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Title: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9BB on February 22, 2013, 04:08:48 AM
Is it me, or does there just seem to be more and more dead beat buyers responding to postings on these swap board forums?
You know the type.  They want your item, tell you they will send you the funds and you never hear back or they just keep jacking you around for days/weeks....
My most recent experience (two in the past 3 months now) and I don't post that much stuff for sale, usually an excess item or something I bought and never really should have purchased to start with, but I recently posted a radio for sale and this KF5OFW contacts me and asks if I still have it as it is "exactly" what he is looking for.  I respond yes, still have it and he comes back with I will take it, and will be back in town on the weekend.  I said okay, I will hold it for you till then.

Well, you know the rest of the story.  I have to send "prompting" emails to find out what is going on.  First it is "won't be back in town until the weekend", then when prompted again, some mechanical problem (undefined), then when prompted again, Monday (18 Feb) is a holiday (yeah for Fed workers, banks, etc., but not for you??), then I can have my nephew pay you and you can drop it off with him, etc. etc. etc.etc.

This crap really gets old.  I offered to drive to his house,drop it off and pick up the funds.  No answer.  I offer for him to just mal me a USPS money order and will get it to his house, no answer, I asked about well, what do you want to do.  No answer.

All the whil,e I already know this individual lakcs integrity and honesty.  He isn't planning o paying up, could be someone hi jacked his call and email?  Who knows.  Either way, I gave him more then enough opportunties to honor his verbal contract.  Nadad.

But I seem to see more and more of this mentality.   


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W3DBB on February 22, 2013, 06:38:23 AM
I ran into the deadbeat buyer syndrome- or are they just scammers?- with a car I tried to sell via a print ad in Hemming's Motor News. After a telephone conversation with the prospective buyer I emailed him photos of the vehicle. He stated he wanted the vehicle and insisted on mailing me a deposit to hold the vehicle. This turned out to be a valid U.S.P.S. money order. My rookie mistake here, as I had never sold a car this way before, was to accept anything less than payment-in-full, a mistake I will never make again on any item I have for sale. No more owner-financing.

At this point the buyer presumably either a.) couldn't come up with the rest of the money, or b.) decided he was entitled to own this automobile for the amount of the deposit, which was less than 17% of the agreed-upon purchase price.  He became evasive: he didn't have a car, or his car didn't run, or his girlfriend wouldn't drive him to Pennsylvania (from Virginia) to pick up the car, or he and his girlfriend were breaking up, or his mother (who lived in the area) didn't trust him enough to lend him her car, or he didn't want to ride the bus/train/whatever. One excuse led to another.

I then graciously offered to deliver the vehicle, only a short drive really, in a roadworthy vehicle with valid registration, state inspection, and insurance. The caveat was this would only be done for full payment. Even naive I was finally beginning to suspect my 'buyer' was not all he pretended to be.

This went on for about a month at which time I became impatient and sent him two identical letters, one via standard 1st class mail and the other via registered, return-recept letter. I was finally wising-up. Both letters were- big surprise!- undeliverable which in the case of the return-receipt letter triggered a perfunctory 'investigation' by the local post office that couldn't get a signature verifying receipt. The report I got back from my local Postmaster indicated there was some suspicion this guy wasn't totally on the up-and-up, but there were no specific details.

Over the next couple of weeks I received about 20 telephone calls from the failed purchaser to my number, made from 2 or 3 different phone numbers. Since his mailing address turned out to be fraudulent I had no problem turning off my answering machine until he finally gave up. He must have thought he had a real live one on the line!

To this day, I still have that car, and the deposit. I've pretty much given up any hope trying to sell it. Lot's of people with big ideas but it seems as if none of them have any real money.


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9BB on February 22, 2013, 07:42:16 AM
When I had to do the "emailing" prompting to find out when are you in town, when are you coming or meeting me, etc.  that is when the red flags went up.  One excuse turned into another when I suspect the whole time his "mom" told him no more radios or something to that effect.  Beats me.  When I purchase something from a seller, there is frequent communication.
1.  Payment was sent out today in the mail.
2.  3-4 days later, have you received it.
3.  Once confirmed the payment is with the Seller, I ask kindly to be sent either a notice when it leaves, a tracking number, etc.


All this is very little time taken, a courteousy, etc.  And the opposite is also true. 
A guy bought something from me, told me he wants it (not "I am seriously interested" which doesn't state much), asked for my mailing address, told me when he is going to mail it.  I told him once I receive his payment will close out the posting, will send him the tracking info and likely reimburse a bit on the shipping back to him as we are splitting it and I cannot accurately estimate it with USPS or UPS until I actually have a bill.


Simple communication and honesty.


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9BB on February 22, 2013, 10:03:13 AM
Well, regardless of what type of lame excuse, lie, etc., I sold my asset to another individual that was well above board.  Some calls I retain in a file and watch for them in future dealings.  Not all forums carry the information, but I do.


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9BB on February 22, 2013, 10:15:31 AM
If someone hi jacked his call/email he needs to tend to it as this certainly isn't a good representation of one's character.  I will say it again. I stand behind each and every transaction I do, wether it is selling an item or buying one, I often give the seller the benefit of the doubt (i.e. missed some minute issue with the item, etc.).  But, I have never told someone I will buy their item and then, leave it at that.  The Seller has the right to know from the Buyer what is going on without having to hunt down and track down the Buyer, decode what is going on (is this buyer for real, etc., never providing a phone number is a big red flag).  I can find all that info as I have ways to locate it, but not worth my time, I just move on and sell it to some deserving individual.  Should they actually come back later, well, sorry Charlie, only the best tasting tuna as the commerical went.

Just hope this individual gets things in order.  As stated, haven't investigated into this deeply to determine a possible scam, hijacked call, or just an individual with no character.  Not my problem, but I have made a note for future reference.  There are way too many rip offs and scams on these swap boards so one has to be extremely cautious and careful.  Sad it comes to this, but.....sign of the times...


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9BB on March 27, 2013, 03:56:12 AM
I should have added DEAD BEAT Jerk Sellers to this posting.  I recently inquired from 8 different individuals regarding something (common to all) they listed for sale.  Responded, with a question or two since most of teh postings would say something like "looks good, works fine", with no pics. Not sure what all that means so a question or two about mods, or options.  Anyway, no one response (and no, not in the spam folder either).  Do these jerks lack common courtesy or are they just too lazy to type a response back (reply)?  I don't get it.  Do you want to sell/trade the item or not?  I think from now on, I may just relay on Ebay....I don't like it, but I certainly don't like trying to figure out if the clown has this item for sale or not.  With no response, certainly hard to determine if they even still have the item. 


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: K2GWK on March 27, 2013, 11:38:17 AM
Is it me, or does there just seem to be more and more dead beat buyers responding to postings on these swap board forums?
You know the type.  They want your item, tell you they will send you the funds and you never hear back or they just keep jacking you around for days/weeks....
My most recent experience (two in the past 3 months now) and I don't post that much stuff for sale, usually an excess item or something I bought and never really should have purchased to start with, but I recently posted a radio for sale and this KF5OFW contacts me and asks if I still have it as it is "exactly" what he is looking for.  I respond yes, still have it and he comes back with I will take it, and will be back in town on the weekend.  I said okay, I will hold it for you till then.

Well, you know the rest of the story.  I have to send "prompting" emails to find out what is going on.  First it is "won't be back in town until the weekend", then when prompted again, some mechanical problem (undefined), then when prompted again, Monday (18 Feb) is a holiday (yeah for Fed workers, banks, etc., but not for you??), then I can have my nephew pay you and you can drop it off with him, etc. etc. etc.etc.

This crap really gets old.  I offered to drive to his house,drop it off and pick up the funds.  No answer.  I offer for him to just mal me a USPS money order and will get it to his house, no answer, I asked about well, what do you want to do.  No answer.

All the whil,e I already know this individual lakcs integrity and honesty.  He isn't planning o paying up, could be someone hi jacked his call and email?  Who knows.  Either way, I gave him more then enough opportunties to honor his verbal contract.  Nadad.

But I seem to see more and more of this mentality.  

Welcome to sales. He is not obligated to buy from you. You can't force him to do anything. The best you can do is move on and look for another buyer. I sell RF and Microwave Test Equipment for a living and after a while you can tell the tire kickers from the serious buyers. Just some feedback, I may not have suggested he just mail you a USPS money order. That is a red flag to those who buy from these forums that it may be a scam. When paying with a USPS money order a buyer has no recourse if you take the money and run.


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9BB on March 27, 2013, 03:07:35 PM
Well, it is like the rudeness out of W2LG.  I did a search and found a post for an item I would like to pursue. He comes back with "it was sold".  I said thanks, would you mind updating your posting so future searching doesn't hit on your posting again. He comes back with "don't blame me".  What a rude ass.  Common courtesy to update your posting so you don't waste his or your time and it is too much trouble or, it is your fault for not memorizing his important callsign?  I think not.  Just poor practice and not using a swap board correctly (ignoring the guidelines they post and being a jerk).  It matters not one bit to me to buy your item or if it is sold.  I will sleep just as easy one way or the other...just follow thru with updating your posting(s).  Geeze...talk about lazy....


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9BB on April 03, 2013, 10:31:41 AM
I see this character or someone posing as him again, posting something for sale on another forum.  I never did see any money on my transaction, just lots of red flags...could be legit or could be not....be cautious with individuals you don't know personally. 


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: N0PQK on April 12, 2013, 10:23:50 PM
Below is a copy of the "buyers" email to me, in every case I replied and answered the questions. (I have omitted my responses to keep this comment manageable.) As a side note all but the last question was found in the original listing. 

It is now 13 April 2013 and the supposed deal is still pending with no followup.

<SNIP>

---------------

1 March 2013

An inquiry into your eHam classifieds post: Kenwood TM-331A 220 Mhz Mobile Radio

Do you still have the Kenwood 220 radio?

Please let me know..

Thanks

Tim Batt
KD0EZQ

---------------

6 March 2013

What do you want for it?

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6 March 2013

I am very interested, could I get some pictures please?

---------------

10 March 2013

I am interested in it.  I was wondering if you could hold on to it for me till the end of the month?  

---------------

17 March 2013

How do you want paid?

---------------



Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9BB on April 13, 2013, 05:04:49 PM
That is sad...typical tire kicker that wastes your time and everyone else's.....why one asks....


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: K1CJS on April 14, 2013, 05:56:40 AM
...Just some feedback, I may not have suggested he just mail you a USPS money order. That is a red flag to those who buy from these forums that it may be a scam. When paying with a USPS money order a buyer has no recourse if you take the money and run.

Not entirely.  If the amount is only 50 bucks or so, maybe, but for large amounts, the USPS takes a dim view of robbery by mail.  That's called fraud, and there are postal inspectors who are paid to investigate that very thing.  It's true that you may not get your money back, but quite a few times those people are habitual offenders and they do get caught.


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9FIB on April 23, 2013, 09:36:49 PM
I consider tire kickers and dead beats two different types. I consider myself a tire kicker in that if I see something I am interested in, I like to communicate with the seller. There are a couple of reasons for this.

One is to find out if the ad is legitimate. With all the scams going on, most often a scammer will be too eager to just dump it on me and tell me to not waste his/her time.

The second reason is that I like to negotiate a price and or shipping. If the seller tells me that I am wasting my time, then that person is probably not worth dealing with.
 
I agree a dead beat is someone who says they will make the deal and fail to do that. But then that is what they are.

Please don't confuse the 2 types of people. If you can not tolerate those who want to communicate with you, then please don't waste my time by posting an add. I look at a trading forum as an electronic swapfest. I don't see many people at a swapfest just hand over big bucks without at least some conversation about the item. The same should be true in any sales forum.

The seller should be willing to "sell" his item. Not just post it and figure the money will just show up. Ever buy a house or car or other large ticket item that way? Why should an expensive radio related item be different?


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: K1CJS on April 24, 2013, 04:41:55 AM
The one thing that annoys me with 'tire-kickers' is this:  I'll put an item up for sale with a price that I will say right on the ad as 'firm.'  I'll still get tire-kickers who'll ask me to take less.  For those that don't know it, 'firm' means the price is not negotiable!


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9FIB on April 24, 2013, 06:14:58 AM
You have a point there. That is why unless it is a price I can live with, I just keep looking.

Maybe ask for more then you want, and negotiate down to what you do want. Makes your "customer" feel like they got a deal then. Just like buying a car or a house. Another words, if you sell, be prepared to deal with a customer. If your not prepared to deal with a customer, then it makes you look like a scam as stated before.

You see I look at it from the customer end. Why should I buy from some grump too that is too lazy to take a little time to be friendly? If you have time to whine, why not take the time to be friendly? Isn't that what Amateur Radio is all about?


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: NK7Z on April 24, 2013, 07:12:47 AM
I consider tire kickers and dead beats two different types. I consider myself a tire kicker in that if I see something I am interested in, I like to communicate with the seller. There are a couple of reasons for this.

One is to find out if the ad is legitimate. With all the scams going on, most often a scammer will be too eager to just dump it on me and tell me to not waste his/her time.

The second reason is that I like to negotiate a price and or shipping. If the seller tells me that I am wasting my time, then that person is probably not worth dealing with.
 
I agree a dead beat is someone who says they will make the deal and fail to do that. But then that is what they are.

Please don't confuse the 2 types of people. If you can not tolerate those who want to communicate with you, then please don't waste my time by posting an add. I look at a trading forum as an electronic swapfest. I don't see many people at a swapfest just hand over big bucks without at least some conversation about the item. The same should be true in any sales forum.

The seller should be willing to "sell" his item. Not just post it and figure the money will just show up. Ever buy a house or car or other large ticket item that way? Why should an expensive radio related item be different?
I agree 100%, well put...  If I can't communicate with the seller, I move on, it is simple...  I want to get to know him/her just slightly, to insure no scam, no deadbeat seller, etc...  I tend to call the sellers to insure they are real...  That way I can get everything done in one call...  If an ad does say "firm" I believe them...


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: K1CJS on April 25, 2013, 10:44:17 AM
On the other hand, anyone looking for ham equipment online may already know what the going price for a rig is.  With today's computers and smart phones--and the internet, it's easy to find out.  Asking for more may cause that person to go right by your ad, no matter what you're asking and even if you're willing to negotiate.

I guess that I'm from a different mindset than you are.  I won't offer a lower price to the seller who is asking near the going price since I believe that the person knows what the rig is worth in his view--and I mean how its been treated or if it's got any quirks or other problems.  I'll simply ask if he could do any better, and if he refuses, I'll decide to move on or to buy.  

Maybe I'm a dying breed, but I consider it a form of insult to be asked to take a specific amount less than I've got it listed for.  I know what my equipment is worth and I'm honest enough to not to try and 'take' someone for more, or to waste someone's time bickering about a few dollars.  If someone gives me a call or drops me an e-mail, I'm friendly--until I'm insulted--and even then, I'm not going to bite someone's head off, I'll just either accept or refuse his offer.  I treat fellow hams the same way when I'm buying.  Hey--If that makes me a 'grump' in your book, all I can do is to say "Thank you!"  73.


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9FIB on April 26, 2013, 03:42:48 AM
I don't buy that argument. The pricing on the internet does not reflect condition or amount of use. A beat to heck barely working rig is not going to be worth the same as a pristine, well taken care of rig. So it it the customers judgment of what it is worth to them.

Again, if your insulted by a low offer, then your NOT a salesman. A salesman works at the art of negotiation. Just state that you don't negotiate then. Its your way or the highway!

That's the way it has been working at swapfests for many years. Negotiation. Give it a try! You may find it can get you the money you want, and have some fun doing it. Maybe the grumps should be the dying breed!


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: K1CJS on April 26, 2013, 05:13:04 AM
Maybe they should be the dying breed, and no, I'm no salesman--and I don't want to be.  All too many of them are money grubbing SOBs that would jyp their own mothers.  

I rather have my fun by arguing over conditions or discussing contacts made rather than arguing over ten or twenty dollars.  It seems that the only thing I agree with you on is that the pricing on the internet can't actually show you what the radio is like.  Also, I do state that I will not negotiate--by saying $xx FIRM.  73.


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9FIB on April 26, 2013, 06:08:58 AM
That's the problem in a nutshell. You consider it an argument to negotiate. I don't.

And like i said originally, if it says FIRM and I don't like it, I move on. But don't make blanket accusations because you consider it arguing. If you have a beef with an individual, that's between you two. Not all people in general.

Have fun! Lets make a deal!!!


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: K1CJS on April 27, 2013, 03:28:00 AM
I'll stand by what I said concerning most salesmen.  'Blanket' accusations?  Gee, I thought I was pretty specific.  S - A - L - E - S - M - E - N !

BTW, If one person says that he wants one price for the goods and the other still is trying to negotiate, just what do you call it if not an argument?  

"I will take XX dollars."

"Well, would you consider..."

"No, I won't go lower."

"How about..."

Sounds like an argument to me!   :D


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9FIB on April 27, 2013, 07:22:21 AM
Gee you must have forgotten what you originally posted. Was pretty "blanket" to me. Which is why I posted back. And as for the argument, only a bitter person would consider negotiation as an argument. If the shoe fits......

If you really don't want to argue, prove it by ending your anger here. I tried once to end it, but you continued. So sad for you.

Lets put the fun back in ham radio. Lets make a deal!


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: K1CJS on April 27, 2013, 08:23:49 AM
'FIB, I don't believe that you really know what anger is.  At least you're not able to tell the difference between anger and a civil conversation, which is what this was--unless you're a salesman!  Hihi.  BTW, who says I'm bitter?  Seems like only one--you.


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: NK7Z on April 27, 2013, 08:41:51 AM
Lets put the fun back in ham radio. Lets make a deal!
Too me, a lot of ham radio is trying to locate a decent deal...  However, if the person indicates in writing or verbally that they are not willing to go down in price, I either buy the item, or tell them thank you and move on...  I cease all negotiations once the words firm, (or it's ilk), enters the picture...  I assume that the person on the other end is smart enough to accept the conscienceless of their words...  If he/she says firm, then that's it, the price is firm...  

If the price is too high, then I sometimes don't even ask if the price is firm, I just move on assuming that the person erroneously believes they have "gold"...  I expect to pay up to 75% of new for an item...  I will go higher if it is in exceptional shape, but it has to be almost new, and I have to really want it...  When I sell an item, I try and get as much as possible for it, within reason...

With the advent of eBay, and on-line sales sites, the prices of equipment have flattened out across the US...  Several decades ago, I knew a fellow that would drive to the East coast, buy antique clocks for a few bucks each, drive back to California, and sell them for for a 500% markup, and get that for as many clocks as he could carry...  Then came eBay...  That ended almost instantly...  The overall affect of on-line sales sites has been to equalize the prices across the US for the most part...  It also, tends to float item price higher as an item is actually sold for what the market will withstand, not an error on the sellers part...  i.e. an item gets listed really cheap on QRZ, or here, it is gone instantly...  An item gets listed for way too much, it sits unsold...  The prices tend to center on the actual value of the item as perceived by the market involved...  All of this is to be viewed in a statistical way...  i.e. you will find exceptions, but on the whole, that is how the market now performs...

As an aside, CJS really does not sound bitter, he sounds like a normal person...  Well...  Almost normal...  :)


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: K1CJS on April 28, 2013, 08:00:22 AM
...If the price is too high, then I sometimes don't even ask if the price is firm, I just move on assuming that the person erroneously believes they have "gold"...  I expect to pay up to 75% of new for an item...  I will go higher if it is in exceptional shape, but it has to be almost new, and I have to really want it...  When I sell an item, I try and get as much as possible for it, within reason.....

I was at a hamfest once and noticed that someone had an Icom V8000 out for sale.  The price was really high for used gear, though.  I asked him about it and he told me that he used it for a couple of days, didn't like it--and the store wouldn't take it back. 

When I told him I was interested, he turned around and pulled out the box with ALL of the packing materials, supplied parts still in their sealed bags, and paperwork--AND with the BOS dated a little over two weeks previously!  He cheerfully hooked it up and showed me it was working like new, then said he didn't put the box and other stuff out because he figured that anyone who was serious would ask--and he didn't feel like dealing with 'tire kickers' (his words) that saw the packaging and wanted to try to talk him down.

Well, he didn't have to worry about them because I bought it then and there--but there were a couple of people who stopped to look once they saw the original box out!  Guess he knew what he was doing.   :D

BTW, Thank you!  Hey, I'm a ham, and we're all a little crazy, aren't we?   ::)


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9FIB on April 28, 2013, 08:25:35 AM
"There is a sucker born every minute." P.T. Barnum


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W4WXT on April 30, 2013, 01:29:24 AM
Maybe they should be the dying breed, and no, I'm no salesman--and I don't want to be.  All too many of them are money grubbing SOBs that would jyp their own mothers. 

I rather have my fun by arguing over conditions or discussing contacts made rather than arguing over ten or twenty dollars.  It seems that the only thing I agree with you on is that the pricing on the internet can't actually show you what the radio is like.  Also, I do state that I will not negotiate--by saying $xx FIRM.  73.

For some of us though, 10 or 20 dollars is more than just pocket change as you suggest :)


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: K1CJS on April 30, 2013, 04:46:42 AM
For some of us though, 10 or 20 dollars is more than just pocket change as you suggest :)

True enough, but I was referring to the arguing rather than the money.  I live paycheck to paycheck for the most part too.


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9BB on May 17, 2013, 11:25:39 AM
As of late, I have run into some real ahole sellers.  They post something, I approach them, in one case, with the exact item the individual is looking for.  Nothing, no response no email or anything.  What is their problem?

I absolutely love the losers that post something for sale and weekly, keep bringing down the price $25, $50, whatever, until when you do a search on a forum on that item, you find 10 posts from the same retard, on the same item, each a decreasing price.  Are they too lazy to respond to a potential buyer?  Are they too stupid to delete on postings when they make a new one identical to the older one? 

I am seriously thinking of just sticking with Ebay to buy or sell something.  You know how long it will be listed, you know how much you want for it, you know about what an item is worth to bid on it, so at least, you will have closure in the end, either selling or not selling your item for your minimum price, or buying something for the price you set to purchase it under.  Much less hassle.  There also is some protection off Ebay whereas on a swap board, who knows....


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: WI8P on May 18, 2013, 04:28:27 PM
"There is a sucker born every minute." P.T. Barnum

Do some research and you'll find P.T. never said that.   :o

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_sucker_born_every_minute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_sucker_born_every_minute)


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9FIB on May 18, 2013, 06:12:31 PM
"There's a sucker born every minute" is a phrase often credited to P. T. Barnum (1810–1891), an American showman. Wiki

Good enough for me even if it is not totally correct.


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9BB on June 18, 2013, 07:06:40 PM
Believe that KF5OFW callsign was a hacked callsign, which seems to be the rage these days.


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9BB on August 04, 2013, 12:12:20 PM
Also love the wheeler dealers on the swap boards that post stuff for sale.  I recently encountered one of this characters advertising something, I asked for a pic as the one he had on the posting was nearly impossible to see any real detail.  After I waited a day or two for the pics to show, I told him I would take the item, went and got a USPS money order from the USPS 15 miles away, get back and he informs me someone else just bought it.  His term was "someone else dropped the money"....

Likely, someone closer, someone offered a bit more, etc.  Word doesn't mean much these days.  His callsign is on my list to avoid in the future.  That list seems to be growing unfortunately. I stand behind my dealings, and if I commit to a sale, and I find out my price was a bit low, too bad for me.  My word is worth more then a few extra bucks...


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: K1CJS on August 05, 2013, 05:22:54 AM
How about the seller who will agree on a price and make the deal with you.  You'll send the payment, and a few days later, you get your payment back with a note that someone else offered him more money--so he sold it to that person.  It's happened to me--and to others too, I'll bet.


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: KA2CDT on August 05, 2013, 12:07:41 PM
It happened to me as well. I sent the seller a paypal payment for a old TS-120. After 2 weeks I had not received the radio so I emailed him. The next day he refunded my payment via paypal with a one word explanation,"I decided to keep it". This is after full payment was made!


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9BB on August 05, 2013, 03:43:02 PM
Seems I always hit on the wheeler dealers that look for that extra buck rather then their word...this last guy was out of Mount Olive, AL.  He posts stuff continually.  I really don't like dealing with these characters because one more dollar, is one more dollar.  I sold something not long ago and found out after I committed to the sale that was selling the item a bit cheaper then I should have.  I shipped it and took the "loss". My  bad.  That isn't something I pass along to a buyer....
anyway, character and honesty seem to be things of the past...just look at our current political administration....


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: K1CJS on August 06, 2013, 08:21:04 AM
...anyway, character and honesty seem to be things of the past...just look at our current political administration....

Oh boy, did you get THAT right!


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9BB on August 06, 2013, 09:48:13 AM
This same loser (in my book) posted something on another swap forum, I sent a message inquiring, and never bothered to respond.  Then I realized it was the same scammer as before (my mistake).  Glad I didn' t happen to do business with this character...on my running spreadsheet of names/callsigns to avoid...


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: WB2EOD on August 07, 2013, 06:57:20 PM
As a buyer,
I try not to mislead the seller.  If I am 'just curious", I say so.  If I am interested and we come to terms, I pay.

As a seller,
I too find pseudo-buyers annoying. This is one of the reasons I prefer PayPal (in spite of the fee).  It is IMMEDIATE, no waiting for snail mail money orders.  If you want what I am selling, then PayPal the money and I will ship.
Anything I hope to sell I pack up right after taking the photos.  That way, I can just slap the label on the package and get it out quickly.
When the goods are sold, I mark the ad as sold or take it down.
73
WB2EOD


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9BB on September 08, 2013, 10:18:27 AM
I do the same.  In a recent bad experience for me, I sold a less than 1 year old radio I had been using nearly daily, without any indication of issue.  The character hounded me to ship it ahead of the funds, which I did but I did get the funds 4 days later.  He indicated he received the item, worked great, etc.

Some time after that he decides to sell it, but then decides to keep it (red flag).  First telling me the radio "just isn't for him", then decides to keep it.  Hmm.
About a week more after that he tells me it "does'nt work right".  WHatever that means. Tells me his "friends" say he audio is low.  Settings issue.  He decides to send it to a repair shop and then tells meI need to pay for the repair.  What repair?  What shop?  I never sanctioned that.  If he did something to it, I would have it sent to a repair shop (if I am going to be involved) that I direct.

I usually will take an item back within 24-48 hours but after a week or two, no.  There is too many possibilities the Buyer damaged an item and now wants his money back to buy another, sending me the damaged unit back.  Sorry, I don't operate that way.

I did send the Buyer money towards 1 hours labor, and stated that is all I was going to do.  He agreed to that, but I suspect he will try to milk me again.

Sometimes, I really wish we had dealers around I could use as they are more set up for these types of characters then I am. 

Ebay from now on.


Title: RE: Dead Beat Buyers
Post by: W9BB on December 22, 2013, 11:49:50 AM
LMFAO  -  Someone hijacking KF5OFW, yet, once again, responding to a post I have on QRZ.  Obviously not the owner of the call.