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Title: HT thru airport security
Post by: N4NYY on November 28, 2012, 05:52:07 PM
If I take this with me, will I have trouble at security? Should I bring my license?


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: KG4RUL on November 28, 2012, 05:59:43 PM
Yes, have your license.  Be prepared to turn it on to demonstrate that it is what it seems to be.  If you have lithium ion batteries, they may not allow it aboard the aircraft at all.  If you are told that you cannot fly with it, do not argue - you may end up with out a radio in the end.  And, DO NOT, under any circumstances, turn it on once you are on the aircraft.


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: NN4RH on November 28, 2012, 06:05:44 PM
Never had a problem with mine. Never even had a security screener take a look at it. I try to remember to take it out of my bag and put it in one of the bins, but it has never mattered either way. Don't worry about it.


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: WB8VLC on November 28, 2012, 06:27:52 PM
I have never been asked to turn on any radios or GPS units.

I usually take 1 or 2 XTS5000' s an MT1000LB and an ICOM T7H routinely between Phoenix and Portland, Phoenix and Minneapolis and Phoenix and Detroit and I have never been asked to turn any of them on.

I have never had a problem with the batteries either and while waiting for others to board, while still on the ground, I have had my radio on listening mode using a bluetooth headset and never had a problem with the flight crew.

 Once the seat belt sign is on and were leaving the gate I turn everything off and put it away in my underseat bag until we land.

 I always have a copy of my license, a QST and all operating manuals in plain sight with my radios and I keep everything in my carry on bag.

When going through security I pull all radios and chargers out and place them into a bin for closer inspection.

This is my preference to carry all in my carry on bag because Phoenix is notorious for having radio and cell phone chargers stolen from checked baggage so I carry my radios and chargers in my carry on bag.

 In 10 years of flying I have only had one TSA screener comment and it was in in Portland Oregon and he said nice radios.


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: KE4DRN on November 28, 2012, 07:39:30 PM
hi,

I have the NOAA weather frequencies in my 2m
so if they want to see the radio working easy to do
and they can't transmit if they push the TX button.

I only fly on the east coast and they ask me to turn
it on when I am at Newark Liberty airport.

162.400, 162.425, 162.450, 162.475,
162.500, 162.525 and 162.550

73 james


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: N4NYY on November 28, 2012, 07:53:46 PM
hi,

I have the NOAA weather frequencies in my 2m
so if they want to see the radio working easy to do
and they can't transmit if they push the TX button.

I only fly on the east coast and they ask me to turn
it on when I am at Newark Liberty airport.

162.400, 162.425, 162.450, 162.475,
162.500, 162.525 and 162.550

73 james

Thanks. Will do.


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: WB6BYU on November 28, 2012, 09:15:54 PM
I carry my battery pack in a separate plastic zip lock bag beside the radio.  That way it is
available if I need to turn it on (though I've never been asked) but I don't have to worry
about it getting switched on by accident.


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: KB5ZSM on November 29, 2012, 12:20:47 AM
One time in Dallas/Ft. Worth I was randomly selected for a more thorough search where they pull you out of the line and in to a special search station and really go through your carry-on luggage. In the mean time they found out that our plane wouldn't be able to fly do to brake problems. This brought everything to a halt, including my screening. I was stuck at the screening station with about 4 of the TSA agents and all of my stuff spread out on a table. Well one of the agents started asking me about the radio and what it was for and that's when I was able to give a good introduction to the world of ham radio. Before it was over all four of them became involve and started asking questions about ham radio. We actually had a lot of fun and I think they were impressed. They never did finish screening me and that hour and a half flew by vary fast.


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: KA4POL on November 29, 2012, 01:09:32 AM
Li-Ion batteries actually can be a problem. I always make sure they can not accidentally be shorted, i.e. wrap them and put them in a little plastic bag. You also might tape the open contacts. Sometimes they might ask you about that rather than the radio itself.


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: WD8KNI on November 29, 2012, 03:46:18 AM
Batteries are more of a problem when not in the radio.. keep them installed.. I have seen spare laptop batteries stopped, however none ever when installed.. shorting and charging are the problems.. Fred


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: KA4POL on November 29, 2012, 04:58:26 AM
Many HTs do have outside charging terminals of the battery which could become shorted even though the battery is installed. I'm always extra careful to keep conducting material away from these terminals.


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: N4NYY on November 29, 2012, 05:10:26 AM
FT-60. No Li-ion


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: AD4U on November 29, 2012, 06:04:24 AM
As a pilot I have to ask why would you want to carry it on the aircraft?  You can't use it while the aircraft is in flight.  Put it in your checked luggage.

Dick  AD4U


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: WB6BYU on November 29, 2012, 08:44:03 AM
I often try to fly without any checked baggage if possible, so everything goes in carry-on.

That means I can't take my Leatherman tool because it has a knife blade, but it is faster
and there is less chance of things getting lost.  (Though my carry-on bags managed to
get off the plane in the wrong state once...)

I often fly internationally with 2m yagi and Moxon antennas in my carry-on luggage.
I've only been questioned once, when the boom of a HB9CV wouldn't fit inside and
was instead strapped across the top of my bag.  But that officer was more concerned
why I was only staying 2 days in the country, as there was much to see and I really
should plan to spend longer.


What attracted much more attention than my radio equipment was the 5 pound block
of Tillamook Sharp Cheddar cheese:  that gets my bag opened for manual inspection
every time.


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: WB8VLC on November 29, 2012, 11:11:43 AM
I have placed phone, ipad and radio chargers in my checked baggage in the past and had them mysterious leave my bags when flying from Phoenix Sky Harbor airport so never again for me.

 I forgot to mention that also I set my VHF and dual band radios to a weather channel also just in case someone turns one on.

 And last I also forgot to mention about the plastic bag for spare batteries and radios, I ave been doing this lately and it does speed up the Bin checks by TSA as opposed to having things loose.


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: N4NYY on November 29, 2012, 12:46:29 PM
As a pilot I have to ask why would you want to carry it on the aircraft?  You can't use it while the aircraft is in flight.  Put it in your checked luggage.

Dick  AD4U

Because they can walk with it if they want to during a check, and there is not a damn thing I can do.


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: W4RS on November 29, 2012, 10:44:54 PM
since aircraft crew bags are not checked, easy for you to say. i have had laptop stolen in newark, a ht in detroit etc. sorry guy, but i am also a pilot, its the people in the tsa and baggage that make it necessary to carry it with you.


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: WB4SPT on November 30, 2012, 05:44:25 PM
I carried about 6 to 8 HT's thru PBI onetime on business, all with Li-Ion batts attached.  TSA wondered for a time with them, called a supervisor, wiped a couple down and sniffed, but I got to carry them thru OK.  There is no "law" against HT on a plane.  I try to fly without checking bags.  I've had only one item ever confiscated, and it was a box cutter, pre 911, go figure.


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: AD4U on December 02, 2012, 06:20:02 AM
Yep TSA is the "Problem".  There is no law that says you cannot carry a walkie talkie on a commercial aircraft.  I have done it as a passeger and as a pilot.  I am not even sure of there is a "law" that states that you cannot transmit on a commercial aircraft.  However it is apparently an airline policy that you cannot.

Many private, commercial, and military pilots are HAMs.  Many carry HT's while piloting aircraft.  I do when flying the little Cessna.  The "un-official" aircraft to aircraft simplex frequencies are 146.550 and 146.580.  It is interesting how far 5 watts goes when both aircraft are at 38,000 feet.  Been there. Done that.

Dick  AD4U


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: K2YO on December 02, 2012, 03:04:38 PM
There is actually a law against carrying an HT in our checked luggage if it has LI batteries. If they ask why you are carrying on board, tell them about the LI batteries and the requirement to carry them on board rather than checking.

I've flown with an HT 10 or 12 times and I've never had them ask about it.

Bernie


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: K1OC on December 02, 2012, 05:39:49 PM

I travel regularly with my Icom T7H, domestically and internationally.  I leave it in my carry-on as it goes through the x-ray machine and no one has ever asked about it.  My iPad gets more attention than the HT.  I do carry my license in my wallet, and the FCC Public Notice on operating in CEPT countries in the bag with the radio when travelling to Europe, just in case, but I have never had to explain what it is or why I am carrying it.  I am actually a little surprised by that.

73 de Tony K1OC


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: K4JJL on December 04, 2012, 08:36:06 AM
As a pilot I have to ask why would you want to carry it on the aircraft?  You can't use it while the aircraft is in flight.  Put it in your checked luggage.

Dick  AD4U

Agents with sticky fingers is one reason.  Also, most punctual people don't go straight ticketing counter to immediately board the plane. Sitting in the terminal with nothing better to do can be remedied by having a handy scratchy with you.


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: W8ATA on December 04, 2012, 08:01:00 PM
Some time ago a veteran TSA  agent who was training a newbie pulled my HT from my carry-on and asked me, "What's this?" The newbie jumped in with, "That's a Yeasu FT-60 dual band HT," The newbie was a ham. Oh, the friendly skys. :-) On to the plane it went.

73,
Russ


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: G3RZP on December 05, 2012, 11:29:43 AM
Airports are funny. Going to Dayton the other year, I get to US immigration. The immigration guy sees I'm on vacation and asks how long I'm going to be there. When told 5 days, he asks why because it's not long for a US vacation. So I explain to him that I'm going to the big ham radio event at Dayton.

'Are you a ham?'

'Yes'

'What's your callsign?'

'G3RZP'

Starts stamping passport, stops and then asks 'Didn't you have an article in QEX the other month?'

'Yes'

'Thought so. Good article. 73'

Finishes stamping documents.....

I was too startled to ask his call.


Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: KCJ9091 on December 05, 2012, 11:48:45 AM
As a pilot I have to ask why would you want to carry it on the aircraft?  You can't use it while the aircraft is in flight.  Put it in your checked luggage.

Dick  AD4U

1.  I don't check a bag.  If I cannot carry it I don't need it.
2.  I want my property to arrive in the condition in which it left.  So unless you can guarantee TSA won't steal it and your airlines baggage gorillas won't throw, crush, run over, drop, steal, or otherwise mistreat my bag I'll keep it with me.
3.  I often use it right after deplaning to coordinate with my pickup, and would not be able to do so while sitting for 4 hours in baggage claim waiting for your airline to get my bag there like the last time I checked a bag. 



Title: RE: HT thru airport security
Post by: N4NYY on December 05, 2012, 06:09:29 PM
I went thru and put it in the bin with my cell phone. Went thru Xray untouched. They did not say a peep.

But on my checked bagged, they did not rezip my bag correctly, and lost my eyeglasses! Doh !