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Title: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: AF3Y on February 04, 2013, 04:40:22 PM
Since ZL9HR, the most recent expedition of any size.

Nothing announced for 2013 so far.

Will 2013 be a Bust, expedition wise?

Predicted Cycle 24 Max in 2013, but nothing planned?

Not even a juicy rumor.

Bored.

 ::)

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: NI0C on February 04, 2013, 04:52:41 PM
You mean you can't find anything of interest here: http://www.ng3k.com/Misc/adxo.html
??

I have 332 current entities confirmed and over 2100 Challenge points, and I'm still having fun.

73,
Chuck  NI0C


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: KE4KY on February 04, 2013, 04:53:15 PM
Clipperton TX5K March 2013.

Not super rare, but will certainly get a ton of attention.

http://www.cordell.org/CI/index.html (http://www.cordell.org/CI/index.html)


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: W1NK on February 04, 2013, 04:59:01 PM
I seem to recall Paul,  N6PSE, hinting that there might be something in the works from the Intrepid Group.

Frank,  W1NK


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: W6GX on February 04, 2013, 05:12:48 PM
Single ops dxpeditions and resident hams have provided me with new ones this year. I had set a very low expectation and so far I'm very pleased with how things went in the first month. With that being said it's a bit not seeing big announcements. My guess is that when it finally rains it will pour ;D

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: WD4ELG on February 04, 2013, 07:47:38 PM
Agreed, good results so far this year: juicy bandfills in January = JD1BMH (30), JT1CO (40), PY0F/PP1CZ (40),  EY8MM (80), TZ6BB (15), and four new ones on 160.

It's not like last January with four ATNO (HK0NA, VK0TH, C21HA, TN2T), but I am NOT complaining this year.

I think we were spoiled last year.  So much DX in 2012 really set the bar high in terms of expectations.

I will keep putting down more radial wire and doing DX dances in the shack to the DX gods, and something good will come to those who are deserving.


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: WD4ELG on February 04, 2013, 07:49:34 PM
Gene/AF3Y, how about sending some of that sunny weather further north?  And can you do something to help with the sunspots?  You are closer, right?   ;D

I hope the lower sunspot cycle is not deterring any DXpeditions.


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: NU1O on February 05, 2013, 12:58:05 AM
Clipperton TX5K March 2013.

Not super rare, but will certainly get a ton of attention.

http://www.cordell.org/CI/index.html (http://www.cordell.org/CI/index.html)

Anybody who has been around a few cycles has Clipperton worked on many bands.  

This is supposed to be a warmup for the Heard Island expedition but it is a substantial outlay of funds and I don't understand why they must go to Clipperton in order to activate Heard. The only reason I have heard, which makes no sense at all, is the team leader always works expeditions in pairs. Why must he work expeditions in pairs when the cost for Heard seemingly goes up every day and is currently at $1.5 million?

Since the Heard island expedition will cost over 7 figures I would save the money which will be spent on Clipperton for the Heard trip.

The Clipperton trip makes no sense to me when one factors in how difficult it is to raise money from the DX community.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: NU1O on February 05, 2013, 01:04:16 AM
Since ZL9HR, the most recent expedition of any size.

Nothing announced for 2013 so far.

Will 2013 be a Bust, expedition wise?

Predicted Cycle 24 Max in 2013, but nothing planned?

Not even a juicy rumor.

Bored.

 ::)

73, Gene AF3Y

You aren't going to work a new one every week or every month when one is at your level of countries worked.

I picked up two bandfills today and was very content.

Most Dxers are not ragchewers. I have lately been getting a lot of satisfaction from simply ragchewing with stations I would normally exchange a report with.

Gene, I think it's time you adapt, otherwise you will stop putting on the rig unless a new one is on.  There are many facets to ham radio and I think you need to find a new one.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: K2DC on February 05, 2013, 04:04:24 AM
Well, I'm at 335 confirmed and 1610 for challenge so it isnt getting any easier for me either.  While patiently waiting for Heard, other than band-fills I've been passing the time working on DXCC Digital, which I've never had.  But that's not going last longas a near-full time endeavor - I'm at 99 worked and 42 confirmed in 28 days.

I had a Ham friend sk me once what I'd do after I've worked him all.  I told him I'd probably have to stoop to county hunting or quilting or some other nefaious activity.

73 All,

Don, K2DC


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: W1VT on February 05, 2013, 04:16:46 AM
I just worked ZK3T for an ATNO and a new one on 80!  Sure beats listening to noise on 15/12 meters.  ;)  I already have Clipperton and Heard on 20, but I sure could use them for my 80M DXCC. 


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: W6GX on February 05, 2013, 06:02:25 AM
The Clipperton trip makes no sense to me when one factors in how difficult it is to raise money from the DX community.

I remember reading up somewhere that it was a package deal from the boat operator?  Perhaps Rich could elaborate some more.

I agree that it could be somewhere else besides Clipperton.  However at your level of countries worked anything you haven't worked are difficult to access.

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: W1NK on February 05, 2013, 06:20:44 AM
For the time being I'm living vicariously thru everyone here on this topic...last week a 40+ pine took out my MA8040V(+30) and half of my reversible 15M inverted V array!  Replacement parts on the vertical are 1-2 weeks out and I've yet to get the time to rehang the VK "leg" of the array.

Keep the info and stories comin'!

Frank, W1NK



Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: W1VT on February 05, 2013, 06:38:04 AM
That is too bad--the gusty wind last week in CT was pretty nasty.

Hopefully we will have a well timed warm spell so you can get everything back up quickly!

Zack W1VT


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: KY6R on February 05, 2013, 06:52:41 AM
Anybody who has been around a few cycles has Clipperton worked on many bands.  
Chris - you should email KK6EK - or (especially), Chris, DL1MGB.

DX-pedition leaders look at many sources and poll many different groups of people - and also make sure each dx-pedition has the interest (willing team members to pay their way - which is the lions share of funding a dx-pedition) before choosing where to go. I wouldn't worry that it takes anything away from Heard island - it doesn't.

I was actually quite surprised at the interest in Clipperton. And I have worked the last three weekends at the Cordell Expeditions warehouse helping pack up TX5K and doing web based tasks - (even though I only need it on 160M and 6M). I'm excited for the team and anyone who still needs it - for an ATNO or band fill. While working on this, I realize that I was just like all of the DX-ers who might have either just gotten into the chase now - or re-activated after many years off. Imagine all of the rare one's I missed between 1977 - 2001! Since they were easily able to fill the Shogun boat with team members for Clipperton, then it has the requisite "momentum needed".

I also know dx-pedition leaders don't come to eHam to ask "Gee, what does KY6R need . . . " and then make their decisions based around that (dammit, they SHOULD) . . .  ;D

If they would - they could even just go to my QRZ.COM page and see the last 9 that I need. . . . and would activate all 9 of these before Cycle 24 slides down the dumper. I would be sooooooo excited to see an announcement for Kingman Reef and Navassa!

Heard Island is a very different proposition - and it has HUGE interest. It will have a very different "challenge" than Clipperton. Believe me.




Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: N7SMI on February 05, 2013, 06:56:54 AM
.The Clipperton trip makes no sense to me when one factors in how difficult it is to raise money from the DX community.

To get most very rare DX on the air these days requires as much political negotiating as it does money. It's my understanding that the Clipperton trip helps establish and validate the environmental program that will be used later on Heard.

For a lot of the rare ones (especially US properties) it will only be through coupling with environmental programs and negotiating politics and bureaucracy that activations will be ever possible.


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: KY6R on February 05, 2013, 07:03:03 AM
For a lot of the rare ones (especially US properties) it will only be through coupling with environmental programs and negotiating politics and bureaucracy that activations will be ever possible.

Absolutely. In fact, I predict that several of the "US F&W" managed entities will actually be activated in the next 5 years, but that DX-peditions will be changing in their approach to accomplish this.

It will be a case of "If you can't beat them, join them".

There are a handful of DX-pedition leaders who are fully capable of doing this - and they are "out of the box" creative thinkers.



Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: AF3Y on February 05, 2013, 07:07:25 AM

You aren't going to work a new one every week or every month when one is at your level of countries worked.

Obviously, but with nothing even announced for the rest of the year, it does not look good.

I picked up two bandfills today and was very content.

Some are more easily satisfied than others. Bandfills, except on 80, dont interest me.

Most Dxers are not ragchewers. I have lately been getting a lot of satisfaction from simply ragchewing with stations I would normally exchange a report with.

If I had to rely on ragchewing for contentment, there would be spider webs on the rig. Not for me.

Gene, I think it's time you adapt, otherwise you will stop putting on the rig unless a new one is on.  There are many facets to ham radio and I think you need to find a new one.

The rig has been on less than 1 hour total, since Campbell. The 25 or so QSOs were mostly 80m, which I need.

73, Gene AF3Y



Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: KY6R on February 05, 2013, 07:30:43 AM
It took me all of January to go through "withdrawal". 2012 was really an amazing year of DX - in some ways the best I have had in the 11 1/2 years I have been in the game.

There are still a good number of the 9 that I still need with someone interested in activating these, and I know that persistence will pay off.

I'm still dreaming of a year where Navassa and Kingman are activated. That would be "epic".

Bouvet and South Sandwich would be nice too.


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: W6GX on February 05, 2013, 07:40:09 AM
I'm still dreaming of a year where Navassa and Kingman are activated. That would be "epic".

I'll take any one of the islands under the control of US F&W.  I don't have any of them!

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: EI2GLB on February 05, 2013, 09:10:29 AM
Thing is Chris a lot of us havn't been around a couple of cycles, or maybe only took up DXing in the last few years,
If expedition leaders only ran expeditions to suit Guys like yourself then how would newbies get any of the more rare entities,

And I'm sure it would make sence to you if you needed clipperton for an ATNO,


Trevor
EI2GLB

,


Anybody who has been around a few cycles has Clipperton worked on many bands.  


The Clipperton trip makes no sense to me when one factors in how difficult it is to raise money from the DX community.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: W6GX on February 05, 2013, 09:42:46 AM
In looking at the 2013 dxpedition announcements I see Juan Fernandez as the highest ranked DXCC at 36 on clublog.  However I haven't see any more details on this dxpedition since the Dec. 2012 announcement.  Once confirmed I'm sure this will get people's blood pressure up.  AND if anyone could activate Juan Fernandez I also see a possibility of an activation at San Felix.  San Felix is at #16.

At this rate the dxpedition of the year award for 2013 might go to Clipperton :o  Since it's an ATNO for me they will get my vote ;D

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: KY6R on February 05, 2013, 10:07:45 AM
Look at the last sentence of this article:

http://www.haraoa.com/2013/02/zl9hr-campbell-island-new-zealand.html

 :o


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: W2IRT on February 05, 2013, 11:35:59 AM
Look at the last sentence of this article:
http://www.haraoa.com/2013/02/zl9hr-campbell-island-new-zealand.html
 :o

Four words: oink oink, flap flap.
 :o indeed!


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: KY6R on February 05, 2013, 11:58:44 AM
Look at the last sentence of this article:
http://www.haraoa.com/2013/02/zl9hr-campbell-island-new-zealand.html
 :o

Four words: oink oink, flap flap.
 :o indeed!

Complete this sentence:

If they activate a rare one that I need, I would ____________________......



Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: WD4ELG on February 05, 2013, 12:47:42 PM
KY6R

If they announce activation of a rare one that I need, I will  ___________

1. Contribute to the cost (and I don't mean $5.  At 307, every remaining entity is very rare and expensive.  I am talking about personaly giving a lot more than that as contribution to the cost...especially if it is a South Atlantic...which are the most expensive and difficult).

2. Assist the DXpedition (like you did, RIch) with logistical coordination stateside, QSLing, whatever they need.  I don't have a TON of time, but I do have time and would be willing to assist.

3. Someday (oh, do I have dreams!) I would like participate in the DXpedition itself once we get word of the activation.  I would EAGERLY take time off from work to activate Navassa.  And I would find a way to pay my cost....I would even sell some of my gear to raise funds, and whatever else I had to do.  I don't want to go to the South Atlantic (I HATE cold), but I have no issues with activating a bird-covered island in the tropics...especially if it is in our hemisphere.  Hey, I am low maintenance and a team player.  I'll lift luggage.  I'll run the high speed CW position.  I'll do digital or SSB.  I'll cook.  Whatever is needed.



Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: W2IRT on February 05, 2013, 01:02:20 PM
Four words: oink oink, flap flap.

Complete this sentence:
If they activate a rare one that I need, I would ____________________......

...be shocked that they'd collect dollar one from the DXing community. But that said, I'd work them, QSL via LoTW and wait for that to show up. Period; unless they develop a radically different financial plan with 100% transparency, they'd not get a penny from me above and beyond the cost to return a physical QSL if it was a new one. Otherwise LoTW only.


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: KD8MJR on February 05, 2013, 01:12:11 PM
Just a thought I had the other day after listening to the news.  The president said that the USA was a Pacific power and that was going to be a priority!  If that's the case I would imagine that many of these islands are going to be getting a lot more attention than they have during the previous 30 years.    China is causing a lot of concern and I fully expect that many unmanned locations may become manned or at the least be monitored closely by both the USA and others.


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: AF3Y on February 05, 2013, 01:12:24 PM
I also see a possibility of an activation at San Felix.  San Felix is at #16.
You are Dreaming.


At this rate the dxpedition of the year award for 2013 might go to Clipperton :o  Since it's an ATNO for me they will get my vote ;D
It MIGHT, if enough Europeans did not work it the last FEW TIMES it was active. (Just the thought of a "Not even scarce entity" winning that award, makes me queasy.)  I dont think there are that many NA/SA DXers needing it to generate that much hoopla, etc. 73, Gene AF3Y

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: AF3Y on February 05, 2013, 01:21:43 PM
Complete this sentence:

If they activate a rare one that I need, I would TRY TO WORK IT, GRIN WIDELY IF SUCCESSFUL PUT IT IN THE LOG, AND SIT ON MY HANDS (like now), WAITING FOR THE NEXT ATNO.

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: W1NK on February 05, 2013, 01:34:33 PM
Quote
If they activate a rare one that I need, I would ____________________......

Be shocked that, given all the resulting drama, finger-pointing, etc. that anyone would sign on with the group.  But understanding that it's the operators' choice, I would happily work them and patiently wait for the next one...


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: AF5C on February 05, 2013, 09:25:58 PM
It took me all of January to go through "withdrawal". 2012 was really an amazing year of DX - in some ways the best I have had in the 11 1/2 years I have been in the game.

If you liked last year you would have loved 2001 when we had major DXpeditions to: PY0S, E3, 3B6, D6, YK and the Sptatleys, and smaller operations from ZD9, 5A, 9U, JD1M, TJ, VP8SG, 3D2R, H40, HK0M (2 of them), VK9C, 3Y0B, and YI.

One of my best years ever for ATNOs and I was already over the 250 total by that time.  I missed the YK, ZD9, and 3Y0B unfortunately.

5X, 9U and XT should hopefully give me some band and/or mode fills in the next couple of months.  Need all 3 on RTTY.

John AF5CC


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: KY6R on February 06, 2013, 03:20:14 AM
It took me all of January to go through "withdrawal". 2012 was really an amazing year of DX - in some ways the best I have had in the 11 1/2 years I have been in the game.

If you liked last year you would have loved 2001 when we had major DXpeditions to: PY0S, E3, 3B6, D6, YK and the Sptatleys, and smaller operations from ZD9, 5A, 9U, JD1M, TJ, VP8SG, 3D2R, H40, HK0M (2 of them), VK9C, 3Y0B, and YI.

One of my best years ever for ATNOs and I was already over the 250 total by that time.  I missed the YK, ZD9, and 3Y0B unfortunately.

5X, 9U and XT should hopefully give me some band and/or mode fills in the next couple of months.  Need all 3 on RTTY.

John AF5CC

I started in July, 2001, so I do remember a few of those. E3 and 3Y0B (and K5K 9 months earlier) are one's I just missed by months  - (because I wasn't yet back on the air) - and so I still need those, and then I missed VP8THU and FT5GA later on - that I still need. FT5GA is probably the only one where I will probably have to wait another 10 years to get - hi hi.


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: AF5C on February 06, 2013, 07:39:39 AM
Hope we don't have to wait that much longer for VP8SS but haven't heard of anyone going there anytime soon.

John AF5CC


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: W2IRT on February 07, 2013, 06:26:31 AM
Hey, didn't Romeo and Don Miller activate this around the 1958 solar max?
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/541560_4741687054087_1496868993_n.jpg (https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/541560_4741687054087_1496868993_n.jpg)


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: NU1O on February 07, 2013, 09:25:25 AM
Hey, didn't Romeo and Don Miller activate this around the 1958 solar max?
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/541560_4741687054087_1496868993_n.jpg (https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/541560_4741687054087_1496868993_n.jpg)

Someday there just maybe a trip to Titan. The downside is we will all be Silent Keys by then. 


73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: Nearly TWO Months now......
Post by: VK3HJ on February 08, 2013, 07:10:42 PM
The only possibility of an ATNO for me this year, with the expedition calendar as it presently stands, is one bloke who lives in monastery, who rarely gets on air, and doesn't seem very interested in DX-ing!
Let's hope for a few nice surprises this year, like Socotra I last year. When 7O6T activated last year, I was on dxpedition myself, and was worrying they'd QRT before I got home!
What's keeping me active is the CQ DX Marathon. The year has started out really well. The past few years, I decided to chase the Marathon late in the year. I'm also working on my QRP DXCC - on 75 now, so should make 100 before long. And pushing towards the 100 on Top Band. And working new band countries. And I plan to have a go at building a tx for 630m this coming winter, when HF usually goes quiet.
So, there's still plenty of interest in the hobby, despite little chance of ATNO.
73 and remember to have fun,
Luke VK3HJ