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Title: S01MZ active
Post by: NU1O on February 20, 2013, 10:43:35 AM
I think S01MZ is a resident amateur from Western Sahara but I have not heard him before. He is currently on 20 meters with a strong signal -14.297 - and with the huge pileup you'd expect for a S0 station.  I broke through a few minutes ago. He is primarily working ECUSA and Western Europe.

He is working simplex so be prepared for some fun.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: W6GX on February 20, 2013, 11:53:23 AM
I heard him too but I decided not to jump into the fray with all those CB'ers.  Plus he's not that strong here in CO so my chances are pretty much nil.  Can you imagine S01 on SSB running simplex?  I did work him recently on 15m and only god knows how he came back to me ;D

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: NU1O on February 20, 2013, 01:04:54 PM
I heard him too but I decided not to jump into the fray with all those CB'ers.  Plus he's not that strong here in CO so my chances are pretty much nil.  Can you imagine S01 on SSB running simplex?  I did work him recently on 15m and only god knows how he came back to me ;D

73,
Jonathan W6GX

I think Martii Laine invented the phrase, "The ham running the pileup is responsible for the way the pileup behaves."  Or words which maybe similar. Although the S0 station had a decent signal here the boys from 4 and 5 land were 30 dB stronger and I know they had the same problem with signals from my area.  It was extremely hard to hear who S01MZ went back to. Also, he had signals coming at him from the US, Europe, and South Africa. I think most people talking over him simply couldn't hear him. I did not hear any jamming or tuning up while I was listening.

The $64K qustion is why he wasn't running split.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: AF3Y on February 20, 2013, 01:54:11 PM
I have not heard the pileup, and dont need W.Sahara, but I DO wonder why a number 109 ranking on the clublog want list would command such a pile up as you describe.

I know I continue to poo poo these African stations, but I guess its cause I worked most of them already. AND HEY.......... I am a much newer DXer than many of you.  Yep, I need E3 and a few of the French islands.  I do have Glorioso tho........

BTW....... I ALSO have Monk Apollo confirmed on SSB and CW.. heh heh heh 8) shamless brag.

GL To all needing W. Sahara...

73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: HS0ZIB on February 20, 2013, 04:48:24 PM
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The $64K qustion is why he wasn't running split.

Perhaps his rig doesn't offer split operation?  Perhaps he cannot afford a flashy, split-operation rig? Many people, (myself included), prefer to construct their own simple rigs.  If I ever get my XZ licence, then I too will be operating simplex!

Simon


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: WD4ELG on February 20, 2013, 04:53:42 PM
Simon, PLEASE tell me you are not going to operate simplex.  That will be a zoo of unparalleled proportions, and it will frustrate you to the point of shutting down your rig.  What can we do to help?  Do you need a YASME or NCDXCC donation or a loaner rig for receive? 


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: WD4ELG on February 20, 2013, 04:55:14 PM
Chris, nice job.  It was total chaos on the frequency, I wanted a bandfill but not bad enough to fight that pandemonium.  The op was doing a good job running the stations, but he cannot control poor operators who cannot hear him or refuse to behave in a reasonable fashion.


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: WA2VUY on February 20, 2013, 06:36:03 PM
S01MZ was active at least back to 1993.

The other "locals" were (are) S01A and S01AB.


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: AF5C on February 20, 2013, 07:22:05 PM
Glad I have S0 confirmed on 20 SSB, as well as 20 PSK and 30m CW (shameless plug for myself).  There haven't been any recent DXpeditions to Western Sahara that I know of.  All the stuff I worked was 2003 or before.  Any ideas why the lack of recent DXpeditions?

John AF5CC


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: NU1O on February 20, 2013, 09:07:01 PM
Chris, nice job.  It was total chaos on the frequency, I wanted a bandfill but not bad enough to fight that pandemonium.  The op was doing a good job running the stations, but he cannot control poor operators who cannot hear him or refuse to behave in a reasonable fashion.

Mark,

I broke the pileup with only 3 or 4 calls and he went QRT right after I wrote the message in this forum so I can only report on what I heard during a 5 to 10 minute period. I was a CBer in my teens so although  I'm not 100% sure what Jonathan meant by "all those CBers", I do know what the CB bands sounded like back in the 1970's and early 80's. Generally, when one talks about CB-type behavior I assume they mean foul language, reverb effects, beeps at the end of a transmission, people throwing carriers, and all that colorful language you hear in a movie like "Smokey and the Bandit" that hams can't stand.

I did not hear any of the behavior I described above while I was listening to S01MZ.  I heard S01MZ at 10 dB over S9. He was stronger than the European stations on frequency because I had my beam slightly south of him at 100 degrees so it had a neglible effect on his signal but my beam was far enough off Western Europe to have attenuated those stations to signal strengths lower than his.

My biggest problem was from several stations down South who were at least 30 over S9 here but they were simply throwing their calls into the pileup and listening for a reply which was what I was doing. They were well mannered, just very strong.

The stations in the US that worked him - most of whom were up and down the East coast - before me had a strong enough copy on him to be able to copy him over the European stations and they made fast QSOs.  When he called me the guys in 4 and 5 land had stopped calling so he was in the clear. I talked over the Europeans and the QSO was done in a few seconds. Since I always give my complete call the S0 came back to my full call and I did not have to repeat anything.  It was a very easy QSO for me but I was running 1500 watts to the Skyhawk and that beam has a lot of side rejection. If I had heard the Europeans stronger than S01MZ I would not have entered the pileup.

HS0ZIB  wrote, "Perhaps he cannot afford a flashy, split-operation rig?"  My current rig is a K3 but my backup rigs are an Icom 735 and an Icom 720A. Those rigs date back to 1985 and 1980 and they both have split frequency capability.  I'm pretty sure both rigs can be bought for under $500, and I've seen the 720A priced at $350. Those are NOT splashy or expensive rigs!

Mark, I was in and out of the pileup real quick and I heard a station from your state work him very quickly. Did you actually hear CB behavior with the swearing and jamming, or did you hear many stations transmitting on the same frequency with the DX station often covered up? There is a world of difference.

73,

Chris/NU1O



Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: W6GX on February 20, 2013, 09:18:35 PM
Hi Chris,

What I meant by CB'ers are those people who don't follow the DX code of conduct.  This means calling over a QSO.  The pile up is larger than you realize because the strong signal from S01 masked the hoards of people calling right on top of your QSO.  From my end the pile up never abated even when S01 was transmitting.  If you were in my shoes you wouldn't jump into it either, no matter what antenna/amplifier you have.  One simply couldn't make a contact when the DX station is S5 and the callers are 20 over S9 on a simplex frequency; you would never hear your call even if he comes back to you.  When I made my 15m contact with him he was also S5.  The only difference was that I couldn't hear most of the pile up, either because there were only a few callers or I was on the back side of the callers' beam.  This allowed me with a opportunity to hear my call without much QRM.

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: NU1O on February 20, 2013, 09:25:48 PM

Perhaps his rig doesn't offer split operation?  Perhaps he cannot afford a flashy, split-operation rig? Many people, (myself included), prefer to construct their own simple rigs.  If I ever get my XZ licence, then I too will be operating simplex!

Simon

If that is not a joke, I hope you never get a license to operate from Burma because everybody from my part of the country, and from many other parts of the globe, can forget about getting through. You may as well just state you are only going to work Chinese and Japanese stations 24/7 because  for the most part you will only be working Asian stations and some big guns from the West coast of the US.

Martii Laine has probably operated from more countries than anybody over the past 50 years and when he says the operator has to take responsibility for the pileup, I take him at his word.

Just about everyday I see guys who know how to work a pileup and those who don't. The operators who can't control a mob just cause chaos, aggravation and a lot of frustration.

Simon, if you get a license from Burma it will be a zoo if you operate split. If you ever operated simplex the QSO rate would drop to such low levels that on-air riots will break out. Why would you want to do that?

73,

Chris/NU1O



Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: NU1O on February 20, 2013, 09:35:03 PM
Hi Chris,

What I meant by CB'ers are those people who don't follow the DX code of conduct.  This means calling over a QSO.  The pile up is larger than you realize because the strong signal from S01 masked the hoards of people calling right on top of your QSO.  From my end the pile up never abated even when S01 was transmitting.  If you were in my shoes you wouldn't jump into it either, no matter what antenna/amplifier you have.  One simply couldn't make a contact when the DX station is S5 and the callers are 20 over S9 on a simplex frequency; you would never hear your call even if he comes back to you.  When I made my 15m contact with him his was also S5.  The only difference was that I couldn't hear most of the pile up, either because there were only a few callers or I was on the back side of the beam.  This allowed me with a opportunity to hear my call without much QRM.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Hi Jonathan,

I am glad you chimed in.

Who caused the problem?  Why shouldn't the Europeans call a DX station when he is strong at their location.  Some of us on the East Coast could null out Europe and our only problem was each other but while I was on everbody I heard in the US was simply throwing their call in once or twice and listening. From my vantage point it sounded like a pileup in the 80 meter DX window where they often work simplex.

You are not descrbing CB behavior. You are describing what always happens when a rare DX station works simplex.

73,

Chris/NU1O



Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: W6GX on February 20, 2013, 09:47:45 PM
Hi Chris,

What I meant by CB'ers are those people who don't follow the DX code of conduct.  This means calling over a QSO.  The pile up is larger than you realize because the strong signal from S01 masked the hoards of people calling right on top of your QSO.  From my end the pile up never abated even when S01 was transmitting.  If you were in my shoes you wouldn't jump into it either, no matter what antenna/amplifier you have.  One simply couldn't make a contact when the DX station is S5 and the callers are 20 over S9 on a simplex frequency; you would never hear your call even if he comes back to you.  When I made my 15m contact with him his was also S5.  The only difference was that I couldn't hear most of the pile up, either because there were only a few callers or I was on the back side of the beam.  This allowed me with a opportunity to hear my call without much QRM.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Hi Chris,

I couldn't hear the EU pile up.  All I could hear was the East Coast wall with 20 over S9 signals.

When I work Africa I never hear the EU pile up.  Remember I'm in Colorado so we have vastly different propagation to different parts of the world.  I guess it's rare for me, the East Coast, and the EU all have propagation to Africa on the same frequency at the same time.  Perhaps this is more of an exception rather than the rule; it didn't matter anyway since I couldn't hear the EU pile up.

73,
Jonathan W6GX
Hi Jonathan,

I am glad you chimed in.

Who caused the problem?  Why shouldn't the Europeans call a DX station when he is strong at their location.  Some of us on the East Coast could null out Europe and our only problem was each other but while I was on everbody I heard in the US was simply throwing their call in once or twice and listening. From my vantage point it sounded like a pileup in the 80 meter DX window where they often work simplex.

You are not descrbing CB behavior. You are describing what always happens when a rare DX station works simplex.

73,

Chris/NU1O




Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: NU1O on February 20, 2013, 10:36:53 PM
Hi Chris,

I couldn't hear the EU pile up.  All I could hear was the East Coast wall with 20 over S9 signals.

When I work Africa I never hear the EU pile up.  Remember I'm in Colorado so we have vastly different propagation to different parts of the world.  I guess it's rare for me, the East Coast, and the EU all have propagation to Africa on the same frequency at the same time.  Perhaps this is more of an exception rather than the rule; it didn't matter anyway since I couldn't hear the EU pile up.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Jonathan,

As I previously wrote, if the Europeans were stronger than the DX station I would not have entered the pileup. I knew I could work him based on his signal strength and hearing other 1 area stations work him easily. Like The Gambler says, "You have to know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em."  I had a playable hand from my location.

Assuming S01MZ couldn't operate split which I am not prepared to assume since even rigs built within the past 40 years have the ability, I don't understand why he didn't narrow the pileup down. He could've asked for Europeans only or US only. You may not want to say it but I will: the mess was created by the guy running the pileup.

What do you think will happen if Simon really operates simplex from Burma?  Nevermind us stations on the East Coast who wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell to work him, do you think you could work Burma simplex from Colorado when the Japanese, Chinese and Indonesian stations are just a sand wedge away?

The DX code of Conduct also includes the following:

I will respect my fellow hams and conduct myself so as to earn their respect.

Does a ham who refuses to operate split from a rare DX entity earn his colleagues respect if the result is chaos, frustration, and a lot of agita?

73,

Chris/NU1O





Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: EI2GLB on February 21, 2013, 01:07:03 AM
I need S0 for a ATNO and was home yesterday when he was active.

I am very upset with myself for missing him.

Very  >:( >:( >:(

Trevor
EI2GLB


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: N3QE on February 21, 2013, 03:25:31 AM
The $64K qustion is why he wasn't running split.

I have often wondered this question (about experienced well-known DX ops, especially middle east and asia on the low bands, 80/160) out loud as well.

The most informed responses I get, are to the effect that either

1: Callers are supposed to organize and behave themselves

or

2: The DX end may be dominated by industrial QRM or QRN, and he may not be able to hear all the callers the way that we can on our end

Both have some validity. I myself would welcome the DX going split earlier rather than later. Usually I'm just waiting on the edge of my seat, waiting for the DX to announce UP, and it is pretty sweet to work the DX the instant he goes split.


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: WD4ELG on February 21, 2013, 04:57:51 AM
Good points, Chris. 

I don't recall making any comments about CB'ers in my post (I got started that way as well as a teenager).  Apologies if I did.  My comment was only referring to the stations who continued to call without listening to the frequency, and who transmitted over the station that S0 was replying to...or just kept calling on top of the S0 station.  I had the same situation as Jonathan, and after listening for 5 minutes I "spun the dial" and decided it was a no-win.  Even if he did hear me, I was not going to be able to hear him. 

Maybe I have not heard a rare DX station operate simplex in awhile (S0 is not, IMHO, rare DX, but that's just me).  But I don't recall that level of chaos on SSB since the 3Y DXped in 1978 when half SSB band on 20 had stations calling him (yep, from 14200 to 14270) hoping they would get a response.  Nobody knew where he would reply to, and there was no single transmit fequency for the DX for split (apparently the method chosen was to operate simplex and just pick a frequency where someone was calling the DX and reply, then move on).  I did not have SSB xmit capability back then, but I remember saying that I was glad I did CW DX only.  Even the CW simplex DX I worked did not seem as chaotic back then, even if it wasn't split. (Also, Chris, I was a lot younger and more patient back then...I am an OT now and I get crabby sometimes!)

For me, the one thing that drives me bananas is when another station calls on top of the DX station (whether the DX is split or simplex).  That one behavior (which includes cops and tuner-uppers) is something I can tolerate for about 2-3 minutes, then I leave the frequency or the shack.  It happend Tue night on 80 and 40 CW with 9U4U.  I was able to come back Wed night and get them  on 40, luckily.  For whatever reason, it's like "nails on a chalkboard" for me and I don't get mad anymore...I just QRT to chase another day.

Back to the S0 station: from my QTH with my hex beam, the EU stations were S9 +20 and the S0 station was S5.  It took several minutes before I could actually hear his signal clear enough to hear him identify himself (did not want to call until I knew it was S0 and I heard the ID).  But by then I was at my limit.

I agree with N3QE, I am ready to pounce as soon as he/she says "split"

I envy your Skyhawk.

Thanks for your comments to Simon, Chris. I think we hams should do everything we can to help Simon succeed in his Burma quest.  I am confident the DX orgs would HAPPILY contribute a rig that has some sort of split capability.


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: HS0ZIB on February 21, 2013, 05:10:38 AM
@ WD4ELG

The offer of a rig is appreciated, but if anyone donates a rig or funds to help me, then I would feel somewhat morally obliged to agree to their wishes re QSOs, bands etc.

In any case, I'm still working away at the licence.  The previous telecoms boss in Myanmar is now under house-arrest and a new minister has just been installed. So I've dropped him a nice letter etc.  I expect he won't have time to meet me for a beer or two, but you never know... :)

Simon


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: WB3BEL on February 21, 2013, 05:43:34 AM
If you truly have an old enough rig that does not have split funtionality, often the RIT control can provide enough of a split to be useful.

I had an old Yaesu FT7 for a long time which had no split function.  I modified the RIT so that instead of ~+/-7 KHz it would tune 0 to - 14 KHz which would allow for me to TX up to +14K which was and still is the most common usage on the upper HF bands.


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: NU1O on February 21, 2013, 06:57:04 AM

Back to the S0 station: from my QTH with my hex beam, the EU stations were S9 +20 and the S0 station was S5.  It took several minutes before I could actually hear his signal clear enough to hear him identify himself (did not want to call until I knew it was S0 and I heard the ID).  But by then I was at my limit.

Good Morning Mark,

Based on what you and Jonathan are reporting I obviously did not hear the mess many other's heard. I also would've shut off the rig if I heard what you guys did.

I had no idea Western Sahara is so far up the list on the most wanted countries. I haven't heard a S0 station in the 2 1/2 years I've been active again and my only contact goes back to 1990. I don't even have those QSOs typed into my computer log yet.

We all make compromises, Mark. You have an antenna resonant on 5 bands while mine is only resonant on 3 bands. I guess I get more side rejection and more gain. I've never studied the specs for a Hex Beam but I will now out of curiosity.

Thanks for your comments to Simon, Chris. I think we hams should do everything we can to help Simon succeed in his Burma quest.  I am confident the DX orgs would HAPPILY contribute a rig that has some sort of split capability.

I have been rooting for Simon to get that Burmese license because I have never worked the country. His remark about working simplex really caught me by surprise. I thought he was joking but based on his post while I was sleeping it's now obvious he is not.

The first few days PT0S operated they were 15 to 20 wide and they were operating CW! They had the problem of copying Europe and North America at the same time just like S01MZ did yesterday. I did not enter the PT0S pileups until they thinned out.

I don't even want to contemplate what the band would sound like if a Burmese station operated simplex.  There is more demand for Burma than SPSP since it hasn't been activated for so long. If Simon gets the license he is aiming for I really hope somebody can convince him simplex is a very bad idea and the community should be able to provide a loaner. I would be willing to chip in for transportation costs in addition to my normal contribution.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: AF3Y on February 21, 2013, 07:44:21 AM

 All the stuff I worked was 2003 or before.  Any ideas why the lack of recent DXpeditions?

John AF5CC

S01MZ in 2008 andf S04R in 2009.  Both were easy, even in crap condx.
73, Gene AF3Y


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: N6PSE on February 21, 2013, 08:16:56 AM
I need S0 for an ATNO. I missed the 2009 DXpedition there. S01MZ is sporadically active but the east coast wall is mighty tough these days. Too many OM's chasing CQ Marathon and other annual awards.

As for Simon and Myanmar, there would be plenty of support if:
1) He obtained DXCC approval for his XZ1K activity.
2) Abandoned his simplex/PSK only stance.
3) Obtained a valid XZ license.


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: AJ4RW on February 21, 2013, 10:06:11 AM
I've heard him a couple of times in the past year and he's always working simplex.  Yes, there's always a massive pileup and the dx code of conduct got lost in the shuffle.  Some hams suffer from diarrhea of the mouth and they forgot how to listen.   The EU wall is pretty massive also.  The upside to the mess is that he QSls quickly, it took 2 months to get a return card and he's approved by the DXCC desk for credit according to them.


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: HS0ZIB on February 21, 2013, 04:56:36 PM
This is off-topic on this thread, but I'll quickly comment back.

Quote
As for Simon and Myanmar, there would be plenty of support if:
1) He obtained DXCC approval for his XZ1K activity.
2) Abandoned his simplex/PSK only stance.
3) Obtained a valid XZ license.

1 - I still hold the XZ1K call for operation from Tanintharyi State (southern Myanmar).  But unless I physically return to that region, (not planned), I cannot copy the licence paper from the military commander who has possession of it.

2 - If I manage to obtain an XZ licence for Yangon, my operation will be lowish power and low key - no large antennas, no high power.  I don't think some of you realise how 'sensitive' the operation of a radio transceiver by a foreigner is over here.  This country has internal armed conflict on both west and east sides.

3 - I'm sure that after I've done all the hard work to obtain a licence, everyone man and his dog will come out of the woodwork and praise me and offer to help.  That was made very clear to me by the almost total lack of support from your national radio clubs when I asked for a letter of support for my XZ licence request - (and I asked the ARRL, RSGB and more than 50 other national radio clubs on three separate occasions - the response was deafening).

So, with that sort of attitude from the radio clubs, are you hardly surprised that ham radio operation is now way down on my list of 'things to do' in Myanmar? Higher up the list is my charitable work for schools, my interest in learning Myanmar language, my wish to improve my ability to play the Lao Khaen musical instrument, my work to manage my Phuket hotels etc etc.

I feel sorry for those hams who have given me support so far, namely many Japanese radio hams and Stan KH6CG, and if I ever see this fabled XZ licence for Yangon, then I'll be sure to set up skeds with those guys.  But my QSOs will be made on the basis of 'search and pounce' and having a nice ragchew, not running thousands of QSOs a day just to give someone a new DXCC.

If that doesn't make you feel happy, can I politely suggest that you say goodbye to your wife and kids, (just like I did 9 months ago), pack your suitcase, find a paid job in Myanmar, and start doing your own hard work to get an XZ licence.

Simon


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: N6PSE on February 21, 2013, 05:10:34 PM
Simon, you are naive if you think these organizations are going to endorse you or any other ham. It does not work that way. I'm sure there is appreciation for your efforts. Results will bring even more appreciation.  As a fellow DXer, I can tell you that your family should always come first over amateur radio.   Lastly the finest rewards that you'll get for activating rare countries is the fun and friendships and great memories that you make along the way.


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: KF6ABU on February 21, 2013, 05:23:13 PM
I thought the lack of support was due to not participating in the bureau or lotw and demanding $5 for a qsl card.


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: HS0ZIB on February 21, 2013, 05:58:51 PM
Quote
I thought the lack of support was due to not participating in the bureau or lotw and demanding $5 for a qsl card.

I wasn't aware that there was a QSL bureau in Myanmar...
Why should I use LOTW when the vast majority of my contacts are in Asia and also do not use LOTW?
$5 for an online verification is entirely in line with other DX stations - nothing new there.  And you could always just send 1 IRC to my Thai mailing address for the QSL, (just like the Japanese hams who QSOd me as XZ1K did).

Anyway, this is all off-topic on this thread.

Simon



Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: W6GX on February 21, 2013, 06:33:39 PM
Quote
I thought the lack of support was due to not participating in the bureau or lotw and demanding $5 for a qsl card.

I wasn't aware that there was a QSL bureau in Myanmar...
Why should I use LOTW when the vast majority of my contacts are in Asia and also do not use LOTW?
$5 for an online verification is entirely in line with other DX stations - nothing new there.  And you could always just send 1 IRC to my Thai mailing address for the QSL, (just like the Japanese hams who QSOd me as XZ1K did).

Anyway, this is all off-topic on this thread.

Simon

Hi Simon,

I appreciate your efforts on activating a rare DXCC. IMHO the issue at heart is that this is the wrong forum for you. You see, most of us here are hard core dxers.  Your operating philosophy doesn't resonate well with most of us.  Your preferences of using low power and simplex operation aren't likely to give out a 'new one' to many across a wide geography. A true DXer will operate at odd times in order to take advantage of short band openings to hard-to-reach places. This is a lot to sacrifice for and it's not for everyone.  And big pile ups are not for everyone.  The DX community will embrace any operation that fits in the spirit of true DXing.  GL and best wishes to your endeavor.

73,
Jonathan W6GX


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: NU1O on February 21, 2013, 07:26:52 PM

Hi Simon,

I appreciate your efforts on activating a rare DXCC. IMHO the issue at heart is that this is the wrong forum for you. You see, most of us here are hard core dxers.  Your operating philosophy doesn't resonate well with most us.  Your preferences of using low power and simplex operation aren't likely to give out a 'new one' to many across a wide geography. A true DXer will operate at odd times in order to take advantage of short band openings to hard-to-reach places. This is a lot to sacrifice for and it's not for everyone.  And big pile ups are not for everyone.  The DX community will embrace any operation that fits in the spirit of true DXing.  GL and best wishes to your endeavor.

73,
Jonathan W6GX

Excellent response, Jonathan!

The typical hams who go on expeditions have one important goal in common:  to put the country they have activated into as many logbooks worldwide as possible. Paul, N6PSE, has done that for us DXers on numerous occasions.

You are correct. Simon is not a DXer like those in the forum. That low power, smallish antenna station, with skeds for the Japanese, simplex operation, and ragchew QSOs will only frustrate the hell out of those of us who just want to work the country for a new one.

Simon's primary goal was never to give out Burma to as many hams as possible, and now his priority has shifted from the radio to his charitable work, learning the language, learning some esoteric musical instrument, and managing his hotel chain. He is naturally free to do as he pleases with his time but I'm glad he made public his current intentions because we will need to support some other ham or group if we want to work Burma. I think it's going to be a long way off, however.

Simon asks why he should upload to LoTW when most of his contacts are in Asia and don't use LoTW. How about to make things easier for those who do use LoTW?  I don't have any use for e-QSL or QRZ.com verifications but I upload my log regularly to those sites because many other hams do have a use for them. Uploading a log is not a big deal. It takes me less than a minute and if it makes a few people happy the time is well spent.

I also want to add that when I donate money for an online QSL it is because the ham(s) specifically traveled to a country to put it on the air and he/she has incurred costs to travel to the place activated. Paying $5 to somebody who lives in a country and works there is simply providing that person with a very large profit. That violates the whole spirit of QSLing. I think of people like Razi, YI1IRZ, who could charge a fee for an upload to LoTW because he is the most active ham in Iraq. Yet, Razi does not charge anything to upload to LoTW and he has given Iraq to thousands. Razi obviously is not in the hobby to make money.

73,

Chris/NU1O


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: N6PSE on February 21, 2013, 08:14:51 PM
To further add to Chris's point, DXpeditions typically offer a $5 on-line QSL request (OQRS) for the mere convenience to the DX Community. All regular donors require that in addition to OQRS, they must accept direct and Bureau cards and must upload to LoTW within six months.

You will not receive financial support unless you agree to ALL of these terms. 


Title: RE: S01MZ active
Post by: HS0ZIB on February 22, 2013, 01:15:13 AM
Yes, I think Jonathan also states it correctly, which is why I am glad that there are others such as Paul and the Intrepid DX Group who are also trying to activate XZ. Good luck to them.

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it is because the ham(s) specifically traveled to a country to put it on the air

Well, that's exactly why I originally travelled to Myanmar!  I'm not living here by some coincidence :)  I originally travelled every few weeks from my home in Thailand to south Myanmar and was able to briefly operate as XZ1K.  But a longer stay in the country requires an employment visa and paying job.  So I had to move up to Yangon and find a job whilst I continued my efforts to obtain a new licence (licence issue is the responsibility of each state in Myanmar).

Finally, I have NEVER requested or sought financial support for this project.  I fund these efforts myself.  But I would appreciate 'moral' support from national radio organisations which could help to persuade the issuer of the XZ licence (the minister of telecoms & IT), of the good support for my efforts.

Simon