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Title: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: W1MSG on February 02, 2013, 08:00:26 AM
Well New Year and new Embellishers to expose, here is my first one for 2013.

N6JSX, Dale Kubichek came up on my radar early in the year when I looked him up on QRZ. Here is what he claims on his QRZ Page.

“US Navy, 1973-1981, Fire Control Technician Petty Office 1st Class. USS Jouett CG-29 Work Center Supervisor, Vietnam combat veteran, Advanced Electronics Instructor, Company Commander & Armed Forces Police/NIS agent honorably discharged as a frocked-Chief Petty Officer FTGC. USNR 1982-1984… HAM licensed expired.”

He also has two Military Ribbons on his QSL Graphic, one is the USN Vietnam Service Ribbon, and the other is the Republic of Vietnam (RVN) Wound Medal Ribbon, which would indicate being wounded in action. No Purple Heart ??

Ok now what first caught my eye was the Vietnam Combat Veteran claim. He joined the Navy in 1973 and all Combat Operations were pretty much over by March of 1973. It would be tough to get through Boot Camp and then A School and be deployed to Combat in Vietnam when the Combat Operations were officially over. So I questioned him on it in a forum post, and shortly after that the post was deleted. His cousin chimed in with the following.

“Dale is a cousin - I was in high school when he was in the Navy.   Family was initially told he was MIA presumed dead.  He turned up pretty banged up and perforated.  Family was told a river boat incident.  Dale says he was never formally briefed that he could discuss what went on.  He remains a military contractor civilian with clearances to this date.”

Well the MIA thing is easy enough to prove by contacting Mary at www.pownetwork.org they have a complete database of  everyone ever listed as a POW or MIA, and if he were listed it would be a part of his records. Dale is not listed.

Now its time to file the Freedom of Information Act request to get his OMPF ( Official Military Personnel Records ) which would list these claims if they indeed happened. These records are the Veterans Official Records that are on file and are used by many agencies such as the VA to validate claims.

Results are as follows,
He was in the Navy during the dates claimed
He was Discharged as a Petty Officer First Class E-6
He was at NTC Great Lakes, IL and the USS Jouett CG-29
His Military Education is as follows; Basic Electricity & Electronics / Fire Control Technician (Class A) / Fire Control Technician ( Class C) / Instructor Basic
His Military Awards; National Defense Service Medal, Good Conduct Medal, Sea Service Ribbon, Navy E Ribbon.

Now neither of the ribbons he displays on his QSL card are in his records, no MIA time in his dates of service and nothing else that would indicate any combat time at all.

I researched the USS Jouett and it had left the Vietnam Theatre a month before Dale even joined the US Navy, and was never in a combat role after that.

I also saw no Military Education for Armed Forces Police or for NIS Agent, I am not sure what the Navy does as far as Police so I contacted a friend of mine, Don Shipley, who is a Retired Senior Chief SEAL and asked his opinion. In not so many words Don said Dale is Full of Crap.
He is asking a friend who is a current NCIS agent to check this out . When I get more I will post it as a follow up, being a retired Military Police Master Sergeant has me wondering.

Anyway I am sure I will find more Ham’s that feel the need to embellish their military careers, or have complete phony careers.

Thanks for reading !

73   Craig, W1MSG




Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: N6AJR on February 09, 2013, 05:08:13 PM
As an old Viet Nam vet, I am appalled at folks who would lie about their military accomplishments. I know that there are still things I can't talk about  as  a condition of the field I was in. BUT, I have no ambition to track down any one who will do this.  they are just fooling themselves, and nobody else gives a damn about us nam vets any how.  we were spit on back then and  we still have some animosity because of it. So don't get upset about some one lying about their history, there is no penalty for claiming  false ribbons.  maybe he likes them on his card because they are pretty.. :(


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: G3RZP on February 10, 2013, 12:59:25 AM
I know three guys from that era. One was an officer in the USAF and getting over a messy divorce. He volunteered to go to Vietnam, so they sent him off to take charge of a microwave relay station in the Italian alps. Apparently they spent a long time carousing with the local farmers! He was a ham, but died last year.

Another decided he didn't want to be infantry. He called it 'dodging the draft' and so he signed up for 7 years in the US Navy - and got the advantage of being taught electronics so he had a job when he came out.

The third was drafted and supposedly a ground radio technician, but spent all his time in an office in Korea when they found he could type.

None of them claimed any kudos for having been in the service in that time.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: W1MSG on February 16, 2013, 06:07:06 AM
http://scotty-stolenvaloroffendersexposed.blogspot.com/2013/02/dale-r-kubichek-us-navy-vietnam-combat.html

He has hit the big time now .. He is also listed on the Stolen Valor Facebook Page ..


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: TANAKASAN on February 17, 2013, 12:28:18 AM
It's strange the way some people's minds work and what happens after they make their decisions. Until he died a few years ago I used to know someone who refused to fight in WWII because he was a Quaker and a pacifist. He therefore became a fireman and during the blitz saw just as much death and destruction as any man carrying a weapon.

Tanakasan


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: WD5GWY on February 17, 2013, 05:59:46 AM
I think the difference in that particular gentleman's case, is he did not feel that he was the cause of the death and destruction. And he still gave of himself in protecting those that he could.
james
WD5GWY


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: AC2EU on February 17, 2013, 07:41:46 PM
I was wondering if the subject of this thread may have been in classified operations, perhaps with the CIA?
I understand that people in such ops never have their names or status published because as far as the state department is concerned "it never happened".

Could he be wrongly accused?
However 1973 is rather late for Vietnam, unless it was some kind of rescue mission...


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: N0YXB on February 18, 2013, 08:46:05 AM
Doubtful.  If this were an operative's cover story, he would not be publishing it on the web.  He'd be quiet about what he has done and not invent cover stories that would attract attention to himself and his past activities.  Cover stories don't have such glaring mistakes either.  Kudos to the Stolen Valor guys for exposing these creeps.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: N6AJR on February 19, 2013, 09:28:17 AM
I agree, there is stuff I still can not disclose due to the nature of  the job i did in the Air Force, but I can talk about some of it.  I do know a "retired" gentalman who still "dissappears" for a month now and the on military business, but he does not do anything to bring attention to him self.  Just ask for a dd 214, it covers  most of it.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: KA4NMA on March 17, 2013, 09:55:00 PM
We need a legal and enforceable law about stolen valor.  One that the courts would like.

Randy ka4nma


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: AC4RD on March 18, 2013, 04:14:35 AM
We need a legal and enforceable law about stolen valor.  One that the courts would like.

There are already laws about lying; it's illegal in most instances to lie to cheat someone of something.

Do we really need MORE laws to keep people from bragging about things that they didn't do?  The fishermen and golfers are going to be in BIG trouble if that happens.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: KA4NMA on March 18, 2013, 02:09:53 PM
The Stolen Valor Act was overturned by the Supreme Court.  It is illegal to apply for VA Benefits by false means.

It is damaging to our Veterans by those who use stolen valor. 

Randy ka4nma


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: W1MSG on February 27, 2014, 07:22:25 AM
I know this is an old topic and N6JSX never removed his lies from his QRZ page but now he is Famous. Do a Google Search of his name and also read along as Angry Veterans post.

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=40026



Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: W1MSG on January 28, 2015, 04:51:21 AM
Really old but figured I would add another one

KB1HSA http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=57654

Not sure what makes these guys embellish and lie about their careers in the military.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: K9MHZ on January 28, 2015, 05:21:12 AM
I was wondering if the subject of this thread may have been in classified operations, perhaps with the CIA?
I understand that people in such ops never have their names or status published because as far as the state department is concerned "it never happened".
Could he be wrongly accused?
However 1973 is rather late for Vietnam, unless it was some kind of rescue mission...

No, EU....any "confusion" was generated by JSX himself.   

Maybe the original Stolen Valor Act got overturned, but a new one was signed into law in 2013.  Those dorks have no right to any consideration or benefit from other people.

http://guardianofvalor.com/hall-of-shame/

 


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: W1MSG on January 28, 2015, 07:20:22 AM
I have several others from the Amateur Radio community as well, but since their claims were on the air I wont post call signs.

1st  Claims Combat Engineer Vietnam, got his Bronze Star in the mail after he got home. Got a piece of metal in the face but no Purple Heart as he was a Non Combatant. Truth he was a Commo Guy and worked at a Mars Station, NO BSM or Combat Engineer.

2nd  Claims Marine Sniper in Beruit. Truth Marine Infantry, wasnt in Beruit and not a Sniper.

There are many more, I cant count all the guys I see at HAM Fests wearing SEAL Tridents, Special Forces Crests Blah Blah my guess is 90% of them are completely FOS !

Anyway, bringing an old thread back to light as Stolen Valor has become a real epidemic !


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: K8AXW on January 28, 2015, 08:51:24 AM
Quote
Anyway, bringing an old thread back to light as Stolen Valor has become a real epidemic !

Yes, it has become.....perhaps not an "epidemic" but has indeed come to the attention of many.

I have two schools of thought on this.  One is, until a law is past controlling this despicable behavior, you might just as well go out and yell at the clouds.

The second thought is "who gives a rats ass!"  The guys that does this have been doing it for many decades....actually from the first war.....wherever that was.

It needs to be understood that those who write up these bios depicting their "heroism" and or military accomplishments that are nothing but fabrications, have a mental problem. 

Ranting here on eHam, which is a ham radio question/answer forum, about this subject accomplishes absolutely nothing. 

Why even give credence to this crap?  Let's face it, the only people who are impressed are those who write the bio.  The true heroes and commendable service men don't have the need to write of their military accomplishments!

Walk away! 

BTW, an afterthought.  If you wish to "not walk away." start a letter writing campaign to your Senators and Congressmen.  That's the only chance you have of being effective in correcting this farce.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: K9MHZ on January 28, 2015, 09:29:35 AM
Text from N6JSX's own page......

"High School we had a good HAM shack with an arm-strong pulley/counterweight rotor with tri-beam. I was hooked in 1972, by 16, I was a Novice doing CW with rocks @ 75 watts."

But on the exact same page, he states that he was in the Navy in 1972.  Looks like that if he put the truth, 1973, on his QSL, that this "combat veteran" might not look so studly.  Nixon ordered the Christmas B-52  raids of Hanoi in 1972, and the North Vietnamese agreed to a ceasefire in January 1973.  N6JSX was still a civilian and wouldn't even start basic training for another month.

He used to post on here quite a bit.  If he comes back, I'd urge anyone who values truth and true valor to confront him with this.  Great work W1MSG.

God bless our troops and God bless America.



    


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: W1MSG on January 28, 2015, 10:28:37 AM
Its the Math that gets these guys every time. Not to mention his official records from a Freedom of Information request. He posts alot on the Satellite forum. Just another Turd in a Punch Bowl.

He also has some Phony ribbons on his QSL that he never received ..


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: KB2FCV on January 28, 2015, 07:24:18 PM
That's crazy people would even think of doing something like that. What fools. Great job pointing them out.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: KC2QYM on January 29, 2015, 06:52:38 AM
Real vets that I know, especially those with combat experience don't really walk around all the time with hats, shirts, and other regalia advertising the fact.  They may come out with such regalia during Veterans, memorial day, etc. Those wannabees with big BS stories (on air and off) have very little manhood in my opinion.  They should be exposed for the liars and phonies they really are.  Let me qualify that I served and I don't go around talking about it or wearing insignias and such to advertise it.  Am I proud of my service, well yes but it's for me and not everyone else.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: K9MHZ on January 29, 2015, 08:39:37 AM
Real vets that I know, especially those with combat experience don't really walk around all the time with hats, shirts, and other regalia advertising the fact. 

Absolutely 100% true. 


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: KA5IPF on January 29, 2015, 09:21:30 AM
Real vets that I know, especially those with combat experience don't really walk around all the time with hats, shirts, and other regalia advertising the fact. 

Absolutely 100% true. 

Not absolutely true. I have several caps with Signal Corps on them and a few that show Korean Service. I did both and am proud of it. Just my point of view. I don't wear them all the time but rotate them among the ham caps etc...


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: K8AXW on January 29, 2015, 09:34:59 AM
I agree 100% with IPF.  I also wear on occasion, especially in the summer, my cap with my service patch(s) on the front.  The reason for this is because of the significance of my particular service which attracts attention and is a conversation starter. 

Also since my branch of service was so small, I occasionally encounter another former members and that leads to some very happy  conversations.

Quite often I will see an older (than me) gentleman setting on a bench at the mall or Wal-mart who is wearing a "military service" cap.  I like to stop and talk to them about their service.  The conversations I've had with these guys have been incredible, even educational. I've found that as a man gets older, his military service is something he enjoys talking about. 

Every once in a while someone will stop me and thank me for my service which was over 55 years ago.....which I never received at the time.....but is also embarrassing.  However,  I thank them and go on. 

Personally, I think more men should wear caps depicting their service units.  It shows justifiable pride. 


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: KC2QYM on January 29, 2015, 09:42:05 AM
The operative part of the sentence  "Real vets that I know, especially those with combat experience don't really walk around all the time with hats, shirts, and other regalia advertising the fact."; is "all the time".  Sure legitimate vets will wear service pins and the like but not all. Some veterans would rather put that part of their past behind them.  They don't want to appear or be perceived as appearing to be arrogant, war inspiring, or gungho.  On the other hand some guys do want to emit this feeling.  I get suspicious of guys that push out too much of this testosterone.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: W1MSG on January 29, 2015, 10:01:50 AM
I have a few things I will wear from time to time. I have my old 82nd PT shirt I will wear around here. I also have an Army Strong winter hat I wear. I earned a few Qualification Badges and another for my time in the Sand Box. I also have a bunch of ribbons as well. The next time any one see's them is when I am lying in the box ready for my final destination, as that will be the next time I have my Dress Blues on. I have a Special Veterans tag for an award I received only because it affords me not paying for my vehicle registration, being retired now every penny counts.

It doesn't bother me when I see someone wearing what they earned or received in the military, how ever the ones that didn't earn it and wear it or claim it is another story all together !

Take a look at the QRZ pages for these two mentioned in the Thread, One is Really over the top, and the second is pretty close. Maybe he should learn how to spell Sergeant, or that 20 yrs service does not equal 10 hash marks on the left sleeve.

Anyway, glad the thread is still up and running, and feel free to ask me any questions about suspect Phony Vets, more than happy to check them out !

73

Craig, W1MSG


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: K6CPO on January 29, 2015, 10:24:25 AM
Real vets that I know, especially those with combat experience don't really walk around all the time with hats, shirts, and other regalia advertising the fact.  They may come out with such regalia during Veterans, memorial day, etc. Those wannabees with big BS stories (on air and off) have very little manhood in my opinion.  They should be exposed for the liars and phonies they really are.  Let me qualify that I served and I don't go around talking about it or wearing insignias and such to advertise it.  Am I proud of my service, well yes but it's for me and not everyone else.

I'm a 20 year Navy veteran, having retired in 1985.  I did a tour in Vietnam and then spent the rest of my career in the active Reserves.  The only apparel related to my military career I ever wear is a ball hat with my retired rank (Chief Petty Officer) on it or a t-shirt that says US Navy Diver on it.  (I was a Second Class Diver during the second half of my career.)


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: DL8OV on January 29, 2015, 12:00:28 PM
A question from somebody who has little knowledge of the US military. I sometimes see TV pictures of US vets wearing brightly colored caps similar to this one:

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_12_2010/post-18845-1293769983.jpg

I have seen red, blue, green and white, often with additional badges on them. Is there any significance to the colors used?

Peter DL8OV


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: W1MSG on January 29, 2015, 01:17:41 PM
A question from somebody who has little knowledge of the US military. I sometimes see TV pictures of US vets wearing brightly colored caps similar to this one:

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_12_2010/post-18845-1293769983.jpg

I have seen red, blue, green and white, often with additional badges on them. Is there any significance to the colors used?

Peter DL8OV

Each Military Branch has their own style of hats that they wear. I was in the Army, and when I was assigned to the 82nd Airborne I wore a Maroon Beret. But there is a lot of different head gear.

73

Craig W1MSG


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: AB7R on January 29, 2015, 01:40:48 PM
Am I proud of my service, well yes but it's for me and not everyone else.


I agree with this....but I often wear my squadron ball caps from VA-165, VAQ-142 and from the Independence and Nimitz.

73
Greg - AB7R
Retired PNC(AW)


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: W1MSG on January 29, 2015, 02:29:52 PM
Am I proud of my service, well yes but it's for me and not everyone else.


I agree with this....but I often wear my squadron ball caps from VA-165, VAQ-142 and from the Independence and Nimitz.

73
Greg - AB7R
Retired PNC(AW)


And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

When were you on the Nimitz ? My Step Father in Law was a Master Chief on the Nimitz when he retired back in the Early 80's.

73

Craig


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: K6CPO on January 30, 2015, 11:07:54 AM
A question from somebody who has little knowledge of the US military. I sometimes see TV pictures of US vets wearing brightly colored caps similar to this one:

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_12_2010/post-18845-1293769983.jpg

I have seen red, blue, green and white, often with additional badges on them. Is there any significance to the colors used?

Peter DL8OV

What you are seeing is the caps of members of one of the veteran's organizations, such as the Veterans of Foreign Wars or the American Legion.  Other groups such as the Pearl Harbor Survivors or the Navajo Code Talkers wear them also.  The badges on the caps are usually representative of the wearer's service, such as rank insignia, specialty badges and medals awarded.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: AB7R on January 30, 2015, 07:00:53 PM
I was with VA 165 (boomers) when I deployed on the Nimitz in 95.  Only ships as ship's company was the Indy and the Frank Cable.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: K9MHZ on January 31, 2015, 12:16:48 PM
Not absolutely true. I have several caps with Signal Corps on them and a few that show Korean Service. I did both and am proud of it. Just my point of view. I don't wear them all the time but rotate them among the ham caps etc...

Next time, try reading the context of the posts preceding yours, to which you're responding.

So once again, and to clarify for those who want to be offended for some reason.......people who advertise their service the most, and the loudest, are oftentimes those who in reality did the least.  That's part of the theme of this thread.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: KA5IPF on January 31, 2015, 05:04:22 PM
Not absolutely true. I have several caps with Signal Corps on them and a few that show Korean Service. I did both and am proud of it. Just my point of view. I don't wear them all the time but rotate them among the ham caps etc...

Next time, try reading the context of the posts preceding yours, to which you're responding.

So once again, and to clarify for those who want to be offended for some reason.......people who advertise their service the most, and the loudest, are oftentimes those who in reality did the least.  That's part of the theme of this thread.

Maybe you need to read a little better. Here's what I responded to and even included it as a quote.

Quote from: KC2QYM on January 29, 2015, 08:52:38 AM
Real vets that I know, especially those with combat experience don't really walk around all the time with hats, shirts, and other regalia advertising the fact. Quote

Absolutely 100% true. (K9MHZ response)


The last statement is yours. I merely pointed out that you stated an absolute which isn't true. As you have found out a lot of vets wear caps.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: K8AXW on February 04, 2015, 09:44:10 AM
Clif:  Well said!  End of story!


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: K9MHZ on February 04, 2015, 04:34:23 PM
Well good for you guys.....enjoy your free Starbuck's and bowls of soup.

It isn't about us anymore....we've served, and now we're old.  It's about the kids today who have been fighting and dying in a decade-long war.  I've been there and I've seen what profound sacrifices those Marine and Army kids are making for us today.  

Save your ball caps for Nov 11th.

 


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: KA5IPF on February 04, 2015, 07:09:12 PM
Are you a vet or a wanna-be?


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: K8AXW on February 04, 2015, 09:58:01 PM
Clif, he says "he's been there" so guess he's a vet.  Also sound like he thinks that the present "war" was the only one fought or that the service of millions of other men and woman mean nothing. 

Free Starbucks and soup???  What the hell's that all about?



Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: W1MSG on February 05, 2015, 03:12:03 AM
Guys can we tone it down a bit ..

I am assuming that if you took the time to post on this thread, you are also upset about those that are riding the back of Veterans with stories and service that is highly exaggerated or completely false.

Just take a look at this list http://thisainthell.us/blog/?page_id=30655

Its an epidemic that grows daily !
 


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: KA5IPF on February 05, 2015, 08:23:14 AM
Guys can we tone it down a bit ..

I am assuming that if you took the time to post on this thread, you are also upset about those that are riding the back of Veterans with stories and service that is highly exaggerated or completely false.

Just take a look at this list http://thisainthell.us/blog/?page_id=30655

Its an epidemic that grows daily !
 

You are correct. That's a very short and tender nerve in my body. My apologies.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: KG9SF on February 05, 2015, 01:12:04 PM
Wonder what ball cap Brian Williams wears.  Maybe the patch shows a mental health Purple Heart from when he went down in flames in that shot-up copter.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: G3RZP on February 05, 2015, 01:30:30 PM
Some 30 years ago, I worked with a guy who, in his youth - 1950s - had been an MP in Korea and so counted as VET. He wasn't keen on having any patches that might advertise that he had collected a very nasty dose of VD there.....

One wonders how many patch wearing veterans could say that is what it really meant for them...


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: AE5HL on February 05, 2015, 08:19:21 PM
There is nothing surprising about this...  I had a retail management job for about 6 1/2 months following my retirement from the Navy, so was able to interact with quite a few different members of the public.  There was a segment of the veteran community who passed themselves off as Army Rangers or Navy Seals and that nobody ever had to clean a toilet...  Really sad but that adage about the "brotherhood" in the military is for the most part a load of BS.  Padding a service record is something I observed while active, the pressure to make it to the top (bottom) was prevalent and practically encouraged the behavior.  I worked with some great folks and then there were those I would not trust with a firecracker...

I was very happy to retire but would have stayed had it been an option, really enjoyed the Navy, warts and all, and in my early years gave many of my supervisors a headache, so I guess it all evens out...



Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: W4AMP on February 05, 2015, 09:15:14 PM
Hello Craig, good to see you. This thread reminds me of the problems I experienced when I returned home from the Civil War.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: W1MSG on March 21, 2015, 09:38:42 AM
Lets add yet another

KB1HSA

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=57654

Phony Army Special Forces .. The Stolen Valor epidemic continues !


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: W6EM on March 22, 2015, 02:58:56 PM
Interesting.  The name tag worn on the uniform isn't Soto.  Too many letters.  Also, the photo was snapped in May of 2013.

The uniform looks to be a tad tight.  My ROTC uniform wasn't even tailored and didn't look like that.

One would think that most would know how easy it is to obtain a custom-made black/white pantograph-engraved badge.  (The closest sizeable hamfest)

Oh, almost forgot the most important point:  A first sergeant, or sergeant first class more accurately, is two rockers, not three with a diamond in the center.  Three rockers with a diamond happens to be a sergeant major.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: W1MSG on March 22, 2015, 03:13:34 PM
Interesting.  The name tag worn on the uniform isn't Soto.  Too many letters.  Also, the photo was snapped in May of 2013.

The uniform looks to be a tad tight.  My ROTC uniform wasn't even tailored and didn't look like that.

One would think that most would know how easy it is to obtain a custom-made black/white pantograph-engraved badge.  (The closest sizeable hamfest)

Oh, almost forgot the most important point:  A first sergeant, or sergeant first class more accurately, is two rockers, not three with a diamond in the center.  Three rockers with a diamond happens to be a sergeant major.

Actually that is incorrect for the Army, 3 rockers is a Master Sergeant ( which I retired as ) add a Diamond to it and your a First Sergeant. Change that to a Star and its a Sergeant Major then add the wreath and its a Command Sergeant Major ..

MSG / 1SG are both E-8 and SGM /CSM are E-9

The name tape does say SOTO, I just took a look at a larger photo of it.

It appears he has removed his picture and claims from his QRZ Page, Unlike our Hero Kubichek ..

Craig



Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: W6EM on March 22, 2015, 03:18:12 PM
Interesting.  The name tag worn on the uniform isn't Soto.  Too many letters.  Also, the photo was snapped in May of 2013.

The uniform looks to be a tad tight.  My ROTC uniform wasn't even tailored and didn't look like that.

One would think that most would know how easy it is to obtain a custom-made black/white pantograph-engraved badge.  (The closest sizeable hamfest)

Oh, almost forgot the most important point:  A first sergeant, or sergeant first class more accurately, is two rockers, not three with a diamond in the center.  Three rockers with a diamond happens to be a sergeant major.

Actually that is incorrect for the Army, 3 rockers is a Master Sergeant ( which I retired as ) add a Diamond to it and your a First Sergeant. Change that to a Star and its a Sergeant Major then add the wreath and its a Command Sergeant Major ..

MSG / 1SG are both E-8 and SGM /CSM are E-9

Craig

Oops.  Sorry, Craig, my lack of modern knowledge!  Thanks for straightening me out.  Hope what I said about the nametag is correct.



Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: W1MSG on March 22, 2015, 03:21:59 PM
Interesting.  The name tag worn on the uniform isn't Soto.  Too many letters.  Also, the photo was snapped in May of 2013.

The uniform looks to be a tad tight.  My ROTC uniform wasn't even tailored and didn't look like that.

One would think that most would know how easy it is to obtain a custom-made black/white pantograph-engraved badge.  (The closest sizeable hamfest)

Oh, almost forgot the most important point:  A first sergeant, or sergeant first class more accurately, is two rockers, not three with a diamond in the center.  Three rockers with a diamond happens to be a sergeant major.

Actually that is incorrect for the Army, 3 rockers is a Master Sergeant ( which I retired as ) add a Diamond to it and your a First Sergeant. Change that to a Star and its a Sergeant Major then add the wreath and its a Command Sergeant Major ..

MSG / 1SG are both E-8 and SGM /CSM are E-9

Craig

Oops.  Sorry, Craig.  Thanks for straightening me out.



No problem, its easy to get the whole rocker diamond star thing confused.. It also looks like he cleaned up his QRZ Page and removed the photo and claims. I am sure some of the Special Forces guys had something to do with that..

Craig


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: KK5DR on March 22, 2015, 03:29:51 PM
Dilutions of grandure. That is usually the motivation for claiming military experiences that never really happened, or were greatly embellished on.
Any way you cut it, it isn't right.
I am a U.S. Navy vet. 1982-86. I never claim things I didn't really do or can't prove with my records (which I have locked in my safe).
I have little to no respect for those that do such things. It dishonors all those who did their duty with honor.
I fully support those vets out there that "call out" these "posers".


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: KC2QYM on March 26, 2015, 09:34:03 AM
Are 'Dilutions of grandure' somewhat different or the same as 'Solutions of grandure' which when taken with a shot of false courage bourbon becomes Delusions of Grandure  ;D
I agree that men with small members and/or diminishing testosterone levels often feel that they have to  compensate with bloated stories of their military heroics (if they even did serve).  As I've said in other threads, a man who has been in battle doesn't talk about it and doesn't have to.  He doesn't have to remind people that he was there and express what he did.  Veterans who return home from war should never be asked about what they did over there.  It's an inappropriate question in my opinion.  Although some veterans don't have a problem with that question, civilians should have the sensitivity to understand that many men and woman soldiers and veterans don't need to be reminded of their in theater experiences by direct or indirect questions.  Let them move forward with their lives and be encouraged in that pursuit.  Those disgusting outrageous liars that put themselves in higher proportion military backgrounds should be shunned and continually exposed.   


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: K9MHZ on March 29, 2015, 05:12:25 PM
Lets add yet another

KB1HSA

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=57654

Phony Army Special Forces .. The Stolen Valor epidemic continues !

He's a nut.  Look at his dates of service...approx. 18 months and discharged as an Airman Basic (E-1).  Normally he would have served at least 4 years to complete the active duty portion of his enlistment, and even at 18 months, he should have at least been an E-2 or E-3.  Something happened back then, and it looks like his present behavior is consistent with reading between the lines on his discharge form.  


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: AE5J on March 29, 2015, 09:15:22 PM
My dad flew 33 missions as a B-17 pilot over Germany in WWII, was shot up several times, once had to crash land in Russian controlled territory for which he was awarded the DFC. He and his crew managed to make it back to Foggia in Italy. He would never talk about the terror of his experiences.

My father in law landed on Omaha Beach on D+1, was wounded 3 times (3 Purple Hearts), and fought in the Battle of the Bulge. He never would speak of his experiences. He had frequent nightmares that lasted until he passed away - some 60 years after the events.

I tried to enlist in 1967-68 in both the Army and Marine Corps. Each time I tried, I was told they didn't want me. I passed my physical and was classified 1-A for the draft. Figured I would get called. Nothing. At my fathers funeral in 2006, a man introduced himself to me. I had no idea who he was. Turned out he was on the local Draft Board. He asked if I knew why I'd never been called or allowed to enlist to which I said no. He said they would not allow only sons of WWII or Korean War vets to serve. I wept when he told me since 4 of my close friends were on The Wall.

I infuriates me when people steal the valor of all those who serve and served, living and dead. And to all the Vietnam vets in particular, we owe you a "welcome home." Please know that you are among our heroes.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: W1JKA on March 30, 2015, 04:00:52 AM


 He asked if I knew why I'd never been called or allowed to enlist to which I said no. He said they would not allow only sons of WWII or Korean War vets to serve.

Really?? Can someone please explain this as I had no problem doing so.






Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: AE5J on March 30, 2015, 08:12:13 AM
I understand local boards had the discretion before the lottery. Yours must not have chosen to implement it? My question to him was why. He just said the board had the option. He must have known my dad in some way. I have no idea about others. After 1969 they went to the lottery thing. I was 125. I think my classification was IV-something, but I don't remember when I was changed from I-A. The only IV classification I knew about was IV-F for physical.

Keep in mind this is just what he told me. I was never told why I wasn't accepted by the recruiters. I think (IIRC) both times I tried to enlist was in the winter of 67-68.

I haven't a clue as to the way all this happened. Back then most saw it as like Russian roulette. You went or you didn't.

Edit to add: wonders of the Internet. All these years and I just looked up the ever changing sole surviving son law. It only applied when a family member had been killed in action or was MIA or a POW - none of which would have applied to me. There is lots of information about draft boards out there. The more I look at it now, my situation sounds and smells more like a local decision on who would get drafted, and who wouldn't. I guess they thought they were doing me a favor - one I'd sooner have foregone.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: K9MHZ on March 31, 2015, 06:27:07 AM
Lets add yet another

KB1HSA

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=57654

Phony Army Special Forces .. The Stolen Valor epidemic continues !


Something I received yesterday from a friend from work (now retired) who flew F-100s in Vietnam for the Mistys.  Note what was also going on during HSA's 18-month stint as an Airman Basic.  But, I'm not sure that vermin like HSA could ever understand or even care.................


The Wall
  
A little history most people will never know.
  
Interesting Veterans Statistics off the Vietnam Memorial Wall.
  
There are 58,267 names now listed on that polished black wall, including those added in 2010.
  
The names are arranged in the order in which they were taken from us by date and within each date the names are alphabetized. It is hard to believe it is 36 years since the last casualties.
  
The first known casualty was Richard B. Fitzgibbon, of North Weymouth, Mass. Listed by the U.S. Department of Defense as having been killed on June 8, 1965. His name is listed on the Wall with that of his son, Marine Corps Lance Cpl. Richard B Fitzgibbon III, who was killed on Sept. 7, 1965.
  
There are three sets of fathers and sons on the Wall.
  
39,996 on the Wall were just 22 or younger.
  
8,283 were just 19 years old.

The largest age group, 33,103 were 18 years old.
12 soldiers on the Wall were 17 years old.
  
5 soldiers on the Wall were 16 years old.
  
One soldier, PFC Dan Bullock was 15 years old.
  
997 soldiers were killed on their first day in Vietnam.
  
1,448 soldiers were killed on their last assigned date in Vietnam.
  
31 sets of brothers are on the Wall.
  
Thirty one sets of parents lost two of their sons.
  
54 soldiers attended Thomas Edison High School in Philadelphia . I wonder why so many from one school.
  
8 Women are on the Wall. Nursing the wounded.
  
244 soldiers were awarded the Medal of Honor during the Vietnam War; 153 of them are on the Wall.
  
Beallsville, Ohio with a population of 475 lost 6 of her sons.
  
West Virginia had the highest casualty rate per capita in the nation. There are 711 West Virginians on the Wall.
  
The Marines of Morenci - They led some of the scrappiest high school football and basketball teams that the little Arizona copper town of Morenci (pop. 5,058) had ever known and cheered. They enjoyed roaring beer busts. In quieter moments, they rode horses along the Coronado Trail, stalked deer in the Apache National Forest. And in the patriotic camaraderie typical of Morenci's mining families, the nine graduates of Morenci High enlisted as a group in the Marine Corps. Their service began on Independence Day, 1966. Only 3 returned home.
  
The Buddies of Midvale - LeRoy Tafoya, Jimmy Martinez, Tom Gonzales were all boyhood friends and lived on three consecutive streets in Midvale, Utah on Fifth, Sixth and Seventh avenues. They lived only a few yards apart. They played ball at the adjacent sandlot ball field. And they all went to Vietnam . In a span of 16 dark days in late 1967, all three would be killed. LeRoy was killed on Wednesday, Nov. 22, the fourth anniversary of John F. Kennedy's assassination. Jimmy died less than 24 hours later on Thanksgiving Day. Tom was shot dead assaulting the enemy on Dec. 7, Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day.
  
The most casualty deaths for a single day was on January 31, 1968 ~ 245 deaths.
  
The most casualty deaths for a single month was May 1968 - 2,415 casualties were incurred.
  


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: DL8OV on March 31, 2015, 10:10:58 AM
For all those on the wall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGgmxhyOcYk

Peter DL8OV


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: K9MHZ on July 30, 2015, 08:57:07 AM
I infuriates me when people steal the valor of all those who serve and served, living and dead. And to all the Vietnam vets in particular, we owe you a "welcome home." Please know that you are among our heroes.

Perfectly stated.  People in Texas always seem to get it for some reason.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: WA2ISE on July 30, 2015, 01:09:10 PM
For all those on the wall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGgmxhyOcYk


Some company called "UMG" had youtube block it here in the USA.  Something about copyright. 

I never had the pleasure to serve in the service.  Just a little too young for Vietnam. 

Don't know anyone who faked their military experiences, though I do know someone who told tall tales of being in charge of building security at the World Trade Center on 911.  He didn't scam us out of anything, but I suppose he figured his life was very boring otherwise...


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: W4KYR on July 30, 2015, 02:43:46 PM
For all those on the wall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGgmxhyOcYk


Some company called "UMG" had youtube block it here in the USA.  Something about copyright. 

I never had the pleasure to serve in the service.  Just a little too young for Vietnam. 

Don't know anyone who faked their military experiences, though I do know someone who told tall tales of being in charge of building security at the World Trade Center on 911.  He didn't scam us out of anything, but I suppose he figured his life was very boring otherwise...

Speaking of 911, there was a lady named Tania Head who said she was a survivor of the WTC. In fact she was was in her native Spain when 911 happened. She got a lot of media attention until she was exposed. They even did a documentary about her on one of the cable channels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Esteve_Head



"Head rose to "mini-celebrity status" with her vivid description of crawling through smoke and flames on the 78th floor of the South Tower (WTC 2) when United Airlines Flight 175 hit. If true, this would have made her 1 of only 19 people at or above the point of impact to have survived.[8][10] She claimed that her fiancé Dave was killed in the North Tower (WTC 1), though in later tellings of the story, she said that "Dave" was actually her husband.[11]

She also claimed that a dying man passed his wedding ring to her so it could be returned to his widow, and that she had been rescued by Welles Crowther, whose heroic actions on that day were widely reported in the media.[8] Head was interviewed in the media, invited to speak at university conferences, and in 2005, was chosen to lead tours for the Tribute WTC Visitor Center, where she was photographed with New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, former Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and former New York Governor George Pataki.[12]

Head regularly recounted her claims to Ground Zero tour groups in vivid detail, saying, "I was there at the towers. I'm a survivor. I'm going to tell you about that."[10] She was featured in retrospective 9/11 articles as a representative of the 20,000 surviving victims who escaped the damaged buildings.[13] Richard Zimbler, her successor as president of the World Trade Center Survivors' Network, said, "There was no reason to doubt her story. She looked the part. She had a badly injured arm that appeared to have burn scars and her story was very, very realistic."[14]"


Didn't mean to derail the thread, but you mentioned 911 and I think it is important that everyone hear of the story.


Title: RE: Stolen Valor & Ham Radio Number 1 for 2013
Post by: KM4AH on July 30, 2015, 02:52:01 PM
When my neighbor, whose father I worked for, got back from Viet Nam he gave me his jacket which had three stripes and Old Ironsides on it. I wore the jacket pulling tobacco for a couple of years. Good thing I was not arrested out in a tobacco field for impersonating a vet.