty, but he said he was QSYing
 to 15m. Not a complaint, but just reporting an observation.

 Whatever issues they have, i am hoping they are keeping an eye out on their health as well, since they are a long
 way away from home and in the heat of the dxped excitement, things can go down hill.

Krish


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N1UK on November 15, 2012, 05:14:50 PM
Yes they were very loud on 20m rtty this evening. He seemed to be having some trouble with the stability of signals or so he reported and then he qsy'ed to 15m rtty.

Maybe they are taking a well earned rest tonight.

Mark N1UK


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB3LIX on November 15, 2012, 05:19:18 PM
This one is becoming a TOUGH-NUT-to-CRACK !
Despite lots and lots of trying.

Maybe I'll get lucky tonight. I plan to stay up
all night if necessary. (can't hurt)


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 15, 2012, 06:23:36 PM
Depends on which bands they are on. This morning, there was no prop on 30m & 20m until it was 5am EST. So do catch
 some sleep :)

Krish


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 15, 2012, 07:16:55 PM
Yes they were very loud on 20m rtty this evening. He seemed to be having some trouble with the stability of signals or so he reported and then he qsy'ed to 15m rtty.

Maybe they are taking a well earned rest tonight.

Mark N1UK

PT0S had a nice strong signal on 10 meters this morning but I did notice his XMIT frequency was shifting about 500 Hertz at random, he'd correct the error, the frequency would shift again, repeat, etc.  Eventually he said he was going QRX and when they finally came back their signal was much weaker.  I still only have worked them on 15 meter SSB and CW but, OTOH, I have not spent a lot of hours chasing them.

Gene, AF3Y, with the shorter days now that we are approaching the winter equinox 20 meters closes down much earlier than the summer months. I did manage to work the special event station, JU850DA, last night at 00:46 UTC but were it summer with these solar numbers, the path over the pole would be open until 0300- 0400 UTC and then the path to the Pacific would be open until maybe 0700 and then it reopens at sunrise. BTW, your sunrise is only 6 minutes later than mine but your sun sets 1 whole hour later due to your Florida QTH.  These conditions really illustrate the need for good low band antennas since my Tribander is not usable for about 10 hours a day and then will get shorter. This is the reason I'd like to add a 2 element beam for 30 and 40, and get an  80 meter loop up as high as possible.

I meant to comment on your remarks about Bodega Bay and Hitchcock filming "The Birds" there.  The scenery was very nice as almost all Hitchcock films are noted for the wonderful scenery and it was a scary movie for a 12 year old, which was how old I was when I watched it on some late night movie channel on a weekend night.  It is not my favorite Hitchcock film, I think that would be "The Third Man" or "North by North West" but Tippi Hedren was a real doll.  One of the "icy blondes" Hitch loved to use in his movies.  I have seen web ads for a Hitchcock movie. I think it deals with his direction of the film "Psycho". Imagine what kind of films he would've made had he not had to deal with Hollywood Production Code? Other than channels for baseball, news, and stocks, I easily spend most of my TV time watching "Turner Classic Movies."  They really don't make films the way they used to. Most of what they make today is garbage!  I am beginning to think I am reincarnated or simply born about 3 decades too late!  ;)

73,

Chris/NU1O



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N5MOA on November 15, 2012, 10:12:40 PM
That takes care of 80m cw, I'm hittin' the sack.  It's nice to be able to catch them when they first come on for a change.



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB3LIX on November 16, 2012, 12:45:11 AM
F I N A L L Y !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

40 CW

Now to see IF it makes the on-line log !


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: VE3YF on November 16, 2012, 02:21:27 AM
Hi:

Just got them on 30cw first call, very weak today. Now I just need that elusive RTTY Contact. I wont be greedy, I will just take one, but seeing that they work RTTY mostly when I am work, I think a couple sick days are in my forecast...

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 16, 2012, 06:37:31 AM
Just got them on 15. Looks like Sandy walked the beam a bit. They aren't peaking exactly where the rotor readout says they should be.

I haven't tried 160 much but I'll probably try it later or tomorrow night.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 16, 2012, 06:45:21 AM
And I just got them on 10.  ;D

Also heard Chris NU1O afterwards...


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W1VT on November 16, 2012, 07:09:28 AM
F I N A L L Y !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

40 CW

Now to see IF it makes the on-line log !

Congratulations--they didn't seem too busy this early in the morning.  ;)


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 16, 2012, 07:44:54 AM
And I just got them on 10.  ;D

Also heard Chris NU1O afterwards...


Ryan, I'm glad you bagged him on 10 and 15.  Good show!  

When I put the rig on at about 9:30 AM and saw PT0S was on 10 meters with a good signal I was determined to work him.  The problem was I had no idea where he was listening and the stations I'm picking up with the beam pointed to 125 degrees are very weak.  European signals are greatly attenuated as they are off the side of the beam.  I started calling on 28.505 but no luck, and up 10 is just too simple. Eventually I heard a weak OK station finish the contact with PT0S on 28.530! I threw in my call and he came back to me next. So, it turned out to be easy but only because I heard a station he had just worked and he stuck around to work another station.

This morning I got up around 3 AM and they were on 40 meters with a strong signal calling for Asia/Pac only. After listening for about 1/2 an hour I heard him go back to a K station so I must have missed his general call for stations.  Two calls later and I am (hopefully) in the log. I was dozing off in my comfortable chair which I have been known to do so getting your call sent to you at 35 wpm while your half asleep is a bit of a challenge. That time the split was just up 2 kHz.  

If anybody needs still PT0S I think 40 meters in the middle of the night maybe your best chance. I only have an inverted V on 40 with the apex at 55 feet although I was running close to legal limit power. I worked them at 0844 UTC so many of the Europeans were gone and the competition from the US is about as light as you are going to find it.  Give it a try.

That's 3 bands now (2 modes) so I'm very happy.

I will supplement my original donation made months ago, but not because I worked them on more bands. The living conditions they are enduring are very unpleasant and tolerated so we may put SPSP in our logbooks.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K7KB on November 16, 2012, 08:15:49 AM
ARGH!!! My 80M CW QSO on the 15th is not in the log.  :'( And I know I heard it repeated back perfectly. Seems like they might be dropping a lot of Q's for some reason or one of the computer logs didn't get uploaded before the last update at 0928. But this taught me I need to start recording my QSO's just in case this happens again. At least I would have some recorded proof.

John K7KB


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 16, 2012, 09:09:48 AM
15 was relatively easy. The split wasn't that huge but it took some listening.

I didn't use the SDR or waterfall, but I simply tuned around quickly looking around for 5NN TU and I managed to zero in on a spot. He said 3 up but was listening 3 up and more. Took me 10-15 minutes or so.

10m was a bit of a challenge, but based on cluster spots I see that he was working a few positions. 28.520 and 28.530 seemed most popular so I parked on 28.520 and started calling. Bagged him after a few calls.

Probably won't do 160 tonight as I have the DX club meeting, but maybe when I get home I'll try.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W2IRT on November 16, 2012, 09:47:34 AM
Probably won't do 160 tonight as I have the DX club meeting, but maybe when I get home I'll try.

You may have better luck at that hour than me. Down my way they get progressively weaker the later the evening goes. 0100z is about the dividing point for them at my QTH. Before that my K9AY picks them up easily. Afterward they're considerably weaker and often fade right out. Do you have a Beverage that favours the southeast?


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AB8MA on November 16, 2012, 10:22:53 AM
I know I do not have any contact with PT0S. Would like just one CW.

However, according to them, I have one 17 meter CW in the log. WTF?


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 16, 2012, 11:01:11 AM
Probably won't do 160 tonight as I have the DX club meeting, but maybe when I get home I'll try.

You may have better luck at that hour than me. Down my way they get progressively weaker the later the evening goes. 0100z is about the dividing point for them at my QTH. Before that my K9AY picks them up easily. Afterward they're considerably weaker and often fade right out. Do you have a Beverage that favours the southeast?

Yes I have a single pointed SE. I have phased pointing NE.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB3LIX on November 16, 2012, 11:19:31 AM
I know I do not have any contact with PT0S. Would like just one CW.

However, according to them, I have one 17 meter CW in the log. WTF?

Bob,
I was listening on 17m the other day, when I heard them reply
to AB8MA...I of course recognized the call sign.
It took him 3 tries to get the call, he got the 8MA, but had trouble
getting the prefix.
I think it was tuesday, but I'm not sure.

DAMN...I thought you had them...TOO BAD !!!

Now, go get 'em !


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 16, 2012, 11:32:45 AM
I know I do not have any contact with PT0S. Would like just one CW.

However, according to them, I have one 17 meter CW in the log. WTF?

I had the SAME thing happen. They had me in the log for a 17 meter cw QSO (on the 11th, I found out) which I did not make. Later, I made a 17 cw QSO and wanted to be sure the right QSO was in the log, and it was.  The contact of the 11th was obviously a busted call, and I could not have claimed it, not knowing the time. I dont want someone elses QSO anyhow.
73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N5MOA on November 16, 2012, 12:27:00 PM
Log has been updated again, for those interested in looking.

Updated news on their website.

http://pt0s.com/NEWSUPDATES.html


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AB8MA on November 16, 2012, 12:28:46 PM
Well, they got no 5NN from me. Dang.

Thankfully I got ZW0S back in 2003. Phone. :)

I know I do not have any contact with PT0S. Would like just one CW.

However, according to them, I have one 17 meter CW in the log. WTF?

Bob,
I was listening on 17m the other day, when I heard them reply
to AB8MA...I of course recognized the call sign.
It took him 3 tries to get the call, he got the 8MA, but had trouble
getting the prefix.
I think it was tuesday, but I'm not sure.

DAMN...I thought you had them...TOO BAD !!!

Now, go get 'em !


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 16, 2012, 12:49:31 PM
One comment on the cluster that made me chuckle - "Maybe their VFO knob needs some glue"

ROFL, yes they do. Their TX freq keeps drifting up and down. I have a LOCK button on my rig that I use when running or even in a QSO on frequency.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB3LIX on November 16, 2012, 12:53:23 PM
000I'm on 30 now, and they are all over the place.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 16, 2012, 12:53:32 PM
Just worked them on 30. But the spots are saying that it's a slim?

Fast CW op and QSX down... I dunno, but WFWL.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W1VT on November 16, 2012, 12:56:45 PM
They said that about the 17m operator two days ago.

But the Qs are in the log... WFWL...


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB3LIX on November 16, 2012, 12:57:30 PM
Just worked them on 30. But the spots are saying that it's a slim?

Fast CW op and QSX down... I dunno, but WFWL.

I also heard him reply to U...

But I thought it was to N2AJ

My ears must be going south.

He is also beginning to get a "flutter"
on his sig since it got dark down therre.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 16, 2012, 12:59:12 PM
Looks like some people are trying to cause trouble, probably hoping people will give up when they see "SLIM" on the cluster.

I dunno who or why anyone would be causing trouble, QRMing etc? Maybe they are the type of DXer who has the same mindset as people on a sports field or race track who will ram into their opponent to cause bodily injury just so that their team can "win." Really poor sportsmanship.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 16, 2012, 01:01:06 PM
Just worked them on 30. But the spots are saying that it's a slim?

Fast CW op and QSX down... I dunno, but WFWL.

I also heard him reply to U...

But I thought it was to N2AJ

My ears must be going south.

Nope, it was me. Steve spotted him at 2038Z. I worked them at 2052Z.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W2IRT on November 16, 2012, 02:09:46 PM
Congrats (to both you and Steve). I have SP&P on 30 from a few years back so I won't call unless they're begging. They updated the log again and my 160m Q is finally in there - what a relief! Also my 17 and 10m SSB QSOs showed up as well, which had been M.I.A. for two days.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB3LIX on November 16, 2012, 02:16:37 PM
30m became another ZOO with all the idiots coming
out of the woodwork like cocka-roaches.

I gave up listening. It ain't worth the aggrivation.
Maybe tonight after the turds go to bed I can
look for them some more.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W5RDW on November 16, 2012, 02:23:04 PM
My 80 M CW contact showed up today. It came thru the second upload. I was sad the first upload earlier did not have it, but now I am happy.

Now I have to wait for LOTW to catch up!  ;D


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K7KB on November 16, 2012, 03:31:08 PM
ARGH!!! My 80M CW QSO on the 15th is not in the log.  :'( And I know I heard it repeated back perfectly. Seems like they might be dropping a lot of Q's for some reason or one of the computer logs didn't get uploaded before the last update at 0928. But this taught me I need to start recording my QSO's just in case this happens again. At least I would have some recorded proof.

John K7KB

Whew! The 80M QSO finally made it through on the online log. It must have been one of those that didn't get included on the initial upload because of their internet issues. So next time I'll wait a couple of days or so before I start getting worried :)

John K7KB


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N5MOA on November 16, 2012, 06:26:38 PM
Since my 160m dipole at 35 ft wasn't cutting it, I spent about 5 hours this afternoon working on a inverted-L.

I have plenty of trees, just none over about 40 ft.  I had some 4 ft aluminum military mast I stacked up to 44 ft for the vertical part, (had to loosen the guys ropes as I went up) and ran a wire over to a tree top for the horizontal part.  Had to get the wife to slide the bottom section on, it was getting kinda wiggly. Probably shouldn't have gone that high with it, but I kept thinking "one more". I did put three sets of guys.

I ran a bolt through the bottom section to connect the center conductor, and to keep it from sliding down too far on the big screwdriver I drove in the ground to mount it on. It barely slide over the handle, so I guess it is insulated enough. It also left it elevated about 6 inches off the ground.

I was running out of daylight, so I only had time to run 2 elevated radials, zig zagged around anything I could find to keep it elevated. It wound up being a bit short, 1.7 @ 1.915, but the tuner took care of that for now.

It was time well spent. Got 'em on 160m @ 01:50.  :)



 


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W1VT on November 16, 2012, 06:29:06 PM
They have a good explanation up now in the news section about how difficult it is to update the logs.

Not that I mind--I already have way more in the log than I would have expected.  The last two Qs were actually pretty easy   ;D


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K3VAT on November 16, 2012, 11:10:51 PM
80M was especially good early Saturday morning (0200Z); CW op very good and a manageable pile.  Propagation was cooperating also.

Their log seems to be working also - at least my 2 Qs showed up.

GL, 73, Rich, K3VAT


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K4JK on November 17, 2012, 12:35:21 AM
Loud this AM on 40 in VA, great OP. Glad this one's in the log for #200!


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 17, 2012, 06:53:45 AM
I was hearing them on 160 well past midnight but they were light and probably not hearing me.

I'll try again until I get 'em.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 17, 2012, 07:28:28 AM
My 3:45 AM 40 meter CW QSO, when I was half asleep, has shown up in their online log today.  That one stands out more than my 10 and 15 meter QSOs because I only have a simple Inverted V at 55 feet for the low bands.

73,

Chris/NU1O



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NI0C on November 17, 2012, 07:39:34 AM
Chris, thanks for pointing out the log update this morning!  I was pleased to see my 160m QSO there.  PT0S had a great signal last evening on 160 just before 0300 UTC, and I was lucky to be there at the right time.

73,
Chuck  NI0C
 



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W1VT on November 17, 2012, 09:12:16 AM
Yep, with the last update I now have them on 5 bands!


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N5MOA on November 17, 2012, 09:56:10 AM
Took about a hour, but finally got 'em on 15m RTTY.

Their log is up on Clublog also.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K0AP on November 17, 2012, 10:06:00 AM
Took about a hour, but finally got 'em on 15m RTTY.

Their log is up on Clublog also.

I saw your Qso on the monitor and I also got them soon after you did. 5 bands, all 3 modes so far. Can't be happier.

73 Dragan K0AP


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AB8MA on November 17, 2012, 04:52:19 PM
I wish they wouldn't keep bumping their transmit dial counterclockwise. I've got a terrible birdie at 10.138.2 and they are heading right for it. :)


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N1RND on November 17, 2012, 06:28:34 PM
I still don't have them,  a few days left, maybe I will score.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 17, 2012, 06:49:00 PM
Hurry up because they are reporting lots of problems with equipment. Looks like it's not taking too kindly to the salt air. I suspect they may QRT sooner rather than later.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KH6DC on November 17, 2012, 06:58:57 PM
Heard them on 15m earlier and they were loud.  Unfortunately they were only taking calls from VK and ZL, South Pacific only.  I guess Hawaii isn't south enough since were above the equator in the northern hemisphere.  Oh well, keep trying but looks like I won't be getting this dxpedition.

73, Delwyn KH6DC


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB3LIX on November 17, 2012, 07:51:50 PM
I DO NOT believe it !

I decided to take a break from Phone Sweeps, and
figured I would try to find PT0S wherever they may be.

Turns out, they are on 20m RTTY.

Took over an hour because like it has been
since the beginning of this particular venture,
the pile-ups were horrible. Spread out from
14.0815 to over 14.092

But I finally found them...

That makes a whole 2 Q's

40 cw & 20 RTTY...Now for ONE PHONE !

I sure hope they don't pack up their tents and camels
early and head home. I NEED until
wednesday night/thursday morning to get that one more Q.

 


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W2IRT on November 17, 2012, 08:41:34 PM
You actually beat me in that pileup by about 10 minutes. I saw your Q in my printout. I found them about 20 minutes later just starting up on 20 phone and caught them as soon as they started split.

I'd like to get them on 15 CW and 30 CW just for fun but if I don't make it, no biggie. I do hope they're able to stay QRV until next weekend -- I'd love to work them from Canada with my VE3 call.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 17, 2012, 09:21:38 PM
Heard them on 15m earlier and they were loud.  Unfortunately they were only taking calls from VK and ZL, South Pacific only.  I guess Hawaii isn't south enough since were above the equator in the northern hemisphere.  Oh well, keep trying but looks like I won't be getting this dxpedition.

73, Delwyn KH6DC

Why wouldn't you qualify for South Pacific?  Yes, technically you are 20 degrees north of the equator but would they even know that in the heat of a pileup?  Do they really have a separate call for North Pacific only?  Or Hawaii only and they can work the 10 guys with good enough stations to make the trip?

Just when are you supposed to call them, Delwyn?

73,

Chris/NU1O



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB3LIX on November 17, 2012, 10:23:47 PM
You actually beat me in that pileup by about 10 minutes. I saw your Q in my printout. I found them about 20 minutes later just starting up on 20 phone and caught them as soon as they started split.

I'd like to get them on 15 CW and 30 CW just for fun but if I don't make it, no biggie. I do hope they're able to stay QRV until next weekend -- I'd love to work them from Canada with my VE3 call.


Their last day is supposed to be Nov 22, Thanksgiving.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N1UK on November 18, 2012, 07:37:25 AM
Quote
Heard them on 15m earlier and they were loud.  Unfortunately they were only taking calls from VK and ZL, South Pacific only.  I guess Hawaii isn't south enough since were above the equator in the northern hemisphere.  Oh well, keep trying but looks like I won't be getting this dxpedition.


VK/ZL that is Pacific. I would call them. Next they do that, jump in because they aren't going to say anything when they work you. It wasn't like there was a stampede of VK/ZL calling them.  Go for it.


73 Mark N1UK


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 18, 2012, 08:12:53 AM
You actually beat me in that pileup by about 10 minutes. I saw your Q in my printout. I found them about 20 minutes later just starting up on 20 phone and caught them as soon as they started split.

I'd like to get them on 15 CW and 30 CW just for fun but if I don't make it, no biggie. I do hope they're able to stay QRV until next weekend -- I'd love to work them from Canada with my VE3 call.


Their last day is supposed to be Nov 22, Thanksgiving.


And from the looks of it they may be QRT even sooner, given all of the equipment problems.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 18, 2012, 08:15:51 AM
Quote
Heard them on 15m earlier and they were loud.  Unfortunately they were only taking calls from VK and ZL, South Pacific only.  I guess Hawaii isn't south enough since were above the equator in the northern hemisphere.  Oh well, keep trying but looks like I won't be getting this dxpedition.


VK/ZL that is Pacific. I would call them. Next they do that, jump in because they aren't going to say anything when they work you. It wasn't like there was a stampede of VK/ZL calling them.  Go for it.


73 Mark N1UK

I agree, Mark. Delwyn should jump in when they call for VK/ZL otherwise he is restricted to the USA and he really does not fit in with the continental US.

73,

Chris/NU1O



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 18, 2012, 11:48:13 AM
Well I tried and failed on 20 meters. A combination of them jumping around, loads of QRM, lids and cops, ultra wide splits and nice Sunday weather did it for me. Oh well, I have 5 bands. I would have been happy with just ATNO.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2NL on November 18, 2012, 02:23:01 PM
Heard them on 15m earlier and they were loud.  Unfortunately they were only taking calls from VK and ZL, South Pacific only.  I guess Hawaii isn't south enough since were above the equator in the northern hemisphere.  Oh well, keep trying but looks like I won't be getting this dxpedition.

73, Delwyn KH6DC

Delwyn,

I've always taken VK/ZL to mean OC - and I've never gotten chastised for calling when someone is asking for VK/ZL.  As you know, propagation can sometimes be very different from VK to where you (and I) live but sometimes it works in our favor.  Before he left, AA7JV told me to call when they were asking for JA - because I'm closer to Japan than most parts in Australia.  Again, sometimes I get an advantage (LP) but other times I suffer (SP when the JAs are 1500 miles closer).  As an outlier (outside of JA, EU, NA) I've found almost all DXpeditions are happy if I call any time - remember those guys are DXers also so they like getting called by DX as well.  Only difference is when it's a local (OC) DXpedition.  In that case I won't call if they're asking for NA or EU.

73, Dave KH2/N2NL


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 18, 2012, 05:49:02 PM
I was once called by NH2MS when I was vacationing in 9Y. On his QSL card he said he was beaming LP and using 75w. I was floored. I like those kind of contacts.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N1UK on November 18, 2012, 06:03:18 PM
Is anyone else having trouble with their 15m rtty logs.

I worked them on 15m rtty on 15 Nov and it didn't show in the log. So I spent hours and worked them on 15m rtty again on 17 Nov.

Neither of these qso's are in the log and they were both good solid contacts. I even saved the MMTY file the last time.

73 Mark N1UK


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: VE3YF on November 19, 2012, 04:48:36 AM
Is anyone else having trouble with their 15m rtty logs.

I worked them on 15m rtty on 15 Nov and it didn't show in the log. So I spent hours and worked them on 15m rtty again on 17 Nov.

Neither of these qso's are in the log and they were both good solid contacts. I even saved the MMTY file the last time.

73 Mark N1UK

Hi Mark:

Congrats on working them on RTTY. I am sure the logs will get sorted out. I just wish I could get them on RTTY. Seems like I am always missing the RTTY openings...Maybe time to call in sick...

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 19, 2012, 07:59:52 AM
Gave a listen a few min ago on 12 and 15 cw. Thought I might try for another band. Ha...... I thank the DX gods for my 17 and 40 meter QSOs. I am SOOO glad I dont have to fight that battle again.  I believe the QRM is worse now than it was at the beginning. The EU GOONS are rabid this morning.... I would estimate I heard at least 500 FUs in a few min. I dont need that headach this morning. 

It just makes me worry how terrible the QRM will be on ZL9HR.  The only way to defeat the jackass QRMers is LOUD DX stations and LOTS of them. Otherwise, forget it. ::)  One or two stations QRV dont stand a chance anymore, it seems. :(

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB3LIX on November 19, 2012, 09:26:08 AM
My RTTY Q on 15m is also missing although
I have not checked this morning, but last night it twernt there.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W0XX on November 19, 2012, 09:30:24 AM
I don't think they posted the RTTY QSOs, just a thought.   Didn't see mine either...so who knows...could be a mix up on their end, or just not set up to log them...

Just hope it is on their posession when they return (Hi).


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: WX2S on November 19, 2012, 09:38:41 AM
http://www.pt0s.com/search.html

Last QSOs in the Database: 1045 UTC 18 November 2012

They're apparently using a slow and flaky satellite link to upload them, so they're not getting uploaded too often.

- WX2S


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: VE3YF on November 19, 2012, 09:44:55 AM
I don't think they posted the RTTY QSOs, just a thought.   Didn't see mine either...so who knows...could be a mix up on their end, or just not set up to log them...

Just hope it is on their posession when they return (Hi).


Chris:

They might be a bit slow in the updating due to poor speeds etc, but if you go to clublog and look at the list you will see quite a few that have RTTY contacts displayed. To be on the safe side work em again. I am still looking for a RTTY contact and with the low numbers of RTTY contacts, I would have thought they would dedicate at least 1 station to full time RTTY. Only time will tell, I sure hope they dont pack it in prior to the 22nd.....GL

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: HS0ZJU on November 19, 2012, 10:26:37 AM
This is not easy from hs between usa and eu. Speaking of radio gods ;]. Managed to work them on 10meters at around 11:30pm local time.

73 marc hs0zju


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 19, 2012, 02:26:14 PM
Looks like the PT0S website is down. 2225z

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KY6R on November 19, 2012, 02:34:07 PM

It just makes me worry how terrible the QRM will be on ZL9HR.  The only way to defeat the jackass QRMers is LOUD DX stations and LOTS of them. Otherwise, forget it. ::)  One or two stations QRV dont stand a chance anymore, it seems. :(


PT0S is located right in between the most concentrated ham-populated parts of the world (NA and EU - and with SA being close and strong as well). When you add in the fact that at this time of the year - the daylight / night time and band conditions are all in good shape - you get the fiercest competition.

Play with DX Atlas and see how very different the situation will be with ZL9HR - it will be like night and day because they will be a mostly high band operation and propagation won't be good for both EU and NA at the same time.

Even the conditions across NA will be very different - yes - it will have more demand than PT0S, but not all at the same time each day.

Planning and strategy with antennas and propagation will be the key to success.

http://ky6r.wordpress.com

has the NA propagation charts . . . in detail. The ZL9HR site also has very good propagation information.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 19, 2012, 03:17:05 PM
This is not easy from hs between usa and eu. Speaking of radio gods ;]. Managed to work them on 10meters at around 11:30pm local time.

73 marc hs0zju

Unfortunately, I have never seen 10 meters open at 11:30 PM local time for F-layer skip. We occasionally get some sporadic E skip on 10 at that time to the Southern and Great Lakes states. I find it interesting as to how one's location effects propagation on the various bands.

BTW, Marc, that's a very nice catch!

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N4NYY on November 19, 2012, 03:32:09 PM
I am having a horrible time hearing these guys. I could barely hear them this morning with 2 preamps. Not sure why.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2NL on November 19, 2012, 04:28:39 PM
This is not easy from hs between usa and eu. Speaking of radio gods ;]. Managed to work them on 10meters at around 11:30pm local time.

73 marc hs0zju

Unfortunately, I have never seen 10 meters open at 11:30 PM local time for F-layer skip. We occasionally get some sporadic E skip on 10 at that time to the Southern and Great Lakes states. I find it interesting as to how one's location effects propagation on the various bands.

BTW, Marc, that's a very nice catch!

73,

Chris/NU1O

We get some interesting propagation being closer to the equator.  I was looking through my CQWW DX CW log from last year and saw I had a 10m long path opening to the northeast USA at my 1AM local (15Z).  If the SFI is up, we often get this LP opening into the Caribbean also.  Sometimes it is the only time we can work this part of the world because otherwise we are fighting pileups from NA and sometimes JA as well.

73, Dave (NH2T for WWCW)


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AA6YQ on November 19, 2012, 08:23:21 PM
My 160m CW QSO with PT0S was confirmed via LotW today! No insurance QSO required...

     73,

          Dave, AA6YQ


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 20, 2012, 12:17:13 AM
We get some interesting propagation being closer to the equator.  I was looking through my CQWW DX CW log from last year and saw I had a 10m long path opening to the northeast USA at my 1AM local (15Z).  If the SFI is up, we often get this LP opening into the Caribbean also.  Sometimes it is the only time we can work this part of the world because otherwise we are fighting pileups from NA and sometimes JA as well.

73, Dave (NH2T for WWCW)

When conditions are good I often work the guys from Indonesia will past their local midnight on 15 meters.  That's really odd for somebody in my area. Although there are great advantages to being near the equator usually nature has a way of evening things out. I'd imagine the static level can be extremely high on the low bands.

As an SWL in my teens it was always my understanding that countries near the equator used the 120, 90, and 60 meter bands for domestic broadcasting because the QRN levels were too high on LW and MW.

I always wanted to receive one of the many Indonesian stations in the 90 meter band but most were low power and my antenna at the time was just a random length of wire so I never pulled it off.  I did hear many stations from China on odd-ball low frequencies but they were no doubt using much more power.

73,

Chris/NU1O



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 20, 2012, 12:36:45 AM
Both of my 15 meter QSOs with PT0S were confirmed via LoTW tonight.

These four gentlemen went above and beyond the call of duty, IMO. Not only are they enduring a harsh climate, getting little sleep, eating lousy food, and no doubt hearing about complaints they aren't working various areas, or enough bands or modes, they managed to have their aides upload our QSOs to LoTW while still on the island!

I was already going to increase my donation but the quick LoTW confirmation is just another reason to be more generous.

I have great respect for all the OPs who activate these God forsaken places that nobody but hams, Navies, birds and turtles, and some meteorologists have even heard of.  I'd like to work them on 20 meters as icing on the cake but if I do not it's not a big deal. These guys deserve a lot of credit for this wonderful expedition to what really is just a rock in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.

73,

Chris/NU1O



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: VE3YF on November 20, 2012, 02:30:56 AM
Hi:

Well I think I had my chance and blew it. PT0S was just on 30m RTTY (1000z) and I went to switch antenna and then they were gone. I thought maybe the dreaded QRX, so I waited...waited and nothing... I looked for a new spot ie on 160 or 80 and saw nothing. This could have been my 1 and only chance to get em and I blew it. Why didnt I get up 15 mins earlier.....

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU4B on November 20, 2012, 02:57:24 AM
Hi:

Well I think I had my chance and blew it. PT0S was just on 30m RTTY (1000z) and I went to switch antenna and then they were gone. I thought maybe the dreaded QRX, so I waited...waited and nothing... I looked for a new spot ie on 160 or 80 and saw nothing. This could have been my 1 and only chance to get em and I blew it. Why didnt I get up 15 mins earlier.....

73 De Mike
VE3YF

Me too! RATS! I got up at 0820 for 40CW. There they were loud and clear. And they worked about 3 stations and went QRT (or fell asleep or something).

I did work PJ7I on 80 for a new band counter. Even still, while I enjoyed working PJ7I and it was a band counter, I still felt like I got the consolation prize after losing the Big Showcase on The Price Is Right:

"Thank you for playing, here's a box of Tide."


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: HS0ZJU on November 20, 2012, 05:26:19 AM
Both of my 15 meter QSOs with PT0S were confirmed via LoTW tonight.

These four gentlemen went above and beyond the call of duty, IMO. Not only are they enduring a harsh climate, getting little sleep, eating lousy food, and no doubt hearing about complaints they aren't working various areas, or enough bands or modes, they managed to have their aides upload our QSOs to LoTW while still on the island!

I was already going to increase my donation but the quick LoTW confirmation is just another reason to be more generous.

I have great respect for all the OPs who activate these God forsaken places that nobody but hams, Navies, birds and turtles, and some meteorologists have even heard of.  I'd like to work them on 20 meters as icing on the cake but if I do not it's not a big deal. These guys deserve a lot of credit for this wonderful expedition to what really is just a rock in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.

73,

Chris/NU1O



I have to say that they make a habit to stop and work outside of their pileups to NA & EU.  I was trying for about a hour on 15m cw last night and it was impossible as i really had no idea where they were working. At 19:38 utc 2:38am local they called for SA then Asia that was ok with me...

73 marc hs0zju


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: HS0ZJU on November 20, 2012, 05:32:09 AM
This is not easy from hs between usa and eu. Speaking of radio gods ;]. Managed to work them on 10meters at around 11:30pm local time.

73 marc hs0zju

Unfortunately, I have never seen 10 meters open at 11:30 PM local time for F-layer skip. We occasionally get some sporadic E skip on 10 at that time to the Southern and Great Lakes states. I find it interesting as to how one's location effects propagation on the various bands.

BTW, Marc, that's a very nice catch!

73,

Chris/NU1O

I really wish i understood the propagation better. The band (10meters) is generally closed at night. Last night was no exception. I am not even sure what made me listen there. He 9pt0s) was fading in and out and working the US at a good rate. I was shocked he even heard me and think he was a little surprised also..

73 marc hs0zju


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: WS4T on November 20, 2012, 05:48:12 AM
I don't like bragging on the cluster, but I will post this message. A miracle occurred: I just worked them on 2 bands. Hopefully not slims and hopefully they didn't bust my call.

I was beginning to think this one wasn't going to work out, but first I got them on 10m SSB and right after that on 15m CW. Only a 2-hour investment overall. Man, those were some pile-ups.

Now I just have to wait and see if I'm in the log.

73,
Gary, ES1WST


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU1O on November 20, 2012, 08:12:30 AM
I have to say that they make a habit to stop and work outside of their pileups to NA & EU.  I was trying for about a hour on 15m cw last night and it was impossible as i really had no idea where they were working. At 19:38 utc 2:38am local they called for SA then Asia that was ok with me...

73 marc hs0zju

I happened to wake up around 2 AM (not to work PT0S. That time is close to their sunrise) and they had a nice signal on 30 meter RTTY where they were working a steady stream of Japanese stations. They did take at least one break asking for only SA and Africa. They got a few SA calls and went back to a general CQ.  I think they are doing the best they can at spreading things around but naturally NA & EU will make up the bulk of their contacts due to the close proximity.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KA5N on November 20, 2012, 09:12:01 AM
They had just returned from lunch this morning and I caught them as they started
calling QRZ on my third call.  I hadn't turned on the amp yet so made it with 100 watts.
It sure gets easier without those horrible pile ups.  Now if I make it into the log I
am set forever,  I'm too old to wait for anothe DXpedition to Peter and Paul Rocks.

yipee Allen Ka5n


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NQ3X on November 20, 2012, 09:39:16 AM
Just went to check if I'm in the log (I know I worked 'em on 30CW), and it appears the website is down. 

Curious.

Bob WP2XX


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: WA8UEG on November 20, 2012, 09:41:45 AM
Sight has been down since yesterday morning.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N5MOA on November 20, 2012, 09:58:59 AM
Just went to check if I'm in the log (I know I worked 'em on 30CW), and it appears the website is down. 

Curious.

Bob WP2XX

Worked fine for me a minute ago.

Log is also on Clublog.   

http://www.clublog.org/expeditions.php


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 20, 2012, 10:54:23 AM
Per their latest log update, it appears that some folks could not work them to their taste and have
complained that it is a poor operation.

http://pt0s.com/NEWSUPDATES.html

First of all, these folks should go on an expedition and see the challenges that are thrown at them.
These 4 fine men have been spending sleepless nights, have been facing a challenging environment on a rock near
the equator. Do some of these people know what the suns feels like close to the tropics, esp on a rock? Sigh!!!

To top it off, salty environment is not congenial to radio equipment, when it is hot and can cause equipment failure.

The ops have spent their resources to put a rare one on the air, so please be grateful that there are such people out
there that are able to do it for the love of the hobby.

So before people throw their stupid asinine comments, they need to think through and then react.

These 4 iron men deserve kudos and a beer on me if and when they visit Dayton, because it continues to amaze me as
to how 4 people are able to man the stations round the clock for 2 weeks.

Krish
w4vku


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N1UK on November 20, 2012, 11:00:46 AM
Well said Krish. I don't know how they do it on that sun baked salty rock with little sleep. Absolutely amazing.

Well done guys and a such a great signal.


73 Mark N1UK


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: WS3N on November 20, 2012, 11:22:33 AM
Simply incredible. I just finished reading an e-mail, from Bernie, in which he resent George's response. I am constantly amazed that people can be so petty and self-centered.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W1VT on November 20, 2012, 12:22:49 PM

I really wish i understood the propagation better. The band (10meters) is generally closed at night. Last night was no exception. I am not even sure what made me listen there. He 9pt0s) was fading in and out and working the US at a good rate. I was shocked he even heard me and think he was a little surprised also..

73 marc hs0zju

Hi Marc

http://www.voacap.com/prediction.html

Try this site and check the Long Path option on the right.
You can get long path propagation because of the long days in the Southern Hemisphere at this time of the year--opposite our short days--so you are shooting your signal along the mostly illuminated path.

Even so, that is a really good contact with a very low probability of propagation.  Congratulations!

Zack W1VT


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: VE3YF on November 20, 2012, 12:50:44 PM
Hi:

This could be my lucky day, just got home from work to find PT0S on 20m RTTY. He got my call ok but dropped down a couple hundred hz and time I found him my QRG was being clobbered by callers. Did I get him or not...I dont expect a log update till sometime tomorrow, so I will keep pressing for a RTTY contact to be on the safe side. So if I steal another contact from someone, I apologize now...Better to be safe than sorry...

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU4B on November 20, 2012, 12:57:42 PM
Simply incredible. I just finished reading an e-mail, from Bernie, in which he resent George's response. I am constantly amazed that people can be so petty and self-centered.

Have you been off the air the last 20 years? "petty and self-centered" are some peoples' strong traits.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB3LIX on November 20, 2012, 01:35:34 PM
My 20m RTTY Q is still missing from the on-line log.
So I got them again on 20 rtty today.
Now to see if this one makes the log.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 20, 2012, 01:49:11 PM
I think Krish said it exactly right above...... 4 IRON MEN.  Keeping 2 or 3 stations QRV 24/7 for a couple weeks under hellish conditions and little rest/sleep is beyond belief.  George and Tomi are both used to being QRV in isolated places, just the two of them, but that sure does not make this one any easier. The other two ops are hanging tough as well, and I am sure that George will have nothing but praise for the entire crew when they return from this succesful expedition.
WELL DONE GUYS, and a big THANKS from AF3Y 8)

73, Gene


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 20, 2012, 02:08:11 PM
Check your LoTW, mine shows an upload from them already!

I'll be chipping them a few bucks stat!


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W2IRT on November 20, 2012, 08:00:33 PM
For anybody who still needs them on 160m, they're louder than I've ever heard them this evening (Tuesday) and the pile is relatively light.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N9KX on November 21, 2012, 09:29:32 AM

Now I just have to wait and see if I'm in the log.

73,
Gary, ES1WST

Anyone know how often the log has been getting updated?  I know it is pretty amazing they are even there and operating and that instantaneous log uploading is not a huge priority, but I was fortunate enough to work them yesterday afternoon (on 10 meter SSB) and cannot wait to see if I am in the log.  I was doubting I would be able to work these guys.  I wish they would spend more time on 40m CW, but appreciate that my priorities will not necessarily be theirs LOL


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NN3W on November 21, 2012, 09:34:04 AM
I've got them on 6 bands from my little suburban QTH.  The piles are indeed lighter and I gote them on one call on 10 the other day.  For those of you "hibernating", now is your chance....


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB3LIX on November 21, 2012, 09:44:38 AM
I've got them on 6 bands from my little suburban QTH.  The piles are indeed lighter and I gote them on one call on 10 the other day.  For those of you "hibernating", now is your chance....

Yes indeed,
the pileups must be diminishing.
Last night on 80m CW, he was calling for JA's for about 1/2 hour.
He then asked for anybody.
Took about a dozen calls, but he heard me.
I checked their log today, no update recently.

Now I'm lookin for 2 to show up.

I REALLY wanted to get them on 80m.
I have been working oin 5bdxcc.
The only band that is not complete is 80m.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 21, 2012, 10:49:51 AM
The word over the grapevine is that they might stay on the rocks a few days longer and will also participate in the
CW contest this weekend. So that 80m cw contact may not be a big deal.

Krish
w4vku


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU4B on November 21, 2012, 10:57:39 AM
The word over the grapevine is that they might stay on the rocks a few days longer and will also participate in the
CW contest this weekend. So that 80m cw contact may not be a big deal.

Krish
w4vku

They have been listed as a participant on the NG3K page for quite sometime. It seemed they got a late start and were going to extend past the 22nd, BUT with operating conditions I was wondering if they were going to make it to the contest. These guys are real troopers!


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 21, 2012, 11:07:57 AM
The word over the grapevine is that they might stay on the rocks a few days longer and will also participate in the
CW contest this weekend. So that 80m cw contact may not be a big deal.

Krish
w4vku

They have been listed as a participant on the NG3K page for quite sometime. It seemed they got a late start and were going to extend past the 22nd, BUT with operating conditions I was wondering if they were going to make it to the contest. These guys are real troopers!

Since they are "Hitching a ride", they have to wait for the next boat.  Dont know when that will be. They came out on a fishing boat.
 I still dont have em on 80, so I hope they are there a little longer.
 73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N5MOA on November 21, 2012, 11:17:25 AM
From their website:

"We are aiming to stay for the CQWW contest but that is not sure yet at all. More navy activities are planned in the coming days and we will need additional permission to stay during the weekend. Otherwise, we may go QRT as soon as Friday, Nov 23.

George, AA7JV
"




As others have posted, I have several confirmed on LOTW already, one of those being my 160m qso. Only 63 to go.  :P


Hope those that ain't got'em, get 'em. Good luck.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU4B on November 21, 2012, 11:34:25 AM
The word over the grapevine is that they might stay on the rocks a few days longer and will also participate in the
CW contest this weekend. So that 80m cw contact may not be a big deal.

Krish
w4vku

They have been listed as a participant on the NG3K page for quite sometime. It seemed they got a late start and were going to extend past the 22nd, BUT with operating conditions I was wondering if they were going to make it to the contest. These guys are real troopers!

 I still dont have em on 80, so I hope they are there a little longer.
 

And to think I'm just hoping I'm in the next log update.  :-[

Congrats, Gene, and good luck on 80.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N9KX on November 21, 2012, 11:42:09 AM
Quote from:  [url=http://pt0s.com/logsearch.html
http://pt0s.com/logsearch.html[/url] ]

Total of 1 QSO with K9AIM

There are 37282 QSOs in the Database

Last QSOs in the Database: 0930 UTC 21 November 2012

woohoo!
i know it always gets easier near the end, but I was kind of worried about getting this one given the size of the pileups


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: VE3YF on November 21, 2012, 11:46:10 AM
Their website mentions that they be able to stick around for the CQWW. Decision is not theirs though, but all indications are they will be around till at least Friday. Updated log has my yesterday RTTY contact, so I am a happy camper and also worked them this morning on 17CW/SSB, but didnt make the log update deadline of 0930, but still a happy camper. Just waiting for 10/12 CW and the 160m contact which I will try tonight. Missed the opportunity last night, but every thing is ready for another attempt at 160. GL to all.

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB3LIX on November 21, 2012, 11:59:41 AM
They apparently just did an on-line log update.

My record shows:
40 CW
80 CW
20 RTTY

Now to get just ONE phone...Fat Chance !


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU4B on November 21, 2012, 12:07:09 PM
Of course my QSO would be in the NEXT update. Why does it always work out that way?  ;D

I guess back to the mayhem for the next 24 hours.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W1VT on November 21, 2012, 12:38:25 PM
KB3LIX--I suggest trying 10M phone for that SSB QSO. 

My 20 RTTY QSO made the last update--so I now have them on 6 bands and 3 modes  ;D


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KB3LIX on November 21, 2012, 01:57:28 PM
KB3LIX--I suggest trying 10M phone for that SSB QSO. 

My 20 RTTY QSO made the last update--so I now have them on 6 bands and 3 modes  ;D

I have listened on 28.495 a bunch of times when I have
seen them spotted, and I have never heard a peep out of them.

That is NOT to say I will quit listening !


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W1VT on November 21, 2012, 02:18:38 PM
If you have a small station, don't wait for spots!!!

Seriously, your vertiical antenna pattern is likely to be quite different from the guys who spot--your band openings will be different, particularly on 10M where a lot of guys compromise 10M beam performance in favor of 20 meters (single beam on a tower--not a phased stack)

Also, as I interpret their web site, they are running 100 watts, as they only have amps on the two main stations--they are using the 6M station barefoot to get on 10M whenever 6 isn't open.

Good luck!


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: WG5G on November 21, 2012, 06:25:45 PM
This is to Larry, NU4B, from what Im reading you finally got ur cw qso? Hope ur in the next update, I was happy with the 1 cw qso but did manage a ssb qso on 20 mtrs last weekend abt 0500z, actually it was easy, no pileup, anyway those guys have done a great job, did everyone see the photo in their last update? i will be sending a donation with my qsl request, they gave me a new cw country and they have been active just about round the clock, well I need to rest up for the CQWW and the ZL9HR operation, need some points for the DX MARATHON, congrats again, 73/72 DAN WG5G.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: WD4ELG on November 21, 2012, 08:04:10 PM
Got em on CW, all bands except 10.  Can't believe my luck!  But no SSB.  What chaos.  I decided it was not worth the effort.  After just listening for 5 minutes on 20 SSB, I was sorta disgusted and just turned off the rig.  Probably should have stuck around, but the pileups were so huge and i could not find any pattern to follow like I could on CW.  EU and NA and SA in a real furball fight, well into the DXpedition.  Amazing.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N5MOA on November 21, 2012, 10:40:41 PM
Finally, one from the mobile, 80m cw.

Nice signal in Texas right now. Some of the EU stations he is working  are fairly loud, too.



Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AB8MA on November 22, 2012, 11:03:00 AM
I know I do not have any contact with PT0S. Would like just one CW.

However, according to them, I have one 17 meter CW in the log. WTF?

Bob,
I was listening on 17m the other day, when I heard them reply
to AB8MA...I of course recognized the call sign.
It took him 3 tries to get the call, he got the 8MA, but had trouble
getting the prefix.
I think it was tuesday, but I'm not sure.

DAMN...I thought you had them...TOO BAD !!!

Now, go get 'em !

Well, FINALLY. Got them CW on 17 meters. So, even though I have been in THEIR log for a week, they are finally in MY log today.

So it's official. Phone in 2003 and CW in 2012. :)


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W1VT on November 22, 2012, 12:14:20 PM
I just saw my 80M CW Q in their recently uploaded log--so that makes 7 bands!


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 22, 2012, 12:35:39 PM
Worked them last night on 160, one call.

Thanks to W2IRT for the heads up that they were on.

And my QSO showed up in the online log, updated just now, which means that it will also show up in LoTW soon.

So all I'm missing now are 20, 12 and 80... but they are QRT soon, so I guess next 20 years when they are active again I guess.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: NU4B on November 22, 2012, 12:46:19 PM
This is to Larry, NU4B, from what Im reading you finally got ur cw qso? Hope ur in the next update, I was happy with the 1 cw qso but did manage a ssb qso on 20 mtrs last weekend abt 0500z, actually it was easy, no pileup, anyway those guys have done a great job, did everyone see the photo in their last update? i will be sending a donation with my qsl request, they gave me a new cw country and they have been active just about round the clock, well I need to rest up for the CQWW and the ZL9HR operation, need some points for the DX MARATHON, congrats again, 73/72 DAN WG5G.

Yes! Yes! Yes! I was beginning to sweat that one. I always thought the best place was 40 meters like we talked about. But it never seemed to work out for me. I would get there about QRT time. I noticed when they called CQ around 0830 or so they would disappear. In fact I think that happened last night on 80 too. Strong sigs, then called a couple CQ's (with people still calling) and then gone. Oh well - doesn't matter now because 20 meters was the band.  ;D

This one was around 1330Z and their signal was not that strong, but I knew where he was listening and he stayed on that RX freq for a few calls ( I noticed he would stay on one RX freq for a few calls, then move and stay for a few calls, then move.) I went a few htz up and he found me. No more 3am alarms.  ;D (Although the middle of the night is really good for 80 meters.) So no alarms at least for a while.  ;D


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: HA5X on November 22, 2012, 12:53:43 PM
Dear All commenting in this topic,

I am Chris, webmaster/pilot of PT0S. 

I would like to thank you for your comments in this forum.

Positive comments surely gave the operators encouragement in a truly difficult environment.

Negative comments were/are also important as they help operators understand what the other end of the pileups experience, and - if possible - try to adjust their operaration to please the audience.  Therefore, throughout the expedition I have also forwarded most negative comments and various request to them as well. As far as I hear myself, and as far as they told me, the team took these comments seriously.

Therefore I would like to thank ALL of you who have given us feedback, either positive or negative, directly or indirectly. Your comments were/are much appreciated.

73, Chris,  WW1WWW  -  HA5X  -  HA5XA  - M0XXA


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K7KB on November 22, 2012, 01:58:38 PM
Chris: I'm sure I speak for many of us who appreciate everything the team has done with the conditions they have had to endure. I want to wish the team a safe trip back home and a pat on the back for a job well done!

John K7KB


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N4NYY on November 22, 2012, 02:04:46 PM
I could not hear them until yesterday, but they seem to be doing a great job. Though when they went off the air, you would have never thought so by the comments. Some people are just miserable. 


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W4VKU on November 22, 2012, 03:27:55 PM
Absolutely Chris. Definite thanks to the entire team for a job well done. I hope the Dxers worldwide will
help defray some of the costs of the expedition by any small donation they can possibly afford.

Now if only the EU stations would heed to instructions, some of the little stations in AS that are
trying to make it into the log will be able to do so. I heard that big stations in AS running Kw and
yagis made it into the log with difficulty, due to the EU QRM, even when the Op was looking out
for AS. So some attention to QRP stations might help log a few more unique calls in the last few
hours of the operation and offer some hope to the little stations calling.

Krish
w4vku


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: VE3YF on November 22, 2012, 03:43:21 PM
Their website has been updated and some bad news for some:

The log is updated, including 40928 QSOs, the last one being 0845 UTC 22 November 2012. Log is uploaded to Clublog for stats and also to LoTW. I have bad news for some. A lot of people were asking about missing RTTY QSOs. We asked George, and he writes: “We made no RTTY contacts between Nov 18 11:24 and Nov 20 07:38.” so if your QSOs fell in this timeframe, you may have worked a SLIM :-( As George writes they may have to go QRT tomorrow morning (Friday), whether they can stay depends on the navy who are to start maintenance work on the rocks.

So if you fall into that RTTY issue, go get now cause they are on 20m right now.

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: AF3Y on November 22, 2012, 07:15:57 PM
Finally got that 80 meter band CW QSO this evening :o.  That totals 4 bands for me, including 17, 20 and 40.  Wish I could have got them on 30, and may yet still, if they stick around for a couple more days.

I listened in on PT0S on a couple SSB spots and decided I did not want to stick my nose in there. That little road show on 40 SSB the other nite will go down in history as the largest DX cluster foxtrot I have ever heard ::).

They are still there now, pounding out QSOs. If you need em on 80, now is certainly your chance. The pile is not as big as it has been, but they are sure not begging!

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N2RJ on November 22, 2012, 08:22:47 PM
Just got them on 80 cw as well.

So that just leaves 20, 12 (and 6) for me. No big deal, that's 2 challenge points but at least I got 80 for my 5BDXCC.


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K6UJ on November 22, 2012, 08:28:57 PM
Finally got that 80 meter band CW QSO this evening :o.  That totals 4 bands for me, including 17, 20 and 40.  Wish I could have got them on 30, and may yet still, if they stick around for a couple more days.

I listened in on PT0S on a couple SSB spots and decided I did not want to stick my nose in there. That little road show on 40 SSB the other nite will go down in history as the largest DX cluster foxtrot I have ever heard ::).

They are still there now, pounding out QSOs. If you need em on 80, now is certainly your chance. The pile is not as big as it has been, but they are sure not begging!

73, Gene AF3Y


Congrats on getting them on 80 Gene !
I somehow managed to make an 80CW QSO also.  I don't know how I made it.
It wasn't my poor excuse for an 80 meter antenna and it couldn't have been my operating skill  :D

73,
Bob
K6UJ


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W2IRT on November 23, 2012, 07:20:00 AM
Hi Chris, thanks for your great job as pilot and Webmaster for them. You've truly done an outstanding job and there will always be a pint or two waiting for you at casa-IRT in NJ or at the bar in Dayton!

If there were to be anything negative, about the only thing would have been the QSX range may have been a tad excessive at times, which may not be necessary given the amazing filtration capabilities of the K3--they probably could have limited the CW pileups to 10-15kHz at first and less later. But again, a very minor quibble in an otherwise exemplary operation. First class all 'round and a hearty "Well Done" from me!


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N5UD on November 23, 2012, 09:05:45 AM
I know this will sound strange to east coasters and big antenna folks. They had one of the worst signals for an expedition above 30 meters.
Not that I tried real hard, but never heard them well above 30 meters on my mobile. Lots of QSB on sigs when I did, and usually working EU.
If not working EU, working east coast and I could barely hear them. Or west coast and hear them. It seemed they were OTA either too early for Texas or too late.
Then the pileups never seemed to abate. Had they stayed this weekend, I would have looked for them again on 20-10 meters.

My QSO's were made early on. The mobile BLASTED THROUGH on 80 first, then 40 CW, then 40 SSB. All in the same night.
I tried 30M at least two times, but again no prize. S7-S9 both times. One time was at least 1/2 hour calling while traveling I-20. They were working more EU than US.

Then there was the constant QRM, and the slims on the same freq. Not a fun chase on the upper bands at all.
73 Tony N5UD /M


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: N1UK on November 23, 2012, 09:41:22 AM
Maybe on 40m ssb when working the USA, it might be better for the DX to be on 7125 and listen say 7135 to 7145, then any US ranters would be out of band. Also there are no nets down there or very few, to vent their ire on the DX frequency.


A great operation all round. Well done guys

73 Mark N1UK


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: K7KB on November 23, 2012, 09:50:03 AM
I worked them on 6 bands, both CW and SSB so I can't complain :) About the only thing that would be icing on the cake would have been a RTTY QSO and one for 30 meters. Seems like whenever I would see them spotted for RTTY about the time I would get there to jump in the pileup, they would QSY to another band on CW or SSB. And I jumped into a 30M pileup early on in the expedition but didn't have any luck breaking through the East Coast. I don't blame the team for not getting them on RTTY or 30M, just my luck and not being retired yet :)

John K7KB


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: KI4PRK on November 23, 2012, 12:57:52 PM
This was the first really rare DXpedition that's been on since I started working every weekday... that with busy weekends made for a rather nervous couple of weeks, but managed to get them the day before they went QRT, in the early AM hours of Thanksgiving day on 40M CW.

   I've been really inactive since May or June, in fact essentially inactive except for PT0S and the CW SS, but the CW CQ WW is always the annual start of my real activity, so with that and the exciting ZL9HR coming up (the fourth top-20 this year!), I should be much more active at least for a few months  :)

73, Brennen


Title: RE: PT0S active
Post by: W2IRT on November 23, 2012, 10:41:55 PM
Cleaned 'em out on pretty-well everywhere. 9 bands, 3 modes, 17 bandslots. I will never need anything other than 6m from St. Peter and Paul in a future DXpedition. Great ops, great ears, spectacular activation of a fairly rare entity. Thanks for the Qs, guys. Travel safe.