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Title: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: K7CB on November 12, 2012, 05:23:16 PM
Here's a question I hope someone will know the answer to.  We're in a contract to buy a house.  When we started working with our real estate agent, I specifically stated I wanted a house without an HOA or deed restrictions and stated my reasons for that.  So we started looking in older neighborhoods and found a house we liked.  Because of the construction date (1978) I didn't think there would be any covenants attached to it.  In fact, the MLS stated there were no covenants.  However, I come to find out today that there are with one that specifically bans antennas on houses.  However, there is no, and there never was, an HOA to enforce any violations.  Talking to the real estate agent, she feels that due to the age of the neighborhood it's very likely that no one even knows these covenants exist judging by some of the other violations I made note of today (such as trailers, RVs and motor homes being parked behind a 5 1/2' fence).  She also told me that these covenants are enforced by the city.  If someone sees, and decides to enforce, a particular violation then they need to take it up with the city.  So, here's my question - since the city is responsible for enforcing such regulations, wouldn't PRB-1 override the city's authority to ban antennas?


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: WA8FOZ on November 12, 2012, 08:31:05 PM
Get a lawyer, specifically a real estate lawyer familiar with your area, before doing ANYTHING. The real estate agent is NOT your advocate - her job is to make a sale. GET A LAWYER before making any commitment. No one else can answer your question reliably. And even if the answer to your question as stated is positive, only a lawyer can advise you as to the feasibility of any action against the city. Your perception that the law is on your side may simply not matter.

Without qualified legal counsel you are a lamb among the wolves. The real estate agent is NOT your advocate. GET A LAWYER before doing anything else.

GL es 73,
Bill WA8FOZ


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: AA4PB on November 13, 2012, 04:55:33 AM
"So, here's my question - since the city is responsible for enforcing such regulations, wouldn't PRB-1 override the city's authority to ban antennas?"

I doubt it since during closing you will sign papers such that you are agreeing to abide by the covenants.

You may very well get away with putting up an antenna against regulations, BUT all it takes is one neighbor to get upset and file a complaint against you and you may be taking the antenna down.

The advise to get a lawyer is a GOOD one - before you go to closing.

You said the covenant bans antennas on houses. I wonder if the wording is such that a tower or other gound-mounted antenna or support structure would be okay. That's a good question for the lawyer.
 


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: K7CB on November 13, 2012, 06:07:22 AM
It actually says no antennas visible from the front of the structure are allowed.

I'm not even sure if the city is the one enforcing (or not enforcing as the case may be) the covenants.  At this point, we don't know who such violations would be reported to.  The addresses for the original architectural review committee are now owned by different people - not surprising considering it's been 34 years.  We're trying to find out if there's still a committee of any kind and, if not, who violations would be reported to.  My real estate agent believes it would be the city.  She stated that I should just put the antennas up and see if anyone complains.  She says since it would probably go to the city, it may end up being more of a hassle than its worth to whomever might complain.  And, that if the city DOES decide to take action, they would then have to start enforcing ALL of the regulations...meaning many of my neighbors would be impacted and that may not sit well with them so they may push for the whole thing to be dropped.  It just surprises me that a home this old STILL has such restrictive covenants.  Of course, the neighborhood was built during the height of the CB craze and maybe that had something to do with it.  Hard to say.  The problem with buying a house even older than that a majority of them have only one car garages and are NOT in the best part of town.  I didn't realize it would be so damn difficult to find a house without deed restrictions of some kind.


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: KG4RUL on November 13, 2012, 06:12:37 AM
Take a a hard look at the document for a sunset clause or a requirement to re-affirm the document periodically.  Our covenants require a majority vote of current landowners, every five years, to remain in force.


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: W0MT on November 13, 2012, 07:03:42 AM
"So, here's my question - since the city is responsible for enforcing such regulations, wouldn't PRB-1 override the city's authority to ban antennas?"

I doubt it since during closing you will sign papers such that you are agreeing to abide by the covenants.

You may very well get away with putting up an antenna against regulations, BUT all it takes is one neighbor to get upset and file a complaint against you and you may be taking the antenna down.

The advise to get a lawyer is a GOOD one - before you go to closing.

You said the covenant bans antennas on houses. I wonder if the wording is such that a tower or other gound-mounted antenna or support structure would be okay. That's a good question for the lawyer.
 

Two points:

1. Perhaps in some jurisdictions the buyer signs something agreeing to abide with the CC&Rs but I have owned homes with covenants in three different states and I have never seen anything like this. The general rule of law is that if you own it, you are bound by it.
2. I totally agree that the buyer needs to consult an attorney.


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: N4NYY on November 13, 2012, 08:10:28 AM
I too would talk to a lawyer. I cannot see cities and gov't enforcing covenants. I was on a condo board in the late 1990's, and we had to enforce everything including illegal parking. The city did not cover anything with the exception of normal stuff like crime, etc.

I also agree that the PRB-1 would then take effect since it is geared at preventing gov't from creating ordinances restricting antennas.


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: KH6AQ on November 13, 2012, 08:44:39 AM
Your real estate agent really isn't very good, is he or she?


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: N2EY on November 13, 2012, 09:02:39 AM
1) Get a qualified Real Estate Attorney before you sign anything. Or sign anything more.

2) Even if there is no HOA, there's a way to enforce deed restrictions or covenants. Remember they "run with the land" and are not the same thing as HOA rules.

The way they can be enforced is through building permits. This is particularly true of towers but may apply to almost anything.

Say you have a property where the deed restrictions say "no structures other than a single family house and a garage". And the town rules say you need a building permit for a tower.

When you apply for the permit, the town may say that they can't issue it because the deed restriction doesn't allow it, because the tower is a "structure". The town folks would say that if they issue the permit, they are becoming a party to violating the deed restriction. (Of course this depends on them knowing the deed restriction exists).

73 de Jim, N2EY 


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: K7CB on November 13, 2012, 11:38:42 AM
Take a a hard look at the document for a sunset clause or a requirement to re-affirm the document periodically.  Our covenants require a majority vote of current landowners, every five years, to remain in force.

The document states the covenants will remain with the properties for a period of 25 years and will automatically be extended/renewed for a period of 10 years unless a majority of property owners elect, in writing, to abandon them.  I just need to find out if that was ever done.


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: K7CB on November 13, 2012, 11:41:06 AM
Your real estate agent really isn't very good, is he or she?
It isn't her that screwed up...it's the seller's real estate agent that failed to check the appropriate boxes.  We didn't find this out until we received the titling after a contract had been signed.  I, erroneously, assumed when the MLS said "N" next to "Covenants" that it was accurate.


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: W2RWJ on November 13, 2012, 03:06:54 PM
It isn't her that screwed up...it's the seller's real estate agent that failed to check the appropriate boxes.  We didn't find this out until we received the titling after a contract had been signed.  I, erroneously, assumed when the MLS said "N" next to "Covenants" that it was accurate.

If you really want the property, get a lawyer.  If not, get a lawyer anyway and ask for the contract to be voided as the the property was materially defective.  (anything that lowers the value of the property is considered a material defect)



Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: AB4ZT on November 13, 2012, 05:20:35 PM
Your real estate agent really isn't very good, is he or she?
It isn't her that screwed up...it's the seller's real estate agent that failed to check the appropriate boxes.  We didn't find this out until we received the titling after a contract had been signed.  I, erroneously, assumed when the MLS said "N" next to "Covenants" that it was accurate.

There is a lesson there for all of us that may be relocating at some point (I will be in the next 5-6 years).  In Florida, those "disclosures" are typically qualified with language to the effect of "information from property owners was relied upon in completing this form and no warranties are implied."  Unless you end up in court (and who wants that?) and the judge/jury decides the agent/sellers should have known and likely knew about any material defects, such disclosures are worthless.

The advice given is good:  Get a lawyer in that town.  Get a lawyer in that town.  Get a lawyer in that town.

73,

Richard,AB4ZT


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: WA8FOZ on November 13, 2012, 06:14:26 PM
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She stated that I should just put the antennas up and see if anyone complains.  She says since it would probably go to the city, it may end up being more of a hassle than its worth to whomever might complain.  And, that if the city DOES decide to take action, they would then have to start enforcing ALL of the regulations...meaning many of my neighbors would be impacted and that may not sit well with them so they may push for the whole thing to be dropped.
NO NO NO NO NO! The real estate agent is NOT an attorney, cannot give legal advice, and is most interested in making a sale. She has already misled you about the nature of the encumbrances upon the property at the time you signed the contract.
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It isn't her that screwed up...it's the seller's real estate agent that failed to check the appropriate boxes.  We didn't find this out until we received the titling after a contract had been signed.  I, erroneously, assumed when the MLS said "N" next to "Covenants" that it was accurate.
The charitable assessment is that EVERYONE screwed up.
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If you really want the property, get a lawyer.  If not, get a lawyer anyway and ask for the contract to be voided as the the property was materially defective.  (anything that lowers the value of the property is considered a material defect)
Yes. Perhaps a lawyer can get you out of this predicament.
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The advice given is good:  Get a lawyer in that town.  Get a lawyer in that town.  Get a lawyer in that town.

YES YES YES!
A real estate lawyer.





Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: W3WN on November 14, 2012, 08:35:30 AM
It actually says no antennas visible from the front of the structure are allowed.

I'm not even sure if the city is the one enforcing (or not enforcing as the case may be) the covenants.  At this point, we don't know who such violations would be reported to.  The addresses for the original architectural review committee are now owned by different people - not surprising considering it's been 34 years.  We're trying to find out if there's still a committee of any kind and, if not, who violations would be reported to.  My real estate agent believes it would be the city.  She stated that I should just put the antennas up and see if anyone complains.  She says since it would probably go to the city, it may end up being more of a hassle than its worth to whomever might complain.  And, that if the city DOES decide to take action, they would then have to start enforcing ALL of the regulations...meaning many of my neighbors would be impacted and that may not sit well with them so they may push for the whole thing to be dropped.  It just surprises me that a home this old STILL has such restrictive covenants.  Of course, the neighborhood was built during the height of the CB craze and maybe that had something to do with it.  Hard to say.  The problem with buying a house even older than that a majority of them have only one car garages and are NOT in the best part of town.  I didn't realize it would be so damn difficult to find a house without deed restrictions of some kind.
Define "visible."  

OK, before I say anything else:  CONSULT WITH A REAL ESTATE ATTORNEY AND/OR THE LOCAL VOLUNTEER COUNSEL.  Your realtor, whether they represent your or the seller, is NOT a lawyer and can NOT provide legal advice.  She may not have intentionally misled you, as the information may not have been known to the sellers (or disclosed by them if they did know).  But you may be waiving your rights, which might come back and bite you in the butt down the road.

Now:  The covenant may be legally unenforceable.  Or it may have expired.  Or it may have some other fatal flaw.  OTOH, it may be perfectly enforceable if someone complains.  That the city does not TODAY enforce these convenants does NOT mean that they have waived the right to do so in the future.  Nor can you presume that since they don't enforce other covenants for other neighbors, they won't enforce yours one day, IF there is a complaint.

It's analogous to the state cop sitting on the interstate, who can only pull over SOME of the speeders, and obviously isn't doing so while he's talking to a driver & writing a ticket.  Just because he didn't or couldn't catch EVERYONE, that doesn't excuse those who do get caught!

Our opinions are irrelevant.  They are not legal advice, as we are not lawyers... or are not lawyers in your future jurisdiction.  It might cost you a few bucks, but this will be cheaper than having to shell out many more shekels in the future if there is a complaint that lands you in court.

TALK TO A LAWYER.


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: K7CB on November 14, 2012, 09:41:11 AM
I found out more.  The builder is the one that told me the city would enforce the covenants.  I have since found out from a lawyer located on the ARRL's website that the city does not enforce any complaints because covenants are, as you know, private agreements - not ordinances.  Since there is no HOA, the only recourse someone would have to force me to take it down would be to take me to court.  In most cases, someone that doesn't like the antenna isn't willing to go through that much hassle...it depends on how passionate they feel about it.  There's also the strong possibility that the current homeowners don't even know these covenants exist due to the length of time that has transpired since the neighborhood was built and the number of violations I see taking place.  I thought about maybe putting up a Cushcraft R8 and let everyone get used to it.  If no one complains for a while, work up to my SteppIR 2 element...I've been told by the lawyer that if someone complains AFTER the antenna has been up for sometime, they have less of a foot to stand on.  But, it also depends on what a jury or judge would say and they aren't always reasonable or logical.


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: AC7DX on November 14, 2012, 03:10:48 PM
Try that in my HOA and you will lose big time :'(


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: WA8FOZ on November 14, 2012, 07:16:44 PM
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I found out more.  The builder is the one that told me the city would enforce the covenants.  I have since found out from a lawyer located on the ARRL's website that the city does not enforce any complaints because covenants are, as you know, private agreements - not ordinances.  Since there is no HOA, the only recourse someone would have to force me to take it down would be to take me to court.  In most cases, someone that doesn't like the antenna isn't willing to go through that much hassle...it depends on how passionate they feel about it.  There's also the strong possibility that the current homeowners don't even know these covenants exist due to the length of time that has transpired since the neighborhood was built and the number of violations I see taking place.  I thought about maybe putting up a Cushcraft R8 and let everyone get used to it.  If no one complains for a while, work up to my SteppIR 2 element...
In doing that, you may be taking a BIG chance....

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've been told by the lawyer that if someone complains AFTER the antenna has been up for sometime, they have less of a foot to stand on.  But, it also depends on what a jury or judge would say and they aren't always reasonable or logical.
Exactly. So how much risk do you wish to tolerate? I would ask the VC to refer you to a competent local real estate attorney, who can give you a reasonable estimate of what your chances are. Then you can make an informed decision, balancing possible risks with whatever other factors are important to you.

Good luck!


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: K7CB on November 14, 2012, 07:58:00 PM
I know of at least two amateurs and a CBer who live in neighborhoods here in Colorado Springs with covenants and no one has done a thing about their antennas.  I see there are three or four amateurs in the neighborhood where this house is located...I'll have to drive by and see if there are any antennas or if a HAM even lives there.


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: NN4RH on November 15, 2012, 04:10:07 AM
Since there is no HOA, the only recourse someone would have to force me to take it down would be to take me to court.  In most cases, someone that doesn't like the antenna isn't willing to go through that much hassle...it depends on how passionate they feel about it.

Typically, a bunch of neighbors and other activists throughout the neighborhood will band together and gang up on you. They could easily outspend you on lawyers.

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There's also the strong possibility that the current homeowners don't even know these covenants exist due to the length of time that has transpired since the neighborhood was built and the number of violations I see taking place.  

The instant someone sees an antenna go up, they'll find the covenants or start nagging the city until the city gives them a copy. Other people's other violations don't matter. Antennas are a special case. For some reason, the sight of an antenna can trigger all sorts of nastiness. You could be living in the worst run-down slum in the country, but if you put up a ham radio antenna, all of a sudden everyone is going to be whining about how it's destroying their "property values".

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I thought about maybe putting up a Cushcraft R8 and let everyone get used to it.  If no one complains for a while, work up to my SteppIR 2 element...

Be freinds with the neighbors in the meantime. It really all depends on your relationships with each neighbor.

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I've been told by the lawyer that if someone complains AFTER the antenna has been up for sometime, they have less of a foot to stand on.

Not really. It depends on whether there is a prohibition against antennas in the existing covenents.

And just hope nobody new moves into the neighborhood. They're often the nastiest ones.


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: KH6AQ on November 15, 2012, 06:39:57 AM
The legal viewpoints has been explored, now for an ethical viewpoint.

The neighbors bought homes knowing there were covenants and they have the expectation that there will be no antennas.

I believe any antenna(s) should be low profile a beam should not be considered.


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: AC4RD on November 15, 2012, 09:17:02 AM
Be freinds with the neighbors in the meantime. It really all depends on your relationships with each neighbor.

I'm with you on that one.  When I get a new neighbor, or become active after being off the air for a while, I tell my neighbors I'll be "playing with my radios," make sure they have my phone number, and tell them to CALL me right away if they experience any interference.  It's been many years since I actually had to take any action for RFI problems.  But I think the neighbors appreciate being in on it.  I'd rather have to put in a LP filter, or avoid pointing an antenna at my neighbor's sun room, and have us all be friends, than let it turn into an argument.  (No HOAs to worry about in my neighborhood, happily enough.)


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: N2EY on November 15, 2012, 12:33:41 PM
1) The neighbors may not know that the covenants exist at all.

2) I have never had anybody complain about my antennas. Of course, they have been relatively low-impact, visually, but certainly not "stealth".

3) How visible will the antennas be from the street? And from neighboring properties?

Your best bet is to consult with a qualified Real Estate attorney - and not make much noise.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: KD8Z on November 26, 2012, 05:23:51 PM
Misrepresentation is a major point of litigation in the courtrooms these days.  Many times a contract can be nullified or renegotiated over just such a statement.  The broker/saleswoman made a big boo boo by telling you that there were no covenants and placed herself and her company in jeopardy.  Get a good lawyer and give them any and all evidence you have on the statement and hopefully you have it in writing.  Don't erase these old emails as they may cost the broker a bundle.  You may opt for a large cash settlement, a new contract, or dissolve the old contract.   The broker/salesman  should never make such statements without being absolutely positive there are no CCr's when in fact they do exist.  Very bad for the broker if you get the right attorney.  This all depends upon how your state handles misrepresentation and each state does it differently.


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: W0MT on November 27, 2012, 08:04:43 AM
Misrepresentation is a major point of litigation in the courtrooms these days.  Many times a contract can be nullified or renegotiated over just such a statement.  The broker/saleswoman made a big boo boo by telling you that there were no covenants and placed herself and her company in jeopardy.  Get a good lawyer and give them any and all evidence you have on the statement and hopefully you have it in writing.  Don't erase these old emails as they may cost the broker a bundle.  You may opt for a large cash settlement, a new contract, or dissolve the old contract.   The broker/salesman  should never make such statements without being absolutely positive there are no CCr's when in fact they do exist.  Very bad for the broker if you get the right attorney.  This all depends upon how your state handles misrepresentation and each state does it differently.
There is a doctrine in the law known as the "Four-Corners Rule."  Simply stated it means that a written contract cannot be modified by verbal agreements and that the contract will be enforced strictly on the text contained with the four corners of the document. Generally verbal comments to a written contract have no effect on the terms. It may be possible to get a real estate agent sanctioned for providing untrue statements but that offers no help to the hapless home buyer.


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: KD8Z on November 27, 2012, 08:37:02 AM
I have used misrepresentation in an RV park sale where the seller verbally told the buyer that the septic system was sufficient for a full park sewage, it was not sufficient as the prior owner had to have the septic system pumped monthly to keep up to even a partial load. Clearly a lie to misrepresent!  This cost both the seller and the broker just over one million dollars US.
The four corners rule was deemed not applicable in the face of such blatant misrepresentation being it verbal or otherwise.


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: K1DA on December 04, 2012, 10:05:44 AM
  What's the zoning for the area, and is there an ordinance regarding building heights?  The city may have no interest in private agreements contained in deeds, but they WILL enforce height limits contained in zoning laws if they conclude they apply  to an "antenna structure".   Keep in mind that realtors are a lot like used car salesman :).   


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: K7CB on December 07, 2012, 04:37:35 AM
I haven't visited this thread for a while and a few things have come to my attention.  First, the covenants state that NO antennas will be mounted in such a way that they can be seen from the front of the house.  I have found at least three homes that are in violation of this.  While the antenna(s) in question are for TV reception and protected by OTARD - the covenants still dictate their placement and these three houses are in violation.  Two have the antenna strapped to their chimney and one (neighbor behind me) has one in a tripod dead center on the roof.  And I found over 15 violations pertaining to RVs and trailers NOT being parked behind a fence.  So, it does appear that either 1) no one is enforcing the covenants or 2) no one may know the covenants even exist.  So, I'm going to start out somewhat low profile - my VHF/UHF groundplane antenna, a 2M beam and my Antron 99 for 10M.  Leave that up for a while and see what happens.


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: K1DA on December 13, 2012, 09:15:57 AM
Those of us with military experience know what happens when you tweak the tiger....sometimes EVERYTHING comes down, NO exceptions. 


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: N2EY on December 13, 2012, 10:34:28 AM
the covenants state that NO antennas will be mounted in such a way that they can be seen from the front of the house.  I have found at least three homes that are in violation of this.  While the antenna(s) in question are for TV reception and protected by OTARD - the covenants still dictate their placement and these three houses are in violation. 

OTARD preempts the covenants if the antennas need to be where they are in order to work. That's the power of OTARD.

However, an OTARD-protected antenna does NOT set a precedent for a non-OTARD-protected antenna.

IANAL, but that's how it works.

Sorry

73 de Jim, N2EY


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: K7CB on December 13, 2012, 11:02:44 AM
These antennas do NOT need to be where they are to work.  The two that are strapped to a chimney would work just fine on the back side of the houses because the back of the house faces south and has a line of sight to Cheyenne Mountain where all our local broadcasts come from.  And the neighbor behind me doesn't need his antenna mounted dead center at the peak of the roof for his antenna to be effective receiving signals from Cheyenne Mtn either.  So, that argument is moot.


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: AC7DX on December 13, 2012, 03:45:37 PM
OTARD

As directed by Congress in Section 207 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, the Federal Communications Commission adopted the Over-the-Air Reception Devices (“OTARD”) rule concerning governmental and nongovernmental restrictions on viewers' ability to receive video programming signals from direct broadcast satellites ("DBS"), broadband radio service providers (formerly multichannel multipoint distribution service or MMDS), and television broadcast stations ("TVBS").

The rule (47 C.F.R. Section 1.4000) has been in effect since October 1996, and it prohibits restrictions that impair the installation, maintenance or use of antennas used to receive video programming.  The rule applies to video antennas including direct-to-home satellite dishes that are less than one meter (39.37") in diameter (or of any size in Alaska), TV antennas, and wireless cable antennas.  The rule prohibits most restrictions that: (1) unreasonably delay or prevent installation, maintenance or use; (2) unreasonably increase the cost of installation, maintenance or use; or (3) preclude reception of an acceptable quality signal.


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: N4UE on December 26, 2012, 09:56:15 AM
K7CB, be VERY careful. I had almost the exact same situation concerning a home I build a couple of years ago.
Facts:
- the realtor took us to this area that already had a ham with a huge tribander and tower
- told us there was NO HOA or any restrictions (correct)
- I applied for and received permission from the County Building Dept for my 2 towers.
- Building Dept stated in writing, ham towers were EXEMPT from ANY restrictions
- neighbors got together, pooled their money and sued us
- they were wealthy and knew they could NOT win but just wanted us out
- case was dismissed by the Judge in our favor

We had to spend thousands to hire a lawyer to defend ourselves.
Get this... One assh-le neighbor was 'against' us even though I bought his TV tower and put it up at my house!!! WTF???

However, between the death threats, and being driven off the road, my ex couldn't take it. She couldn't even go outside to work on her plants without someone driving by and swearing.
Now, I just LOVE a fight, but she was 'normal' and moved. Had to sell the house, my DREAM shop, DREAM shack, etc.

The bottom line is:
ANYONE can sue ANYONE for ANYTHING. Yeah, you might win, but at what cost????

ron
N4UE
(now living with NO neighbors and 3 towers)


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: KD8Z on December 26, 2012, 11:09:15 AM
The USA is just not the "good old USA" anymore.  Crazies kill children, the Washington Elite cannot even agree upon a budget and we have the highest national debt ever.  Now with the ham story above I am so disheartened.  Where have we gone, when even an innocuous ham gets attacked over a hobby.  I had a neighbor like the ones above.  He was an old guy whom had been a CB'er in the 60's-70's said he knew all about "radio" as he called it and he hated everything I did.  He once told me that he knew I was running illegal power.  Must have been my 160 watt Mirage amp for 2 meter which was my only amp at the time. 
People in the USA have gone around the bend!  Someone please reinforce my belief in the USA!


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: W9FIB on December 28, 2012, 04:10:49 AM
People who knowingly ignore the regulations are just as guilty as those who make the problems to begin with.

It is simple, if it says no....then it is no!

Don't like it, don't buy it.

And if you buy it anyway, and break the regulations, don't whine when you get the notice in the mail.

It is a simple choice.

Anyone who says "I will just do it anyway" is the reason the CC&Rs are getting worded tougher, and less likely to be struck down by any government agency or court.


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: AC7DX on January 01, 2013, 03:58:33 PM
They are talking about you guys....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7kirdtdI1c&feature=related


Title: RE: Covenants Enforced By The City
Post by: K7CB on January 07, 2013, 04:00:34 PM
Not really.  That video is from 2010.