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Title: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: KC9QQ on February 20, 2013, 06:02:30 AM
I just noticed that EP3SMH (Iran) is active on the bands this morning.  If you look him up on QRZ.COM it says he wants $9 (green stamps) + one IRC for a QSL.  This sounds like a currency generation scam and not a legitimate request of offset QSL costs.  Given the trade restrictions on Iran, I would suspect that US $ would be extremely valuable.   I am not even sure if it would be legal to send US$ to Iran.

Any others have similar concerns?

Fred, KC9QQ



Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: W6GX on February 20, 2013, 06:13:58 AM
There was another thread on this subject.  I had thought of the same thing until Zack brought up this info. to the group.  See http://www.k4hb.com/postage.html

I wouldn't mind paying $9 for a QSL if I had worked EP for an ATNO.  I couldn't hear him this morning but of course it's too early for an opening on 10m here in CO :'(

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: NU1O on February 20, 2013, 06:33:58 AM
This has been brought up several times with the last occurrence just last week.  I don't know if it's legal or not to send money to Iran but I would think EP3SMH has more to worry about from his government than an American ham from the USG.

This would likely fall under Federal jurisdiction but US prosecutors are busy people.  I don't think there is one with enough free time to bring a case over $9 to an Iranian ham. But assuming there was an overzealous prosecutor how would they find out about the $9 in somebody's envelope?  Is the USPS opening all mail to Iran?  I don't know.

If you work him and think the $9 fee is too high or you think you may risk going to prison your choice is simple: don't send $9 to EP3SMH for a QSL.

73,

Chris/NU1O



Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: KC9QQ on February 20, 2013, 06:41:55 AM
Thanks to all for the additional insight on postage costs from Iran.  It appears the cost is legit, however I wonder what the chances are that an envelope with $9 would actually make it to him.  Oh well, I didn't work him so it is a non issue at the moment. 

Thanks,

Fred, KC9QQ


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: KE8G on February 20, 2013, 08:31:59 AM
There was another thread on this subject.  I had thought of the same thing until Zack brought up this info. to the group.  See http://www.k4hb.com/postage.html

I wouldn't mind paying $9 for a QSL if I had worked EP for an ATNO.  I couldn't hear him this morning but of course it's too early for an opening on 10m here in CO :'(

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Hi Jonathan,
Would you really pay that "ransom" for an ATNO? 

I do NOT have Iran as a DXCC, so it too would be an ATNO, but I would NOT pay that to get a QSL card.  Call it another one of my principles.  I think an amount like this is far too much and it is nothing more than a money generator for the station.  This is the so called "ham spirit" everyone talks about?

73 de Jim - KE8G



Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: AE5X on February 20, 2013, 09:38:19 AM
After filing my 1040, paying $9 for a hard-to-get-ATNO QSL would seem a pittance. In fact, I just donated more than that to two recent DXpeditions. And far more than that to Uncle Sam.

John AE5X
http://www.ae5x.com/blog


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: W6GX on February 20, 2013, 10:35:31 AM
There was another thread on this subject.  I had thought of the same thing until Zack brought up this info. to the group.  See http://www.k4hb.com/postage.html

I wouldn't mind paying $9 for a QSL if I had worked EP for an ATNO.  I couldn't hear him this morning but of course it's too early for an opening on 10m here in CO :'(

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Hi Jonathan,
Would you really pay that "ransom" for an ATNO? 

I do NOT have Iran as a DXCC, so it too would be an ATNO, but I would NOT pay that to get a QSL card.  Call it another one of my principles.  I think an amount like this is far too much and it is nothing more than a money generator for the station.  This is the so called "ham spirit" everyone talks about?

73 de Jim - KE8G

Hi Jim,

You might have missed one important fact discussed in the two threads.  Postage rate is very expensive in Iran.  So the ham is not making much at all.

Even if he's making money I wouldn't mind paying the 'ransom'.  That's just me.

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: K2DC on February 20, 2013, 10:58:10 AM
According to K4HB's International postage rate list:

http://www.k4hb.com/postage.html

International postage from Iran to the US is $12.50 (Holy S%&#!!!)

And it is currently illegal to mail US currency to Iran:

http://pe.usps.com/text/imm/il_004.htm#ep1384388

But as posted earlier, how excited are postal inspectors and federal prosecuters going to get over $9?

73,

Don, K2DC


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: KE8G on February 20, 2013, 11:18:14 AM
There was another thread on this subject.  I had thought of the same thing until Zack brought up this info. to the group.  See http://www.k4hb.com/postage.html

I wouldn't mind paying $9 for a QSL if I had worked EP for an ATNO.  I couldn't hear him this morning but of course it's too early for an opening on 10m here in CO :'(

73,
Jonathan W6GX



Hi Jonathan,
Would you really pay that "ransom" for an ATNO? 

I do NOT have Iran as a DXCC, so it too would be an ATNO, but I would NOT pay that to get a QSL card.  Call it another one of my principles.  I think an amount like this is far too much and it is nothing more than a money generator for the station.  This is the so called "ham spirit" everyone talks about?

73 de Jim - KE8G

Hi Jim,

You might have missed one important fact discussed in the two threads.  Postage rate is very expensive in Iran.  So the ham is not making much at all.

Even if he's making money I wouldn't mind paying the 'ransom'.  That's just me.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Hi Jonathan,
Thanks for pointing out my error!   I did some quick research on the Internet and it appears that the Iranian Postal Service has recently raised the rate.  From the best I can calculate; it's approximately $7.30 for someone in Iran to send air mail.

I guess I just jumped the gun, as I have seen soooooo many stations asking for very outrageous "contributions" to secure their QSL cards.  To me, that's the money generator to further their personal enjoyment and buy them new equipment.

73 de Jim - KE8G


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: NU1O on February 20, 2013, 11:45:27 AM
I'd love to know what the Iranian government charges their citizens to send a letter to Cuba or Venezuela.  I have a feeling this is just a de facto ban on mail to the USA so the Iranian government can say there is no law against sending mail to the USA. It's certainly a huge deterrent for Iranians who don't have somebody on the other end to pay their postal bills.

According to Wikipedia there are almost a half million Iranian-Americans in the USA. Many likely have relatives in Iran and those punitive postal rates would certainly discourage friends and relatives from exchanging letters.

I really don't want the Iranian government making any money from American hams but since oil is traded in US dollars this is not a substantial dollar generator for them. Only somebody chasing DXCC would be willing to pay $9 for a letter.

Ironically, I just watched Argo last night so all those anti-Iranian feelings are fresh in my mind.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: NU1O on February 20, 2013, 11:49:28 AM
Thanks to all for the additional insight on postage costs from Iran.  It appears the cost is legit, however I wonder what the chances are that an envelope with $9 would actually make it to him.  Oh well, I didn't work him so it is a non issue at the moment. 

Thanks,

Fred, KC9QQ

Don't they cut the culprit's hands off when caught stealing in Iran?

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: W6GX on February 20, 2013, 11:57:38 AM
He should open a Paypal account or have clublog host an OQSL.  I wonder if there are any restrictions doing so from Iran.

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: NU1O on February 20, 2013, 12:41:50 PM
He should open a Paypal account or have clublog host an OQSL.  I wonder if there are any restrictions doing so from Iran.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

From my comfortable home in the USA I am not going to question the motives of a fellow ham who lives in a police state. He knows what $9 is worth. The average wage in Iran is about $500 a month.

Since he is active on the ham bands and talking to Western countries my guess is he has a good reason for his QSL policy. If he was really out for money he could charge $25 a card and he'd have people waiting in line to pay it.

My only Iranian QSL is from a QSO in 2001 and that ham had a European manager. Out of curiosity I just looked him up on QRZ and he has the same QSL manager and he gives his PO Box in Iran. I worked an Iranian in 2011 and his QRZ page has no address except his city and province and he did not answer my emails. He did QSL using eQSL so he is QSling, just not the way I'd prefer.

Here is a question for the group:

What is the most you would be willing to pay for a QSL card?

If the particular QSL would make Honor Roll or #1 HR for you, would you break your normal limit by twice, triple?

73,

Chris/NU1O



Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: KE8G on February 20, 2013, 02:30:41 PM
He should open a Paypal account or have clublog host an OQSL.  I wonder if there are any restrictions doing so from Iran.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

From my comfortable home in the USA I am not going to question the motives of a fellow ham who lives in a police state. He knows what $9 is worth. The average wage in Iran is about $500 a month.

Since he is active on the ham bands and talking to Western countries my guess is he has a good reason for his QSL policy. If he was really out for money he could charge $25 a card and he'd have people waiting in line to pay it.

My only Iranian QSL is from a QSO in 2001 and that ham had a European manager. Out of curiosity I just looked him up on QRZ and he has the same QSL manager and he gives his PO Box in Iran. I worked an Iranian in 2011 and his QRZ page has no address except his city and province and he did not answer my emails. He did QSL using eQSL so he is QSling, just not the way I'd prefer.

Here is a question for the group:

What is the most you would be willing to pay for a QSL card?

If the particular QSL would make Honor Roll or #1 HR for you, would you break your normal limit by twice, triple?

73,

Chris/NU1O



Chris,
The most I would be willing to pay is $5-$6.... no more.  From another posting, you already know how I feel about not "having" to work all DX and it being nothing more than a hobby!!

Now, contributions for DXpeditions is another matter.... I sent them in as an individual and as a member of the Northern Ohio DX Association.  My club is ALWAYS supporting multiple DXpeditions every year and that is what my dues and other contributions help to pay for!

73 de Jim - KE8G


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: W6GX on February 20, 2013, 02:57:28 PM
There are two ways to look at this.  Individual hams whom I make a contact with don't have incurred expenses other than postage.  Normally I buy foreign stamps so they get nothing in terms of 'donation'.  I don't believe individual hams should get or ask for donations unless they are on a solo dxpedition (i.e. Vlad Bykov).  I would think that most hams here would agree that a QSL should be a courtesy and not a money-making venture.  For dxpeditions I firmly believe in sending a donation on top of the postage expense.  My donation amount ranges between $10 to $20.

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: WD4ELG on February 20, 2013, 04:59:58 PM
I agree with AE5X.  $9 for an ATNO at this stage of my DX career (there are only rare ones left) is not excessive.  I try to donate that much to DXpeditions that I am able to work, as a way of saying thanks for enriching my hobby.  At this point in my life, it's all about ham radio.  No new cars, no fine wines or single malts (no booze at all), no boat, just the XYL and the animals.


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: K4HB on February 21, 2013, 07:41:13 AM
The question was brought up, "How much are you willing to pay for a QSL card?" Personally, it depends on how much I want the card. But more importantly, it depends on if I believe the DX station really needs what is asked to return a card. There's still countries that can return a card for $1 and have some left over to put in their pockets. If sending rounded off dollar amounts, Paraguay requires $4, and those in Papua New Guinea need $5 to return a card airmail. Thought I had seen it all until Iran increased their rates. According to their official postage site and the current exchange rate, it takes $13 to send airmail to the states, and $10 to send surface mail. Their rates are determined by distance in groups 1-5, and the US is in group 5. Someone asked about Cuba and Venezuela. According to their chart, those countries are also in group 5. Iran's rates, a link to their official postage site, and a link that explains the 5 groups can be found here. There's a currency calculator at the bottom of the page.

http://www.k4hb.com/postage.html (http://www.k4hb.com/postage.html)

So for myself, I'll pay what an op asks if I want the card and believe the amount asked is justified. There's some out there stuffing their pockets by asking for more than necessary. They may be a notch above those who will pocket the money and not QSL at all, but they are still operating a business. There's an op in New Caledonia who wants $3, when $2 is more than enough for airmail. I worked him on 6 meters exactly a year ago today when we had a rare opening. I worked him previously on another band and sent an SASE with his country's stamp and he sent my card via the buro. So if I ever send him a card for that 6M contact, it will be via the buro AFTER I get one from him. So a QSL may never happen. I would love to have the card, but I'm not sending him $3 knowing $2 will work. As for using stamps, I use them for places I don't think green stamps are secure. But there's some that state on their QRZed page not to send them. Stamps don't leave anything to pocket. As for DXpeditions, they deserve some help for their expenses in putting one on the air. Individual ops operating from the comfort of their homes only need what is required for postage.

As for EP3SMH, I won't work him unless he gets a manager or gets on LoTW. If I needed Iran for an ATNO, then I may send him $10. If I thought he was just ripping people off I wouldn't send him anything, but according to Iran's postage site, he is correct in what he asks. I did some searches for hams in Iran who have managers or are on LoTW. The pickings are slim. I found only one who uploads to LoTW. I found some with managers, but thinned things out when searching for the last date they were spotted on the air. Looks like EP3MJ and EP3PK are our best chances unless we want to pay big bucks for a card.

EP3MJ via IK2DUW  Last spotted Jan 2013
EP3PK via IK2DUW (LoTW) Last spotted Jan 2013
EP4HR via I2MQP   Last spotted Apr 2010
EP4SP via OK1DOT  Last spotted Dec 2010

And if you prefer eQSL, EP4RF is the one to work.

73 es Gud DX,
Hal  K4HB







Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: NU1O on February 22, 2013, 09:29:14 AM
The question was brought up, "How much are you willing to pay for a QSL card?" Personally, it depends on how much I want the card. But more importantly, it depends on if I believe the DX station really needs what is asked to return a card. There's still countries that can return a card for $1 and have some left over to put in their pockets. If sending rounded off dollar amounts, Paraguay requires $4, and those in Papua New Guinea need $5 to return a card airmail. Thought I had seen it all until Iran increased their rates. According to their official postage site and the current exchange rate, it takes $13 to send airmail to the states, and $10 to send surface mail. Their rates are determined by distance in groups 1-5, and the US is in group 5. Someone asked about Cuba and Venezuela. According to their chart, those countries are also in group 5. Iran's rates, a link to their official postage site, and a link that explains the 5 groups can be found here. There's a currency calculator at the bottom of the page.

http://www.k4hb.com/postage.html (http://www.k4hb.com/postage.html)

................

73 es Gud DX,
Hal  K4HB


Hal,

Kudos on a very well thought out and researched reply and thanks for finding the answer to my question about Iranian postal rates to Cuba and Venezuela. 

I looked at the Iranian chart which is supposed to determine postal rates by distance and it didn't make much sense.  Croatia and Poland were in zone 2 while nearby Germany and Austria are in zone 4. For a country which has traditionally subsidized many products they don't seem to care whether their citizens can send letters abroad but I don't find that surprising.

I give you credit for sticking to your principles when it comes to QSLing. I really don't know where I'd draw the line if I needed a really important QSL. 

I really don't mind if a station with very little money makes a little profit from QSLing since it may make the difference whether they stay on the air or not, but I don't like to see hams in wealthy countries profiting from their QSL operation.

Welcome to the forum!

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: VE3YF on February 22, 2013, 03:28:58 PM
The question was brought up, "How much are you willing to pay for a QSL card?" Personally, it depends on how much I want the card. But more importantly, it depends on if I believe the DX station really needs what is asked to return a card. There's still countries that can return a card for $1 and have some left over to put in their pockets. If sending rounded off dollar amounts, Paraguay requires $4, and those in Papua New Guinea need $5 to return a card airmail. Thought I had seen it all until Iran increased their rates. According to their official postage site and the current exchange rate, it takes $13 to send airmail to the states, and $10 to send surface mail. Their rates are determined by distance in groups 1-5, and the US is in group 5. Someone asked about Cuba and Venezuela. According to their chart, those countries are also in group 5. Iran's rates, a link to their official postage site, and a link that explains the 5 groups can be found here. There's a currency calculator at the bottom of the page.

http://www.k4hb.com/postage.html (http://www.k4hb.com/postage.html)

................

73 es Gud DX,
Hal  K4HB


Hal,

Kudos on a very well thought out and researched reply and thanks for finding the answer to my question about Iranian postal rates to Cuba and Venezuela. 

I looked at the Iranian chart which is supposed to determine postal rates by distance and it didn't make much sense.  Croatia and Poland were in zone 2 while nearby Germany and Austria are in zone 4. For a country which has traditionally subsidized many products they don't seem to care whether their citizens can send letters abroad but I don't find that surprising.

I give you credit for sticking to your principles when it comes to QSLing. I really don't know where I'd draw the line if I needed a really important QSL. 

I really don't mind if a station with very little money makes a little profit from QSLing since it may make the difference whether they stay on the air or not, but I don't like to see hams in wealthy countries profiting from their QSL operation.

Welcome to the forum!

73,

Chris/NU1O

I sent an email to Mohsen to confirm our contacts dating back to 2001. He promptly came back and confirmed our QSO's and also mentioned to read his QRZ page. I sent what he asked since I wanted to get confirmation in CW, SSB and RTTY. I even went the extra mile to send registered. Quite the expensive venture, $10 + IRC and then Postage of almost $2 + $14 to get it registered. At this rate I wont be getting too many more band/mode fills other than the 3 contacts that I have. Thought I should do this prior to me retiring and being on a fixed income. Hopefully soon I can report on the whole situation. Stay Tuned.

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: W2IRT on February 26, 2013, 11:23:59 AM
I guess the key issues is whether or not has anybody gotten a card back from Moshen yet. I worked him in 2010 on 15 SSB (new band) and just now on 20m CW (new mode). I don't mind doing that once but before I send ~$22 into the black hole I want to know whether or not I'm likely to get a reply!


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on February 26, 2013, 02:01:41 PM
With the way things are between Iran and the USA I am surprised that any money ever makes it to the Ham Ops in Iran.  I would imagine that every single letter from or to the USA is opened and read!  That means that the examiner must be someone with ethics if he does not pocket the $10 in the envelope.

On another topic, I saw a CNN news article last week about how popular the USA Wrestling team is in Iran and that they go there every year for a good will tournament.  I wonder if someone with a connection to the USA team could see if a USA DXpedition could tag along with next years team.  I don't think it could hurt to ask the USA team managers and see if Iran would allow it.  Also why can't the Chinese Hams see if they can get permission for a dxpedition? Both countries seem to be such good buddies.


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: NU1O on February 27, 2013, 07:14:50 AM
I guess the key issues is whether or not has anybody gotten a card back from Moshen yet. I worked him in 2010 on 15 SSB (new band) and just now on 20m CW (new mode). I don't mind doing that once but before I send ~$22 into the black hole I want to know whether or not I'm likely to get a reply!
Pete,

There are two angry Europeans lashing out at him in the comment section of DX Summit.  One is warning people to save their money and the other is calling him a not so nice name.  He clearly has pissed some folks off.  I wonder how active the Iranian who uses LoTW is?

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: AD9DX on February 27, 2013, 07:34:14 AM
I guess the key issues is whether or not has anybody gotten a card back from Moshen yet. I worked him in 2010 on 15 SSB (new band) and just now on 20m CW (new mode). I don't mind doing that once but before I send ~$22 into the black hole I want to know whether or not I'm likely to get a reply!
Pete,

There are two angry Europeans lashing out at him in the comment section of DX Summit.  One is warning people to save their money and the other is calling him a not so nice name.  He clearly has pissed some folks off.  I wonder how active the Iranian who uses LoTW is?

73,

Chris/NU1O

EP3PK is reasonably active. Maybe once a quarter. I have emailed him in the past and got a response within a week. Couldn't get our times coordinated to do a sked. I think if I take a week off of work this year, I will make it my goal to get him. For some reason I have a hard time hearing that part of Asia.


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: AF5CC on February 27, 2013, 08:00:19 AM
The first time I worked ABu-Baker, 5A1A, I sent the QSL registered mail, as he asked for, and it was $12 postage or something like that.  Don't remember how much I had to enclose in it for return postage. You want a new one confirmed, you do what it takes.

I have a QSL from EP3SMH back in 2001.  Can't remember how much return postage I needed or how I sent it there.  He did send me back a sticker of the Iranian flag along with the QSL.

John AF5CC


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: KY6R on February 27, 2013, 11:45:50 AM
A year ago, I worked Pooyan, EP3PK. He is a very nice fellow, and he is working on replacing his dipole (20M Extended Double Zepp way up high) with a wire beam with all upper bands.

My advice is to follow spots for him - especially starting in the latter part of March.

Last year, conditions from the West Coast did not allow a Q from December until March - when right during mid - month - all of a sudden I heard his QRS CW - and almost fell out of my chair.

He is a good CW op - but it is QRS. I'm glad it was, because it was distinctive, clear and kinda "surreal".

You guys know how that goes - you listen for some rare DX on a difficult path and hear nothing for months, and then "one fine day". . . . .

The solar "numbers" were SSN = 80 SFU = 141  KP = 2  - so - it was quiet. The QSO was not too long after sunrise, so it might have been greyline - definately on the SP. I did not hear him on the LP. I was running 800 watts and a Cushcraft A3S up 45'.

He had been working East Coast and up through Central states from December to March - but then, the West Coast finally had a turn.



Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: AB3CX on February 27, 2013, 07:23:25 PM
I had started one of the other threads on this subject a few days ago after working Iran for an ATNO.  My plan is to try something unusual.  I have in laws in Japan. I am going to send my card, "SAE" and some $$$ to my in laws, have them mail my contents in a letter of Japanese origin and writing to EP3SMH, with the return going to Japan. My guess is the Iranian inspectors may not bother with such a letter.  Will let you know.


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: W6GX on February 27, 2013, 08:43:20 PM
I had started one of the other threads on this subject a few days ago after working Iran for an ATNO.  My plan is to try something unusual.  I have in laws in Japan. I am going to send my card, "SAE" and some $$$ to my in laws, have them mail my contents in a letter of Japanese origin and writing to EP3SMH, with the return going to Japan. My guess is the Iranian inspectors may not bother with such a letter.  Will let you know.

Before you do anything you should write him a note asking what is the safest way to QSL him.  And whether sending GS in a letter will be confiscated.  I'm sure he will know the answer.  GL and congrats on an ATNO.  I NEED to devise a way to work EP.  Moving to the East Coast is not an option!

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: VE3YF on March 18, 2013, 02:09:25 PM
I had started one of the other threads on this subject a few days ago after working Iran for an ATNO.  My plan is to try something unusual.  I have in laws in Japan. I am going to send my card, "SAE" and some $$$ to my in laws, have them mail my contents in a letter of Japanese origin and writing to EP3SMH, with the return going to Japan. My guess is the Iranian inspectors may not bother with such a letter.  Will let you know.

Before you do anything you should write him a note asking what is the safest way to QSL him.  And whether sending GS in a letter will be confiscated.  I'm sure he will know the answer.  GL and congrats on an ATNO.  I NEED to devise a way to work EP.  Moving to the East Coast is not an option!

73,
Jonathan W6GX

An Update:

Just got an email today from Mohsen. He has received my card ok, but they are just starting their New Year festivities so there will be a slight delay in getting his card out. Things are looking good though. As mentioned in my previous post it was expensive but since it covered 3 modes (CW/SSB/RTTY) I think the added cost is worth it.

Mohsen did mention in his email that he also got a card from K8CCP, but Virgil has no email address attached to his QRZ Page, so if anyone knows Virgil, pass onto to him that EP3SMH (Mohsen) received his card as well.

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: KF6ABU on March 18, 2013, 04:35:31 PM
There was another thread on this subject.  I had thought of the same thing until Zack brought up this info. to the group.  See http://www.k4hb.com/postage.html

I wouldn't mind paying $9 for a QSL if I had worked EP for an ATNO.  I couldn't hear him this morning but of course it's too early for an opening on 10m here in CO :'(

73,
Jonathan W6GX


It wouldn't bother me at all to pay his outgoing postal rate in exchange for a QSL card....


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: AF3Y on March 18, 2013, 05:03:34 PM
There was another thread on this subject.  I had thought of the same thing until Zack brought up this info. to the group.  See http://www.k4hb.com/postage.html

I wouldn't mind paying $9 for a QSL if I had worked EP for an ATNO.  I couldn't hear him this morning but of course it's too early for an opening on 10m here in CO :'(

73,
Jonathan W6GX


It wouldn't bother me at all to pay his outgoing postal rate in exchange for a QSL card....

I still have never heard EP or AP..... dont know why, cause I have worked all around them.  Oh well, some day...... maybe.  Does either work CW?

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: VE3YF on March 18, 2013, 05:09:22 PM
There was another thread on this subject.  I had thought of the same thing until Zack brought up this info. to the group.  See http://www.k4hb.com/postage.html

I wouldn't mind paying $9 for a QSL if I had worked EP for an ATNO.  I couldn't hear him this morning but of course it's too early for an opening on 10m here in CO :'(

73,
Jonathan W6GX


It wouldn't bother me at all to pay his outgoing postal rate in exchange for a QSL card....

I still have never heard EP or AP..... dont know why, cause I have worked all around them.  Oh well, some day...... maybe.  Does either work CW?

73, Gene AF3Y

Gene:

AP2MB can be found on SSB most weekends, and he usually has a good signal. If memory serves me correct he can be found on 15m. Moshen (EP3SMH) is also on, but not as frequently and he is on 20/15/10 in all modes.

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: VE3YF on April 19, 2013, 08:32:06 AM
The question was brought up, "How much are you willing to pay for a QSL card?" Personally, it depends on how much I want the card. But more importantly, it depends on if I believe the DX station really needs what is asked to return a card. There's still countries that can return a card for $1 and have some left over to put in their pockets. If sending rounded off dollar amounts, Paraguay requires $4, and those in Papua New Guinea need $5 to return a card airmail. Thought I had seen it all until Iran increased their rates. According to their official postage site and the current exchange rate, it takes $13 to send airmail to the states, and $10 to send surface mail. Their rates are determined by distance in groups 1-5, and the US is in group 5. Someone asked about Cuba and Venezuela. According to their chart, those countries are also in group 5. Iran's rates, a link to their official postage site, and a link that explains the 5 groups can be found here. There's a currency calculator at the bottom of the page.

http://www.k4hb.com/postage.html (http://www.k4hb.com/postage.html)

................

73 es Gud DX,
Hal  K4HB


Hal,

Kudos on a very well thought out and researched reply and thanks for finding the answer to my question about Iranian postal rates to Cuba and Venezuela. 

I looked at the Iranian chart which is supposed to determine postal rates by distance and it didn't make much sense.  Croatia and Poland were in zone 2 while nearby Germany and Austria are in zone 4. For a country which has traditionally subsidized many products they don't seem to care whether their citizens can send letters abroad but I don't find that surprising.

I give you credit for sticking to your principles when it comes to QSLing. I really don't know where I'd draw the line if I needed a really important QSL. 

I really don't mind if a station with very little money makes a little profit from QSLing since it may make the difference whether they stay on the air or not, but I don't like to see hams in wealthy countries profiting from their QSL operation.

Welcome to the forum!

73,

Chris/NU1O

I sent an email to Mohsen to confirm our contacts dating back to 2001. He promptly came back and confirmed our QSO's and also mentioned to read his QRZ page. I sent what he asked since I wanted to get confirmation in CW, SSB and RTTY. I even went the extra mile to send registered. Quite the expensive venture, $10 + IRC and then Postage of almost $2 + $14 to get it registered. At this rate I wont be getting too many more band/mode fills other than the 3 contacts that I have. Thought I should do this prior to me retiring and being on a fixed income. Hopefully soon I can report on the whole situation. Stay Tuned.

73 De Mike
VE3YF


I received a card in the mail this morning from Moshen (EP3SMJ), Iran now confirmed on 2 Bands and 3 Modes. Well worth the wait and expense. Tnx Moshen.

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: AJ4RW on April 19, 2013, 10:06:33 AM
Thanks for sharing that with me.  I hope he gets the envelope/card I sent him.  I sure got a financial surprise when I sent it registered.  I should get a thank you letter from the post office for that contribution.  I guess if you want to play, you got to pay.  :)

Randy


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: AF3Y on April 19, 2013, 10:31:53 AM
Thanks for sharing that with me.  I hope he gets the envelope/card I sent him.  I sure got a financial surprise when I sent it registered.  I should get a thank you letter from the post office for that contribution.  I guess if you want to play, you got to pay.  :)

Randy

I jus wish I could WORK him.... I would not worry at all about the $$ to get the card. 7 Years and no luck yet.  I hear him on SSB now and then, but usually too weak.
73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: VE3YF on April 19, 2013, 12:04:31 PM
Thanks for sharing that with me.  I hope he gets the envelope/card I sent him.  I sure got a financial surprise when I sent it registered.  I should get a thank you letter from the post office for that contribution.  I guess if you want to play, you got to pay.  :)

Randy

Randy:

He will contact you via email when he receives your mail. To be on the safe side, just send him an email and he will give you the status. He even sent a jpg of the actual card prior to sending it out. Tnx.

73 De Mike
VE3YF


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: AJ4RW on April 19, 2013, 12:45:15 PM
Mike, this was the second time for me.  I sent the first one and didn't register it at the post office and consequently it didn't make it to him.  I hope when the postal worker spends the money they at least say thanks!  I'll probably give him another month before I contact him.  Mohsen was really prompt on his response with a very nice email the first time I contacted him.  I haven't work many from Iran with no confirmation yet and would like a QSL card.

Randy


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: K7CO on April 19, 2013, 08:25:33 PM
I too recently received my card from Mohsen. So the registered mail worked for this guy.


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on April 20, 2013, 10:26:16 AM
I worked EP3MJ last week and I was just wondering if anybody got a card from him in the past?
His QRZ info with his Italian DX manager looks like it should be no problem but if someone has some experience with this please let me know.  Thanks.



Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: N5MOA on April 20, 2013, 07:43:47 PM
I worked EP3MJ last week and I was just wondering if anybody got a card from him in the past?
His QRZ info with his Italian DX manager looks like it should be no problem but if someone has some experience with this please let me know.  Thanks.



IK2DUW is also the manager for YI1RZ. Took about 2 weeks to get that one back in 2011. You shouldn't have any problem.


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: KD8MJR on April 21, 2013, 03:46:22 PM
I worked EP3MJ last week and I was just wondering if anybody got a card from him in the past?
His QRZ info with his Italian DX manager looks like it should be no problem but if someone has some experience with this please let me know.  Thanks.



IK2DUW is also the manager for YI1RZ. Took about 2 weeks to get that one back in 2011. You shouldn't have any problem.

That's great news  ;D  Thanks for the reply.

73's


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: N2RJ on April 21, 2013, 04:21:57 PM
Anyone ever worked EP2FA and got a QSL? His address in QRZ is only "Tehran"


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: N5MOA on April 21, 2013, 04:31:54 PM
Anyone ever worked EP2FA and got a QSL? His address in QRZ is only "Tehran"

No and no, but his qrz info shows a p.o. box.

And an email address.


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: N2RJ on April 21, 2013, 04:48:34 PM
Oh now it does. Last I checked a few weeks ago it didn't. I'll email him. Thanks.


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: LA5HE on April 23, 2016, 08:55:26 AM
With the advent of the LY-gang operating EP2A our problems should be over. They have good signals on most bands, even on 160 ! Excellent CW operators !

Clublog updated daily and I would expect timely upload to LOTW also!

73  Rag   LA5HE


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: K1ZJH on April 23, 2016, 09:51:11 AM
According to K4HB's International postage rate list:

http://www.k4hb.com/postage.html

International postage from Iran to the US is $12.50 (Holy S%&#!!!)

And it is currently illegal to mail US currency to Iran:

http://pe.usps.com/text/imm/il_004.htm#ep1384388

But as posted earlier, how excited are postal inspectors and federal prosecuters going to get over $9?

73,

Don, K2DC


From one of the sites quote above:

Iran   226,000 Rial (US & OC)   1 USD = 24,653 Rial   Iran Post Company

Cold day in hell when I would spend 9 bucks for a QSL card.

Pete


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: N2RJ on April 23, 2016, 06:46:47 PM
Moot point now with EP2FA. Doesn't answer emails I sent to him. I worked  EP6T for the ATNO and EP2A on 20m where I had worked EP2FA so I don't need him on 20.


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: KC2QYM on April 26, 2016, 09:02:44 AM
All you DX desperados make me laugh.  You would do anything you could to confirm a contact with the criminal police state of Iran.  Do you really think that one gets an amateur radio operators license in Iran without a direct link and affiliation with the repressive regime there? I have an Iranian friend whose uncle was a ham during the Shah's regime and when the religious zealots took power the government lackies showed up at his home and confiscated all his equipment including antennas, coax, etc. That's right, no connection to the government in Iran, no license privileges.  Yet you fools continue to race after Iranian contacts without any moral compass and hide behind the friendship/good will BS story to substantiate your fetish to clinch an Iranian QSL card.  Pathetic, willing fools a plenty in the US ham radio community continue to legitimize criminal nations by paying homage to their apparatchik hams.


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: NN3W on April 26, 2016, 09:10:47 AM
According to K4HB's International postage rate list:

http://www.k4hb.com/postage.html

International postage from Iran to the US is $12.50 (Holy S%&#!!!)

And it is currently illegal to mail US currency to Iran:

http://pe.usps.com/text/imm/il_004.htm#ep1384388

But as posted earlier, how excited are postal inspectors and federal prosecuters going to get over $9?

73,

Don, K2DC


From one of the sites quote above:

Iran   226,000 Rial (US & OC)   1 USD = 24,653 Rial   Iran Post Company

Cold day in hell when I would spend 9 bucks for a QSL card.

Pete

No worries.  EP6T and EP2A made needing a QSL from EP3SMH a non-issue.


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: WO7R on April 28, 2016, 10:47:13 AM
Quote
Pathetic, willing fools a plenty in the US ham radio community continue to legitimize criminal nations by paying homage to their apparatchik hams.

So, would you (did you) work anyone in the Soviet System during the Cold War?  What about South Africa during apartheid?  Israel today, according to some?  Are you one of those?

Do you have this list we need to see of acceptable and non-acceptable regimes so we know who to boycott in 2016 and someplace to go in case it changes?


Title: RE: EP3SMH Iran
Post by: KD0PO on April 28, 2016, 01:40:53 PM
Quote
Pathetic, willing fools a plenty in the US ham radio community continue to legitimize criminal nations by paying homage to their apparatchik hams.

So, would you (did you) work anyone in the Soviet System during the Cold War?  What about South Africa during apartheid?  Israel today, according to some?  Are you one of those?

Do you have this list we need to see of acceptable and non-acceptable regimes so we know who to boycott in 2016 and someplace to go in case it changes?


and of course there's Cuba, El Salvador, East Germany, Nicaragua and many many more... It hss to be all or none.