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Title: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: N4MJG on January 04, 2013, 05:53:11 PM
What is your Favorite keys and why do you like them ? ,how much time will you spend on your keys when you get on the radio day or night ?


73
Jackie
N4MJG
Been Hamming since 2001


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: N5XM on January 04, 2013, 09:20:21 PM
I love the Kent single lever.  It is rock solid on the desk, and I love the low profie,  If you take the time and effort to get it locked in to where you want it, it stays there. It is simpicity and elegance personified.  I'm sure I would love a Bengali Mono, but the Kent is real keeper for me.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: K3ZL on January 05, 2013, 07:46:08 PM
A 1960s era Coffin Key. Made in Japan and sold under brand names Skilman, Hi Mound and Lafayette. Maybe other names as well. If you haven't seen one, it is built inside a black plastic case, with a hard plastic dust cover...looks like a coffin. Google it for pics.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: K7MH on January 05, 2013, 10:58:04 PM
Of the six I have, My Autronics single lever and my Hamco Scotia are my two favorites.

I'd love to have an old Bunnell double speed key but they are PRICEY when they show up.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: AB8ZX on January 08, 2013, 07:54:25 AM
I have a bunch of keys on the top shelf, I like to change them out from time to time, but my favorites are two mid 50's Virbroplex bugs, a Japanese WW2 straight key and an English WW2 Flameproof straight key.

the bugs come out for the pileups and contests and the straight keys are for chewing the rag or making contacts with slower ops.

each key has such a different feel and vibe.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: N9AOP on January 08, 2013, 08:05:08 AM
Begali-The threads on the adjustment screws are so fine that once set, it stays that way.  This keyer is a pleasure to use at over 25wpm.  For slower speeds i.e. 20 and under I like the Vibroplex Iambic set to wider spacing.  The Vibroplex has course screw threads but any shifting at slow speeds is not usually a problem.
Art, N9AOP


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: KE6EE on January 08, 2013, 11:16:11 AM
I have a bunch of keys on the top shelf, I like to change them out from time to time, but my favorites are two mid 50's Virbroplex bugs, a Japanese WW2 straight key and an English WW2 Flameproof straight key.

the bugs come out for the pileups and contests and the straight keys are for chewing the rag or making contacts with slower ops.

each key has such a different feel and vibe.

Yes! I've got over a dozen bugs, straight keys and paddles. I love 'em all and use them all. It's a kind of serial monogamy, with a nice variety of pleasures.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: KB2HSH on January 08, 2013, 02:58:31 PM
At one time I had a 1997vintage Vibroplex Original Presentation...and I still have my grandfather's 1965 vintage O.P. bug.  Not really a bug person...I sold the 1997, and the 1965 sits on a shelf.

That being said, I recently won TWO of my favorites on eBay...a Ten-Tec KR5 keyer, as well as a Heathkit Micromatic SA-5010 keyer.  Can't wait to use the Heathkit in a CW contest!

Of course, nothing will ever compare to my old Nye Viking Speed-X straight key.

John KB2HSH


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: N9KX on January 08, 2013, 04:59:13 PM
Brown Brothers ST-A is the best straight key I have found.  I used to use a Nye Viking Master Key.  disclaimer: I have never been able to afford the *very* expensive straight keys so have no idea what they are like...

http://www.qsl.net/n/n6tt/brown.html (http://www.qsl.net/n/n6tt/brown.html)

I also have a Brown Bros. paddle, a BTL, but I have very little experience using a paddle.  It is there for that day when I decide to rest my wrist  :)  It is very easy on the eyes :)


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: W1JKA on January 09, 2013, 04:31:03 AM
    My Great Grand dad's Signal Electric (over 100 yrs. old) and my WW2 Navy Flameproof straight keys.Both get equal time day/night.I am a relatively slow cw qrp dx'er so have no desire for any other type of key or keyer.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: PA0BLAH on January 09, 2013, 05:28:56 AM
There is a Dutch proverb that says: "Show me your bookcase and I tell you what you are."

I suppose we can create a CW equivalent:

"Show me your keys and paddles and I tell you what you are"

Bob


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: KE6EE on January 09, 2013, 08:20:04 AM

"Show me your keys and paddles and I tell you what you are"

Bob

Or what you hope to become.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: ZENKI on January 10, 2013, 10:56:55 PM
When you proficient at sending, any key does the job. I have 20 or more paddles that i rotate on, and  really there is not one that jumps out and says Jesus would have used that paddle!

You will find that as your skill improves your  nerves  adjusts to the  imperfections of the paddle used at the time. The simplest thing to do if the paddle is crap is to slow down to the point where you brain can cope
with the imperfection of the paddle.

I can have just as much fun on the  cootie key as the  best Begali in my collection. Everyone making keys today are making the very best keys. Its just down to the snobbery of one brand over the other.
You will find that many of best CW operator only have one Vibroplexer  because they worry about their skill  and get on the air. I have not heard not heard Begali code, or  N3ZN code on the air, code is code if sent with  2 rusty nails.

But since you asked LOL,  The Key that i send  the best with is a very old HiMound MK701. I dont know what it is about this paddle. Whenever I bring it out it does not matter if I am drunk or sober I can send perfect high speed CW with it. I cant do that on my Begalis. The precision of the begalis I think requires  concentration since its so precise. The himound slopbucket MK701 just does it for me.  In most peoples eyes it would be a crap key, so there you go! This is one of the very first MK701's   when they first made them. I picked it up in Akihabara decades ago. I think the MK701 is my lucky key. If you looked at it you would say hey dude clean the key up, it looks like it got pulled from the cesspit!



What is your Favorite keys and why do you like them ? ,how much time will you spend on your keys when you get on the radio day or night ?


73
Jackie
N4MJG
Been Hamming since 2001



Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: K7NSW on January 12, 2013, 06:37:10 PM
Been on CW since 1961.  Never really bought a "good key".  I liked my Navy flame proof SK with black crackle paint - bought it new in 1961 still in the sealed manufacturer's box for either fifty cents or  buck fifty.  No more than that.  Somewhere along the line I came up with a Bunnell WWII version of the J-38 attached to a round base.  Enjoyed that.  Then I came into three mint condition Nye-Viking iambic keys.  Used them for many years until recently.  Read all the web pages, read all the eham comments, looked at the prices and where they are made.  Yesterday I received the first serious key I ever bought.  Have used one on and off over the years on Field Day, etc - always someone else's key.  I bought a Bencher BY-1.  I LOVE IT.  Fits me perfectly right out of the box.  Obviously high quality materials and workmanship.  Made in USA as is all of my Ten-Tec gear.  That's a big plus with me.  I like the new guys at Vibroplex - might buy one of theirs just to support them.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: KD4AL on January 15, 2013, 06:33:05 PM
I have two favorite keys, both of similar vinage. One is a WWII vintage J-38.  I've tried several J-38 keys and all are fantastic.  They have a marvelous feel with a light touch and  a smart snap to them. I prefer to feel the code in my fingers, not just in my ear.  My Elmer showed me my first J-38 and it remains my favorite.  I also have a Junker straight key (uncerttain age), with similar action. 

I've tried many straight keys of many ages. These two are definately tops.

KD4AL


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: VE1GA on January 15, 2013, 08:39:27 PM
To really enjoy CW, one needs a good key otherwise it will never be fun. After pounding brass for 49 years, using and trying many hand keys, its no contest for this operator.  The Junker DBGM (as well as the DRP) beats them all. But, you'll never know this unless you've experienced one yourself.  You can view the Junker here:

< http://www.mtechnologies.com/junker/ >

Leigh, VE1GA






Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: KB2FCV on January 16, 2013, 08:32:00 AM
Of the keys I have, the three I really like are:
1. Begali Signature - These paddles are simply a joy to send with. They have a great feel to them. Real eye candy also.
2. Vibroplex Deluxe bug - I've had mine for 20+ years and it's an old favorite. I learned how to use one of these when I first got into the hobby back in the late 80's as a kid.
3. My new favorite hand key, the Bencher RJ-1. I needed a better key and after trying many out, this one won out. My wrist does not get fatigued really at all on this as opposed to others I've used.

As a runner up, I'll say my Bencher BY-1's. I've had these also 20+ years and never a complaint about them.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: KC0THP on January 19, 2013, 04:50:26 PM
  I only have one key.  It's a Nye Viking Speed-X straight key.  I bought it on the recommendation of a friend and I really like it.  I really haven't tried too many other keys though.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: WY4J on January 24, 2013, 03:53:18 PM
Own many but my favorite is anything made by Tony N3ZN. This guy is a master.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: KD8IIC on January 25, 2013, 03:46:34 AM
Used my J-38 for the first time on the air yesterday and love how it works and feels...73 n8aft


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: ZENKI on January 25, 2013, 04:29:41 AM
My best straight key is the HiMound  HK702. The one with the big white marble base. This Key is just as good as the  Amplidan and Marconi Straight keys.
The himound is as smooth as butter. The best feature about it is when you adjust  the settings stay put even in temperature extremes. I like very close spacing  on my straight keys which I like for
high speed  straight keying. Many keys if you set the contact spacing too close and it heats up a bit  the contact expand and start keying the radios. I always had to unplug other straight keys for this reason.
Since I never turn my radios off, I always had this problem until I got the Himound.



Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: N4OI on January 25, 2013, 04:42:25 AM
I have been a ham for ten years now and have: (1) the common Bencher BY-1, (2) a Palm Mini-Paddle, which is surprisingly nice to use for a small, flexy device, (3) a Begali Signature paddle with gold contacts, and (4) a Begali Spark straight key. 

Of these, the Begali Signature is the most incredible.  I set the spacing to be nearly undetectable and it just stays there... I can send for hours without even thinking about it. 

I have been forcing myself to work more straight key using the Spark, but I have no other straight keys to compare -- so your mileage may vary.  I do find that I prefer a very close spacing on the Spark and a very light touch.  I suspect some other keys may not achieve or hold that type of setting.  Conspicuously absent in my collection is a bug.  That gap will soon be filled with an old Vibroplex that is on its way...  I am a little concerned my CW worlds will collide when I start training my bug fist!

So back to answering the question: Begali Signature! 

73 ES GOD BLESS U ES URS DE KEN N4OI  ;D


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: ZENKI on January 25, 2013, 04:48:54 AM
Its like shoes, you need to try them on! Same goes for keys, feel is a personal thing.

One of the best CW operators that I know has been using 2 X J38s strapped as a paddle, this ham is HS club member and he has used the same pair of J38's for at least  40 years. No Begali or Vibroplexers in sight!

I have been a ham for ten years now and have: (1) the common Bencher BY-1, (2) a Palm Mini-Paddle, which is surprisingly nice to use for a small, flexy device, (3) a Begali Signature paddle with gold contacts, and (4) a Begali Spark straight key. 

Of these, the Begali Signature is the most incredible.  I set the spacing to be nearly undetectable and it just stays there... I can send for hours without even thinking about it. 

I have been forcing myself to work more straight key using the Spark, but I have no other straight keys to compare -- so your mileage may vary.  I do find that I prefer a very close spacing on the Spark and a very light touch.  I suspect some other keys may not achieve or hold that type of setting.  Conspicuously absent in my collection is a bug.  That gap will soon be filled with an old Vibroplex that is on its way...  I am a little concerned my CW worlds will collide when I start training my bug fist!

So back to answering the question: Begali Signature! 

73 ES GOD BLESS U ES URS DE KEN N4OI  ;D


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: K3GC on January 25, 2013, 06:41:28 PM
For me it's the Begali pearl iambic and for straight key the Begali Blade.
Pure perfection, both of them.
Gene JK3GC


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: K8AG on January 31, 2013, 01:56:44 PM
Begali Simplex.  Reliable contacts every time.  Adjust as you like.  Inexpensive.

73, JP, K8AG


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: KB2HSH on January 31, 2013, 02:48:47 PM
Well, after last weekend's hamfest, I found a decent 1966 Heathkit HD-10.  It's big, it's old, it's heavy, and it sends pretty well.  It's like driving a Model T Ford.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: 2E0OZI on February 02, 2013, 12:51:13 AM
I have only ever used one - my Czech Army R31 key. Its a bit weird looking, as tough as a brick dunny, and the gubbins are hidden away. No doubt next hamfest I'll be going to I'll be searching out any bargains.  ;D


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: K3NPO on February 02, 2013, 05:30:21 PM
I'm still reading heavily as I learn to copy before I buy my first key. I noticed the Vizkey's have a lot of excellent ratings on eham as well. So many choices, it's overwhelming!


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: N8NSN on February 03, 2013, 01:22:10 AM
Favorite key getting most use here is 1941 Signal Corps / Vibroplex J-36, Casually set at 27 WPM
* for slower QSOs, a 1946 Vibroplex Blue Racer: home brew swing weight 12<20 WPM
* for faster QSOs, a 1953 Vibroplex Original : kept at about 36 WPM

I agree with what some say on "clunkers"... Adjusting any key to a speed comfortable with its imperfections is the ...well, key - to proficiency at any speed.

Adjustments to a bug key are quite personal. I would be a bit upset if anyone changed anything on any of my keys, but especially the bugs... They're "just right"!


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: W7AIT on February 04, 2013, 02:41:39 PM
My best key:  Scheunemann Morsetasten Einhebel.  Solid brass.  Doesn't move on the table and built to last 300 years.  Zero maintenance or adjustment after 3 years of heavy use.
 
Second:  Vibroplex paddle built in 1973 at the New York factory.  Darn good.  But "tinny feel" after using the Einhebel.  The "dot" and "dash" posts wear and the threads eventually wore requiring more adjustment.

Third:  Bencher straight key.  Simple, well built, no maintenance.

Fourth:  My Novice Speed-x 310-003.  Simple but requires maintenance.

Last:  J-38.  Won't stay adjusted, always fiddling with it. 

I operate about 80% CW so I use my keys/ paddles a lot.

It helps to fasten down a light key (Speed-x) screwed to the operating table, so it doesn't move.  The Einhebel is so heavy (almost 5 pounds) that it won't move.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: K0CBA on February 08, 2013, 06:53:24 PM
In my opinion it would be any Brown Bros.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: N2UGB on February 10, 2013, 09:52:06 PM
My favorite straight key is a Begali Camelback. Weighs a ton and never moves.  Smooth as silk.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: K2TTM on February 11, 2013, 08:12:58 AM
I started out in the early 70's using a simple J-38, then quickly moved to a Vibroplex Bug. It was fun for a while but then I moved up to a stand alone keyer & never looked back after I picked up a Bencher ST-1 single lever paddle.

After being QRT for a very long time I finally got back on the air in Oct 2012 & dug out the Bencher.  After a month or so I decided I "needed" something new & got myself a single lever P-6 from K8RA.  It was very nicely machined & heavy but it was also noisy in use.  After about 2 months I decided I "needed" something new, and quiet.

I finally decided on a gold plated Begali Simplex Mono single lever paddle & I could not be happier.

It's a beautiful piece of work, it stays put, the adjustments are very fine and, so far, have stayed where I put them.

Sending with it is such a pleasure that my speed has gone up to just over 30 wpm and I never seem to get tired using it.

And did I mention that it's quiet? Very quiet.  No more clackity clackity when I'm on the air.

By far the best single lever paddle I've ever had the pleasure to use. This is the one I'll be keeping.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: ON6KE on February 11, 2013, 10:28:22 AM

CW Touch Keyer, everything else (too) expensive, needs cleaning, requires (periodical) adjusting, status symbol (yeah..), fragile, you name it.

This is what you need : http://www.cwtouchkeyer.com , forget the rest,

Gust ON6KE


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: KC9TNH on February 12, 2013, 07:14:36 PM
A fully original, full o' brass, never bunged up, J-37. Prefer them over J-38's. Might be just me and the leaf spring on this particular J-37 is like stuff for mama bear, "just right."
 :)


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: W6SDW on February 20, 2013, 11:03:23 PM
Hmmmm...  For dual lever paddle key, WBL V22, Bengalli Graciella or the Schuur Mini-Wabbler are always on the bench. I enjoy single lever paddles as well, prefer the old Eddystone, Autronic, Jones keys for their weight, stability on the operating bench. Bugs... Hands down winner is my Breedlove Codetrol. (Pretty rare.) Amazing device - can fire off a string of dits for over 5 seconds. Vibroplex Blue Racer (50's vintage) gets pulled off the shelf for time to time as well. Winner in the Straight Key department? - Jones, Kent, SKCC pump keys are in the normal rotation for SKN. For field outtings, a J-38 is hard to beat - everyone can "adjust" it to their likings.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: W1JKA on February 21, 2013, 08:06:20 AM
Best CW key for the hearing impaired is C# 


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: W8NIC on February 22, 2013, 01:03:06 PM
i've tried a lot of iambic keys with the exception of the high priced ones and i like the kent  twin paddles the best


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: KE7WAV on February 22, 2013, 05:17:04 PM
My favorite is a simple cootie or sideswiper.  It is a fun a simple way to produce the code manually with reduced risk of C. T.  Whatever key you use I am always eager to to chew the rag and meet new CW ops.
KE7WAV


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: N4OI on February 23, 2013, 06:47:22 AM
Best CW key for the hearing impaired is C# 

Interesting... 550 Hz is right where I ended up!

73 ES GOD BLESS U ES URS DE KEN N4OI  ;D


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: NO2A on February 23, 2013, 09:24:32 PM
I like my Nye Viking Master key. Very quiet,comfy. I like the way those Bencher straight keys look. Never tried one,maybe someday.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: K7KEY on March 18, 2013, 10:14:50 AM
I haven't used a straight key in about 45 years, since I was first incensed in high school. I've been in and out of the hobby twice since then, having just recently gotten back on the air after almost 20 years away. I don't think I could use a straight key now worth a darn. In my last foray into ham radio I used a Bencher paddle. I thought that was great. 

Now my favorite is a recently acquired Begali Pearl paddle, which I absolutely love, and can recommend highly.  I just posted my review of that paddle on this site a few days ago.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: IK0YGJ on March 18, 2013, 02:27:52 PM
 ... not an easy question ...
My everyday key is a paddle, however when I find a slower station (around 15-18 WPM) I go for the straight key. But then, if I listen a bug I cannot resist and plug a bug myself. However, some very rare stations use the sideswiper and ... I go with it.
I would say that my key usage is 70% time paddle, 20% bug. 5% straight, 5% sideswiper.

More or less.
73 Carlo IK0YGJ

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Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: W9TM on March 26, 2013, 01:24:24 AM
I have about a dozen paddles I've picked up over the years.  My favorite is the W8FYO single lever paddle with an Accukeyer.  I don't do iambic and find dual lever paddles clumsy for conventional, non-iambic use. 

It's interesting that most of the paddles I see advertised these days are dual lever yet most of the guys I talk to are not doing iambic keying.  What's with that?


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: W6UV on March 27, 2013, 03:41:41 PM
My favorite is the Kent twin paddle. And yes, I do iambic.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: PA1ZP on March 30, 2013, 10:13:44 AM
Hi All

My favourite key is my straight key wich I inhareted from SK PZ1AP.
But I only use them very rarely.
But this very warn out cheap straight and old unknown manufactorer key is always in line of sight in the shack, just to remember my dear friend Arnold
 
My favourite key in use are my homebrew Iambic paddles.
And I never use them Iambic always operate them in the single lever way.
Second is my Vibroplex 100th ann.
Third is my Hungarian single lever key.
It is build very good and finished even better with perfect aligned contacts etc.

I think this single lever key may soon replace my homebrew paddles as my first key in use.
But still the Vibroplex is always in parallel with the El-bug and I can switch from one to another without touching one button.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: K7RNO on March 31, 2013, 07:25:32 PM
Actually, I don't even have a key right now, but one is in the mail.
I also only know one key, but I know that one well—I used it exclusively and intensively during my four years with the German Navy, back in the late '60s/early '70s.

So, is anybody surprised that I want that same key again? It is the Junker MT in Navy gray. Don't listen to me, because, as I said, I don't know any others. But do listen to hams that have compared and know. And then, if you want one too, check out ebay.de and look for the Junker Morsetaste. That's where I found mine. Just make sure the seller will ship to your location (many won't care to ship outside of Germany).



Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: KF7DS on April 01, 2013, 09:45:59 PM
Vizbug...makes it effortless...makes my vibroplex feel clunky at best

Don KF7DS


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: K7RNO on April 21, 2013, 08:45:16 PM
So now that I received my Junker Morsetaste, I can add that this thing is so über engineered that each click of the gap adjusting thumb wheel in-/decreases the gap by precisely 0.01mm.

'nuff said.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: N3QE on April 22, 2013, 08:29:54 AM
It is the Junker MT in Navy gray.

That's very interesting. My favorite recently-acquired straight key is the "Chinese PLA/D117-K4" key which seems to have many things in common with the Junker MT. (aka "D.G.B.M."?) Will have to try out a Junker MT now, I suspect I will like it too!

I am impressed you got the umlaut over the u in uber :-)

Tim.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: K7RNO on April 22, 2013, 10:55:16 AM
QE,
Yes, the Junker MT (Morsetaste) can be the DBGM (Deutsches Bundes Gebrauchsmuster) version, which just indicates it is the post-war model and a protected design, similar to a patent. The older pre-war version showed DRP (Deutsches Reichspatent).

About the Ü Umlaut—I am a professional translator into German, so I better know how to get that :-)

PS: Once you have a Junker MT side-by-side to your PLA/D117-K4, you may want to revise your comparison ;)
But then, most straight keys have many things in common :-D


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: F5FRM on April 22, 2013, 01:38:04 PM
My 1934's Original Vibroplex. I am very proud of it !

It is my favorite because it sounds personnal and because I needed time to be enough confortable with it. And it is a historic key. You recognize a bugkey on the air, and when it is very readable, it's even better ! We can just be proud of using it.


Title: RE: Your Favorite morse code keys !
Post by: W4TRJ on April 23, 2013, 01:32:28 PM
Vizkey Camelback. Why? Made by a live man you can call on the phone, and well made at that. Gorgeous. Heavy, sits well on desk, doesn't move. Great action. Fine adjusting screws that will hold where you set them. A lifetime instrument.